Viva Mama.... Well done ladies... May you never tire to push the closed doors.... God is your strength... Press on leaders... Upholding you in prayer.... 🎉❤❤❤
This is an comment continuing the parody presented in the video Imagine if this perspective was the matrix to interpret scripture... ‐------‐-‐-------------------------------- Part I (of 2) As a woman representing the Traditional Faith I must protest the decision, even the validity of a synod dealing with such a narrow fringe-question as ordination for men (that is pushed by the manists in our time with so many important, urgent and more relevant questions needing answers) and I question the good standing of the participants for the sake of security of all. Tradition and Scripture is surpricingly clear in this question. Much of the important points seem to have been excluded and conveniently forgotten in the Synod discussions as also the many voices of fear that this gathering has silenced. As a start and a startling example I would like to remind bishop Renate that Moses owe his life to five women, not four! How can we forget that the daughter of Pharao was the one to pull Moses from the waters of death and from his basket tomb just like God pulled Jesus from death and his tomb in the garden. She is the fifth element, the fifth woman. Why is this important? A part from the obvious that she contrasts the murderous Pharao and that she receives a son without conceiving just like Mary, the mother of God - Theotokos - she also fulfills the baptism through death to life of Moses, a priestly task, and thus connects Mary as Mother of God, to her priestly position in the church. Did she not say she was a servant of God? She who gave birth to God, who was at the Cross and who was one of the first to see the risen Christ. She and Mary the towering Magdalen, our sister, who carried the news of the renewed life to the cowering disciples were they not the first in the long succession of priestly women? And their namesake Maryam, the sister of Moses, who like Mary the Magdalen, carried the news of life renewed to those who were in hiding. Were they not all women? Jesus called and sent Mary the Magdalen to preach and teach the Resurrection. Death has no more dominion, chava - life - the new Eve take her place as priest and servant. Did not Jesus already from the Cross establish the motherhood of his Mother Mary to all disciples, then send Mary the Magdalen to proclaim and teach as priest, sister and mother? Could really a male take this place and embody this? Let us look again at this. The women were greeted by the angels at the grave and went and told also the men. But they didn't believe. We should of course still include men since two of them still ran to the grave and actually were allowed to look into the grave and it is written that those two then believed even if the Bible also points out how they all disbelieved not only once but twice, as the story of Thomas repeat the narrative. A reminder that the repetition, as we all know, is a way of pointing out the weakness of men concerning faith. Yet another sign that priesthood belongs with woman and woman alone. It was only after the men at the empty tomb had left and gone home that Jesus chose to call and send a woman to teach the Resurrection. The men needed to wait for their turn to meet him, to know their natural but dignified place. And as we see with Peter, who was given a chance to repent from his betrayal and lack of faith, he was then given the practical task of working to provide food and take care of livestock like sheep while women preach the important Gospel, the Good News of the Resurrection. Cont>>>
Part II (of 2) It's important to get this right. Women teach, preach administer baptism etc as Scriptures show us. The motherhood as more than birthgivers is an important part of priesthood. How could a man embody that, symbolize that? Finally I would like to repeat the obvious. A woman gave Jesus, God incarnated, to the world preimaged earlier by the daughter of Pharaoh and today by every woman who is a priest. Whom but a woman could give our Lord, present in the bread on the altar, to the world? A man?! No, as you actually correctly pointed out, that could give an erronious image and therefore erronious teachings and ideas, weaking our godgiven likeness. No man can embody a priest. Even if a group states that the Bible does not hinder ordination for men, it is clear that a man can not respresent what his nature prevents. Priests should be women only. To emphasize that this is in our very nature let us look at our beginnings and the teaching that the Church derived from that narrative from the very vibrant beginnings when mother Spirit taught us in flames of varm light. The man was not the last created, woman was. And we all know the last shall be the first as Jesus taught. The man blamed God for sending a woman to support him in his lonely situation - lack of faith again - and then he blamed the woman. But the woman showed that she knew the deception did not originate from God nor from humanity but from the snake. God explained to Eve the consequences of the fall. Giving life would cause pain just like Jesus would carry pain to give us eternal life. But God also predicted that men would answer women's desire to stand face to face, as companions, with a desire to dominate. This we have also seen through history. Adam that, by his own admission, had eaten the fruit given to him even though he had himself heard God's instruction not to, caused the earth, the very ground to be cursed. Therefore we needed a second Adam to be a man. That is why Jesus was male. Jesus, the new Adam, perfectly listens to God, where the old Adam lacked faith and did not. But there's more. The first born son of Adam and Eve, Cain, got jealous and God taught him that he should dominate sin because sin desires to be his companion in life otherwise. But instead he chooses to dominate his younger brother Abel and kills him. The desire to dominate others causes the third curse and this is the curse on the one who sins, who dominate others, who seek power. Ever since, the male is prone to try to dominate others instead of dominating sin. A weakness akin to that of lack of faith already mentioned. Flighty is man. Can we really let men be priests when we know this? After the warning God gave? We are not yet in heaven, we are still in this world and subject to the consequences of the fall, even if Jesus did change the trajectory. For all our safety, let us heed God's warning and the role God gave to men, repeated by Jesus. Adam was told he was to work and sweat for the earth to yield food unless fallen to sin, then not even that. Peter, the disciple, was told to feed and take care of livestock like Abel. That is the sacred and dignified role of men. To work and sweat for food and to take care of livestock. Today men might even have whitecollar jobs where they don't have to sweat. Some might say that is unwise or even unbiblical. Some warn us that by working until sweat they are hindered, at least to some extent, to fall into that pattern of violent domination, lack of faith and sin that tempt men especially. We should not go against what God herself ordered and be unwise in our divinely ordained motherhood in this question. Therefore I urge you to change this unwise decision and trial. To your proposition I say: Non placet.
The parody is striking! Your message loud and clear yet draped in irony. Thank you and please don’t stop the efforts.
Brilliant! Thank You for all that you’re doing for God’s people. I follow your work as an ordained deacon for The Episcopal Church✨
Pure Mockery and blasphemy
Viva Mama.... Well done ladies... May you never tire to push the closed doors.... God is your strength... Press on leaders... Upholding you in prayer.... 🎉❤❤❤
You women have been stars of the Synod! You do us all proud. 😊
Spectacularly done
John Fox
Pace e Bene
Absolutely brilliant!
I love the Mitres--wish they had them in the Vatican! Great job all!😇🥰
VATICANELLE proves that Synodality can work!
Bravisimo! Thank you and Shalom.
This is an comment continuing the parody presented in the video
Imagine if this perspective was the matrix to interpret scripture...
‐------‐-‐--------------------------------
Part I (of 2)
As a woman representing the Traditional Faith I must protest the decision, even the validity of a synod dealing with such a narrow fringe-question as ordination for men (that is pushed by the manists in our time with so many important, urgent and more relevant questions needing answers) and I question the good standing of the participants for the sake of security of all.
Tradition and Scripture is surpricingly clear in this question.
Much of the important points seem to have been excluded and conveniently forgotten in the Synod discussions as also the many voices of fear that this gathering has silenced.
As a start and a startling example I would like to remind bishop Renate that Moses owe his life to five women, not four!
How can we forget that the daughter of Pharao was the one to pull Moses from the waters of death and from his basket tomb just like God pulled Jesus from death and his tomb in the garden. She is the fifth element, the fifth woman.
Why is this important? A part from the obvious that she contrasts the murderous Pharao and that she receives a son without conceiving just like Mary, the mother of God - Theotokos - she also fulfills the baptism through death to life of Moses, a priestly task, and thus connects Mary as Mother of God, to her priestly position in the church. Did she not say she was a servant of God? She who gave birth to God, who was at the Cross and who was one of the first to see the risen Christ.
She and Mary the towering Magdalen, our sister, who carried the news of the renewed life to the cowering disciples were they not the first in the long succession of priestly women?
And their namesake Maryam, the sister of Moses, who like Mary the Magdalen, carried the news of life renewed to those who were in hiding.
Were they not all women?
Jesus called and sent Mary the Magdalen to preach and teach the Resurrection. Death has no more dominion, chava - life - the new Eve take her place as priest and servant. Did not Jesus already from the Cross establish the motherhood of his Mother Mary to all disciples, then send Mary the Magdalen to proclaim and teach as priest, sister and mother?
Could really a male take this place and embody this?
Let us look again at this.
The women were greeted by the angels at the grave and went and told also the men. But they didn't believe.
We should of course still include men since two of them still ran to the grave and actually were allowed to look into the grave and it is written that those two then believed even if the Bible also points out how they all disbelieved not only once but twice, as the story of Thomas repeat the narrative. A reminder that the repetition, as we all know, is a way of pointing out the weakness of men concerning faith. Yet another sign that priesthood belongs with woman and woman alone.
It was only after the men at the empty tomb had left and gone home that Jesus chose to call and send a woman to teach the Resurrection. The men needed to wait for their turn to meet him, to know their natural but dignified place. And as we see with Peter, who was given a chance to repent from his betrayal and lack of faith, he was then given the practical task of working to provide food and take care of livestock like sheep while women preach the important Gospel, the Good News of the Resurrection.
Cont>>>
Part II (of 2)
It's important to get this right. Women teach, preach administer baptism etc as Scriptures show us.
The motherhood as more than birthgivers is an important part of priesthood. How could a man embody that, symbolize that?
Finally I would like to repeat the obvious.
A woman gave Jesus, God incarnated, to the world preimaged earlier by the daughter of Pharaoh and today by every woman who is a priest. Whom but a woman could give our Lord, present in the bread on the altar, to the world? A man?! No, as you actually correctly pointed out, that could give an erronious image and therefore erronious teachings and ideas, weaking our godgiven likeness.
No man can embody a priest. Even if a group states that the Bible does not hinder ordination for men, it is clear that a man can not respresent what his nature prevents.
Priests should be women only.
To emphasize that this is in our very nature let us look at our beginnings and the teaching that the Church derived from that narrative from the very vibrant beginnings when mother Spirit taught us in flames of varm light.
The man was not the last created, woman was. And we all know the last shall be the first as Jesus taught. The man blamed God for sending a woman to support him in his lonely situation - lack of faith again - and then he blamed the woman. But the woman showed that she knew the deception did not originate from God nor from humanity but from the snake.
God explained to Eve the consequences of the fall. Giving life would cause pain just like Jesus would carry pain to give us eternal life. But God also predicted that men would answer women's desire to stand face to face, as companions, with a desire to dominate. This we have also seen through history.
Adam that, by his own admission, had eaten the fruit given to him even though he had himself heard God's instruction not to, caused the earth, the very ground to be cursed. Therefore we needed a second Adam to be a man. That is why Jesus was male. Jesus, the new Adam, perfectly listens to God, where the old Adam lacked faith and did not.
But there's more. The first born son of Adam and Eve, Cain, got jealous and God taught him that he should dominate sin because sin desires to be his companion in life otherwise. But instead he chooses to dominate his younger brother Abel and kills him.
The desire to dominate others causes the third curse and this is the curse on the one who sins, who dominate others, who seek power.
Ever since, the male is prone to try to dominate others instead of dominating sin. A weakness akin to that of lack of faith already mentioned. Flighty is man.
Can we really let men be priests when we know this? After the warning God gave? We are not yet in heaven, we are still in this world and subject to the consequences of the fall, even if Jesus did change the trajectory.
For all our safety, let us heed God's warning and the role God gave to men, repeated by Jesus. Adam was told he was to work and sweat for the earth to yield food unless fallen to sin, then not even that. Peter, the disciple, was told to feed and take care of livestock like Abel. That is the sacred and dignified role of men. To work and sweat for food and to take care of livestock.
Today men might even have whitecollar jobs where they don't have to sweat. Some might say that is unwise or even unbiblical. Some warn us that by working until sweat they are hindered, at least to some extent, to fall into that pattern of violent domination, lack of faith and sin that tempt men especially. We should not go against what God herself ordered and be unwise in our divinely ordained motherhood in this question.
Therefore I urge you to change this unwise decision and trial.
To your proposition I say: Non placet.
@lenarsa66 Isn't the malepriesthood literally a "whitecollar" job?
Viva Mama Martha!
Very good!!!
I love it!! Yes. Let’s give men a chance 😅😉
Genial was ihr da auf die Beine gestellt habt! Deutsch wäre noch besser für mich.
Muttican ist hier: ua-cam.com/video/FRTDoUnoGD0/v-deo.html
Hilarious!