Miniatures Star Wars games from FFG (Legion/Armada/X-Wing) are under Atomic Mass Games now (another company under Asmodee, they are the guys behind Marvel Crisis Protocol). AMG released Shatterpoint, which is basically Marvel Crisis Protocol with a Star Wars twist on it. Legion and Shatterpoint models are not at the same scale, so not really compatible sadly.. It is not a FFG decision to switch the miniatures games over to AMG, and to release another game "similar" to legion... It's more of a managing decision from Asmodee and a desire from AMG to produce their own Star Wars game rather than continuing FFG's. They focus more on hobby compared to FFG in general. You are right, it is weird to sell two similar model lines that are not compatible.. Now, Star wars Unlimited is great, played at two prerelease events last weekend. Hoping the community and FFG will support the game properly!
Very nice I had a blast at my prerelease. Only down side was they set it up the same day they were having a fallout commanders release party so we ended up being a second thought even to the guy running the prerelease.
I have been playing SWU for 9 months, and I will say it’s a great game. There are a lot of factors whether it will survive, but it’s fun, highly recommend
so was destiny but mismanagement/powercreep killed it never trust fantasy flight. this is from someone that played destiny. game of thrones, l5r. they killed them all.
What do you mean by bear market? It seems to me people are buying as much as they can of Lorcana and Pokemon. I don t know much about MTG but I m not sure TCGs are in a bear market now
Actually the tough thing with TCGs seems to be that people don't necessarily even search for good games. They can do with decent and even rather bad and derivative games they just have to find any marginal reason to become invested. Like there's fresh gameplay systems out there by comparatively trustworthy publishers but most people will badmouth them without a second thought. And well yeah SWU will certainly be decent. But like you say the IP is rather boring and entering the market at this point is asking to fail, really not sure what to take from this.
your mic is alot better in this video! I think this star wars game looks cool, but its priced a little high, and it will most likely fail like the last 10 star wars games.
Don't care about Star Wars, dont like Fantasy Flight, and new TCGs are not something I'm interested in if I don't like the IP or the gameplay ia actually interesting (like Decipher's Lord of the Rings). Also, the competitive scene must be REALLY good, for people to care and gather at LGS.. at least if gameplay isn't apecial (or multiplayer).
Not to be that guy, but the way you use speculation vs. investing is wrong. The distinction is with speculation is that it's putting money into a commodity and hoping it goes up, investing on the other hand is putting money into a productive asset that can change with time. As such, you can not invest in a card, you can only speculate, but you are right that pump and dump hype speculation is worse than long term speculation based on health of the game.
There's so much competition among TCGs and only so many fans of card games. I think Lorcana might grow the pool of TCG collectors and players, but a good many of those will probably just stick with Lorcana. Tough market!
Lorcana would be nothing without disney ip. Plain and simple. Make it generic fantasy or something not so popular and ppl would not like the gameplay. Truth.
Im in NY n the vibe im gettin is ppl arent happy with sw unlimiteds art n how they are love dbs fusion worlds n optcg is sold out but i use my lgs so i dont worry.I MIGHT START Playing pokemon n or magic if op falls off
I don’t understand why so many mtg content creators have been saying we are in a recession or bear market for years. The fact is, we simply aren’t and overall sales on games is incredible still. I think Star Wars unlimited will do pretty well as I had a ton of interest
@@spudshq3372 Honestly, you can't say it's the market.. It's Wizards being retarded with poor storylines and conclusions, constant-terrible decisions, etc.
I think your spot on with Fantasy flight. Every tcg they touch dies. I have all of the their L5R cards and some of the Star Wars dice game. I remember them nearly killing UFS back in the day. So given it's makers history I am going to be really careful buying in despite how much I like Star Wars.
I've heard you talk about this a lot but the way you phrased it in this video makes it sound the dumbest you've ever said it. Why the fuck should the government care about the prices and market of collectibles when weighing whether they should help support out of work people during a (hopefully) once in a lifetime pandemic, when the companies who employed them sure aren't gonna keep them alive. Besides the fact that if we had better social safety nets and regulation to keep people a base level of fed, healthy, and housed. People who share your view of economics and libertarianism really are something. You really think the government should have considered this specific niche of the market in decisions like these? Wild.
I agree that some of the higher income households didn't need the extra expendable income especially when they were more likely to be able to work from home but then people of your same view would complain that it wasn't "fair" so ilar to student loan relief.
When did I say the government should care about collectibles or even mention anything remotely like that? I specifically said that injecting free money with no care or foresight into the economy crashed many markets, destroyed peoples' savings and inflated away so much wealth, as well as causing dutch tuliping and out of control speculation - which in turn caused idiot manufactures like WotC to try and exploit the short term insanity. It is going to take years now before we have any stability in ANY market, especially things like housing. And bite me with the "supporting workers out of work" because of the pandemic, that was a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of fraud that happened because of free money. The poor suffered the most because of these policies and the rich and corrupt made out like bandits. Housing and food are now not affordable BECAUSE of these idiotic policies. But yeah, blame libertarianism (which I am really not a true libertarian)... we sure are something wanting responsible government....
nice talk, but you should not probably say it was free money from gvt responsible..it was twice 3K over 3 years period...not breaking the overall personal finance!
This game, much like every Star Wars Game...is dead on arrival. The costs for rights to produce it are so high that it eats up all the profits. And to be honest...lets review all the previous Star Wars Games, regardless of board game, dice game, card game or miniatures game, they have all been short lived. Usually they release a low number of product wave one, attempt to build hype and hunger from game store owners and online sellers by causing a shortage of product. Then they mass print wave two, and the retailers jump the gun and buy more than they can handle and the stuff sits on the shelf and watches the next 3x star wars games come and go and eventually join them on the shelves of dead product as the company (especially Asmodee) creates a product, force feeds it, takes the cash flow from release wave 2 and then dumps the game never to support it again. Often times trading off the rights to the Star Wars franchise to another company for a year, just to use that as a scape goat, and just to take it back in a year or two and repeat the same crap. I avoided it at all cost, my closest two competitors brought in about 1k worth each wholesale, and their release nights had less than 5 folks each. Not a good start, from a company that is notorious for failing and abandoning its product lines and doing mass dumps on amazon under an alias.
I disagree, there is a lot of hype for this game locally and a lot of the preorders are sold out. I’m excited and I think you are underestimating the Star Wars license.
A local shop is one thing, events come and go. But when you get 20 motivated players, and 4 boxes of cards...and no chance for a restock, and wave to is unclear... it is unlikely to get a large following, if it survives past this year. Just my opinion. And was turned off when I asked to place a 10k order for it...and the distributor told me I would be lucky to get 4 cases..And come shipping time, they offered me 2 cases...I can not do anything as a shop with two cases...except piss off customers.@@rawkyle9385
Miniatures Star Wars games from FFG (Legion/Armada/X-Wing) are under Atomic Mass Games now (another company under Asmodee, they are the guys behind Marvel Crisis Protocol).
AMG released Shatterpoint, which is basically Marvel Crisis Protocol with a Star Wars twist on it. Legion and Shatterpoint models are not at the same scale, so not really compatible sadly..
It is not a FFG decision to switch the miniatures games over to AMG, and to release another game "similar" to legion... It's more of a managing decision from Asmodee and a desire from AMG to produce their own Star Wars game rather than continuing FFG's. They focus more on hobby compared to FFG in general. You are right, it is weird to sell two similar model lines that are not compatible..
Now, Star wars Unlimited is great, played at two prerelease events last weekend. Hoping the community and FFG will support the game properly!
Very nice I had a blast at my prerelease. Only down side was they set it up the same day they were having a fallout commanders release party so we ended up being a second thought even to the guy running the prerelease.
Interesting video and review. Im digging this product so far. Thanks for sharing!
I have been playing SWU for 9 months, and I will say it’s a great game. There are a lot of factors whether it will survive, but it’s fun, highly recommend
so was destiny but mismanagement/powercreep killed it never trust fantasy flight. this is from someone that played destiny. game of thrones, l5r. they killed them all.
It's like when stock are low, you buy and ride the wave to the top.
This game is actually really good. Everyone I know who has done the prerelease has had a blast and cant wait to get their hands on more cards.
What do you mean by bear market? It seems to me people are buying as much as they can of Lorcana and Pokemon. I don t know much about MTG but I m not sure TCGs are in a bear market now
The game is amazing!!!
Actually the tough thing with TCGs seems to be that people don't necessarily even search for good games. They can do with decent and even rather bad and derivative games they just have to find any marginal reason to become invested. Like there's fresh gameplay systems out there by comparatively trustworthy publishers but most people will badmouth them without a second thought.
And well yeah SWU will certainly be decent. But like you say the IP is rather boring and entering the market at this point is asking to fail, really not sure what to take from this.
Camera is top notch! Wish this art grabbed me cause the gameplay looks fun
For better or worse the cards look like they're from 25 years ago to me.
your mic is alot better in this video! I think this star wars game looks cool, but its priced a little high, and it will most likely fail like the last 10 star wars games.
It’s fantasy flight so I want to say no but they have done all the marketing right by using only Star Wars not Disney wars
Don't care about Star Wars, dont like Fantasy Flight, and new TCGs are not something I'm interested in if I don't like the IP or the gameplay ia actually interesting (like Decipher's Lord of the Rings).
Also, the competitive scene must be REALLY good, for people to care and gather at LGS.. at least if gameplay isn't apecial (or multiplayer).
in your opinion, how is Heavy Hitters doing in the market? better or worse than the recent trend of Flesh and Blood?
not as good as Dynasty, better than Bright Lights
Yeah we know how fell fantasy flights does with Star Wars. Everything has died
Not to be that guy, but the way you use speculation vs. investing is wrong. The distinction is with speculation is that it's putting money into a commodity and hoping it goes up, investing on the other hand is putting money into a productive asset that can change with time. As such, you can not invest in a card, you can only speculate, but you are right that pump and dump hype speculation is worse than long term speculation based on health of the game.
This game seems to be 10 years to late.
There's so much competition among TCGs and only so many fans of card games. I think Lorcana might grow the pool of TCG collectors and players, but a good many of those will probably just stick with Lorcana. Tough market!
Both pokemon and yugioh are both over 10 billion in tcg cards alone. Mtg is smaller and localised to north America.
The bear is over dude 😂😂😂
Karlov Manor disagrees with you.
@@roguedeckbuilder karlov is just a garbage product 😂
The only good SW game died a long time ago when Decipher lost the license. RIP SW CCG
RIP Decipher
Lorcana would be nothing without disney ip. Plain and simple. Make it generic fantasy or something not so popular and ppl would not like the gameplay. Truth.
Im in NY n the vibe im gettin is ppl arent happy with sw unlimiteds art n how they are love dbs fusion worlds n optcg is sold out but i use my lgs so i dont worry.I MIGHT START Playing pokemon n or magic if op falls off
I don’t understand why so many mtg content creators have been saying we are in a recession or bear market for years. The fact is, we simply aren’t and overall sales on games is incredible still.
I think Star Wars unlimited will do pretty well as I had a ton of interest
MTG is not doing so hot that's why. Other than the universe beyond sets, others crash and if there are profits they are minimal.
@@spudshq3372 Honestly, you can't say it's the market.. It's Wizards being retarded with poor storylines and conclusions, constant-terrible decisions, etc.
I think your spot on with Fantasy flight. Every tcg they touch dies. I have all of the their L5R cards and some of the Star Wars dice game. I remember them nearly killing UFS back in the day. So given it's makers history I am going to be really careful buying in despite how much I like Star Wars.
You are still going to buy into this game though aren’t you?
@metallicflare1 I'll wait till after set 3 and access the situation.
@@audrisampsonsmart!
@metallicflare1 been burned too many times by FFG.
@@audrisampsonlorcana would be the smart buy
i got 1 booster box, if it become worthless oh well, won't be anywhere close to the amount i lost on Rudy's metazoo pump and dump
Flesh and Blood was always going to fail.
Lorcana could be the best gameplay TCG in the world, but I would never touch it because of the IP.
Whaaaaaat?! Lorcana is one of the most basic games that copied Magic among other things lol its meant for kids tho. Have you played other TCGs?
I've heard you talk about this a lot but the way you phrased it in this video makes it sound the dumbest you've ever said it. Why the fuck should the government care about the prices and market of collectibles when weighing whether they should help support out of work people during a (hopefully) once in a lifetime pandemic, when the companies who employed them sure aren't gonna keep them alive. Besides the fact that if we had better social safety nets and regulation to keep people a base level of fed, healthy, and housed. People who share your view of economics and libertarianism really are something. You really think the government should have considered this specific niche of the market in decisions like these? Wild.
I agree that some of the higher income households didn't need the extra expendable income especially when they were more likely to be able to work from home but then people of your same view would complain that it wasn't "fair" so ilar to student loan relief.
When did I say the government should care about collectibles or even mention anything remotely like that? I specifically said that injecting free money with no care or foresight into the economy crashed many markets, destroyed peoples' savings and inflated away so much wealth, as well as causing dutch tuliping and out of control speculation - which in turn caused idiot manufactures like WotC to try and exploit the short term insanity. It is going to take years now before we have any stability in ANY market, especially things like housing. And bite me with the "supporting workers out of work" because of the pandemic, that was a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of fraud that happened because of free money. The poor suffered the most because of these policies and the rich and corrupt made out like bandits. Housing and food are now not affordable BECAUSE of these idiotic policies. But yeah, blame libertarianism (which I am really not a true libertarian)... we sure are something wanting responsible government....
nice talk, but you should not probably say it was free money from gvt responsible..it was twice 3K over 3 years period...not breaking the overall personal finance!
Don't forget the massive amount of unemployment benefits people were getting.
This game, much like every Star Wars Game...is dead on arrival. The costs for rights to produce it are so high that it eats up all the profits. And to be honest...lets review all the previous Star Wars Games, regardless of board game, dice game, card game or miniatures game, they have all been short lived. Usually they release a low number of product wave one, attempt to build hype and hunger from game store owners and online sellers by causing a shortage of product. Then they mass print wave two, and the retailers jump the gun and buy more than they can handle and the stuff sits on the shelf and watches the next 3x star wars games come and go and eventually join them on the shelves of dead product as the company (especially Asmodee) creates a product, force feeds it, takes the cash flow from release wave 2 and then dumps the game never to support it again. Often times trading off the rights to the Star Wars franchise to another company for a year, just to use that as a scape goat, and just to take it back in a year or two and repeat the same crap. I avoided it at all cost, my closest two competitors brought in about 1k worth each wholesale, and their release nights had less than 5 folks each. Not a good start, from a company that is notorious for failing and abandoning its product lines and doing mass dumps on amazon under an alias.
I disagree, there is a lot of hype for this game locally and a lot of
the preorders are sold out. I’m excited and I think you are underestimating the Star Wars license.
A local shop is one thing, events come and go. But when you get 20 motivated players, and 4 boxes of cards...and no chance for a restock, and wave to is unclear... it is unlikely to get a large following, if it survives past this year. Just my opinion. And was turned off when I asked to place a 10k order for it...and the distributor told me I would be lucky to get 4 cases..And come shipping time, they offered me 2 cases...I can not do anything as a shop with two cases...except piss off customers.@@rawkyle9385
do not believe the hype it never lasts history says star wars games always fail and fantasy flight makes sure they do.
Fantasy Flight -- singular. 😊