How to Build a Chain Drive Differential for the - Mini Baja Bug!! - Part 5

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  • @rcclassiccrawlers4368
    @rcclassiccrawlers4368 10 місяців тому +45

    It amazes me how far you’ve come in the technical part of your builds in the last few years. And yes I’m sure the equipment helps a bunch but still, you’re the one that’s operating them. Great job!! 👍👏

    • @mlsargent51
      @mlsargent51 10 місяців тому +2

      Funny, I was just thinking the same thing, how far his machinist skills have come!

  • @kossmonaut
    @kossmonaut 10 місяців тому +6

    this guy deserves a fronius sponsorship, ive seen people with much less subs get set up with some amazing gear

  • @spdy3926
    @spdy3926 10 місяців тому +18

    I'm a machinist by trade, and I have really enjoyed you incorporating the machine tools into recent builds. Great content. Those machine tools can make anything you can dream up 👍 (and I see you are learning this)

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 10 місяців тому

      It would be cool to see your works since you brought it up.

  • @TheCidiot
    @TheCidiot 10 місяців тому +1

    That's the nicest looking chain drive diff I've ever seen anyone make.

  • @WildXNatur
    @WildXNatur 10 місяців тому +11

    A trick I saw when welding Aluminum is to use a piece of ceramic tile between your main piece and your bench or vise. It keeps the heat from pulling to the steel.

  • @thomaspryor8202
    @thomaspryor8202 10 місяців тому +1

    Diffs work with gear oil. A bung and a few cooling fins and you're golden.

  • @oilio5465
    @oilio5465 10 місяців тому +2

    Preheating aluminium trick.
    If you block the air holes on your blow tourch. You can leave a black carbon soot layer on the aluminium .
    Then heat as usual. When the black carbon disapeares. It is at ideal welding temperature

  • @martyn5799
    @martyn5799 10 місяців тому +16

    Chris mate what you do seems to get better and better every single video.What you do build and create out of your little shed and what you work with is truly amazing im in literal awe.Keep the content coming please dude 💯💯🔥🔥👍👍😁😁

  • @EdwardMurray06
    @EdwardMurray06 10 місяців тому +10

    That’s a sharp looking differential. You combined that open dif and chain drive perfectly.
    Are you sure it won’t hold oil? You could easily machine in o-ring grooves to the base plates. Grease may work good enough but I think oil would be much better.
    Either way it looks great. 👍

    • @jakeminogue
      @jakeminogue 10 місяців тому +1

      How is this limited slip?

    • @AMetalWorks
      @AMetalWorks 10 місяців тому

      That's an "open diff" not limited slip. Limited slip has clutches in the diff that help turn botb tires at the same rate. When turning the clutches break free and let them spin at different rates. Turning brakes need to be run on an open diff. However. This setup makes me wonder if he could install a selectable locker line an OX locker or an ARB and get the best of both worlds. In a project like this the cost doesn't make since. But it definitely got my brain going. Especially since I have two ARB lockers sitting in my shop.

    • @EdwardMurray06
      @EdwardMurray06 10 місяців тому

      @@AMetalWorks I stand corrected. I’ve never fully understood differentials. Like how limited slip would work but clutches make sense.

    • @EdwardMurray06
      @EdwardMurray06 10 місяців тому

      @@jakeminogue My mistake

    • @GaisaSanktejo
      @GaisaSanktejo 10 місяців тому

      The outer assembly doesn't move against itself, so he could do the same with a chemical/liquid gasket

  • @garagevorallem5673
    @garagevorallem5673 10 місяців тому

    100 лет такие делаем, как будто что-то новое придумал. Давно смотрю твои видео, но такой шляпы от тебя не ожидал

  • @jonathantholen919
    @jonathantholen919 10 місяців тому +1

    DUDE AWESOME!!!!! No knock at all..... differential build is so you can "tractor brake", right? Can't help but think short wheelbase gonna be to quick of movement for application. Sooo look forward watching to see how it is. Thank you for awesome builds!!!!!

  • @barharborbasher427
    @barharborbasher427 10 місяців тому +1

    It would work excellent as a center diff as well. It would be a pretty ideal set up for a mid engine side output.

  • @aarongrabowski3775
    @aarongrabowski3775 10 місяців тому +1

    You a a damn good machinist Chris. I like seeing you come up with your own design’s rather than just buying something that is pre made. Keeps you thinking outside the box. You have become one of my favorite channels. Thanks for all the great video’s.

  • @AMetalWorks
    @AMetalWorks 10 місяців тому +5

    Your fit and finish/attention to deal is getting MUCH better. Plus this diff idea is awesome. It gives me some ideas for my own projects.
    Btw the way. Grease will work absolutely perfectly in this setup. The reason diffs need oil is to lube the ring/pinion gears, pinion bearings, and axle carrier bearings. You don't have any of those requirements in this setup. You carrier bearings are sealed, you don't have a pinion at all, and your ring gear is a sprocket. The spider gears technically only spin when the tired are spinning at different rates. They have a lot less rotational action than those other parts would. Plus you can pack the hell out of them with grease, like a wheel bearing. The only suggestion I have is an o-ring or RTV on the two halves of the diff cover. Even grease will start spitting out eventually.
    Keep up the progress man. I really enjoy watching your growth.
    One last thing. Seriously consider cutting the back put of that baja body like a class 5 unlimited baja bug. That will hive you WAY more room for you to move your seat back. That will help with overall packaging for steering too. You might want to consider going 100% hand controls too. Like an old school honda pilot.

    • @piratius
      @piratius 10 місяців тому

      I know this is at a totally different scale, but the Traxxas RC cars run a sealed differential with silicone grease inside, then an external (unlubricated) ring & pinion. I know they're not subjected to nearly the same forces as this differential will be, but if he can find a pint or two of *heavy* weight silicone grease (500,000 weight? Million weight?), he'd have a bit of a viscous locker in the unit - no clue how it reacts if it gets hot though - it may thin out at the higher temps this differential will see!

  • @monsieurbacteria2314
    @monsieurbacteria2314 10 місяців тому +1

    Once again, I'm very impressed with the quality of both the video work and the machining and welding you do. Great work!

  • @realnutteruk1
    @realnutteruk1 10 місяців тому +17

    I'm not sure anyone has said this yet, but in the UK we call differential braking Fiddle Brakes... mostly used on tractors and trials cars... trials cars are maybe a sport that doesn't happen much outside the UK but well worth investigating!

    • @jammerlupardi8782
      @jammerlupardi8782 10 місяців тому +1

      It’s got nothing to do with braking, it’s about power going to the wheel with least resistance…no offense

    • @realnutteruk1
      @realnutteruk1 10 місяців тому +1

      @@jammerlupardi8782 Um... I think you're wrong... The ability to brake one wheel means you can either stop the wheel with less traction spinning away all your power, or in a situation where both wheels have pretty much the same grip, you can slow the inner wheel and turn more quickly.... This is what torque verctoring om modern EVs is all about.

    • @flynncoskerie2723
      @flynncoskerie2723 10 місяців тому +1

      Same here in New Zealand common in the trial truck/off-roading seen always been known as fiddle brakes

    • @GaisaSanktejo
      @GaisaSanktejo 10 місяців тому +1

      Heh, I learned something new today (and I'm a brit!)

    • @codyjones4280
      @codyjones4280 10 місяців тому +1

      We call em cutting cutting brakes out here on the west coast.

  • @larrydavidson3402
    @larrydavidson3402 10 місяців тому +5

    Great job on the differential Chris. Your machinist skills just keep getting better and better.

  • @williamjones747
    @williamjones747 10 місяців тому +1

    The idea of that diff is awesome, I have rebuilt a few over the years and have had to a few times because of the wrong gear oil being used. I'm sure if you machined some o-ring grooves where the diffential mounts to the housing it would work fine for you.

  • @boltonky
    @boltonky 10 місяців тому

    Awesome to see how far you have come over the years, i went out and brought a bunch of machines then realised i didn't buy tooling so now i keep getting stuck paying people to fix/make stuff i can't.
    Keep it up and keep enjoying yourself

  • @joshblainer2652
    @joshblainer2652 10 місяців тому +1

    Your very talented, the stuff you build is awesome

  • @brandontobias4341
    @brandontobias4341 10 місяців тому +2

    Love your videos and your builds, not only the way you film but the soundtrack as well, what ever music you use at 3:00 is all I hear when watching your videos, the combo just makes it that much better. THANK YOU FOR THE CONTENT BRO!!!

  • @stevenrennie2612
    @stevenrennie2612 10 місяців тому

    It’s amazing how u have progressed with fabrication and engineering

  • @SadPuppySoup
    @SadPuppySoup 10 місяців тому

    You know sometimes I hear and understand what you want to accomplish but can't see how your going to make it work then as I watch I start to see it all come together and somehow it just works, I'm a little jealous, I know in my head what I want to make but just can't make it work. Your chain drive diff is something I've wanted to figure out for a couple of years, wonderful job. Go power sports mite want to by that design, that is a game changer for go karters.

  • @carlstrohm3785
    @carlstrohm3785 10 місяців тому

    You can put oil in that differential. Machine grooves and use O-rings between the diff and your tophat at both ends. One plug can be used to drain and fill it. Just weld an equal weight on the opposite side for balance. 👍

  • @joshc6080
    @joshc6080 10 місяців тому +1

    You are the real deal man! Very talented 👏

  • @garycollins5434
    @garycollins5434 10 місяців тому

    Awesome setup especially with you doing the cutter brakes that you are going to install in it

  • @larryperdue508
    @larryperdue508 10 місяців тому

    Just a little tip I saw on U-TUBE when welding aluminum run your welder on 200 amps DC and mix in a little helium and get try it on scrape. 😊

  • @whitecompany18
    @whitecompany18 10 місяців тому +1

    Have a look into "legends" race cars, they use Yamaha bike engines with a driveshaft coupler on the front sprocket then you can use small car rear axles direct to the bike engine.
    Plus I bet you could make a beast of a legends race👍

    • @whitecompany18
      @whitecompany18 10 місяців тому

      *beast of a legends race car.👍

  • @neilkirkes
    @neilkirkes 10 місяців тому +3

    Awesome work! Can’t make it any better than that.

  • @jasonhovey815
    @jasonhovey815 10 місяців тому

    Great job only recommendation is I would’ve put a O-ring groove in the housing between the differential. And the other thing is some type of breather.

  • @jefferyallison9140
    @jefferyallison9140 10 місяців тому +1

    Chris, this may be your best work yet! And I thought you would have a tuff time beating the fact that you built your own lathe from scratch years ago! Great work! You might consider adding a large o-ring to help seal up the housing. Awesome first video of the year!

  • @davidspilman531
    @davidspilman531 10 місяців тому

    I’m Glad I found your Channel years ago your such a great Machinist I don’t remember how many times I’ve said this I really enjoy watching make pieces of art and they work when your done !! You need to have some kind of a give away on murch one of your projects and spend so much for a chance to win one that would get you more money to build more projects also !! Just keep up the Great work you do on your Channel Thank you

  • @TRabbit1970
    @TRabbit1970 10 місяців тому +2

    Ever tried upping the frequency rather than amperage? Much tighter arc for better control, and much deeper heating locally for a given amperage.

    • @jeffburmaster5306
      @jeffburmaster5306 10 місяців тому +1

      200 HERTZ will do better for ya if your machine will go that high.

    • @alessiocarlevaro6934
      @alessiocarlevaro6934 10 місяців тому

      @@jeffburmaster5306 spotted the steve morris fan lol

  • @suntzu6122
    @suntzu6122 5 місяців тому

    That lathe is equal parts incredible and terrifying.

  • @jimhowell4937
    @jimhowell4937 10 місяців тому

    Fantastic job. Suggest for your next project build a long travel, high speed Tank tracked vehicle. Look up Ripsaw. And you’ll still be able to use chain drive.

  • @blobcsgo7190
    @blobcsgo7190 10 місяців тому

    you make it look easy. Custom sprocket mounts and even bearings are a pain in the butt and you have to be very precise. Nice work dude!

  • @tobycrystal
    @tobycrystal 10 місяців тому

    Agreed great work but to your concern of leakage you could add oring grooves between the diff and housing as well as between the small side and diff

  • @cmtfarms9777
    @cmtfarms9777 10 місяців тому

    Hey if you want to use grease i recommend john deere corn head gear box grease it's from really thick to thin and back to thick so it can lube all components with out leaking out of the gear box.

  • @mikemchaney1003
    @mikemchaney1003 10 місяців тому

    Don't worry about a grease fitting. Use a pack of CV axle grease. Pack it all and then bolt your housing on. You won't need to keep adding grease. Pack it once and go.

  • @BarnOwlProject
    @BarnOwlProject 10 місяців тому +1

    My man makes his own pillow block and flange bearings. Chris....you're becoming unstoppable.

  • @discipleoftheword1785
    @discipleoftheword1785 10 місяців тому

    3:27 That annular cutter is awesome!!

  • @htmmotoring
    @htmmotoring 10 місяців тому

    Dudee that hole saw at the beggining its just beautifull

    • @michaelmeck6441
      @michaelmeck6441 10 місяців тому

      It's called an annular cutter. Much like a hole saw, but extremely precise, and for metal only

  • @Shadow0fd3ath24
    @Shadow0fd3ath24 10 місяців тому

    been wanting to do a motorcycle powered cart so this is awesome as an idea

  • @mrutherford8590
    @mrutherford8590 10 місяців тому

    You’re really good at making parts

  • @BraxxJuventa
    @BraxxJuventa 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for filming Chris. 😁👍🏼

  • @michaelgray8986
    @michaelgray8986 10 місяців тому

    Use a thin gasket material on the side where the differential bolts up and turn an internal o-ring groove on the other end and you can use gear oil....

  • @Ratkill9000
    @Ratkill9000 10 місяців тому +1

    A differential is under rated for these and other buggies. You get a hold of an older Miata with torsen limited slip and that could be a huge advantage, especially off roading.

  • @neilmchardy9061
    @neilmchardy9061 10 місяців тому

    For grease use cv joint grease (molybdenum disulphide) but mix it with hypoid gear oil to make it a wee bit thinner.

  • @chrisg9050
    @chrisg9050 10 місяців тому

    Your machining skills are 👌

  • @kevinsellsit5584
    @kevinsellsit5584 10 місяців тому

    Nice! I would recommend a tiny pipe plug opposite the grease fitting to let air out when you pump grease in. Your only leaks are between the bearing and housing and without a vent you could break the welds when you are putting the grease in. Don't overfill it with grease because it will need enough air in there to compensate for expansion when hot.

  • @TimberTrainer
    @TimberTrainer 10 місяців тому

    Grease should work great for the diff gears. Most rear end friction is from the ring and pinion that yours doesn't have. A small leak onto the sprocket and chain isn't bad either. Just make sure to keep any lube off your brakes.

  • @bjfishing9046
    @bjfishing9046 10 місяців тому

    You should be able to run oil in that. The cv axles retain the seals. As long as you can create a sealing surface between the diff and the aluminum it should work fine.

  • @BlackAndBlueGarage
    @BlackAndBlueGarage 10 місяців тому +2

    Awesome! I'm doing diff steering on a rock crawler this year. Hoping it works as good as I imagine.

    • @martyn5799
      @martyn5799 10 місяців тому +2

      I've just subscribed to your channel my friend I'll check it out once I've watched Chris do his incredible work.

    • @BlackAndBlueGarage
      @BlackAndBlueGarage 10 місяців тому

      @@martyn5799 I'll never be as cool as Chris 😎

  • @austalien1
    @austalien1 10 місяців тому +6

    firstly happy new year Chris 🎉🎊 secondly I am totally blown away by your ability to build these amazing things out of basic scrap metal in your back yard. I hope this year goes very well for you.

  • @jaredbudzinski8434
    @jaredbudzinski8434 10 місяців тому

    Now this is some of your best work by far. I love seeing the growth over the last few years!

  • @spdy3926
    @spdy3926 10 місяців тому

    OMG this differential build is glorious! Thanx Chris. Good job man.

  • @jmumm422
    @jmumm422 10 місяців тому

    This diff is a thing of beauty

  • @leehuntley189
    @leehuntley189 10 місяців тому

    Chris look at redline shockproof diff lube! It's really thick but not as thick as grease! Alot of racers use it especially in 4wd transfer cases!

  • @Skiridr22
    @Skiridr22 10 місяців тому

    Next time you build one with seals so you can run oil in it, that’s a vary creative idea for that setup

  • @olivernice8291
    @olivernice8291 10 місяців тому

    Beautiful craftsmanship. Another interesting video thank you

  • @Roger-hq1yt
    @Roger-hq1yt 10 місяців тому

    V.neat indeed, youve come long way from the Crude go karts you used to build.

  • @stephencarr7173
    @stephencarr7173 5 місяців тому

    Very nice work. So nice that I would love to have one just like it if you ever build them for sale.👍

  • @paulwatts905
    @paulwatts905 10 місяців тому

    Wow , amazing quality engineering

  • @Goesinya69
    @Goesinya69 10 місяців тому

    I was dumbfounded to see that there was almost zero runout on that diff! Crazy!

  • @aserta
    @aserta 10 місяців тому

    You should get yourself a small bottled gas oven or barbecue (like the small ones you use for camping) so you can chuck in those parts before welding. We have our dedicated induction oven in our welding area, but those require proper cabling to work right. That said, they're a huge difference to welding aluminium and cast iron.

  • @KiloMike88
    @KiloMike88 10 місяців тому

    Double check how you have your seals set up, looks like you have sealed bearings and then also added the stock seal in addition to that. The gear oil will find its way down the splines and to that space between the seal and bearing and potentially leak between the bearing and its seat on the diff, looked like a slip fit. If it’s a good seal, when the diff heats up it’ll pressurize itself and increase the potential for leaking.

  • @davidmarion9178
    @davidmarion9178 10 місяців тому

    For got to add. If you put the brake discs on wheel carriers if axles break you will still have brakes

  • @joshopfermann5556
    @joshopfermann5556 10 місяців тому +1

    Packing it with grease may help it be more of a limited slip

  • @JamesNoar
    @JamesNoar 10 місяців тому

    if you wanna do oil cut out a gasket for the diff and great content man keep it up

  • @mickfbr
    @mickfbr 10 місяців тому

    Love your work brother 🙏, keep up the push to extending your skillset.

  • @kristurner757
    @kristurner757 10 місяців тому

    Awesome creativity!!! Keep up the good work.

  • @difficultkunt4050
    @difficultkunt4050 10 місяців тому +1

    Chris has obviously done a weekend metal course to be this good..😂
    Happy New year friend.👍

  • @robert5
    @robert5 10 місяців тому +1

    Next time use subaru R160 center diff. Parts I bought: 2004 Subaru outback 160 5 bolt Diff - 4.44 viscous limited slip 59 bucks from u-pull yard. The Subaru factory green inner CV cups accept RZR XP1000 axle spider & balls. Here are the Polaris axles that should work including the exact one I bought: 1333944 - rear axle - uses a 3235777 center axle - outer cv joint is 3236155. 1333439 - rear axle - uses a 3235777 center axle- outer cv joint is not 3236155 - this is the axle I bought.

  • @bobmendel101
    @bobmendel101 10 місяців тому

    Happy New Year to you your family and all your subscribers.

  • @josealmeida8731
    @josealmeida8731 10 місяців тому

    New year, new ideas.

  • @romanmussa3895
    @romanmussa3895 10 місяців тому

    I would use the Dirt Tricks Dirtbike sprocket for that diff. Superior over those cast sprockets. See them break teeth all the time where I don’t with the dirt tricks ones

  • @Fantaman900
    @Fantaman900 10 місяців тому

    The differential housings between different vehicles are very different but inside it pretty much the same thing. So you can do the same conversion thing with almost all scrap/cheap differentials you find.

  • @MRR-qv3bw
    @MRR-qv3bw 10 місяців тому

    @17:33 I would cut a groove like you did for your c clip where your diff bolts together and find an o ring to fit so you can run fluid! I think it'll work and you are more than capable with skill and tools you have on hand! Worst case scenario YOU END USING GREASE😜

  • @GaisaSanktejo
    @GaisaSanktejo 10 місяців тому +3

    Fantastic work and HAPPY NEW YEAR Chris!
    Keep up the good work, that final result looks exactly how I believed you were going to recreate it after seeing you pull that diff from its old housing!
    If you choose to use fluid in that housing rather than grease, I'm sure you could cut grooves for o-rings and the like and/or use a liquid gasket.
    Either way, love what you're doing man, very innovative!

  • @BeaterJeep
    @BeaterJeep 10 місяців тому

    lol the euros do this with a coffee can and Miata diffs 🤣🤣 over-engineering is a great art!!

  • @davidmarion9178
    @davidmarion9178 10 місяців тому

    If you machined for o-rings .Yuo could then use diff oil and then you could put in a lsd . Great channel. P.S. I use a hot plate to get thick metal hot for welding. Again great channel.

  • @djo_man
    @djo_man 10 місяців тому

    Here's a challenge; try making floating brake discs, and hardmount the calipers.

  • @myurcek05
    @myurcek05 10 місяців тому

    Impressive build!!!

  • @jamesbryant7355
    @jamesbryant7355 10 місяців тому

    May be able to make gasket for between the two surfaces then fill it full of oil in stead of grease oil would spin easier also

  • @tomtippelaar6186
    @tomtippelaar6186 10 місяців тому

    Hee man great project, when watching ad 5:00 making a chamfer. You could just put your insert on somewhat 45degree en pus against it. its in a 4 jaw so it wont come out no matter what.

  • @bryduhbikeguy
    @bryduhbikeguy 10 місяців тому

    That's awesome work Chris.You may consider machining sleeves that slide over the cv, where the axle goes into the diff. ,and screw it on so you can carry an extra axle for trail repairs instead of welding.Whatever you do,it'll be great.
    Have a Happy,and Safe New Year.

  • @sammylisasmith2104
    @sammylisasmith2104 10 місяців тому

    You do great work thanks for your videos

  • @Aleks_Z
    @Aleks_Z 10 місяців тому

    I'd try filling diff with oil first. Maybe a groove in aluminium for o-ring on sprocket side and chamfer on smaller side to fit o-ri g as well. Grease will lubricate gears, but you are expecting it to melt down ebough to lubricate axles on which gears ride. Or you could try using silicone to prevent leaks.
    Great job nonetheless

  • @JBLPL
    @JBLPL 10 місяців тому

    All the best in new year 😎

  • @ericorange6662
    @ericorange6662 10 місяців тому

    If you weld the inside first on the rolled aluminum sheet. It will deform less when you weld the outside

  • @martyn5799
    @martyn5799 10 місяців тому

    Happy nye to firstly the man himself Mr Chris welding lol and all his subscribers,🎉🎉😅😅

  • @tedavery1
    @tedavery1 10 місяців тому

    For your differential, find a Castrol distributor and buy a tube of Pyroplex Blue #1 grease. It's an extreme use grease that's commonly used in mining, semis, construction equipment, and other heavy equipment. #1 is the designation for winter weight (thinner). It's also hydro activated. That means that it is very resistant to washout if there is water intrusion. Should fill your need.

  • @john89581
    @john89581 10 місяців тому

    if you want to make it oil tight you will have to cut a grove in the case where it meets the diff and make a custom O-ring out of rubber

  • @stevenmccrickard1401
    @stevenmccrickard1401 10 місяців тому +1

    New Sub, thanks for the content. I found your video interesting, informative and entertaining. I look forward to viewing more from your channel.

  • @abremvathakkattel8805
    @abremvathakkattel8805 10 місяців тому

    Use grease mixed with oil. That is what old royal Enfield gearboxes used as lubricatnt since they don't have proper oil seals. Grease might get cacked to the casings.

  • @Gixie-R
    @Gixie-R 10 місяців тому

    Happy New Year to you and your family. The old British A series mini cooper engine has a narrow diff built into the gear box Chris. Much narrower than the mazda diff.

  • @MaNNeRz91
    @MaNNeRz91 10 місяців тому

    If youre using grease you should mix a tiny bit of some oil with a good cold temperature viscosity. Will keeo the grease moving into places it needs to be. I do the same with my driveshaft cv's. it works great until a gaiter splits 😂😂

  • @Toolingabout
    @Toolingabout 10 місяців тому

    Grease should be no problem in there. Ring and pinion, carrier bearings, and pinion bearings are what really need good lubrication but you’ve eliminated all that, the spider gears should be turning a very minimal amount and some nice thick grease might even give you a bit of “viscous coupling” LSD action.

  • @davidowen888
    @davidowen888 10 місяців тому

    Nice machine work Chris 👌

  • @aserta
    @aserta 10 місяців тому

    So you get a perfect cylinder with your roller, trim it to the right diameter, tack the two outside points and the center of the line to be welded and chuck it back into the roller. Roll it a couple of times and you should have a perfect cylinder. The tacks should be small, but if you can't get them clean, just file them away to flat.