As with many latin name, the english word came from the latin name. So no. Hostilian was as regular as Albert. Now if albert became so evil that a future civilization called their evil people "albertian" I guess another joe such as you could make a joke. Not a good joke to us, but they would have a good laugh.
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide it is pretty impressive to be so ‘hostile’ that all aggressive opponents are named after you a few generations later. I love language. A Joe like me is impressed.
One thing not mentioned here is how two of gallienus' sons were killed when their generals were proclaimed emperors..not just for postumus revolt but for aureolus' as well. Gallienus had no time for drink or games and spent his whole reign running back and forth across the empire and the thanks he got was the murder of his sons on two separate occasions and then his own death..then others took the credit for the work he started..
Gallienus seems like he was more than capable of rising to the occasion. From what I knew of his Reign before I ever heard this podcast. He seemed to be competent, cool headed & focused on trying to preserve stability.
After much reflecting, Gallienus’ reign is my biggest “I wish we had more sources” period of Roman history. He seems like a great and competent emperor who ruled during Rome’s nadir (without including the few years before the West fell), and we have virtually zero details. What an unfortunate timeline we live in where Valerian killed Cyprian just when I wanted him most!
Always love reading/hearing about the third century. From a captured Emperor in the east to the Rhine being stripped of legionairies in the face of invading Franks to Greeks suddenly scrambling to secure their cities... The sheer ammount of 'Oh, ok then...' felt across the board is exceptional. And through all that a Palmyran crazy boy right smack in the middle of the greatest threat just tears around like it's nothing and takes care of busniness no problems... It's all good stuff.
It feels like Emperors at this point were like the Swamp Castles in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. A man decides to co-rule, they both get murdered by their troops, Then another guy takes over, and is murdered by his troops, then the next guy burns down, falls down, sinks into the swamp and then is murdered by foreign troops, and the fourth one....succumbs to the plague....
Where do you think Monty Python got their ideas? Those guys usually went to public schools (private schools here) and had to learn this history. It's what made them British..
This is my second run through the series and although I may have raised it before, the Sassanid king's name is Shapoor not ShaRpoor. Shapoor is a compound name, from Shah=king and Poor=son(of).
@@mrlakkie1612 to be fair it does happen the other way around too, for example the name Alexander becomes Eskandar and Sekander in Middle Eastern History, like the 'L' never existed!
@@emadbagheri yeah but these are historical dialectic differences. I love americans in certain ways, but their pronounciation even of their own language is ridiculous.
He says, at around 1:42:20, that when the Emperor minted more (debased) coins, causing inflation, it wiped out the savings of all the citizens who has hoarded the older, valuable coins. This is incorrect. What he describes is what happens to _fiat_ money (money that has no intrinsic value) in periods of inflation. Coins containing precious metals will _not_ loose their value when debased coins (coins containing less silver or gold than they are supposed to) are introduced into circulation, since they still contain a higher percentage of precious metals. What will happen instead is that the older, 'good' money will increase, in value, compared to the debased coinage.
@CipiRipi00 Are you seriously trying to have me believe that theyd show shiny golden colored bronze coins off as silver denarii? Also keep in mind 1800 years has passed since then not 8.
Treason is often a relative concept and loyalty is often the motive for backstabbing... Men have many loyalties; state, sovereign, family, friends, laws, principles... and they can all contradict one another. Sometimes you just gotta weigh 'em up. The Gallic Empire is a good example. Ideally of course those loyalties are all supposed to compliment each other, but how often are circumstances ideal?
Gallienus seems like he was a fairly competent Emperor. The fact that he recognized his father couldn't be saved & focused on protecting Italy seems to suggest he knew what was important. If he hadn't been betrayed, he might've been able to stabilize the empire.
Makes it much sadder when fools ran the empire. Imagine it had been run by the likes of Augustus or Caesar for the whole time? Would probably still be around...they lost the virtue of the Roman heart
A big part of the reason Rome fell is because of the corruption of its own leaders, very little foresight into the damage it caused their whole country.
Thank You, Mike Duncan! A Perfect Storm's overuse gives me murderous ulcers. While we're at it, fuck Game Plan. Are you playing a sport? No? Then it's a fucking plan!
@@CaptainGrimes1 he means compared to what the earlier weeks covered, say, during the Roman Republic, when a hundred years could pass in a single upload (on this channel, which compiles several weeks' worth of Mike Duncan's recordings)
@@jtzoltan I wasn't replying to the original poster but the guy under him who said there were a lot more people in 3rd century Europe which is incorrect!
Many years ago, I had a dream: "You must read Gibbon!" Which I dutifully did. Then I had another dream: "It would have been better if Rome had dissolved in the 3rd century!" I could sortof figure how that could make sense by not having the Catholic Church conflate with imperial power. But after watching these episodes, I have a different understanding: Debasement of the currency is one of the cruelest froms of defrauding the citizens, transferring power from those who work to those who issue (counterfeit) money. In the process, everyone gets to defraud everyone else, except those at the very bottom of this pyramid scheme. They'll just have to struggle to survive, as their sparse income no longer are able to purchase the bare necessities of food, shelter and energy. Copmaring to the situation today would be way too unsettling.
You may be interested in a few studies done in systems collapse theory applied to bronze age collapse they identify two things that seem to precede civilization collapses: housing crisis, currency devaluation
To me, I oversimplify a Perfect Storm as, a bunch a mini crisis's combining to make one Uber crisis. They ping of each other, adding and feeding off another, till one more outside party launches an endeavor an disrupts the whole balance of power, then you have a tit for tat game that escalates between the 2 (or more) "parties"... American Civil War, WWI. The Great Depression is about how economic downturn leads to more economic downturn. Crazy how one issue exacerbates all the others like a house of cards... Like if electricity went out.
Do I hear the Sassanid king's name being pronounced Shar-poor? Is that a latinized version? In Persian the name is Shah-poor, shah=king and Poor=son of/born of.
@@icedragon23472 Idk; thats just language differences. I find it weirder that the Sassanids would still call their Shah "Shahpur"(Shah's Son) if; you know; the son now is the Shah 😅
Yes there is and I plan on uploading those as well when am finished with Mike's podcast. Here is the History Of Byzantium Podcast. thehistoryofbyzantium.com/
The History of Byzantium Podcast is still ongoing. Given that it has only recently reached the year 1000, and Constantinople does not fall to the Ottomans until 1453, I'd say this podcast will be continuing for quite some time!
Mike used all of the primary sources for the Roman period such as Livy and Tacitus. Whatever the primary source would be for what he was talking about at the time. Caesar wrote about the Gallic Wars that he fought in so that was used as a source for those episodes. I know he also used Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire heavily for the later centuries. Here is a list of Roman historians on wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Latin_historians
The Roman empire had an appalling political system.Power passed from one emperor to another mainly by civil war or murder. The republic between 135 BC and 28 BC wasn’t much better.The republic between 509 BC and roughly 150 BC, when internal violence was rare, and nearly all citizens were militiamen, and there was no standing army, was Rome’s golden age.
In hindsight, Augustus after winning against Mark Anthony should have assembled 40 legions or over 200k legionaires, supported with a further 200k militia and just embark on an extermination campaign on all of the Germanic people and then the Parthians. Promising the soldiers all of the conquered loot and the lands of the exterminated people.
The first problem with this is when this should have taken place: the economy was weaker by the Crisis of the 2nd century; there was less trade, meaning less money and taxes from paying troops; there was political instability and the Cyprian plague made recruitment difficult. Basically, it was difficult to raise troops, taxes, and, if you failed you could murdered by any institution including the senate, the army, the praetorian. It was pretty much impossible to achieve what you mention. The main reason for recruitment problems was that big land owners wanted to keep their slaves and serfs because they made more money that they, but also because the ruling oligarchy had nowhere to unleash their energies into. This led to a kind of "proto-feudalism".
I'm thinking you guys misunderstood Rome in general and Augustus especially. As much as many historians want to make the Romans out to be selfish imperialist out for land, money and conquest at the cost of however many people, that just simply isn't true. Assimilation and a good, honorable reputation was the bedrock of most of their late republic and early imperial conquest, so it would've run contrary to their nature and the entire purpose of their expansion. However I have no doubt if Agrippa was still alive at that moment he would have made at least a couple more plays for Germania.
Is it only 300%? I've heard that the purchasing power of a dollar in 2000, was equal to the purchasing power of a penny in 1900-1915. And it seems like the purchasing power of a dollar in the year 2000 would be equal to 2 or 3 dollars today, but that could be wrong.
Scrooge McDuck, huh? Unbelievable! I'm telling you that such flippant asides have got no place in a thoughtful presentation of the history of Rome -- your assumption that "most" of your listeners first learned of inflation from Disney is daft and your recounting of the plot of the cartoon certainly distracts from the subject matter of the episode.
After emperor Valerian is captured, you essentially need a visual chart to keep up with who's in charge of what and what they did during their reign.
I feel like this Crisis Era would be just as fascinating as the age of Caesar and Augustus if we simply had more information...
Let's hope not. Because this isn't Ancient Rome. Imagine Caligula, but with nuclear weapons.
@@rationalbasis2172I think he was talking about the crisis of the third century, not the impending crisis of the 21st century
Gee, not expecting any rivalry from “Hostilian” seems legit.
As with many latin name, the english word came from the latin name. So no. Hostilian was as regular as Albert. Now if albert became so evil that a future civilization called their evil people "albertian" I guess another joe such as you could make a joke. Not a good joke to us, but they would have a good laugh.
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide it is pretty impressive to be so ‘hostile’ that all aggressive opponents are named after you a few generations later. I love language. A Joe like me is impressed.
The goths are invading. Time to gather my army.
Send for my best general:
Usurpronius Dysloyalcus
@@richardleston5237 😂🤣😭
Supported by his best liutenant, plotianus, and schemicus
Imagine if Aurelian could've ruled just another 5 years.. :/ so much couldve been done to improve the situation.
We are too degenerate for that world.
Aurelian was just that badass.
One thing not mentioned here is how two of gallienus' sons were killed when their generals were proclaimed emperors..not just for postumus revolt but for aureolus' as well. Gallienus had no time for drink or games and spent his whole reign running back and forth across the empire and the thanks he got was the murder of his sons on two separate occasions and then his own death..then others took the credit for the work he started..
Point is..imagine how deeply personal this was..to have to live with some POS who had murdered your son occupying a 1/3 of your empire ..untouchable.
Gallienus seems like he was more than capable of rising to the occasion. From what I knew of his Reign before I ever heard this podcast. He seemed to be competent, cool headed & focused on trying to preserve stability.
After much reflecting, Gallienus’ reign is my biggest “I wish we had more sources” period of Roman history. He seems like a great and competent emperor who ruled during Rome’s nadir (without including the few years before the West fell), and we have virtually zero details. What an unfortunate timeline we live in where Valerian killed Cyprian just when I wanted him most!
57:05 'it's not like he was fiddling while Rome burned. He was beating off....' arguably worse than fiddling
I was drinking milk when he said that and I spit it out laughing. Freaking great.
Lmao
Always love reading/hearing about the third century.
From a captured Emperor in the east to the Rhine being stripped of legionairies in the face of invading Franks to Greeks suddenly scrambling to secure their cities... The sheer ammount of 'Oh, ok then...' felt across the board is exceptional.
And through all that a Palmyran crazy boy right smack in the middle of the greatest threat just tears around like it's nothing and takes care of busniness no problems...
It's all good stuff.
Gotta love Odenathus.
I followed the history pretty well up until this third century portion, but so much has happened that I can’t keep up anymore!
What’s really cool, is the guitar intro. You may not know this, but it’s an actual recording of Tiberius strumming the guitar!
How did they record Tiberius strumming?
@Salomon Kita That part I don’t know!
@@salomonkita2482 it's A pretty obvious joke bud
@@salomonkita2482 someone was making pottery close by
Sounds like a Dr-707 Drum machine to me, but what do I know.(lol)*
At this point I can barely keep track of all the Emperors.😣😣
Oh good, I thought it was just me.
The Roman plebs at the time probably had that problem too.
It feels like Emperors at this point were like the Swamp Castles in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. A man decides to co-rule, they both get murdered by their troops, Then another guy takes over, and is murdered by his troops, then the next guy burns down, falls down, sinks into the swamp and then is murdered by foreign troops, and the fourth one....succumbs to the plague....
Where do you think Monty Python got their ideas? Those guys usually went to public schools (private schools here) and had to learn this history. It's what made them British..
37:50 Ariminius, or as Michael Grant says, "Yet another German named Hermann."
A PERFECT STORM
This is my second run through the series and although I may have raised it before, the Sassanid king's name is Shapoor not ShaRpoor. Shapoor is a compound name, from Shah=king and Poor=son(of).
Dude americans and pronounciation is a terrible combo. Even when its pretty clear in spelling they manage to screw it up.
@@mrlakkie1612 to be fair it does happen the other way around too, for example the name Alexander becomes Eskandar and Sekander in Middle Eastern History, like the 'L' never existed!
@@emadbagheri yeah but these are historical dialectic differences. I love americans in certain ways, but their pronounciation even of their own language is ridiculous.
He says, at around 1:42:20, that when the Emperor minted more (debased) coins, causing inflation, it wiped out the savings of all the citizens who has hoarded the older, valuable coins. This is incorrect. What he describes is what happens to _fiat_ money (money that has no intrinsic value) in periods of inflation. Coins containing precious metals will _not_ loose their value when debased coins (coins containing less silver or gold than they are supposed to) are introduced into circulation, since they still contain a higher percentage of precious metals. What will happen instead is that the older, 'good' money will increase, in value, compared to the debased coinage.
In this case he means that the coins were literally debased by adding cheaper metals to them.
But debasement was not done openly, with coinage being made to look exactly the same.
@CipiRipi00 No dumb dumb, a debased coin is usually sheathed.
@CipiRipi00 Theyre plated aka THE PLATING HAS WORN OFF.
@CipiRipi00 Are you seriously trying to have me believe that theyd show shiny golden colored bronze coins off as silver denarii? Also keep in mind 1800 years has passed since then not 8.
This particular era would make an interesting TV series. Starting just prior to Commodus and up to Hostilian.
I hope you're going to add more, I'm pretty much caught up with this one!
So many revolts and backstabbers. I'm just getting tired of it all. I love the show by the way!
It almost makes the Year Of The Four Emperors seem like a walk in the park. Almost. Geez, not a good time to be Roman.
Treason is often a relative concept and loyalty is often the motive for backstabbing... Men have many loyalties; state, sovereign, family, friends, laws, principles... and they can all contradict one another. Sometimes you just gotta weigh 'em up. The Gallic Empire is a good example.
Ideally of course those loyalties are all supposed to compliment each other, but how often are circumstances ideal?
Gallienus seems like he was a fairly competent Emperor. The fact that he recognized his father couldn't be saved & focused on protecting Italy seems to suggest he knew what was important. If he hadn't been betrayed, he might've been able to stabilize the empire.
Makes it much sadder when fools ran the empire. Imagine it had been run by the likes of Augustus or Caesar for the whole time? Would probably still be around...they lost the virtue of the Roman heart
A big part of the reason Rome fell is because of the corruption of its own leaders, very little foresight into the damage it caused their whole country.
Amazing content! The combination of your cadence, statements, and intro music makes for real asmr
1:57:20 never thought I’d hear these words
Earned a like for praising a kids show. Good man.
Thank You, Mike Duncan! A Perfect Storm's overuse gives me murderous ulcers. While we're at it, fuck Game Plan. Are you playing a sport? No? Then it's a fucking plan!
My man!! Keep it going bra.
For some reason the capture of Valarian gives me night mares.
It is nightmarish indeed!!
Member the times when 1 video would cover like a century of history? I cant quite internalize that Marcus Aurelius died
Greater amount of surviving records and there are alot more people in europe during the third century.
@@RemoveChink no there were a lot less, remember the Antonine plague? The Cyprian plague?
@@CaptainGrimes1 he means compared to what the earlier weeks covered, say, during the Roman Republic, when a hundred years could pass in a single upload (on this channel, which compiles several weeks' worth of Mike Duncan's recordings)
@@jtzoltan I wasn't replying to the original poster but the guy under him who said there were a lot more people in 3rd century Europe which is incorrect!
@@CaptainGrimes1 there were more people in 5th century europe BC than 3d century AD?
I would love this same format with eastern rome after rome fell
Cyprian plague was most likely a hemorrhagic fever. Per Kyle Harper. The symptom set fits better than smallpox.
I wonder who Helena Handbasket is, and why all of Rome wants to go to her. 46:00
Heard she has real silver
Many years ago, I had a dream: "You must read Gibbon!" Which I dutifully did.
Then I had another dream: "It would have been better if Rome had dissolved in the 3rd century!"
I could sortof figure how that could make sense by not having the Catholic Church conflate with imperial power.
But after watching these episodes, I have a different understanding:
Debasement of the currency is one of the cruelest froms of defrauding the citizens, transferring power from those who work to those who issue (counterfeit) money.
In the process, everyone gets to defraud everyone else, except those at the very bottom of this pyramid scheme. They'll just have to struggle to survive, as their sparse income no longer are able to purchase the bare necessities of food, shelter and energy.
Copmaring to the situation today would be way too unsettling.
You may be interested in a few studies done in systems collapse theory applied to bronze age collapse they identify two things that seem to precede civilization collapses: housing crisis, currency devaluation
Thank you.
You're welcome
To me, I oversimplify a Perfect Storm as, a bunch a mini crisis's combining to make one Uber crisis. They ping of each other, adding and feeding off another, till one more outside party launches an endeavor an disrupts the whole balance of power, then you have a tit for tat game that escalates between the 2 (or more) "parties"... American Civil War, WWI. The Great Depression is about how economic downturn leads to more economic downturn. Crazy how one issue exacerbates all the others like a house of cards... Like if electricity went out.
Do I hear the Sassanid king's name being pronounced Shar-poor? Is that a latinized version? In Persian the name is Shah-poor, shah=king and Poor=son of/born of.
Haha how ironic that a King's name is partially pronounced as "poor"
@@icedragon23472 Idk; thats just language differences. I find it weirder that the Sassanids would still call their Shah "Shahpur"(Shah's Son) if; you know; the son now is the Shah 😅
I still want to be named Maximus. I die in battle by getting hit in the neck with a ceramic tile... That rocks!
52:45 and on UTTER IRONY
Love your work
Ego odio gothicos.
1:38:00
Could we help translating the series? It's pretty through and it's a shame some people can't enjoy it for not knowing English
11:00
Is there any podcast in such detail about eastern rome empire also.
Yes there is and I plan on uploading those as well when am finished with Mike's podcast. Here is the History Of Byzantium Podcast. thehistoryofbyzantium.com/
- Timaeus - thanks bro. Looking forward to that uploads also once I finish these great ones
The History of Byzantium Podcast is still ongoing. Given that it has only recently reached the year 1000, and Constantinople does not fall to the Ottomans until 1453, I'd say this podcast will be continuing for quite some time!
@@-timaeus-9781 any follow up on these plans mate? I know your re uploading the history of Rome atm but was just wondering
@@-timaeus-9781 y
Who is the Emperor depicted in that first picture?
Gallienus
I dont know if its ever been requested but can you list or do a video on some of your sources?
Mike used all of the primary sources for the Roman period such as Livy and Tacitus. Whatever the primary source would be for what he was talking about at the time. Caesar wrote about the Gallic Wars that he fought in so that was used as a source for those episodes. I know he also used Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire heavily for the later centuries. Here is a list of Roman historians on wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Latin_historians
someone needs a college paper written lol
What did Degaul say about indispensable men???
DeGaulle said that “The cemeteries are full of indispensable men”.
what the fuck is with youtube autoplaying this after mechanic videos
Sounds like a you problem.
Palmyra ruins in syria were amazing unfortunately alot were destroyed by isis during the war.
12:03 - 12:10
So these videos are like 11 yrs old damn
48:40 what a chad
Gigachad
The Roman empire had an appalling political system.Power passed from one emperor to another mainly by civil war or murder. The republic between 135 BC and 28 BC wasn’t much better.The republic between 509 BC and roughly 150 BC, when internal violence was rare, and nearly all citizens were militiamen, and there was no standing army, was Rome’s golden age.
Wasn’t Hannibal running around Italy dealing brutal victories against the romans in the late 200s bc though?
The punics played havoc with that system though.
the first century from 500 to 350 was not at all pretty politically!
Persia victrix!
People should keep reminding themselves that mighty Han Empire fell during roughly the same time. But ROME bounced back.❤
Cyprian "si" prian not "sigh" prian
In hindsight, Augustus after winning against Mark Anthony should have assembled 40 legions or over 200k legionaires, supported with a further 200k militia and just embark on an extermination campaign on all of the Germanic people and then the Parthians.
Promising the soldiers all of the conquered loot and the lands of the exterminated people.
The first problem with this is when this should have taken place: the economy was weaker by the Crisis of the 2nd century; there was less trade, meaning less money and taxes from paying troops; there was political instability and the Cyprian plague made recruitment difficult. Basically, it was difficult to raise troops, taxes, and, if you failed you could murdered by any institution including the senate, the army, the praetorian. It was pretty much impossible to achieve what you mention.
The main reason for recruitment problems was that big land owners wanted to keep their slaves and serfs because they made more money that they, but also because the ruling oligarchy had nowhere to unleash their energies into. This led to a kind of "proto-feudalism".
ur in 251 ad here bud
nodinitiative Did you forget about the Tutoburg forest?
that's exactly why augustus should have genocided the german tribes
I'm thinking you guys misunderstood Rome in general and Augustus especially. As much as many historians want to make the Romans out to be selfish imperialist out for land, money and conquest at the cost of however many people, that just simply isn't true. Assimilation and a good, honorable reputation was the bedrock of most of their late republic and early imperial conquest, so it would've run contrary to their nature and the entire purpose of their expansion. However I have no doubt if Agrippa was still alive at that moment he would have made at least a couple more plays for Germania.
V
Shhh Quietus
For a man of history, it's tragic he doesn't see the 300%+ inflation of the us dollar, in a hundred years. .
Is it only 300%? I've heard that the purchasing power of a dollar in 2000, was equal to the purchasing power of a penny in 1900-1915.
And it seems like the purchasing power of a dollar in the year 2000 would be equal to 2 or 3 dollars today, but that could be wrong.
i miss u gold standard
prolific, not 'voluminous ' but otherwise great
Scrooge McDuck, huh? Unbelievable! I'm telling you that such flippant asides have got no place in a thoughtful presentation of the history of Rome -- your assumption that "most" of your listeners first learned of inflation from Disney is daft and your recounting of the plot of the cartoon certainly distracts from the subject matter of the episode.
This isn't scholarly, so who cares.
@@classiclife7204 "... who cares?"
[Old man yells at cloud]
@@jimyoung9262 Much more interesting than the history of Rome, I'm sure.