top 10 saddest anime endings Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed the video! If anyone has any other specific questions about learning Japanese with Duolingo, feel free to ask, and I'll try my best to answer! EDIT: 3 YEARS OF JAPANESE PROGRESS UPDATE IS OUT, this time, I actually speak Japanese: ua-cam.com/video/JVAcg1FuyOY/v-deo.html EDIT: 4 Year version as well lol: ua-cam.com/video/MQ-NZVj5cL8/v-deo.html Fifth one is coming soon as well!
i need help, i can't get pass the New york part, the question was to say new york in japanese (ニューヨーク) so i type ニューヨーク clearly the same and it says no, i wrote it correctly, there's no mistake but i still get rejected, i know the use of the big ユ and small ュ and i the hiragana of ニ and the number 二 duolingo still rejects me
@@biku3628 if you're having issues with some specific sentence, it doesn't hurt to just copy paste the correct solution. Not sure if you can do that on mobile, but on the browser version you can.
I really wish that Duolingo didn't force you to stick to the lesson order. Sometimes I want to brush up on a specific part of Swedish, and would rather not go through the entire course up until that point.
Whenever I make a new course I instantly go to the last checkpoint and memorise what they and after about 50 try’s I memorised it and complete it so I can access any part I wish
Think the best plan is to just find a native speaker who is willing to talk to you in the language youre learning. Thats how a friend of mine did it, he had finished swedish on duolingo, but in the end he learned way more and faster just speaking with me, sure sometimes he had to resort to english to make a point across, but atleast then he learned more vocabulary. I have Started leaning away from duolingo, and more to Lingodeer, cus their japanese course is way better imo, has example sentences, how to build sentences, how the grammar works. It prob is better cus its teachers who developed it. Sadly lingodeer doesnt have alot of languages, mainly eastasian countries, and some regular luke german/french etc.
Duolingo is like a crazy ex that won’t stop messaging you to come back. Even playing mind games “these notifications don’t seem to be working so we won’t send you anymore”. 2 hours later “duo misses you!”.
@@doritos6548 trust me, I'm russian but even in Russia we're not completely sure how do you pronounce different letters Especially when it comes to vowels Just....trust me
@Rainbow Dickhead when i was in my 5th grade, my friends begun russian class with "Caesar, morituri te salutant" (Caesar, those who are going to die greet you) phrase
@Rainbow Dickhead bc Russians don't pronounce unstressed letters, like if you have stressed "о", it will sound as "o", but is it is unstressed, it will sound as "a"
@@doritos6548 Yeah, but I feel like that's completely unnecessary work and time you use when you could do a simple rundown of what each letter would be in the Latin alphabet. So you could use your time to then learn the words, instead of wasting it trying to guess what sounds the letters make...
I've always treated Duolingo more like a little supplement. I didn't think it would be suitable as a main resource . More like a kickstarter and then a way to practice some when I don't have as much time. It does have it's pros even though it's a bit lacking.
I've used Duolingo as a main resource in several languages. It works. You won't find an app better at drilling vocabulary. It's not as monotone as flash-card type systems, it has some grammar and flow in it, and depending on the language audio with different voices. At the beginning you just have to spent the time to drill that stuff, and that makes following other resources easier later. I've heard Americans that use Duolingo almost exclusively to learn my native language, and they are wayyy better than even those who study the language in University.
@@no3ironman11100the thing I've heard the most is to first study kana (see tofugu). Then expand your vocab and kanji with WaniKani/Flaming Durtles, and get some grammar skills with the Genki textbooks.
Duolingo is like half of a language of half your journey I’d say. It gets you prepared to be proficient enough to converse with people to a good extent. The other part is you watching television series, listening to songs of the language, and conversing. Trust me I’ve learned two weeks more in Spanish with Duo than in my college course. 🤣
I unironically think that having single sentences hidden between the rest is really useful as it makes you question whether you *really* did understand the sentence ("does it *REALLY* say that? wow"). IF you're lucky enough that the foreign sentence pops up first and not the english one. Because then the "questioning yourself" part falls flat on its face.
Not only am I fluent in English since it's my first ever language, I, too, today just discovered that "pare" means "to trim." Probably because it's an older term
@@EresirThe1st thank you so much, I was a KP in kitchens for about 5 years and never knew why it was called that. To trim the potatoes, it makes so much sense now, I also a native speaker of English for all 23 years of my life have never learned of the word “pare”
I used it for about a year, learned a lot, got far through the course, AND THEN IT CHANGED ALL OF THE LESSONS AND STARTED ME AT THE BEGINNING. It wouldn’t even let me switch back to the lesson I was on. Definitely very angry after that one
I used to use Duolingo a lot for Spanish, it helped me a lot. After some time though, things got kinda boring and I wasn't really making much progress so I quit Duolingo to some extent. A few months later and I started using Duolingo again and I love it! Duolingo definitely can't make you proficient in a language, but it is very helpful for learning the basics of a language! After a point things get repetitive on Duolingo, but it is very useful for starting off! Before I joined Duolingo, I had an F in Spanish. Now a few years later, I have an A in Spanish! :D Of course, I used some vocabulary lists from websites and Spanish Dictionary, so Duolingo wasn't the only thing I used, but still Duolingo is very helpful!
Generally (from my experience) languages in school are just beginner phrases and sentences, you'll maybe do like 3 sentences then talk about summin else for another 3 sentences as a test which is perfect considering duolingo does nearly the same thing, I feel like schools and duolingo only stick to beginner and maybe lower lower fluency but that's all I really got out of Duolingo and School, generally the best way to learn is with multiple resources (duolingo can be included) and with people, when i learned japanese for 8-12 months I started texting japanese people, that really helped me due to the fact that texting/talking to people from that language gives you a big advantage over anything duolingo could really provide, great for newbies tho!
With my ADHD, I just have lapses of attention and accidentally put 'woman' instead of 'orange' into the missing gaps when I am thinking of 'woman' (bad example, don't judge). It's almost as if I'm not entering what I think is the right translation, rather what I subconsciously want the translation to be. Or something.
What he said: "Japanese is too complex to learn from a simple app like duolingo." What weebs heard: "Keep watching anime. You'll learn it better this way."
You can use anime as a supplemental practice resource. I'll often watch anime or live-action TV shows / read manga to put my japanese knowledge to an actual practical use. You can't learn japanese from anime, but japanese media is an invaluable resource.
I learned Korean from watching kdramas and variety shows and listening to Korean music so I would say that Immersion (which is what watching anime would be) is definitely better than just Duolingo. Listening to the language being used in meaningful and real world ways is probably the most important thing if you want to become conversational in a language. Though becoming advanced requires extensive reading in addition.
Getting over two years of content with a learning platform seems like a massive success to me. It might not be the ideal way for a highly motivated student to learn, but for an average person, the motivational tricks they use make it worthwhile. Good review!
I finished the Japanese course in 11 months. And it's much longer now. I definitely learned a lot of vocabulary. I don't think anything should be your only tool for learning. Now that I know a decent amount of vocabulary watching anime seems pretty productive.
I hate the heart system. You take time out of your day to practice, but if you make enough mistakes you have to wait a long time before you can practice again, and mistakes is a great teacher. Its a real non-motivator for learning.
Plus, it doesn't make any sense from a monetary perspective being that if you're on the free version (paid has infinite hearts), they're making bank with ads they throw at you after every lesson. I've been on their free trial for the last week and I think I would have given up on the app by now if I'd have had to deal with the heart system.
I started taking duolingo JP because i already follow a lot of Japanese content creators, and it’s a really cool experience noticing that I’m starting to understand certain characters and sentences, but being able to read some phrases doesn’t mean you can understand them. Duolingo is a bit difficult in that aspect
I remember when I started learning Portuguese, Duolingo gave me the sentence "os gatos não bebem cerveja" and I was like, ah yes... a sentence we all use daily... The cats don't drink beer.
"i am here to learn japanese, not play the game that is duolingo" Thank you for reminding me of this. I got so hooked on points and all that when why im here is for the language learning. This will also help in the future to prevent cost fallacy to happen to me
I literally just commented a really similar thing. I wish you could opt out of things like the league tables. I end up sitting there repeating the timed challenges for several hours just over and over repeating what I already know so I can be first place and getting super competitive then realising I haven’t learnt anything new in days because I’m just trying to win first place I wish you could just be like “nope, opt out of this bit”
I currently have a 68 day streak and I can’t bring myself to break it, I enjoy duolingo but sometimes I realise that I don’t learn much from it, I try to watch UA-cam videos and write as much as I can down but it’s difficult when you’re learning by yourself
I just spent a lot of time this week trying to keep up with these people who spend all their time on duolingo... Like, I have assignments and other things I rather be doing so I need to let the leaderboard go before it consumes me.
@@commentbot9510 I’m just as bad. I once competed against someone who made 6500XP in a week on tje leaderboard. I hate the stupid thing. I get upset if I drop out of the top ten and don’t get to progress onto the next level even though none of it actually matters
@@josie5670 I feel this - rank 1 in my current leaderboard is up to almost 9000 xp. I was obsessively chasing him but then I decided not to look at the leaderboard at all and just do the lesson whenever I want. I've got nothing to gain even if I win.
@@armandonavarro2665 same, I became relatively proficient in italian and german through duolingo, but learned absolutely nothing with japanese, korean, and arabic
@@armandonavarro2665 Duolingo also doesn't teach grammar rules. In Dutch, I noticed some words with "de" as their article and some with "het". I didn't know there were two different grammatical genders until I googled.
I think its really important to know what your goals are and what you want to do. Starting duolingo is fine, but continue duolingo because you feel like you dont want to lose your streak is just not worth it for me. There are many ways of learning language that are way more interesting than something you already do.
Me identifico completamente, literally, Duo esta con eso de que hagas una lección diaria si o si, al inicio es todo genial pero luego no, ya que uno incluso termina el curso y te sigue mandando notificaciones para que practiques y es muy... molesto
You're only afraid to lose your streak as long as you think you want to learn that language and that Duolingo is a good tool for it. And Duolingo is always better than doing nothing - and nothing is the default for most people. Not many people can commit to study material in books every day for a couple of years.
I used duolingo when I started with japanese because I had no idea how to begin with learning japanese. But after some months I found many other ways to study japanese so I slowly stopped learning with duolingo. Duolingo is good in the beginning
I think this is the best review of Duolingo. I’ve been contemplating on finding another tool to learning languages, but realized my learning style is super casual. I’ll stick to it for now because I like how it keeps me entertained and educated just enough. I will probably switch to another software if I ever find myself more committed to intense learning.
Thank you! I’m almost two years in on my Japanese Duolingo. With my ADHD, I’m scared to stop using it, because the 600+ streak is the only thing keeping me coming back consistently. I know it’s not very effective, and I usually find myself doing one of the early lessons just to keep the streak going, but I do enjoy the process. I felt so much pride while watching “Letters from Iwo Jima” and translating some of the non-subtitled conversations for my husband! Despite the 2-year timeline, my bare-minimum approach still just has me on “where is the bathroom?” phrases. I’ll try out some of your resources once my brain can fixate on language learning again. I’m doing it for fun, and I’m sure I could buckle down if I knew I was going to be visiting Japan. I appreciate the gentle “I really committed to this and was able to move on” message. My heart sank at your 0-day streak haha!
Like, I know said you're doing it 'for fun' but TWO entire years on that app? Firstly, I can't imagine it's fun for you any longer, secondly, how did you not realise you weren't progressing sooner? If I was still being taught the phrase for 'where is the bathroom' after 2 MONTHS I think I'd have moved onto to something else.
@@futurez12 It's almost 3 years in, and I still have the streak going. Frankly, it's the mix of serotonin seeing that number creep up, and knowing that I haven't given up yet that keeps me going. Duolingo also created more classes, and it has been a big help with the Hiragana. I can sort of sound out words in Japanese now, with barely any effort practice-wise. Surprisingly, it is still kind of fun. It's not for everyone, and that's fine. You may have heard that "even cleaning for 5 minutes makes your house cleaner than it was before." That's the approach I'm taking with learning Japanese. I could buckle down and learn it, but then I'd have to give up some of my other passions to do so. For now, I'm happy with the bare minimum. I'm looking forward to my weirdo brain deciding to prioritize it again!
@@katuni08 That's good that you're aware of what's going on in your mind, but honestly, that's not a good sign. The fact that you're _waiting_ for the motivation almost certainly means that it isn't there and isn't likely to come. Great if you're having fun and don't care about that. Nothing wrong with that. 👍
@@futurez12 That's kind of just how ADHD works. That motivation comes out of nowhere really and hits like a truck. Once I'm in a state of hyperfixation, it'll be the only thing on my mind and it's obsessive. I've had two phases of hyperfixation on Japanese that both lasted about a month. And it was day in and out none stop learning. Literally everything I wanted to do had to have some way to help me learn. But the sad thing about hyperfixations is once they pass the motivation goes back to zero. And then it becomes a waiting game for that burst of energy to come back. It's really not the worst though. Cycles of hyperfixations is how I learned to play the piano. Atleast in my experience, once I fixate on something it'll always come back later.
I’m brazilian and I tried learning italian through the portuguese-italian course but the translations were so broken that I quit halfway through. I then decided to try the english-italian course and completed it. In other words, the lessons were so broken that I found easier to learn through my secondary language than my native one.
Duolingo courses are like Wiki pages, they're maintained by wannabe translators who have a poor understanding of even their own language. I find anything but the Spanish course awful in duolingo
“There’s nothing to lose.” I have a caveat here. Some language courses are so broken (Irish, Swahili, Chinese) that it could teach you incorrect information, which could be hard to unlearn.
Just came across a chinese sentence today that, according to the forums, used the wrong measure word; it really is shocking how generally unreliable the courses are - not just in terms of making mistakes, but also in general inconsistency: you will never understand the meaning and difference between が and は in case you are also learning from elsewhere as they so often forget to accept both. Yet at the same time it still remains one of the best free resources in terms of content available and accessibility: it is probably better value than みんなの日本語 as it covers multiple books worth of material and you can practice the questions as many times as you want; any new grammar rules that may be confusing and unclear (which is often the case) can be well explained by others in the forums.
@@edmundironside9435 As dougen likes to say though...nobody understands the difference between ga and ha, not even Japanese native speakers XD they just go on instinct
Learning a language is a lifelong thing. There is no easy path. But Duolingo is definitely helping me get started in a way that is motivating. I remember using Rosetta stone about 10 years ago for about 10 days.
My thought exactly because as j learn new sentences i learn variations of these sentences but they dont teach the individual words in the sentence and that makes it confusing to tell what is saying what
very true. i learned a bit of mandarin there and its hard to figure out how the grammar works when they only teach you what a specific word means without trying to understand that a word can mean different if you place it wrong. Three days and im out.
Whenever I find myself in that situation, I look it up online and usually I can find an answer to why the grammar is acting a certain way, and then I come back to Duolingo with some understanding
Duolingo does have a grammar section, but since they updated to the crowns system a few years ago it became a bit hidden away behind some clicks and scrolls while before it was just in your face as you were to start a lesson, it could be ignored, but not missed. Although have in mind that I'm talking based on my own experience with the languages I tried which Japanese isn't one of them, so it might not have much, but I doubt that it has nothing at all.
There is a Tips section, and some courses have very detailed explanations of the grammar but for some bizarre reason they don’t implement it on mobile.
As a native english speaker i can tell you that I'm honestly starting to get sick of how stupid english's unwritten rules (and spelling in general) are.
"I'm here to learn the language... not to play the game of duolingo." This is very insightful. The gamefication of a goal has the unintended side effect of the game reward becoming more important than the actual goal. (Probably worth thinking about this in relation to teaching/testing/grading in general.)
2 years later, I still think the points you made about the issues of duolingo are very applicable. But one thing they did right was introduce new features that amplify their usefulness to absolute beginners, like the hiragana/katakana drill sections. Really helped me familiarise myself with the characters faster early on.
800 Days?! My mom was there 1001 days using duolinguo to learn English and didn’t learn much, she end up taking a course in King’s College and learned English in 7 weeks
The fact she already "learned" a bunch on duolingo means it was probably pretty easy for her to pick it up 'properly' in another method. One problem with learning w/duolingo is you can usually match pairs just by just by looking at one of the 'letters' in a word
The advice for those who learns Russian with duolingo: quite the course immediately. It wont help you anyhow: you wont learn endings, word’s gender, suffixes and prefixes with this app. I am russian and i decided to take duolingo course for fun and 30% of sentences had wrong translations. Just an advice that if you want to learn russian normal - watch youtube videos about people who know language and can give you advices on learning. Sorry for my english
Yeah, Duolingo is a mixed bag in general. I don’t recommend using just Duolingo for any language since the sentence structure and formation abilities of it are very questionable, but it is very useful for keeping your ass grinding, which is an extremely useful skill for language learning. Early on it’s good, but honestly if you’ve got a month or two of consecutive Japanese down from Duolingo I’d suggest dropping it. For learning a language in similar language structure(ie English to German), I’d say it’s good to give more time with it.
I've been wanting to learn German for some time, as it would be my third language and here in the east/south Europe it's generally used as much as English, and this comment motivated me to try and actually learn it because both English and Serbian, two languages I'd say I'm fluent in, are kinda similar to German so it should be even easier for me to learn it xd
I also am on my third day of learning Japanese. Thing is I’m struggling to memorise the greetings part since Duolingo doesn’t even introduce some of it slowly, it just gets you straight into it which I find really difficult and infuriating to do. The tips help me more sometimes more than the actual practices. I’m just hoping writing everything down as I learn will help me ^^
I use duolingo, it’s good to study new vocabulary. also remember the alphabet. But it’s not good to know the grammar. And don’t think you can just use anime for study japanese. I recommend japanese movie or drama not anime or manga. You can see the real life conversation. For start to learn japanese, hiragana and katakana. Master it. Then learn basic grammar. I can say N5 level. Then you can watch japanese drama and study from there. Better is make a japanese friend for practice. I have japanese best friend to video call and practice. They can fix your pronunciation, grammar and correct your sentence to natural way. And about kanji, you can learn by some youtube video. Kanji for 6 years old, 7 years old. It’s good to start. When you learn new words, write both kanji and hiragana. You can see how kanji look like and how to pronounce it by hiragana. NEVER USE ROMAJI. Hope all good for peoples who study japanese
I am in my first month using Duolingo, and all that I can say is exactly same with your point which is to get me started. Fortunately, I'm learning this language with external learning sources like Anki and Kanji Study. Thanks for reminding us that it's okay to break the streak, because in the end of the day, we are here to learn.
We don't also understand grammar so much and so confusing when I was taking Japanese grammar class. Being Japanese student We had to take（●｀ε´●) アニメとマンガと友達出来るともっと早く学べると思いますよ ドラえもんの漫画で漢字を学んだりしてましたー
@@pizzapie7My Japanese was (watch) Anime,(read)Manga and make some Japanese friends will prove your Japanese much faster and fun way.(When I was 3rd grade) I learn Kanji from Dorae-mon and lots of Syojyo Manga. Japanese grammar is sucks for most of Japanese students＼(^o^)／
Yep! The last thing caught my attention. It's so true! Think about why you started! Small progress adds up,bro. And yes, you can always switch to something else to get better. As bro said,duolingo can indeed be a great place to get started.
My brother studied languages at the Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center in California. The pace of study was intense. Students had to master the language course in 36-64 weeks. Psychologically it was very difficult, but fortunately he was helped by Yuriy Ivantsiv's book "Polyglot Notes. Practical tips for learning foreign languages”. The book " Polyglot Notes" became a desk book for my brother, because it has answers to all the problems that any student of a foreign language has to face. Thanks to the author of the channel for this interesting video! Good luck to everyone who studies a foreign language and wants to realize their full potential!
@@ethirium4389 The practical manual clearly describes how to build your learning, how to develop your memory, why you forget how to develop your language skills to automatism, how to create a language environment for yourself, what a cultural shock is, and how to overcome it. As well as many other topical issues that people face when learning a language. Each person throughout his or her life has to deal with different cultures and languages one way or another. Knowledge of language greatly facilitates the interaction of a person with another type of culture, improves social status, provides career growth, provides great opportunities for self-expression and dissemination of ideas, opens up prospects for modern education, improves financial situation, contributes to the achievement of your goals and objectives. However, in the process of learning many people necessarily face difficulties, which they lack experience and necessary knowledge to overcome. This practical manual will become a desktop assistant for a large audience: for those who want to or are already learning a foreign language, do it alone or with a teacher, individually, in a group or educational institution (school, college, university, academy). The workshop will help to structure and organize your individual language learning process and will give you the opportunity to independently determine the methodology of learning a language that will be interesting and not burdensome. The methods presented in the book can be immediately applied in language practice. Each person can choose the method that is interesting and most adapted to him or her, as well as suitable to his or her pace and lifestyle, so that language learning becomes a natural and exciting process.
I worked for a company who was trying to win contract work in support of the Defense Language Institute. It's brutal. Some of their courses are designed to teach members of the military intermediate conversational Arabic, Russian, Chinese, etc. along with intermediate cultural knowledge. Some of the courses involve role-playing hostile situations where the students are having to interrogate someone who doesn't speak English, or decipher intelligence (like seized laptops/notes) in a foreign language. Absolutely intense.
36 to 64 weeks? I am FINISHING level 3 Duolingo Japanese TODAY after using it for about 2.5 months. I will finish level 6 by November or December. LOL Of course I know more Chinese characters than a common Japanese person. LOL LOL Of course, I am using wiktionary, Tae Kim's grammar book, many many other useful websites. I can now understand at least some Japanese news on NHK. It really depends on how hard you study. I use Duolingo as if I am playing my favorite video game. LOL
I'm way beyond beginner so thanks for helping me not waste my time. I'm almost a week in now and I've been finding it tedious and easy at the same time. I really don't like the grammar-translation method
First in the japanese language you have to learn the kana alphabets which take a week at most, but for vocabulary, Anki is a really good app to learn vocabulary, there is also an app called easy japanese, which shows japanese news and you can click on words to see their meaning,
i started learning japanese with duolingo and it was great for learning the letters and such. but once i started getting questions wrong because i didnt use a capital letter, or period, etc, in my english translations, it really made me not even care at all and just want to quit. i should be learning my target language, not how many grammar mistakes i make in my native language. or if i translate a sentence to mean "i close the door." and it says im wrong, its supposed to be "i shut the door.". psh. just super discouraging.
It also doesn't help that Japanese can have parts of the sentence more fluid in order, so long as the verb goes at the end and the particles are right. I remember putting a sentence together and it counted it as wrong even though there was nothing wrong with the sentence I put together. Oh, and we can drop the subject once we know what we are talking about so I find it feels like a big crutch by having us use 私 all the time.
@@graygreysangui yeah one time i put in an answer and it said i was wrong and literally gave me the exact same letter by letter answer as the "correct" example.
The same happened to me when i started using duolingo for Korean. I'm on a line of beginner and intermediate so i really got frustrated when it picked at my english translations
i love duolingo's interface and the way they set things up. the simple and understandable layout, how they test you in many different fields, the little character and motivations that just make it overall feel more friendly and fun to use (rather than just a boring black and white site that has no decoration. duolingos website design just makes me feel happier and more comfortable learning there) hOWEVER. they are very bad at explaining stuff. it took me awhile to figure out that "tips" is where youll be learning what your actually doing. but even then they dont explain everything and i really think they could word stuff to use more understandable words because i have a hard time even making sense of the little blurbs for example, i'm currectly learning dutch and have kept up a consistent streak of 46 days (around 6 weeks) and theres gendered nouns in dutch. masculine, feminine, and neuter. the word "the" can translate into either "de" or "het" depending on the gender of the noun. so "het konijn" is the rabbit and "de olifant" is the elephant. but duolingo explains none of this and just has you guess whether its de or het. and it doesnt teach you the gender of the nouns either. which is horrible considering a lot of other things depend on wether or not the noun is a de or het word, and language needs to build on itself. so you cant just not explain one of the basic building blocks of dutch, the genders of nouns. im using other resources and figuring it out but i definetly think there should be some tool to learn the genders of nouns. especially since a bunch of other languages are like that
that actually works i have been doing that for a while and i have learnt more through anime than duolingo (no hate to the app tho i learnt hindi purely because of it and its great for some other languages)
I have almost a 600 day streak on Duolingo for Japanese. I have used many of the other resources you mentioned as well. My biggest problem with Duolingo is that they try so hard to make the translation exercises so natural in both languages--or at least I think the Japanese version is natural--that they lose the vocabulary and grammar learning almost completely at times. In comparison, Lingo Deer says outright that the English meaning of the sentence will not sound natural, but this was an intentional choice to make you connect to the Japanese language more efficiently. I'm already a native speaker of English, so I don't need it to sound natural, I need to understand the nuance in my targeted language! My second issue with it has to do with the lack of grammar guidance. If I get an answer wrong, could they at least point me to the concepts used in the lesson to help me research it on my own? Sometimes it's fairly obvious like verb tenses, but other times I don't even know how to begin to understand it. Nevertheless I use it at least once a day to ensure that I make a conscious habit to practice Japanese. Not always, but often, practicing on Duo causes me to go off and do my other Japanese study methods--but if I'm not in a good place to sit down with a book and paper, at least having something to do on Duo will keep me from feeling like I lost progress and should quit. I am prone to quitting unless I have a regimented habit.
Hi, I am a beginner and just started with duolingo, once I get comfortable with the basics on duolingo where do you recommend I go next? All of the learning methods are very overwhleming and I am not sure what to pick first after duolingo
This. I have a 200 day streak on Czech, my main problem learning was that Czech has a lot of alternate endings/beginnings to words, but duolingo doesn't actually teach you what you should use and when. For example, Jste, Jsme/jsem, and jsou. I often lost hearts getting these mixed up, and even though I did eventually figure it out, I did so on my own.
I gave up on learning on Duolingo a while ago, I got pretty tired of learning "The woman had a suitcase" in Spanish when all I wanted was to learn how to have a casual conversation. I found this guy yesterday who has really good and thoroughly-explained lessons on Japanese, and he's a much better teacher than Doulingo could ever be.
Japanese Duolingo learning has a come a long way from when this video was made. There are now tons more lessons and just learning Hiragana and Katakana is priceless and a strong key factor for the app. I'm currently on Day 660.
The fact you ended your 800+ streak and you explained everything in a simple yet effective way , is just inspiring the fact you had the dedication and the mentality to move on is really good too Keep up the great work ❤️
Totally agree with your opinion young man. Duolingo needs to be used as a complementary resource, because at the end of the day, is a great way to getting started at the vast language of Japanese. I started my journey of learning this language by starting on Duolingo, and it really felt like an awesome language because of how easy was the beginner lessons, memorizing Hiragana and Katakana was easier than ever. But as you said, the longer you keep with it, the worse it gets. Duolingo is perfect in introducing you the language but to get consisntent and fluent in it, is imposible. I'm currently at 615 days streak, and I just cant let go Duolingo, of course I been forcing myself to use another apliccations like Anki or even reading the newspaper in Japanese, and the difference of understanding and memorizing between Duolingo and another sources (the ones mention before) is tremendous. The bond I have for Duolingo is unmesurable because it was him that want me to get interested in the idiom, and sure it did. Everyday I spent at least 20 min onto learning Japanese, all thanks to Duolingo. It is true that maybe the learning in advanced courses in the aplication tend to not be beneffecial at all, but at least is the spark that starts the fire in the curiosity part of your brain. Duolingo is my friend and my companion until the end of this journey. I'm gonna keep it using because it became a routine for me, and the streak system is what keeps me using it. In my humble opinion for new learners, is to start with Duolingo, and then when you feel that you want more, start adding right away another learning resources, and transform Duolingo into a secondary resource of learning. Duolingo is awesome, but in life we have to keep going, and leave some things behind. Good Luck.
English is my second language and I used to suck pretty bad schoolwise. If you're like me, you'll need to listen and repeat it on a daily basis. Research the words you cannot understand yet, as well as trying to use them as early and as much as possible to form a subconcious understanding. First you'll translate everything from your native language into the language of your choice. You'll copy the grammatical structure sooner or later (learning by the book never did me any good so I talked and read as much as I could find. UA-cam was one of the best sources so far). The more you listen the more you understand without translating it - it becomes a part of who you are, as cheesy as it sounds. The negative side: You tend to mix languages every now and then as well as forgetting words in your native language but know it in your second language and so on. You start randomly thinking in the other language and switch back and forth. (Well, maybe it's just me)
When you said that Duolingo had decent sentences all I can think of is translating "Excuse me, I am an apple" This is a legit example I had in the app.
I started learning Chinese as a hobby with Duolingo 2 years ago. It gives a great start, it makes learning languages approachable and simple. It is discouraging to realize that you need to buy and read textbooks, at least for me, so in this way apps like Duolingo are great. I have completed the whole tree + vocabulary on various sources + have been talking to natives all the time. I can say that I'm B1-B2, I can handle most of the conversations. My point is, Duolingo gives a great start, but you won't be fluent if you use it as the main source of learning.
As someone who has been learning German for like 10 years at this point, I completely agree. I checked out the duolingo German course, and I completed it in like 10-20 minutes. And im not fluent. Its great at giving you a baseline to build from, but do not expect anything huge.
I completely agree with you and I feel as though Duolingo rlly is what it says. It's basically just getting you started in a language and "don't use Duolingo as your only language learning source"
Why would you pay for it for just a "starter"? Also, as a starter, it forces you to wait too much time to do the lessons, making it a waste of time Duolingo is good to get you interested in a language. But when you do have interest, the best thing you can do is drop it
I can relate to this so damn hard, even though I quit duo much earlier on my learning road. Generally all of the videos on this amazing channel are for me best described with one word: relatable!
“This fucking language man” オラオラ、何？！お前ー jk I’m not even 100 cards into the n5 deck and I know my language is a wreck lol. I love your videos, man. Clicked on this the second I saw it.
@@Madhattersinjeans I am not a professional and have always used pairing knives. They come in average cutlery sets. Maybe we are different ages or from different regions...but they are very common in my world.
Duolingo's text to speech is improving significantly, they've even made a whole seperate part of the course to learn hirigana/katakana and all of the characters' sounds are voiced by a real person (as far as I know, referencing the the threads that they have in the site itself)
I tried learning Korean with it, but I just can't learn a language without grammar. I learned some sentences and words, but never understood how I can actually build my own. Also the courses were super annoying in the beginning, because I could already read/write Hangul, but it's sometimes difficult with the romanisation so I was stuck at those levels for quite some time. After a month I quit it, because it didn't help me. Now I'm using a self teaching book, it's called Korean from Zero, if anyone is interested. It's quite good and explains a lot. In general I think Duolingo is fine if you already have basics, but not recommended if you try to learn a new language from scratch.
@@Vamptrein korean it goes subject, object verb (so instead of mom cooks dinner, it would be mom dinner cooks) and duolingo doesn't teach that and its the most important thing to know
@@AndreJ3664 In the spanish course its either 1 word or another and they don't really tell you the difference so you have to rely on pattern recognition to say the least these are also words you would actually use in a normal conversation Duolingo needs to also make tips more useful I wont get it right if its the same tip over and over
solo les dire que si algun día aprenden español, no cambien de país (por si van a algun lugar como Mexico), ademās la conjugación de los verbos no son como los de ustedes los ingleses, parece pero no, lit (literally), por ejemplo bien dices, el bébe, tu bebes, yo bebo; ó, el toma, tu tomas, yo tomo, y pues como sabran toman puede aqui en mi país entenderse como tomar de agarrar un objeto pero tambien tomar de beber algo, pero eso no es lo estresante ni con la letra "ñ", si no, los acentos, y no acentos de pronunciación, sino de significados, una palabra en mexico no es lo mismo que en colombia, lo mismo para españa, en paises como chile ignoran letras de un verbo, example: Oye, he avanzado hasta el nivel 7 oe, he avanzao hasta el nivel 7 Aunque es más comun con cosas como, mon, dad, ya que en ves de decir mamá, papá, decimos más (en algunos paises) ma, pa, Sip (Yep/Yes), así de la nada eliminamos sílaba completa, bueno me gustaria explicarles más pero como dicen los chamacos (kids/minors), Mucho texto. Jajaja perdonen por no escribir esto en Ingles, he puesto algunas palabras tambien con significado en ingles espero que les ayude y sirva :D
Kawaiinihongo is great for learning japanese. At least that’s my opinion. I started out not knowing anything and now I’ve got a good base to build on. I know hirigana (I’ve been lazy with katakana, but I still know it descently) I know the some grammar and how to structure some different sentences. They have amazing art and the voice lines are really nice!
I used to use Duolingo for learning Swahili, and my biggest frustration was when it marked answers as incorrect because of inconsequential English grammar differences in the typed translations. Differences like "This isn't a cat" and "this is not a cat". One would be correct and the other would not be, so you'd have to keep typing the sentence over again until you got it right. But like you also said, this is on the English side. I already know English. I was understanding the meaning in Swahili, but sometimes it was hard to match the English sentences with what the app wanted.
Im currently using duolingo for memorizing hiragana and katakana, for kanji I use a dictionary, especially if I encounter one i dont know, i add it to my collection to practice writing. For speaking amd learning the grammar I use teuida. Its so worth it if you want to learn Japanese made by native speakers that live there. They also have a Korean course thats super good
Just started with duolingo Japanese after one of your videos and I've got to admit this video is pretty much how I intend to use it. Even in the Hiragana learning stage I'm already leaning towards redoing it and using it as a support to other methods once I have the absolute basics in place to profit from. It's a friendly way to introduce basics in a fun way and I like that it's aimed at a younger audience, even at 59, because I recognise some jarring throwbacks to nursery and primary school right from the off in retaining even the basics, and it's a good mindset to start with imho. I'll probably use it for a couple of years maybe, then unsubscribe and fondly remember it as I progress to junior school levels.
I feel like Duolingo is designed in a way that makes it so you have to spend money to end the frustration it can cause. I hear my mother learning her French and it's usually frustrating for her and I believe it's because there is this underlying "pay to win" feature. I'd like other people's thoughts on this.
well I have the subscription but in a group of 6(only 1,50dollars a month each) and only to avoid advertisement. I feel like in many cases I need much more training (wich I previously had when I needed to restore hearts). that feature is painfully missing in the premium version... so unless you are very competitive and need gems to boost your xp to reach world domination - the best feature about the premium is that you do not have to watch advertisements. especially later when you need more training in order to remember all those kanji
lifehack just abuse duolingo plus(super), all you need is mail preferrably own a domain if you have one for infinity email addresses,it doesn't check ips or anything, easy abuse subsription in like 2 minutes
I grinded diamond 1st without a sub, and now I can relax. I understand the negative feelings towarda the heart system, but for me it forces me to actually concentrate, and if I'm not in the mood for that I'll just do a lesson to keep my streak going. I like it better than the sub (I tried the free 3 day thing I got gifted by the app at some point), but I can see how it's frustrating for some people. You also have the "practice to gain more hearts", which is good repetition for previous lessons. Maybe this wasn't a thing previously. My only cons thusfar are adds and no way to just practice typing, which is kinda weird on a japanese mobile keyboard.
I found learning Japanese in Duolingo (possibly in general) to be quite difficult, and challenging, especially when you go from learning different vowels in Hiragana/Katakana, to learning entire sentences and throwing in some Kanji as well. Probably not the right thing to do, but I feel like I would learn conversation quicker if I learned Japanese phonetically, rather than being able to read it. As cool as it was to be able to read things like "Welcome to Japan" and "Hello" I feel like my main use would be in spoken form, not written form. Then I tried learning French on Duolingo, and not surprisingly I felt like I was learning a lot more, a lot quicker, possibly because for the most part it uses the same alphabet as English. I am fluent in English and Spanish, so this was also another advantage, and I also found myself being able to read French somewhat accurately fairly quickly. What I found easier in Japanese vs French however was pronunciation. Japanese is very phonetic, kinda like Spanish, but French is not very phonetic (kinda like English, haha). I found it easier to pronounce things in Japanese vs French, but found I could read French much, much easier than I could Japanese. Having said that, I'm still at the stage of being able to say hello, I'm feeling fine, and ordering food, I'm not at the stage for a deep conversation, haha.
They do this for a lot of the languages with a whole different alphabet. I tried learning Korean but before they teach you anything, they dont teach you how to actually read the Hangul or form a conversation. Duolingo literally makes you learn "Baby on Yoyo". This would be very easy if they actually taught you how to read the hangul and convert it to whatever language you are learning.
@@AndreJ3664 literally, sorry I do not speak english. te diria que si tenes la razón completa, Duolingo directo te manda a vocabulario y tu ni un pedo entiendes.
@@Liftvista Hablas Ingels muy bien (bueno, escribes bien, jaja). Yo tengo que afinar mi Español, por que escribo mucho mas en Ingles. Si, es verdad del Duolingo. Con Francés, las preubas son mas facil, pero algunas pruebas en Japones, son pura letras Japonesas, sin clave, y me quedo mirando la pantalla asi: @_@ jaja.
Duolingo helped me to memorize (through crazy repetitive exercises) a few hundred words. And you want that small push, just enough to start believing that you in fact can acquire foreign language.
once again, amazing video. Despite having been learning japanese for a while now never having used Duolingo (probably not the target audience of the video lol) I always watch for the excellent explanations, editing and voice over. :)
The one thing that really shot my Japanese upwards was signing myself up for a language school. Just the environment and actually speaking it in class with a Japanese teacher was such a world of difference than the years I did self study at home and even though I learned a lot of grammar & vocab, I was missing the part where I used it in speech and creating actual sentences :/
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Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed the video! If anyone has any other specific questions about learning Japanese with Duolingo, feel free to ask, and I'll try my best to answer!
EDIT: 3 YEARS OF JAPANESE PROGRESS UPDATE IS OUT, this time, I actually speak Japanese: ua-cam.com/video/JVAcg1FuyOY/v-deo.html
EDIT: 4 Year version as well lol: ua-cam.com/video/MQ-NZVj5cL8/v-deo.html
Fifth one is coming soon as well!
i need help, i can't get pass the New york part, the question was to say new york in japanese (ニューヨーク)
so i type ニューヨーク clearly the same and it says no, i wrote it correctly, there's no mistake but i still get rejected, i know the use of the big ユ and small ュ and i the hiragana of ニ and the number 二 duolingo still rejects me
@@biku3628 if you're having issues with some specific sentence, it doesn't hurt to just copy paste the correct solution. Not sure if you can do that on mobile, but on the browser version you can.
I used to study italian, I was very good actually, I speak it sometimes but only the basics like "Il nino magia la mana"
or "the boy ate the apple"
@@heinzguderian628 I'm pretty sure that's Spanish or something of the sort, in Italian what you said would be "il bambino mangia la mela"
@@theguardiangnome2955 It has been a while since I stoped the classes, I missunderstood some stuff
if he disappears now, we know that the Duolingo owl has got him
Shh, Duolingo good, Duolingo good. All hail the Overlord!
lol
All hail lord Duo
@@duolingo6698 LOL
@@dezpappas9201 kono duo daa!
Currently learning Spanish with this app and all I can say is
Juan is the true main character.
and Luis
Rivera
Juan the meme horse
Juan is a bad meme
PD: I'm speaker Spanish
I'm Juan
I really wish that Duolingo didn't force you to stick to the lesson order. Sometimes I want to brush up on a specific part of Swedish, and would rather not go through the entire course up until that point.
Whenever I make a new course I instantly go to the last checkpoint and memorise what they and after about 50 try’s I memorised it and complete it so I can access any part I wish
Think the best plan is to just find a native speaker who is willing to talk to you in the language youre learning.
Thats how a friend of mine did it, he had finished swedish on duolingo, but in the end he learned way more and faster just speaking with me, sure sometimes he had to resort to english to make a point across, but atleast then he learned more vocabulary.
I have Started leaning away from duolingo, and more to Lingodeer, cus their japanese course is way better imo, has example sentences, how to build sentences, how the grammar works. It prob is better cus its teachers who developed it.
Sadly lingodeer doesnt have alot of languages, mainly eastasian countries, and some regular luke german/french etc.
Why are you learning Swedish? To talk to pewdiepie ?? 👀
@@jjkembo8810really man? Some dude is learning a language and you think its bc of some youtuber?
Tempo yep.
Nah I’m joking. I’m also swedish tho so got a bit interested
I tried doulingo, still using it. Can't escape it. The owl is watching
Better keep that streak up
Duolingo is like a crazy ex that won’t stop messaging you to come back. Even playing mind games “these notifications don’t seem to be working so we won’t send you anymore”. 2 hours later “duo misses you!”.
@@prestonjones8672 "What happened babe? Have you given up on learning japanese?"
I do Japanese Duolingo everyday because I don't want him taking my family away. If I break my 365 day streak he will hold me hostage
LOL STOP IT - 💀✋
@@thecacklingcactus3594 I don't do it for education at this point. Duo is forcing me to do lessons and I don't want to die
what the fuck
@@thomasg8517 Look I've been where you are, just breath ok everything's gonna be alright
ey is the bird still stalking even u shower and sleep?
are you still alive?
As my old grandma always said: “A lesson a day keeps the green owl away.”
HAHA
^
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Loved it when Duolingo wanted me to learn Russian without ever telling me how to read Cyrillic, an interesting way to learn...
I mean, they pronounce the words anyway. So you can isolate which letters sound like what.
@@doritos6548 trust me, I'm russian but even in Russia we're not completely sure how do you pronounce different letters
Especially when it comes to vowels
Just....trust me
@Rainbow Dickhead when i was in my 5th grade, my friends begun russian class with "Caesar, morituri te salutant" (Caesar, those who are going to die greet you) phrase
@Rainbow Dickhead bc Russians don't pronounce unstressed letters, like if you have stressed "о", it will sound as "o", but is it is unstressed, it will sound as "a"
@@doritos6548 Yeah, but I feel like that's completely unnecessary work and time you use when you could do a simple rundown of what each letter would be in the Latin alphabet. So you could use your time to then learn the words, instead of wasting it trying to guess what sounds the letters make...
I've always treated Duolingo more like a little supplement. I didn't think it would be suitable as a main resource . More like a kickstarter and then a way to practice some when I don't have as much time. It does have it's pros even though it's a bit lacking.
I've used Duolingo as a main resource in several languages. It works. You won't find an app better at drilling vocabulary. It's not as monotone as flash-card type systems, it has some grammar and flow in it, and depending on the language audio with different voices. At the beginning you just have to spent the time to drill that stuff, and that makes following other resources easier later. I've heard Americans that use Duolingo almost exclusively to learn my native language, and they are wayyy better than even those who study the language in University.
Same for me. I'm using it like a supplement, but I'm also reading books and writing as well to not forget what I have learned by far,
You ALL say that and don't have anything to bring up that someone won't call bad. So I'm sticking to duo lol.
@@no3ironman11100the thing I've heard the most is to first study kana (see tofugu). Then expand your vocab and kanji with WaniKani/Flaming Durtles, and get some grammar skills with the Genki textbooks.
Duolingo is like half of a language of half your journey I’d say. It gets you prepared to be proficient enough to converse with people to a good extent. The other part is you watching television series, listening to songs of the language, and conversing. Trust me I’ve learned two weeks more in Spanish with Duo than in my college course. 🤣
I used Duolingo for German as I progressed I get sentences like
“The Cat ate a dinosaur “
Exactly what I need when visiting Germany
@@DrakeRing you never know what you will find there. Be prepared for all situation. Like when a cat eats a dinosaur
I unironically think that having single sentences hidden between the rest is really useful as it makes you question whether you *really* did understand the sentence ("does it *REALLY* say that? wow"). IF you're lucky enough that the foreign sentence pops up first and not the english one. Because then the "questioning yourself" part falls flat on its face.
That sentence would be in German:
' Die Katze hat einen Dinosaurier gegessen ' c:
@@DrakeRing There are other german speaking countries btw. 🤔
I have been speaking English for 18 years and I just found out today "pare" means "to trim".
Not only am I fluent in English since it's my first ever language, I, too, today just discovered that "pare" means "to trim." Probably because it's an older term
You've probably heard the expression "pare down" but have never seen it in print.
@@EresirThe1st thank you so much, I was a KP in kitchens for about 5 years and never knew why it was called that. To trim the potatoes, it makes so much sense now, I also a native speaker of English for all 23 years of my life have never learned of the word “pare”
25 years and same
Think "paring knife", those little knifes you use to skin fruit.
i started the german course and i felt like it was only teaching me how to say someone eating bread in different ways
The bear never plays piano
I would recommend you to watch some German youtubers and also buy some books if you're still a beginner not grammar books
I used it for about a year, learned a lot, got far through the course, AND THEN IT CHANGED ALL OF THE LESSONS AND STARTED ME AT THE BEGINNING. It wouldn’t even let me switch back to the lesson I was on. Definitely very angry after that one
My first language is german and I tried the Duolingo course just for fun. Wouldn’t recommend, you’d be better off buying a schoolbook or smth.
Deutschland mag Brot
I used to use Duolingo a lot for Spanish, it helped me a lot. After some time though, things got kinda boring and I wasn't really making much progress so I quit Duolingo to some extent. A few months later and I started using Duolingo again and I love it! Duolingo definitely can't make you proficient in a language, but it is very helpful for learning the basics of a language! After a point things get repetitive on Duolingo, but it is very useful for starting off!
Before I joined Duolingo, I had an F in Spanish. Now a few years later, I have an A in Spanish! :D
Of course, I used some vocabulary lists from websites and Spanish Dictionary, so Duolingo wasn't the only thing I used, but still Duolingo is very helpful!
Generally (from my experience) languages in school are just beginner phrases and sentences, you'll maybe do like 3 sentences then talk about summin else for another 3 sentences as a test which is perfect considering duolingo does nearly the same thing, I feel like schools and duolingo only stick to beginner and maybe lower lower fluency but that's all I really got out of Duolingo and School, generally the best way to learn is with multiple resources (duolingo can be included) and with people, when i learned japanese for 8-12 months I started texting japanese people, that really helped me due to the fact that texting/talking to people from that language gives you a big advantage over anything duolingo could really provide, great for newbies tho!
The duolingo heart system drove me insane. Nothing like having to redo an entire lesson because you got the last one wrong.
With my ADHD, I just have lapses of attention and accidentally put 'woman' instead of 'orange' into the missing gaps when I am thinking of 'woman' (bad example, don't judge). It's almost as if I'm not entering what I think is the right translation, rather what I subconsciously want the translation to be.
Or something.
Duolingo is a waste of time, youd learn more using anki
@@nosir1479 this is even worse when you have to translate in a third language because duolingo doesn't have the course in your language
@@alfredorotondo true tho
use it on mobile, there isn't the heart system
*"I'm trying to learn Japanese, not perfecting my English grammar!"*
-Duolingo users.
The number of times I have misspelled a word in English and lost a life for it is infuriating
Who cares about grammar
That's one of the main reason why I started learning norwegian on duolingo
@@hellatze I do, but I learned it naturally from seeing patterns and memorizing exceptions.
THAT!
What he said: "Japanese is too complex to learn from a simple app like duolingo."
What weebs heard:
"Keep watching anime. You'll learn it better this way."
You can use anime as a supplemental practice resource. I'll often watch anime or live-action TV shows / read manga to put my japanese knowledge to an actual practical use. You can't learn japanese from anime, but japanese media is an invaluable resource.
@@imperfect_rain yep, it's a great way to challenge yourself or practice after learning a bit
SABAKU WA ORE NO STANDO DA
-Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
(Translation: The one who will judge you is my Stand!)
I learned Korean from watching kdramas and variety shows and listening to Korean music so I would say that Immersion (which is what watching anime would be) is definitely better than just Duolingo. Listening to the language being used in meaningful and real world ways is probably the most important thing if you want to become conversational in a language. Though becoming advanced requires extensive reading in addition.
Woah this totally works out because I was already planning on watching a lot of Anime anyway!
Getting over two years of content with a learning platform seems like a massive success to me. It might not be the ideal way for a highly motivated student to learn, but for an average person, the motivational tricks they use make it worthwhile. Good review!
I finished the Japanese course in 11 months. And it's much longer now. I definitely learned a lot of vocabulary.
I don't think anything should be your only tool for learning. Now that I know a decent amount of vocabulary watching anime seems pretty productive.
This kinda feels like a sad character ark. Loosing touch with your roots because it feels like it’s holding you back
Wow why does it look like some anime ark to me????😂
That's so anime
Ark. Ouche
How melodramatic. It's an app. If you don't benefit from it anymore than what's the point?
@@anotherwowman Ahe, a classice mistak! Ouche isn'te a worde!
I hate the heart system. You take time out of your day to practice, but if you make enough mistakes you have to wait a long time before you can practice again, and mistakes is a great teacher. Its a real non-motivator for learning.
Plus, it doesn't make any sense from a monetary perspective being that if you're on the free version (paid has infinite hearts), they're making bank with ads they throw at you after every lesson. I've been on their free trial for the last week and I think I would have given up on the app by now if I'd have had to deal with the heart system.
Your supposed to practice the earlier skills to get more hearts
Exactly why I stopped using it.
@@kiyoko7709
You get hearts for practicing.
@@irvingceron1016 I am aware.
"Excuse me,, I am an apple." -Duolingo Japanese 2021
I just got this one today lol
it legit gave me a sentence "the dog wants to become a professional football player" in my Spanish lesson
すみません,僕はりんごです
すみません、りんごです
In context, means - excuse me, is apple
すみません、私がりんごです
This means, Excuse me, I am an apple, no matter what context it is in.
Yes Disculpe yo soy una manzana
I started taking duolingo JP because i already follow a lot of Japanese content creators, and it’s a really cool experience noticing that I’m starting to understand certain characters and sentences, but being able to read some phrases doesn’t mean you can understand them. Duolingo is a bit difficult in that aspect
I remember when I started learning Portuguese, Duolingo gave me the sentence "os gatos não bebem cerveja" and I was like, ah yes... a sentence we all use daily... The cats don't drink beer.
Ty, now i know how to say the cats don't drink beer in Portuguese, i am going to Ronaldo's house to say him this! :D
i mean say what you want but you did remember everything in that sentence.
prolly a good call on duolingos part.
Falamos isso todo dia aqui no Brasil
@@Jao2321 rsrsrs ahh, entendi! Foi mal 😋
As a Brazilian, I will attest that my friend got his dog drunk once
"i am here to learn japanese, not play the game that is duolingo"
Thank you for reminding me of this. I got so hooked on points and all that when why im here is for the language learning. This will also help in the future to prevent cost fallacy to happen to me
I literally just commented a really similar thing. I wish you could opt out of things like the league tables. I end up sitting there repeating the timed challenges for several hours just over and over repeating what I already know so I can be first place and getting super competitive then realising I haven’t learnt anything new in days because I’m just trying to win first place
I wish you could just be like “nope, opt out of this bit”
I currently have a 68 day streak and I can’t bring myself to break it, I enjoy duolingo but sometimes I realise that I don’t learn much from it, I try to watch UA-cam videos and write as much as I can down but it’s difficult when you’re learning by yourself
I just spent a lot of time this week trying to keep up with these people who spend all their time on duolingo... Like, I have assignments and other things I rather be doing so I need to let the leaderboard go before it consumes me.
@@commentbot9510 I’m just as bad. I once competed against someone who made 6500XP in a week on tje leaderboard. I hate the stupid thing. I get upset if I drop out of the top ten and don’t get to progress onto the next level even though none of it actually matters
@@josie5670 I feel this - rank 1 in my current leaderboard is up to almost 9000 xp. I was obsessively chasing him but then I decided not to look at the leaderboard at all and just do the lesson whenever I want. I've got nothing to gain even if I win.
Really interesting, been using it to learn another language so its fun to see feedback like this
Glad you enjoyed it! Also, nice legendary playlist btw
Duolingo is better for European languages than Asian Languages in my experience
@@Livakivi sorry for the late reply but thank you! :) and ye I really enjoyed it man, keep it up!
@@armandonavarro2665 same, I became relatively proficient in italian and german through duolingo, but learned absolutely nothing with japanese, korean, and arabic
@@armandonavarro2665 Duolingo also doesn't teach grammar rules. In Dutch, I noticed some words with "de" as their article and some with "het". I didn't know there were two different grammatical genders until I googled.
I think its really important to know what your goals are and what you want to do. Starting duolingo is fine, but continue duolingo because you feel like you dont want to lose your streak is just not worth it for me. There are many ways of learning language that are way more interesting than something you already do.
Me identifico completamente, literally, Duo esta con eso de que hagas una lección diaria si o si, al inicio es todo genial pero luego no, ya que uno incluso termina el curso y te sigue mandando notificaciones para que practiques y es muy... molesto
You're only afraid to lose your streak as long as you think you want to learn that language and that Duolingo is a good tool for it. And Duolingo is always better than doing nothing - and nothing is the default for most people. Not many people can commit to study material in books every day for a couple of years.
@@Andreas-gh6isbut they can surely watch YT videos in their target language so... not everyone needs to hit the books.
I love how Duolingo teaches you how to say "the black cat and the boy" before it teaches you to say "hi" or "my name is ____"
What course?
@@arnenesbye2420 I took french and german and they both said that
@@miecaf Strange it was one of the first things i learned
@@arnenesbye2420 in japanese course you learn many things before "i am" or "hello"
@@miecaf strange, in German the 1st thing I learned was Hallo (Hello)
I used duolingo when I started with japanese because I had no idea how to begin with learning japanese. But after some months I found many other ways to study japanese so I slowly stopped learning with duolingo. Duolingo is good in the beginning
May I ask what other ways can u share with me and others? Been looking for other alternatives also.
@@ericapolinar7522 same here, any alternatives?
Eric Apolinar go hardcore and start with reading visual novels. Ready a dictionary by your side :p
same
@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 spread the good word my guy
"I'm quitting Duolingo"
*Doorbell rings*
omae wa mou shindeiru
- Duolingo
@@GoofyAhhLion2937
NANI!?!
I got a duolingo ad at start
@@martha.s10 They're threatening you
LMAO
That outro was so fricking cool! And badass
2 years and no likes? Lemme fix that
So how did it go? Is the bird still staring at you while you're asleep?
He didn't reply to you, the bird probably blackmailed him.
@@ksjejejririehruehr9738 The heart he put on the comment is a cry for help
@@Vilonu It’s probably just his own heart.
@@auraemerald8434 oh shet
blink twice if your in danger
I stopped when they went from "I am an apple" to "I eat apples everyday"
Cannibalism!
すみませんりんごです
@@narutosmith4432 You're right, it was "Excuse me, I am an apple," not just "I am an apple." Thank you.
@@narutosmith4432 idk what it says but i think you're saying sumimosenringodesu xdddd
@@tory4410 it says"sumimasen, Ringo desu" (excuse me, I'm an apple)
@@tory4410 Yes, which means “I’m an apple”.
"I'm quitting the Duolingo course"
Duolingo: "You're quitting your life"
klk
I got a duolingo add when i first tapped this video
**reloads shotgun**
I think this is the best review of Duolingo. I’ve been contemplating on finding another tool to learning languages, but realized my learning style is super casual. I’ll stick to it for now because I like how it keeps me entertained and educated just enough. I will probably switch to another software if I ever find myself more committed to intense learning.
Thank you!
I’m almost two years in on my Japanese Duolingo. With my ADHD, I’m scared to stop using it, because the 600+ streak is the only thing keeping me coming back consistently.
I know it’s not very effective, and I usually find myself doing one of the early lessons just to keep the streak going, but I do enjoy the process. I felt so much pride while watching “Letters from Iwo Jima” and translating some of the non-subtitled conversations for my husband!
Despite the 2-year timeline, my bare-minimum approach still just has me on “where is the bathroom?” phrases. I’ll try out some of your resources once my brain can fixate on language learning again. I’m doing it for fun, and I’m sure I could buckle down if I knew I was going to be visiting Japan.
I appreciate the gentle “I really committed to this and was able to move on” message. My heart sank at your 0-day streak haha!
I guess if you finished the Japanese course on Duolingo, you might as well try a new language if you are just sticking around for the streak.
Like, I know said you're doing it 'for fun' but TWO entire years on that app? Firstly, I can't imagine it's fun for you any longer, secondly, how did you not realise you weren't progressing sooner? If I was still being taught the phrase for 'where is the bathroom' after 2 MONTHS I think I'd have moved onto to something else.
@@futurez12 It's almost 3 years in, and I still have the streak going. Frankly, it's the mix of serotonin seeing that number creep up, and knowing that I haven't given up yet that keeps me going. Duolingo also created more classes, and it has been a big help with the Hiragana. I can sort of sound out words in Japanese now, with barely any effort practice-wise.
Surprisingly, it is still kind of fun. It's not for everyone, and that's fine. You may have heard that "even cleaning for 5 minutes makes your house cleaner than it was before." That's the approach I'm taking with learning Japanese. I could buckle down and learn it, but then I'd have to give up some of my other passions to do so. For now, I'm happy with the bare minimum. I'm looking forward to my weirdo brain deciding to prioritize it again!
@@katuni08 That's good that you're aware of what's going on in your mind, but honestly, that's not a good sign. The fact that you're _waiting_ for the motivation almost certainly means that it isn't there and isn't likely to come. Great if you're having fun and don't care about that. Nothing wrong with that. 👍
@@futurez12 That's kind of just how ADHD works. That motivation comes out of nowhere really and hits like a truck. Once I'm in a state of hyperfixation, it'll be the only thing on my mind and it's obsessive. I've had two phases of hyperfixation on Japanese that both lasted about a month. And it was day in and out none stop learning. Literally everything I wanted to do had to have some way to help me learn. But the sad thing about hyperfixations is once they pass the motivation goes back to zero. And then it becomes a waiting game for that burst of energy to come back. It's really not the worst though. Cycles of hyperfixations is how I learned to play the piano. Atleast in my experience, once I fixate on something it'll always come back later.
I’m brazilian and I tried learning italian through the portuguese-italian course but the translations were so broken that I quit halfway through. I then decided to try the english-italian course and completed it. In other words, the lessons were so broken that I found easier to learn through my secondary language than my native one.
I am Italian lol!
That's what I'm currently doing, I'm Brazilian as well but decided to learn Japanese through the English-Japanese course
Duolingo courses are like Wiki pages, they're maintained by wannabe translators who have a poor understanding of even their own language. I find anything but the Spanish course awful in duolingo
@@airor9874 same but i used the hebrew-english
SOU DO BRASILLL
Nichijou profile picture, very nice!
“There’s nothing to lose.”
I have a caveat here. Some language courses are so broken (Irish, Swahili, Chinese) that it could teach you incorrect information, which could be hard to unlearn.
Just came across a chinese sentence today that, according to the forums, used the wrong measure word; it really is shocking how generally unreliable the courses are - not just in terms of making mistakes, but also in general inconsistency: you will never understand the meaning and difference between が and は in case you are also learning from elsewhere as they so often forget to accept both.
Yet at the same time it still remains one of the best free resources in terms of content available and accessibility: it is probably better value than みんなの日本語 as it covers multiple books worth of material and you can practice the questions as many times as you want; any new grammar rules that may be confusing and unclear (which is often the case) can be well explained by others in the forums.
Oh wow that's disappointing
Spanish too .. it just teaches you the same words .
@@edmundironside9435 As dougen likes to say though...nobody understands the difference between ga and ha, not even Japanese native speakers XD they just go on instinct
“There’s nothing to lose”
Looks at what premium costs
Learning a language is a lifelong thing. There is no easy path. But Duolingo is definitely helping me get started in a way that is motivating. I remember using Rosetta stone about 10 years ago for about 10 days.
Duolingo teaches vocabs well but they don’t put much into teaching how grammar works
My thought exactly because as j learn new sentences i learn variations of these sentences but they dont teach the individual words in the sentence and that makes it confusing to tell what is saying what
very true. i learned a bit of mandarin there and its hard to figure out how the grammar works when they only teach you what a specific word means without trying to understand that a word can mean different if you place it wrong.
Three days and im out.
Whenever I find myself in that situation, I look it up online and usually I can find an answer to why the grammar is acting a certain way, and then I come back to Duolingo with some understanding
Duolingo does have a grammar section, but since they updated to the crowns system a few years ago it became a bit hidden away behind some clicks and scrolls while before it was just in your face as you were to start a lesson, it could be ignored, but not missed. Although have in mind that I'm talking based on my own experience with the languages I tried which Japanese isn't one of them, so it might not have much, but I doubt that it has nothing at all.
There is a Tips section, and some courses have very detailed explanations of the grammar but for some bizarre reason they don’t implement it on mobile.
Me, who was proud because duolingo taught me how to say black cat: oh
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The Joke ➡️ 🧍♂️(You) ➡️
@@awarisad 😂 LOL
Kuro neko
Gato negro
Chat noir
黒猫
Black cat
*shows a fragment of english being weird*
"this fucking language man"
As a non native english speaker i inmediately subscribed. Awesome video
@Polandball even Spanish has stupid bullshit like el being the singular form of los instead of lo.
As a native english speaker i can tell you that I'm honestly starting to get sick of how stupid english's unwritten rules (and spelling in general) are.
Pfft, other languages don't come pear.
Yeah I had to pause the video there cuz it had me laughing my ass off :D It's mainly the tone he used, like I felt that xD
It's what it's
Really great editing.
You just earned a new subscriber!
"I'm here to learn the language... not to play the game of duolingo." This is very insightful. The gamefication of a goal has the unintended side effect of the game reward becoming more important than the actual goal. (Probably worth thinking about this in relation to teaching/testing/grading in general.)
Let’s have a funeral for the streak 😭
And for you.
@@duolingo8001 jesus
@@duolingo8001 oh shit
@@duolingo8001 😂😂
@@duolingo8001 im sorry
Wow what an amazing video. If you continue with that quality you’ll blow up soon
Thanks Dank Meme san
Is that a threat or compliment? Xd
Spike can't talk, and u know that
Omg spike watches that content?
500th like
2 years later, I still think the points you made about the issues of duolingo are very applicable. But one thing they did right was introduce new features that amplify their usefulness to absolute beginners, like the hiragana/katakana drill sections. Really helped me familiarise myself with the characters faster early on.
800 Days?! My mom was there 1001 days using duolinguo to learn English and didn’t learn much, she end up taking a course in King’s College and learned English in 7 weeks
Yeah, that's why the video said that Duolingo is only good for getting started, not to fully learn the language
She probably learned english pretty fast because of the knowledge she gained on DuoLingo tho lol
I mean, duolingo is a *free* app. Your mom went to a college.
The fact she already "learned" a bunch on duolingo means it was probably pretty easy for her to pick it up 'properly' in another method. One problem with learning w/duolingo is you can usually match pairs just by just by looking at one of the 'letters' in a word
@@joojok72 yup, she went to college for free hehe, there are many courses free from prestigious universities
The advice for those who learns Russian with duolingo: quite the course immediately. It wont help you anyhow: you wont learn endings, word’s gender, suffixes and prefixes with this app. I am russian and i decided to take duolingo course for fun and 30% of sentences had wrong translations. Just an advice that if you want to learn russian normal - watch youtube videos about people who know language and can give you advices on learning.
Sorry for my english
Thank you my friend now hitler is gonna to execute me for learning Russian
XD
Sorry for your English? No, you speak good English lol.
@@AcidifiedMammoth thank you!
Your English is good, don't worry :) I understood you perfectly
@@agostinastrawberry2200 thank you:)
I think the good thing about Duolingo is that it's repetitive and I manage to remember most stuff because of that
Same. I use it cause it helps me review things and remember them to some extent of course
I'm almost unnecessarily bitter at Duolingo (used it for about 3 years and barely progressed), but seeing that 0 day streak crushed me
Yeah, Duolingo is a mixed bag in general. I don’t recommend using just Duolingo for any language since the sentence structure and formation abilities of it are very questionable, but it is very useful for keeping your ass grinding, which is an extremely useful skill for language learning. Early on it’s good, but honestly if you’ve got a month or two of consecutive Japanese down from Duolingo I’d suggest dropping it. For learning a language in similar language structure(ie English to German), I’d say it’s good to give more time with it.
I've been wanting to learn German for some time, as it would be my third language and here in the east/south Europe it's generally used as much as English, and this comment motivated me to try and actually learn it because both English and Serbian, two languages I'd say I'm fluent in, are kinda similar to German so it should be even easier for me to learn it xd
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I’m 3 days in to learning Japanese and it’s looking tough, wish me luck.
i think you have better luck memorising the alphabets (hiragana does have it right?) and memorise a few basic words.
I wish I could use romaji 😢 it's so logical and easy for me to read song lyrics in romaji
I also am on my third day of learning Japanese. Thing is I’m struggling to memorise the greetings part since Duolingo doesn’t even introduce some of it slowly, it just gets you straight into it which I find really difficult and infuriating to do. The tips help me more sometimes more than the actual practices. I’m just hoping writing everything down as I learn will help me ^^
@@nindie duolingo sucks
I use duolingo, it’s good to study new vocabulary. also remember the alphabet. But it’s not good to know the grammar. And don’t think you can just use anime for study japanese. I recommend japanese movie or drama not anime or manga. You can see the real life conversation. For start to learn japanese, hiragana and katakana. Master it. Then learn basic grammar. I can say N5 level. Then you can watch japanese drama and study from there. Better is make a japanese friend for practice. I have japanese best friend to video call and practice. They can fix your pronunciation, grammar and correct your sentence to natural way. And about kanji, you can learn by some youtube video. Kanji for 6 years old, 7 years old. It’s good to start. When you learn new words, write both kanji and hiragana. You can see how kanji look like and how to pronounce it by hiragana. NEVER USE ROMAJI. Hope all good for peoples who study japanese
I am in my first month using Duolingo, and all that I can say is exactly same with your point which is to get me started. Fortunately, I'm learning this language with external learning sources like Anki and Kanji Study.
Thanks for reminding us that it's okay to break the streak, because in the end of the day, we are here to learn.
"You shouldn't use Duolingo as the only learning source"
Me: "good, good" *proceeds watching another anime*
Hopefully with JP subs?
The real question is how you survived 817 days of ads after *every. single. lesson.*
Maybe they use desktop version. No ads, no hearts.
I never get ads 😃
Adblockers exist, you know....
@@tsuumee4545 Not for iPhones
@@LesbiansMarie Nope, not on iPhone. Adblocker works just fine on my android though, never seen one ad in the app.
How to get fluent in japanese: literally just read more.
Also remember that grammar is not real.
Damn right
We don't also understand grammar so much and so confusing when I was taking Japanese grammar class.
Being Japanese student We had to take（●｀ε´●)
アニメとマンガと友達出来るともっと早く学べると思いますよ
ドラえもんの漫画で漢字を学んだりしてましたー
I can’t read Japanese though... what do you mean
@@pizzapie7My Japanese was (watch) Anime,(read)Manga and make some Japanese friends will prove your Japanese much faster and fun way.(When I was 3rd grade) I learn Kanji from Dorae-mon and lots of Syojyo Manga.
Japanese grammar is sucks for most of Japanese students＼(^o^)／
@@yoshikomizushima1361 Hey, i am learning Japanese and Spanish can we become friends ☺️
Yep! The last thing caught my attention.
It's so true!
Think about why you started! Small progress adds up,bro.
And yes, you can always switch to something else to get better.
As bro said,duolingo can indeed be a great place to get started.
My brother studied languages at the Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center in California. The pace of study was intense. Students had to master the language course in 36-64 weeks. Psychologically it was very difficult, but fortunately he was helped by Yuriy Ivantsiv's book "Polyglot Notes. Practical tips for learning foreign languages”. The book " Polyglot Notes" became a desk book for my brother, because it has answers to all the problems that any student of a foreign language has to face. Thanks to the author of the channel for this interesting video! Good luck to everyone who studies a foreign language and wants to realize their full potential!
That book sounds interesting... Could you tell me more about it? Currently learning chinese 😉
@@ethirium4389 The practical manual clearly describes how to build your learning, how to develop your memory, why you forget how to develop your language skills to automatism, how to create a language environment for yourself, what a cultural shock is, and how to overcome it. As well as many other topical issues that people face when learning a language. Each person throughout his or her life has to deal with different cultures and languages one way or another. Knowledge of language greatly facilitates the interaction of a person with another type of culture, improves social status, provides career growth, provides great opportunities for self-expression and dissemination of ideas, opens up prospects for modern education, improves financial situation, contributes to the achievement of your goals and objectives. However, in the process of learning many people necessarily face difficulties, which they lack experience and necessary knowledge to overcome. This practical manual will become a desktop assistant for a large audience: for those who want to or are already learning a foreign language, do it alone or with a teacher, individually, in a group or educational institution (school, college, university, academy). The workshop will help to structure and organize your individual language learning process and will give you the opportunity to independently determine the methodology of learning a language that will be interesting and not burdensome. The methods presented in the book can be immediately applied in language practice. Each person can choose the method that is interesting and most adapted to him or her, as well as suitable to his or her pace and lifestyle, so that language learning becomes a natural and exciting process.
I worked for a company who was trying to win contract work in support of the Defense Language Institute. It's brutal. Some of their courses are designed to teach members of the military intermediate conversational Arabic, Russian, Chinese, etc. along with intermediate cultural knowledge. Some of the courses involve role-playing hostile situations where the students are having to interrogate someone who doesn't speak English, or decipher intelligence (like seized laptops/notes) in a foreign language. Absolutely intense.
36 to 64 weeks? I am FINISHING level 3 Duolingo Japanese TODAY after using it for about 2.5 months. I will finish level 6 by November or December. LOL Of course I know more Chinese characters than a common Japanese person. LOL LOL Of course, I am using wiktionary, Tae Kim's grammar book, many many other useful websites. I can now understand at least some Japanese news on NHK. It really depends on how hard you study. I use Duolingo as if I am playing my favorite video game. LOL
@@trumplostlol3007 are you really comparing duolingo to a proper school LOL.
I'm way beyond beginner so thanks for helping me not waste my time. I'm almost a week in now and I've been finding it tedious and easy at the same time. I really don't like the grammar-translation method
First in the japanese language you have to learn the kana alphabets which take a week at most, but for vocabulary, Anki is a really good app to learn vocabulary, there is also an app called easy japanese, which shows japanese news and you can click on words to see their meaning,
@@johnythepvpgod1470 there is also a guide called tae Kim’s or something like that which covers most of the grammar
You should test out into an appropriate lesson for you then, and then decide
i use memrise and mango and also do one on ones with Italki and Verbling to supplement duolingo.
i started learning japanese with duolingo and it was great for learning the letters and such. but once i started getting questions wrong because i didnt use a capital letter, or period, etc, in my english translations, it really made me not even care at all and just want to quit. i should be learning my target language, not how many grammar mistakes i make in my native language. or if i translate a sentence to mean "i close the door." and it says im wrong, its supposed to be "i shut the door.". psh. just super discouraging.
Yeah, those are really frustrating. That's also a big reason why I find the English translation a big waste of time.
It also doesn't help that Japanese can have parts of the sentence more fluid in order, so long as the verb goes at the end and the particles are right. I remember putting a sentence together and it counted it as wrong even though there was nothing wrong with the sentence I put together. Oh, and we can drop the subject once we know what we are talking about so I find it feels like a big crutch by having us use 私 all the time.
@@graygreysangui yeah one time i put in an answer and it said i was wrong and literally gave me the exact same letter by letter answer as the "correct" example.
The same happened to me when i started using duolingo for Korean. I'm on a line of beginner and intermediate so i really got frustrated when it picked at my english translations
@@Rita_Arya so are you saying it shouldn't be so precise? Isn't the whole point to learn exactly what it's saying
i love duolingo's interface and the way they set things up. the simple and understandable layout, how they test you in many different fields, the little character and motivations that just make it overall feel more friendly and fun to use (rather than just a boring black and white site that has no decoration. duolingos website design just makes me feel happier and more comfortable learning there)
hOWEVER. they are very bad at explaining stuff. it took me awhile to figure out that "tips" is where youll be learning what your actually doing. but even then they dont explain everything and i really think they could word stuff to use more understandable words because i have a hard time even making sense of the little blurbs
for example, i'm currectly learning dutch and have kept up a consistent streak of 46 days (around 6 weeks) and theres gendered nouns in dutch. masculine, feminine, and neuter. the word "the" can translate into either "de" or "het" depending on the gender of the noun. so "het konijn" is the rabbit and "de olifant" is the elephant. but duolingo explains none of this and just has you guess whether its de or het. and it doesnt teach you the gender of the nouns either. which is horrible considering a lot of other things depend on wether or not the noun is a de or het word, and language needs to build on itself. so you cant just not explain one of the basic building blocks of dutch, the genders of nouns. im using other resources and figuring it out but i definetly think there should be some tool to learn the genders of nouns. especially since a bunch of other languages are like that
The hollow knight ost got me, i am SO happy everytime i find out somebody else knows that masterpiece.
yeaah!! I was looking for someone mentioning that detail!
^^^ me tooo
Yeah its my favorite game ever
Been waiting for silksong for more than 1 year... Still nothing
Trying to focus to Japanase.
*Fungal Wastes intensifies"
Time to reject duolingo and consume anime.
DATEBAYO!
that actually works i have been doing that for a while and i have learnt more through anime than duolingo (no hate to the app tho i learnt hindi purely because of it and its great for some other languages)
Thats how I learnt 🖖🏼 dattebayo
Tatakae
Yare yare daze
As someone who is known for being a Duo-basher, I have to say, this video explains it way better than I ever have. Brilliant work!
Thank You! I've watched and enjoyed your videos during my time learning Japanese, it's an honor!
Im at 300 words. Ill consider everything you mentioned. Thankyou for the video. I found it very helpful
Title: "Duolingo bad"
Me: Based
hahaaahaha
I have almost a 600 day streak on Duolingo for Japanese. I have used many of the other resources you mentioned as well. My biggest problem with Duolingo is that they try so hard to make the translation exercises so natural in both languages--or at least I think the Japanese version is natural--that they lose the vocabulary and grammar learning almost completely at times. In comparison, Lingo Deer says outright that the English meaning of the sentence will not sound natural, but this was an intentional choice to make you connect to the Japanese language more efficiently. I'm already a native speaker of English, so I don't need it to sound natural, I need to understand the nuance in my targeted language!
My second issue with it has to do with the lack of grammar guidance. If I get an answer wrong, could they at least point me to the concepts used in the lesson to help me research it on my own? Sometimes it's fairly obvious like verb tenses, but other times I don't even know how to begin to understand it.
Nevertheless I use it at least once a day to ensure that I make a conscious habit to practice Japanese. Not always, but often, practicing on Duo causes me to go off and do my other Japanese study methods--but if I'm not in a good place to sit down with a book and paper, at least having something to do on Duo will keep me from feeling like I lost progress and should quit. I am prone to quitting unless I have a regimented habit.
Hi, I am a beginner and just started with duolingo, once I get comfortable with the basics on duolingo where do you recommend I go next? All of the learning methods are very overwhleming and I am not sure what to pick first after duolingo
you don't learn a language by learning grammar - you learn the language by knowing which sentence patterns to say and when
This. I have a 200 day streak on Czech, my main problem learning was that Czech has a lot of alternate endings/beginnings to words, but duolingo doesn't actually teach you what you should use and when. For example, Jste, Jsme/jsem, and jsou. I often lost hearts getting these mixed up, and even though I did eventually figure it out, I did so on my own.
@@daomingjin that's what grammar is.
@@sacrificialbondi personally downloaded kanji study for kanji and I'm gonna try lingodeer since she mentioned it
I gave up on learning on Duolingo a while ago, I got pretty tired of learning "The woman had a suitcase" in Spanish when all I wanted was to learn how to have a casual conversation. I found this guy yesterday who has really good and thoroughly-explained lessons on Japanese, and he's a much better teacher than Doulingo could ever be.
Who is said guy?
Still waiting
¿La mujer tiene una maleta?
so...why didnt you skip this lesson then?
is it Yuta Aoki? 😅
Japanese Duolingo learning has a come a long way from when this video was made. There are now tons more lessons and just learning Hiragana and Katakana is priceless and a strong key factor for the app. I'm currently on Day 660.
The fact you ended your 800+ streak and you explained everything in a simple yet effective way , is just inspiring
the fact you had the dedication and the mentality to move on is really good too
Keep up the great work ❤️
These were the last words heard from Livakivi before the duolingo owl got to him
Totally agree with your opinion young man. Duolingo needs to be used as a complementary resource, because at the end of the day, is a great way to getting started at the vast language of Japanese. I started my journey of learning this language by starting on Duolingo, and it really felt like an awesome language because of how easy was the beginner lessons, memorizing Hiragana and Katakana was easier than ever. But as you said, the longer you keep with it, the worse it gets. Duolingo is perfect in introducing you the language but to get consisntent and fluent in it, is imposible.
I'm currently at 615 days streak, and I just cant let go Duolingo, of course I been forcing myself to use another apliccations like Anki or even reading the newspaper in Japanese, and the difference of understanding and memorizing between Duolingo and another sources (the ones mention before) is tremendous. The bond I have for Duolingo is unmesurable because it was him that want me to get interested in the idiom, and sure it did. Everyday I spent at least 20 min onto learning Japanese, all thanks to Duolingo. It is true that maybe the learning in advanced courses in the aplication tend to not be beneffecial at all, but at least is the spark that starts the fire in the curiosity part of your brain. Duolingo is my friend and my companion until the end of this journey. I'm gonna keep it using because it became a routine for me, and the streak system is what keeps me using it. In my humble opinion for new learners, is to start with Duolingo, and then when you feel that you want more, start adding right away another learning resources, and transform Duolingo into a secondary resource of learning. Duolingo is awesome, but in life we have to keep going, and leave some things behind. Good Luck.
English is my second language and I used to suck pretty bad schoolwise. If you're like me, you'll need to listen and repeat it on a daily basis. Research the words you cannot understand yet, as well as trying to use them as early and as much as possible to form a subconcious understanding. First you'll translate everything from your native language into the language of your choice. You'll copy the grammatical structure sooner or later (learning by the book never did me any good so I talked and read as much as I could find. UA-cam was one of the best sources so far). The more you listen the more you understand without translating it - it becomes a part of who you are, as cheesy as it sounds. The negative side: You tend to mix languages every now and then as well as forgetting words in your native language but know it in your second language and so on. You start randomly thinking in the other language and switch back and forth. (Well, maybe it's just me)
When you said that Duolingo had decent sentences all I can think of is translating "Excuse me, I am an apple" This is a legit example I had in the app.
That’s what I dislike about the app. A lot of sentences aren’t practical.
@@Caine61 With a sentence like that, I guess they don't want you to fluke it by guessing what the most natural way to say it is. Just a thought tho.
2021 in a nutshell
Also "my dog sells hats"
Lemme guess, Dutch?
Dude what the actual fuck, your videos are really really underrated
I started learning Chinese as a hobby with Duolingo 2 years ago. It gives a great start, it makes learning languages approachable and simple. It is discouraging to realize that you need to buy and read textbooks, at least for me, so in this way apps like Duolingo are great. I have completed the whole tree + vocabulary on various sources + have been talking to natives all the time. I can say that I'm B1-B2, I can handle most of the conversations. My point is, Duolingo gives a great start, but you won't be fluent if you use it as the main source of learning.
As someone who has been learning German for like 10 years at this point, I completely agree. I checked out the duolingo German course, and I completed it in like 10-20 minutes. And im not fluent. Its great at giving you a baseline to build from, but do not expect anything huge.
5:04 Oh? You're approaching me??
I completely agree with you and I feel as though Duolingo rlly is what it says. It's basically just getting you started in a language and "don't use Duolingo as your only language learning source"
no thank you I will use it as my only language learning source
Why would you pay for it for just a "starter"?
Also, as a starter, it forces you to wait too much time to do the lessons, making it a waste of time
Duolingo is good to get you interested in a language. But when you do have interest, the best thing you can do is drop it
I can relate to this so damn hard, even though I quit duo much earlier on my learning road. Generally all of the videos on this amazing channel are for me best described with one word: relatable!
I’ve not gotten to 800 days yet but this is an amazing explanation
Thank you!
“This fucking language man”
オラオラ、何？！お前ー jk I’m not even 100 cards into the n5 deck and I know my language is a wreck lol. I love your videos, man. Clicked on this the second I saw it.
@Ismail Ali a deck that has words or sentences for n5 level on JLPT (fifth hardest, so n2 is harder than n3, not the other way around)
I'm a native English speaker, and I didn't even know the word 'pare' existed. Haha my vocabulary sucks! 😂😅
@@DANGJOS You never used a paring knife?
@@cataloukitcat I don't know
@@Madhattersinjeans I am not a professional and have always used pairing knives. They come in average cutlery sets. Maybe we are different ages or from different regions...but they are very common in my world.
Duolingo's text to speech is improving significantly, they've even made a whole seperate part of the course to learn hirigana/katakana and all of the characters' sounds are voiced by a real person (as far as I know, referencing the the threads that they have in the site itself)
I tried learning Korean with it, but I just can't learn a language without grammar. I learned some sentences and words, but never understood how I can actually build my own. Also the courses were super annoying in the beginning, because I could already read/write Hangul, but it's sometimes difficult with the romanisation so I was stuck at those levels for quite some time.
After a month I quit it, because it didn't help me. Now I'm using a self teaching book, it's called Korean from Zero, if anyone is interested. It's quite good and explains a lot.
In general I think Duolingo is fine if you already have basics, but not recommended if you try to learn a new language from scratch.
they teach you how to say fox or cucumber before they teach you how to actually understand korean
@@AndreJ3664 For me it was Spanish imo their skills at explaining present tense is poor
@@Vamptrein korean it goes subject, object verb (so instead of mom cooks dinner, it would be mom dinner cooks) and duolingo doesn't teach that and its the most important thing to know
@@AndreJ3664 In the spanish course its either 1 word or another and they don't really tell you the difference so you have to rely on pattern recognition to say the least these are also words you would actually use in a normal conversation
Duolingo needs to also make tips more useful I wont get it right if its the same tip over and over
solo les dire que si algun día aprenden español, no cambien de país (por si van a algun lugar como Mexico), ademās la conjugación de los verbos no son como los de ustedes los ingleses, parece pero no, lit (literally), por ejemplo bien dices, el bébe, tu bebes, yo bebo; ó, el toma, tu tomas, yo tomo, y pues como sabran toman puede aqui en mi país entenderse como tomar de agarrar un objeto pero tambien tomar de beber algo, pero eso no es lo estresante ni con la letra "ñ", si no, los acentos, y no acentos de pronunciación, sino de significados, una palabra en mexico no es lo mismo que en colombia, lo mismo para españa, en paises como chile ignoran letras de un verbo, example:
Oye, he avanzado hasta el nivel 7
oe, he avanzao hasta el nivel 7
Aunque es más comun con cosas como, mon, dad, ya que en ves de decir mamá, papá, decimos más (en algunos paises) ma, pa,
Sip (Yep/Yes), así de la nada eliminamos sílaba completa, bueno me gustaria explicarles más pero como dicen los chamacos (kids/minors), Mucho texto.
Jajaja perdonen por no escribir esto en Ingles, he puesto algunas palabras tambien con significado en ingles espero que les ayude y sirva :D
Kawaiinihongo is great for learning japanese. At least that’s my opinion. I started out not knowing anything and now I’ve got a good base to build on. I know hirigana (I’ve been lazy with katakana, but I still know it descently) I know the some grammar and how to structure some different sentences. They have amazing art and the voice lines are really nice!
4:52 had me in stitches, great video! Informative but scattered with humour to keep it interesting, love it
UA-cam Algorithm is stalking me and knows I registered on duolingo to learn Japanese, and I think it's not even worth it
After learning the basic, start with visual novel hardcore. :p ready a dictionary by your sude
Finish the course, its good for beginnning after that you could learn from other sources
i downloaded duolingo so i could understand korean 😭 i think youtube is stalking me too
SAME THOUGH
To be fair, registering on Duolingo and thinking it's not worth it usually go hand in hand.
I used to use Duolingo for learning Swahili, and my biggest frustration was when it marked answers as incorrect because of inconsequential English grammar differences in the typed translations. Differences like "This isn't a cat" and "this is not a cat". One would be correct and the other would not be, so you'd have to keep typing the sentence over again until you got it right.
But like you also said, this is on the English side. I already know English. I was understanding the meaning in Swahili, but sometimes it was hard to match the English sentences with what the app wanted.
Im currently using duolingo for memorizing hiragana and katakana, for kanji I use a dictionary, especially if I encounter one i dont know, i add it to my collection to practice writing. For speaking amd learning the grammar I use teuida. Its so worth it if you want to learn Japanese made by native speakers that live there. They also have a Korean course thats super good
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The amount of anxiety that last screenshot gave me
Well done. You've reached the conclusion that I reached from 12 years of language teaching and countless qualifications.
The core message here is you don't give up duolingo now, you give up on duolingo after 800+ days.
Just started with duolingo Japanese after one of your videos and I've got to admit this video is pretty much how I intend to use it. Even in the Hiragana learning stage I'm already leaning towards redoing it and using it as a support to other methods once I have the absolute basics in place to profit from.
It's a friendly way to introduce basics in a fun way and I like that it's aimed at a younger audience, even at 59, because I recognise some jarring throwbacks to nursery and primary school right from the off in retaining even the basics, and it's a good mindset to start with imho.
I'll probably use it for a couple of years maybe, then unsubscribe and fondly remember it as I progress to junior school levels.
"Quitting duolingo"
Duolingo: you quit us, we quit ur life 😳
You forgot to do your spanish lesson today... Do it now or else we'll do your family 😳
I feel like Duolingo is designed in a way that makes it so you have to spend money to end the frustration it can cause. I hear my mother learning her French and it's usually frustrating for her and I believe it's because there is this underlying "pay to win" feature. I'd like other people's thoughts on this.
well I have the subscription but in a group of 6(only 1,50dollars a month each) and only to avoid advertisement. I feel like in many cases I need much more training (wich I previously had when I needed to restore hearts). that feature is painfully missing in the premium version... so unless you are very competitive and need gems to boost your xp to reach world domination - the best feature about the premium is that you do not have to watch advertisements. especially later when you need more training in order to remember all those kanji
my mom bought the family plan and yeah pretty much thats the reason why i returned to the app
I agree. An annoyingly large amount of apps do that.
lifehack just abuse duolingo plus(super), all you need is mail preferrably own a domain if you have one for infinity email addresses,it doesn't check ips or anything, easy abuse subsription in like 2 minutes
I grinded diamond 1st without a sub, and now I can relax. I understand the negative feelings towarda the heart system, but for me it forces me to actually concentrate, and if I'm not in the mood for that I'll just do a lesson to keep my streak going. I like it better than the sub (I tried the free 3 day thing I got gifted by the app at some point), but I can see how it's frustrating for some people. You also have the "practice to gain more hearts", which is good repetition for previous lessons. Maybe this wasn't a thing previously. My only cons thusfar are adds and no way to just practice typing, which is kinda weird on a japanese mobile keyboard.
I found learning Japanese in Duolingo (possibly in general) to be quite difficult, and challenging, especially when you go from learning different vowels in Hiragana/Katakana, to learning entire sentences and throwing in some Kanji as well. Probably not the right thing to do, but I feel like I would learn conversation quicker if I learned Japanese phonetically, rather than being able to read it. As cool as it was to be able to read things like "Welcome to Japan" and "Hello" I feel like my main use would be in spoken form, not written form.
Then I tried learning French on Duolingo, and not surprisingly I felt like I was learning a lot more, a lot quicker, possibly because for the most part it uses the same alphabet as English.
I am fluent in English and Spanish, so this was also another advantage, and I also found myself being able to read French somewhat accurately fairly quickly.
What I found easier in Japanese vs French however was pronunciation. Japanese is very phonetic, kinda like Spanish, but French is not very phonetic (kinda like English, haha).
I found it easier to pronounce things in Japanese vs French, but found I could read French much, much easier than I could Japanese.
Having said that, I'm still at the stage of being able to say hello, I'm feeling fine, and ordering food, I'm not at the stage for a deep conversation, haha.
They do this for a lot of the languages with a whole different alphabet. I tried learning Korean but before they teach you anything, they dont teach you how to actually read the Hangul or form a conversation.
Duolingo literally makes you learn "Baby on Yoyo". This would be very easy if they actually taught you how to read the hangul and convert it to whatever language you are learning.
wey no digas que el spanish is easy porque no lo es.
@@AndreJ3664 literally, sorry I do not speak english. te diria que si tenes la razón completa, Duolingo directo te manda a vocabulario y tu ni un pedo entiendes.
@@Liftvista Hablas Ingels muy bien (bueno, escribes bien, jaja). Yo tengo que afinar mi Español, por que escribo mucho mas en Ingles. Si, es verdad del Duolingo. Con Francés, las preubas son mas facil, pero algunas pruebas en Japones, son pura letras Japonesas, sin clave, y me quedo mirando la pantalla asi: @_@ jaja.
Love the intro!! It's 100% true
Duolingo helped me to memorize (through crazy repetitive exercises) a few hundred words. And you want that small push, just enough to start believing that you in fact can acquire foreign language.
once again, amazing video. Despite having been learning japanese for a while now never having used Duolingo (probably not the target audience of the video lol) I always watch for the excellent explanations, editing and voice over. :)
The one thing that really shot my Japanese upwards was signing myself up for a language school. Just the environment and actually speaking it in class with a Japanese teacher was such a world of difference than the years I did self study at home and even though I learned a lot of grammar & vocab, I was missing the part where I used it in speech and creating actual sentences :/
Very informative video, thank you.