My state hunting program offered incentives for us to reforest fields, so I'm planting 1500 trees on 5 acres and will be using this method. Glad to see I may be able to finish in a couple days like I had hoped. Thanks for the video.
@@JCsBees I have a few crab apples I'm including in it because I already have saplings from all the trees I have on my property, but was limited to what my local soil and water department hard available. It's an even split between Red Oak, White Oak, Black Walnut, Eastern White Pine, and Shagbark Hickory. Also ordered myself some pawpaw and plum trees so I can start my own little orchard :)
In my experience planting trees in southern Ontario,deer,rabbits and mice take quite a toll on the trees.Girdling from mice and rabbits from the bottom,deer browse from the top in winter.I use 3 or 4 inch septic tile plastic pipe once the trees get established,and tree guards until that point.You can't save them all,but this really cuts down on mortality.Watch nursery and farm auctions for cheap supplies.Good luck.the end product is fabulous.
I am amazed at how thoroughly they(cattle) clear land, everything is eaten except for stuff about a foot or closer to any trees, small trees and shrubs usually are knocked down after being used as rubbing posts lol. Cattle are very interesting sorta like a giant goat. My friend moves them around as well no need to let stuff become overgrazed and muddy. Let me know if you hear anything on those root tree saplings. I will let you know how it goes with moving those supers
Thank you for your video. I buy a lot of trees from Arbor Day foundation and it's very time consuming to plant. It's even more time consuming to decide where to put them. I was concerned I could only use a dibble bar if I had pre-tilled the ground, but if you find success planting like this, that is encouraging.
roots that long would be best cut (take off 1/3 to 1/2). This will ensure straight roots, quick planting and it will result in strong root growth very quickly
Jason, thanks for the info. I will be placing an order this week. Hope everything going well for you I will keep in touch, have you caught any swarms as of yet, I have a few traps out and nothing thus far, let me know how you do on tat front and thanks again.
+MUDSWAT: In this way you can only achieve rapidity when you have to plant a considered quantity of trees, the best way is to make a hole wider and deeper to throw before 15 centimeters of river sand (washed sand) then throw 10 centimeters of normal soil and plant The tree, the river sand extracts the humidity around it and the tree feeds on it, that way more time can pass between the irrigations. Greetings from Madrid Spain.
How do you think that strategy will work against the deer? Where were you able to get the starters, roots, trees? Any idea how much they were? Any turkey where you are, get one this year? I am in central OH and the deer on my land seem to eat anything and everything especially in the winter when food gets scarce, I would really like to get some hardwoods and cedars going on my place but the deer are scaring me off, don't want to fence the trees I would like to do something similar to what your doing. Thanks great stuff
hairbackglow I think it will help. It can't hurt. The land owner does not allow hunting so it;s over run with wildlife. Time will tell. I think they came from Michigan. I will try to find out for you. She had $289 in all 2600 trees. I thought she got a great deal. Where in central Ohio are you? I am just outside of Utica. Have you heard of Utica?
By not mowing, planting is more difficult ensures cover for especially rabbits for all hours of the day and night to feed on the bark. More barren open field allows much easier planting, especially in rows and allows birds of prey open viewing, day (hawks), night (owls). Deer also will be encouraged to use the area more often if cover is available. Cover or not, once found as an easy food source, animals will utilize it.
I have no problem with non hunting either it just affects the whole area esp when someone has lots of land. Farm raised turkey's sounds cool, are they the white types? Do you pen the chickens and turkeys? Any problems with predators? Sounds like you have some very exciting and interesting things going on, appreciate you putting learned info out for the rest of us. Quick bee question, how can I get bees to move brood out of a box? I left some honey supers on last season and they moved up into them during the winter and the boxes a re full of brood, I moved the boxes to the bottom of my hive stack but would like to put them back on for the nectar flow if possible. Any ideas? I was thinking making sure the queen is above those boxes and putting on an excluder. What are your thoughts?
hairbackglow Yes I would suggest you find the queen then move the supers above the excluder. Once all the brood hatches then should be good to go. The turkeys I got are 65% white meat but as far as their colors they are not white. They are dark colors. They will be pinned in chicken tractor. If your not sure what that is I will explain. It's a cage that is 10'x10' but only 2' tall. It has heavy duty chicken wire covering the sides and the top is covered with metal roofing. The tractor is moved daily to fresh grass. So basically I will move it 10 foot everyday. The turkeys take 4 months to raise and the chicken will reach 6-7 pounds in only 8 weeks. I am really getting into meat without anitboitic and growth hormones. I believe that stuff is killing us. The meat to eat is organic. No chemical.
Permaculture Prepper Well to be honest I never asked if she had soil tested first but no I did not amend the soil at all. This was apart of some state program and I am really not sure if a soil test is necessary. She wanted me to plant them as if they just grew naturally. Not in row or in groves but split up and scattered everywhere. My back is glad I am done! lol
I will try that this week with the hive and see how it goes. How do they get the turkey to have more white meat? I love nature as well, sitting up high in a tree stand is and awesome way to experience it(hunting or not) I sit quite a bit and just watch nature unfold in front of me it is awesome. I hunt because I choose to provide and harvest from nature as much as I can, venison and elk are very healthy and taste great if prepared correctly. I find it funny to have beef for slaughter but not allow hunting, I am not judging just noticing...what type beef is it, my friend has 6 on his property now, and man are they some huge creatures...
hairbackglow The cattle herd is a mixture. Some are hereford angus mix and some are black angus and a few red angus. I practice intensive grazing with them. This is where they are moved daily to a new area. I will take a pasture and split it into a bunch of areas called paddocks. The herd spend one day in each paddocks. This does several things. The grass is able to grow back faster, it also help me manage manure distribution. I really enjoy it. The cattle belong to a commercial dealer in Ashland, OH. They are sold at a health food store in Cleveland and people he knows. I agree it's weird to slaughter beef but allow not hunting. The land owner is probably 70 years old. She is a firm believer that for a farm to work properly you need wildlife to help balance things out. I agree with that but the deer are always breaking fence wires. I wouldn't mind her allowing at least 1 or 2 people hunting. The farm is 200 acres. We have everything up there. I see coyote all the time same with fox. They do not bother the herd mostly because I only finish the beef. So I do not have any young calves. You are right the cattle get very big. I didn't have any experience when I started. They scared the hell out of me. Moving them daily I got to where all I had to do is call them. They will follow me like school kids following the teacher. Over time I have got much better with them. Now the hardest part is sending them to slaughter after spending everyday with them it's hard not to bond with a few. Especially the leader of the herd. But at least I know what I am eating and that us healthy happy cattle. Not sure if you know this but grass fed beef have Omega 3's & 6. Grain fed do not. A cow can eat grass it's whole life and if it's fed grain for 80 days before butchering all of the benefits of the grass are destroyed. Not trying to preach just extremely passionate about it.
+GmGarlo The tool was borrowed from our local extension office. To take a guess a diddle is waist tall and the wedge is 2" maybe 3" wide at the widest. I used a spud bar as a diddle the other day and it worked well.
No planting tool is perfect for every kind of ground/stock/contract. I've planted with hoedads, shovels, dibbles, planting bars and augers, although I, personally, always prefered a hoedad.
Yes, I believe your NE of me maybe an hour or so, on the other side of New Concord? I am in Reynoldsburg. Good to know maybe next year I can get some swarm lure from you? People who own land and do not allow "any" hunting really mess up an area in no time. Having tasty success keeping the deer in check on my property bwahahahaha..any turkeys up your way? Do you sell bees, nucs etc? How long have you been into bees? I have been a dabbler for 5 yrs, I need to get more serious about it. I am not sure how many of those 2600 trees will ever get more than a few feet tall, deer do not miss much, if you can get the info on the trees that would be great would love to plant some on my small piece of land. Take it easy
hairbackglow Reynoldsburg huh? Yes that's an hour maybe a little less away from me. I started beekeeping 6-7 years ago. I really have no problem with no hunting on her properties. I enjoying seeing all the wildlife. I manage some of her land across the street from me. It's rented to a beef supplier and I manage them. It's a completely grass fed farm. This year I am raising some pastured turkeys and chickens on the land. I just got my broad breasted turkeys last week. I have 50 meat chickens coming the 23rd of May. Then of course I have a bee yard on the farm. It works out great for me. My parents own some land that is covered with cedar trees that are about 2'-3' tall. They don't want them. So each year I go over and dig some up. I bring them home and plant them. Once they are out of the wood and in the yard where they can get some sun they grow fast. Last years spring transplant trees are over 5' tall now. Make a great privacy fence year round. I used to do some bow hunting but anymore I am just to busy. Plus I have access to some of the best beef I have ever ate. Have a great day!
Planting them way too close. They need to placed based on their final width… so if the tree spreads 30’ total when mature then there needs to be 15’ distance all around of open ground from where you planted it. That’s so the trees can mature and just planting trees Willy nilly like that and too close is kinda crazy. I mean why are you planting them … for lumber, for park setting, etc.. Also how will you mow the field if Willy nilly. Put stakes in, run a line from stake to stake and then plant the trees. Properly spacing makes for an attractive grove like setting.
hairbackglow Ok I found out the trees came from www.coldstreamfarm.net/. They are in Michigan. I don't see why you couldn't use the tree sleeves. As long as the tree is still able to get sun and water you should be fine.
The undergrowth actually helped hold in the moisture and protect the young trees during the summer heat. I hope to do an update on them this year to show their progress.
Hardwood from angiosperms, softwood from gymnosperms. The difference is biological. A few hardwoods are softer than some softwoods, but mostly hardwood = hard wood.
So, what percentage of these trees survived the first season...my guess...less than 50%. Smashing and stepping on trees never does those delicate roots any good. I use a transplant shovel or a post-hole digger. Dig a hole, place tree in proper depth, then pour the soil on top of the roots. My survival rates with tap rooted walnuts, pecans, oaks, and butternuts are over 80% (and that's only because I plant bad trees I get from the nursery too). With shallow rooted trees I am well over 90%. Yea it takes longer and is more work, but what is going on here I have found to a waste of time and the trees if they do grow are never take off in their early years and just struggle along.
you'll never plant 2600 trees in a season using your method. Dibble bar is time tested and proven effective for planting bare root seedlings by the thousand with outstanding survival rates.
Job well done - I have been planting trees over 40 years and you have done a good job on this video !
Thanks!
My state hunting program offered incentives for us to reforest fields, so I'm planting 1500 trees on 5 acres and will be using this method. Glad to see I may be able to finish in a couple days like I had hoped. Thanks for the video.
Sounds like a great program. Since it's a hunting program I am curious what types of tree your choosing? Will there be apple trees?
@@JCsBees I have a few crab apples I'm including in it because I already have saplings from all the trees I have on my property, but was limited to what my local soil and water department hard available. It's an even split between Red Oak, White Oak, Black Walnut, Eastern White Pine, and Shagbark Hickory.
Also ordered myself some pawpaw and plum trees so I can start my own little orchard :)
Thank you. Very clear demonstration. I need to use a dibble to transplant banana pups.
In my experience planting trees in southern Ontario,deer,rabbits and mice take quite a toll on the trees.Girdling from mice and rabbits from the bottom,deer browse from the top in winter.I use 3 or 4 inch septic tile plastic pipe once the trees get established,and tree guards until that point.You can't save them all,but this really cuts down on mortality.Watch nursery and farm auctions for cheap supplies.Good luck.the end product is fabulous.
moultonditcher any videos you could link to that demonstrates your strategy?
I am amazed at how thoroughly they(cattle) clear land, everything is eaten except for stuff about a foot or closer to any trees, small trees and shrubs usually are knocked down after being used as rubbing posts lol. Cattle are very interesting sorta like a giant goat. My friend moves them around as well no need to let stuff become overgrazed and muddy. Let me know if you hear anything on those root tree saplings. I will let you know how it goes with moving those supers
Thank you for your video. I buy a lot of trees from Arbor Day foundation and it's very time consuming to plant. It's even more time consuming to decide where to put them. I was concerned I could only use a dibble bar if I had pre-tilled the ground, but if you find success planting like this, that is encouraging.
Glad it was helpful! Good luck!
roots that long would be best cut (take off 1/3 to 1/2). This will ensure straight roots, quick planting and it will result in strong root growth very quickly
Jason, thanks for the info. I will be placing an order this week. Hope everything going well for you I will keep in touch, have you caught any swarms as of yet, I have a few traps out and nothing thus far, let me know how you do on tat front and thanks again.
thank you! We were gifted 2,000 saplings and had no idea what to do with them.
Awesome! What type of sapling? Have fun dibbling!
Please show your field/forest now so we can see how well they are growing.
How are these trees doing today? I'd love to see how they turned out!
I need to go check them. I am curious myself. I hope to check them in the spring and will share a video on them. Have you dibbled before?
+MUDSWAT: In this way you can only achieve rapidity when you have to plant a considered quantity of trees, the best way is to make a hole wider and deeper to throw before 15 centimeters of river sand (washed sand) then throw 10 centimeters of normal soil and plant The tree, the river sand extracts the humidity around it and the tree feeds on it, that way more time can pass between the irrigations. Greetings from Madrid Spain.
How do you think that strategy will work against the deer? Where were you able to get the starters, roots, trees? Any idea how much they were? Any turkey where you are, get one this year? I am in central OH and the deer on my land seem to eat anything and everything especially in the winter when food gets scarce, I would really like to get some hardwoods and cedars going on my place but the deer are scaring me off, don't want to fence the trees I would like to do something similar to what your doing. Thanks great stuff
hairbackglow I think it will help. It can't hurt. The land owner does not allow hunting so it;s over run with wildlife. Time will tell. I think they came from Michigan. I will try to find out for you. She had $289 in all 2600 trees. I thought she got a great deal. Where in central Ohio are you? I am just outside of Utica. Have you heard of Utica?
By not mowing, planting is more difficult ensures cover for especially rabbits for all hours of the day and night to feed on the bark. More barren open field allows much easier planting, especially in rows and allows birds of prey open viewing, day (hawks), night (owls). Deer also will be encouraged to use the area more often if cover is available. Cover or not, once found as an easy food source, animals will utilize it.
I have no problem with non hunting either it just affects the whole area esp when someone has lots of land. Farm raised turkey's sounds cool, are they the white types? Do you pen the chickens and turkeys? Any problems with predators? Sounds like you have some very exciting and interesting things going on, appreciate you putting learned info out for the rest of us. Quick bee question, how can I get bees to move brood out of a box? I left some honey supers on last season and they moved up into them during the winter and the boxes a re full of brood, I moved the boxes to the bottom of my hive stack but would like to put them back on for the nectar flow if possible. Any ideas? I was thinking making sure the queen is above those boxes and putting on an excluder. What are your thoughts?
hairbackglow Yes I would suggest you find the queen then move the supers above the excluder. Once all the brood hatches then should be good to go.
The turkeys I got are 65% white meat but as far as their colors they are not white. They are dark colors. They will be pinned in chicken tractor. If your not sure what that is I will explain. It's a cage that is 10'x10' but only 2' tall. It has heavy duty chicken wire covering the sides and the top is covered with metal roofing. The tractor is moved daily to fresh grass. So basically I will move it 10 foot everyday. The turkeys take 4 months to raise and the chicken will reach 6-7 pounds in only 8 weeks. I am really getting into meat without anitboitic and growth hormones. I believe that stuff is killing us. The meat to eat is organic. No chemical.
How do you water them after planting?
We just relied on the spring rains to water and it worked well for us.
@@JCsBees thanks!
only 1 question, is your soil so good that you don't have to amend those holes at all? no compost? no nothing?
Permaculture Prepper Well to be honest I never asked if she had soil tested first but no I did not amend the soil at all. This was apart of some state program and I am really not sure if a soil test is necessary. She wanted me to plant them as if they just grew naturally. Not in row or in groves but split up and scattered everywhere. My back is glad I am done! lol
you could sandwich the Roots between hands like a prayer and insert hands into ground protecting roots, then remove hands.
Can the plastic trees leaves be used with these type of young tree?
I will try that this week with the hive and see how it goes. How do they get the turkey to have more white meat? I love nature as well, sitting up high in a tree stand is and awesome way to experience it(hunting or not) I sit quite a bit and just watch nature unfold in front of me it is awesome. I hunt because I choose to provide and harvest from nature as much as I can, venison and elk are very healthy and taste great if prepared correctly. I find it funny to have beef for slaughter but not allow hunting, I am not judging just noticing...what type beef is it, my friend has 6 on his property now, and man are they some huge creatures...
hairbackglow The cattle herd is a mixture. Some are hereford angus mix and some are black angus and a few red angus. I practice intensive grazing with them. This is where they are moved daily to a new area. I will take a pasture and split it into a bunch of areas called paddocks. The herd spend one day in each paddocks. This does several things. The grass is able to grow back faster, it also help me manage manure distribution. I really enjoy it. The cattle belong to a commercial dealer in Ashland, OH. They are sold at a health food store in Cleveland and people he knows.
I agree it's weird to slaughter beef but allow not hunting. The land owner is probably 70 years old. She is a firm believer that for a farm to work properly you need wildlife to help balance things out. I agree with that but the deer are always breaking fence wires. I wouldn't mind her allowing at least 1 or 2 people hunting. The farm is 200 acres. We have everything up there. I see coyote all the time same with fox. They do not bother the herd mostly because I only finish the beef. So I do not have any young calves.
You are right the cattle get very big. I didn't have any experience when I started. They scared the hell out of me. Moving them daily I got to where all I had to do is call them. They will follow me like school kids following the teacher. Over time I have got much better with them. Now the hardest part is sending them to slaughter after spending everyday with them it's hard not to bond with a few. Especially the leader of the herd. But at least I know what I am eating and that us healthy happy cattle. Not sure if you know this but grass fed beef have Omega 3's & 6. Grain fed do not. A cow can eat grass it's whole life and if it's fed grain for 80 days before butchering all of the benefits of the grass are destroyed. Not trying to preach just extremely passionate about it.
what is the length and width of the blade on the dibble? nice and easy, love it and so will my back.
+GmGarlo The tool was borrowed from our local extension office. To take a guess a diddle is waist tall and the wedge is 2" maybe 3" wide at the widest. I used a spud bar as a diddle the other day and it worked well.
No planting tool is perfect for every kind of ground/stock/contract. I've planted with hoedads, shovels, dibbles, planting bars and augers, although I, personally, always prefered a hoedad.
How long did it take you to plant that area? I have an 8-9 acre piece i would like to plant
It took a couple hour a day for about a week.
now , where can you buy that tools
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Hay Charlie, see how it’s done
Could I/someone's put those plastic trees leaves over these root trees?
Thank you
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What happens if you a J roots?
I am not 100% sure but I think it greatly slows tree growth and the roots grow closer to the top of the soil vs growing downward. Try to avoid it.
Yes, I believe your NE of me maybe an hour or so, on the other side of New Concord? I am in Reynoldsburg. Good to know maybe next year I can get some swarm lure from you? People who own land and do not allow "any" hunting really mess up an area in no time. Having tasty success keeping the deer in check on my property bwahahahaha..any turkeys up your way? Do you sell bees, nucs etc? How long have you been into bees? I have been a dabbler for 5 yrs, I need to get more serious about it. I am not sure how many of those 2600 trees will ever get more than a few feet tall, deer do not miss much, if you can get the info on the trees that would be great would love to plant some on my small piece of land. Take it easy
hairbackglow Reynoldsburg huh? Yes that's an hour maybe a little less away from me. I started beekeeping 6-7 years ago. I really have no problem with no hunting on her properties. I enjoying seeing all the wildlife. I manage some of her land across the street from me. It's rented to a beef supplier and I manage them. It's a completely grass fed farm. This year I am raising some pastured turkeys and chickens on the land. I just got my broad breasted turkeys last week. I have 50 meat chickens coming the 23rd of May. Then of course I have a bee yard on the farm. It works out great for me.
My parents own some land that is covered with cedar trees that are about 2'-3' tall. They don't want them. So each year I go over and dig some up. I bring them home and plant them. Once they are out of the wood and in the yard where they can get some sun they grow fast. Last years spring transplant trees are over 5' tall now. Make a great privacy fence year round.
I used to do some bow hunting but anymore I am just to busy. Plus I have access to some of the best beef I have ever ate. Have a great day!
How many are alive now?
Can you do the dibble process with an ordinary shovel?
I don't think a shovel will work very well but a spud bar would probably work.
I should note that we borrowed these dibble's from the local soil and conversation group.
The dibble you know is better than the dibble you don’t!
How are the trees doing?
Not sure! I plan to go check them out this Spring and make an update video. Stay tuned! 🙂
Deer will find them.
Planting them way too close. They need to placed based on their final width… so if the tree spreads 30’ total when mature then there needs to be 15’ distance all around of open ground from where you planted it. That’s so the trees can mature and just planting trees Willy nilly like that and too close is kinda crazy. I mean why are you planting them … for lumber, for park setting, etc.. Also how will you mow the field if Willy nilly. Put stakes in, run a line from stake to stake and then plant the trees. Properly spacing makes for an attractive grove like setting.
I agree, I was just following landowner orders. She didn't want me investing a bunch of time setting up lines. lol
Tree sleave!
hairbackglow Ok I found out the trees came from www.coldstreamfarm.net/. They are in Michigan. I don't see why you couldn't use the tree sleeves. As long as the tree is still able to get sun and water you should be fine.
I could clean the undergrowth and fill it with water before covering it, it would be better.
The undergrowth actually helped hold in the moisture and protect the young trees during the summer heat. I hope to do an update on them this year to show their progress.
This is the easiest way to plant a tree.
Just a friendly correction: tulip poplar is not a hardwood.
Thanks for the input!
Tulip poplar is in fact considered a hardwood. It is a softer hardwood and is used for wood products that soft woods like pine are often used for.
Hardwood from angiosperms, softwood from gymnosperms. The difference is biological. A few hardwoods are softer than some softwoods, but mostly hardwood = hard wood.
So, what percentage of these trees survived the first season...my guess...less than 50%. Smashing and stepping on trees never does those delicate roots any good. I use a transplant shovel or a post-hole digger. Dig a hole, place tree in proper depth, then pour the soil on top of the roots. My survival rates with tap rooted walnuts, pecans, oaks, and butternuts are over 80% (and that's only because I plant bad trees I get from the nursery too). With shallow rooted trees I am well over 90%. Yea it takes longer and is more work, but what is going on here I have found to a waste of time and the trees if they do grow are never take off in their early years and just struggle along.
you'll never plant 2600 trees in a season using your method. Dibble bar is time tested and proven effective for planting bare root seedlings by the thousand with outstanding survival rates.