People forget we were only a 5 win team last year. We were in a bad cap situation and still playing with a majority Telesco drafted team. It took the Lions 3 years to be competitive after they changed their front office and coaching staff.
The Lions have a QB who had taken a team to the Super Bowl and now hes taken the Lions to the NFC championship game. We have a QB who cant even win a big regular season game but hes the 3rd highest paid QB in the league. Lions built that team because they weren't paying Goff much. We are nothing close.
@@michaelbell75 Ok , 1st , he WILL be paid the 5th highest contract [ NEXT ] year ! I just DON"T get how many DUMB AS#Ses do NOT get the 5th year [ PICK UP ] by the team on his ROOKIE deal ????? This is his [ 5th ] year ! DUMD AS#ES ? Bet I HAVE pointed this out at least 20 times OR more !
No one has forgotten we only won 5 games last year, its the only reason we have so many wins, we played a bunch of losers. We have yet to beat a team with a winning record. Rebuilding year or two for sure.
The INT was QJ's fault, watch the play. THAT was a Mike Williams special ... a huge jump ball chunk play. QJ loses the ball in the air, does a 180 and falls down. The DB says "thanks, I'll take that" and catches the ball. QJ is a QB/Coach killer who will make plays, then make HUGE mistakes in crunch time. Forever.
As a Bucs fan I want to say that you guys have performed VERY well this year! 1st year with a new coach/system. Banged up quarterback. Missing running game. Next year you guys are going to be very scary!
As a buccs fans glad we got them when we did. All we had to do was shut down the run and it was a wrap. Chargers can be scary but once again proved vea over James lol gg chargers
So nice to hear from opposing fans like you. I love your QB, we’re Sooner alumni. We had field passes and he came over and chatted for a couple minutes and we got a pic with him.
idk if yall attend the games but this my first season doing so in LA, we been showing out this season and its not even close in terms of the other years prior since moving from SD...let me tell yall though.. expensive as those tickets fucking are.. hard to defend why people should spend their hard earned money on wtf i witnessed today lmao
Quite a bit of Bucs fans and they seemed louder than charger fans even in the first half. Game was pitiful yesterday being there, best part was chugging my beer on the jumbo tron LMAO
that’s who palmer is , all the palmer glazers when he makes a catch every 3 games are like “ sEe! “ … palmer is who he’s always been , a border line wr 3/4 . Fans need to wake up .
Herbert gets beat up and now 4 days later we have a must win vs the Donks. We still cant run and frankly cant really pass at will either. Charging is alive and well
Everyone needs to realize that we are in the first season of a build year and we are overachieving. Next year we are going to have a lot of money we're going to address to holes in the offense and we need more defense Linebackers, DLine needs help, Interior Oline, RB, WR and TE
was waiting for this one .. that was a HUMBLING reminder of where this roster is at the moment . We haven’t beaten a good team this year , the bucs talent was MILES ahead of ours and it showed . The offense disappears for halves at a time , it’s incredible how consistent this team is at only showing up for a half . This roster just isn’t good enough , the interior O line is pathetic , i swear to god if hortiz and Jim trot out pipkins , bozeman and more or less zion , they deserve everything that happens to them next season … the IOL is the root of a lot of problems for this offense .
What’s the point of making the playoffs when you can’t get too far to get a chance to make it to the Big Show. Chargers might as well tank and get a better position in the draft to fill their team needs
Sucks for chargers fans not having a running game especially with how the offense is built, while buccs have two really solid starters and good backup in Tucker
I can handle losing 1 score games to KC or even being a bit outmatched by PIT and BAL. But yesterday was embarrassing! TB is a good team but I wasn’t expecting a blowout.
To be fair, the Bucs have a very deep roster, they have overcome injuries at nearly every position and are jelling at the right time. They beat the Lions in Detroit and blew out the Eagles in Tampa, they have a bunch of close losses. They could easily be 11-3.
Very valid point about pass rushers. They are being paid as elite players and the production doesn't reflect that kind of money at all. We have too many games when there is barely any pressure on opposing quarterbacks. They are way too expensive for what they produce on the field.
Ive given the front office the benefit of the doubt, but they got joe alt and forget about the rest of the oline in the draft. Pipkins is killjng us every game , and your line is only as good as uour weakest link. The fact thst we took junior colson over cooper beebe a dominant RG/C is the blunder that we pay every game. Why charger fans were so happy we took colson is a mystery to me. We also wasted picks on rice and anither reciever in the 7th when it shoukd have been oline.
Hortiz inherited the worst cap situation and a roster that had plenty of areas to address. He can only accomplish so much in just one draft and one offseason. They have had more success in this draft than any of Telesco’s. There are a handful of players contributing yet some are criticizing what Hortiz missed out on which seems short sighted and isn’t looking at the overall picture.
Did Chargers fans expect Hortiz to patch up every hole in just one off-season ? Has there ever been a Chargers draft that has had multiple players contributing as much as they’re in their first season as this one ?
@@keroutson no I like what hortiz is doing. I'm just saying this new organization came in and said the oline was the tip of the spear and only drafted one onlineman, when we clearly needed an upgrade everywhere but LT. Why are we drafting wide receivers in the 7th round who gets waived. Should have took two lineman at least. I'm just surprised the line wasn't adequately addressed last off-season, and Herbert has been hurt almost all year because of it. Also calling long develping plays is also the problem.
@@brianhenry7983 - Alt is already one of the better RTs in the league and they signed BB who is familiar with the o scheme. Perhaps they were expecting more from their interior OL. Chargers media outlets and plenty of fans were raving about Zion before the season started but he has been underwhelming in pass protection & TP has been even worse in pass protection. They could have drafted Frazier or JPJ in the 2nd but they had a depleted wr room so it made sense that they drafted LM who is their only wr who consistently creates separation. Hortiz can accomplish only so much in just one off-season. They had plenty of areas to address on both sides of the ball during the off-season so Hortiz deserves a ton of credit with how much he has accomplished.
When we score 17 in the 1st half and nothing in the 2nd... the OC is getting out schemed. If you leave our defense out there they will eventually fold. We need a better OC. Ravens moved on for a reason.
It's a thing with Justin Herbert. Playoff game 2nd half, 2nd half of almost every game this year....2nd half of games are off script and hes absolute garbage when hes off script. Thats where actual GREAT QBs like Mahomes, Allen and a few others shine. Herbert is overrated AF.
Romans Offense works well if you have RBs and a good OLine. A good OC will be able to make use of with less talented players and still create a scheme to be competitive.
@@VOLTAIRES_5 I like the guy and hes talented but hes just not a winner. Hasn't won't a single thing, it's year 5 and hes making top 3 QB money while delivering QB20 results. Overrated and overpaid.
Buccaneer fan here. It seemed to me that Justin Herbert was really hobbled by that ankle. It's snowballed in the second half. Give credit to Tampa Bay for a great game but it's just one game and the score doesn't matter. Just have to regroup and learn from it. The chargers should bounce back no problem. But the injury to Justin Herbert could be a big problem. Huge game for San Diego on Thursday night and they will need him big time if they want to compete.
WE HAVE NO PLAY MAKERS EXCEPT LADD.. ITS SIMPLE.. NO OTHER RECEIVER WE HAVE CAN GET OPEN UNLESS THE DEFENSE JUST SLIPS.. NO RECEIVER WE HAVE CAN GO UP AND GET IT OR JUST GET OPEN ONCE PLAYS BREAK DOWN.. WE DONT HAVE BREAKOUT RBS.. OUR DEFENSE SCAMMED US BECAUSE ONCE OUR COMPETITION GETS TOUGH.. WE GET RAN UP
This was my first charger game that I didn’t get to see the game live or on tv But thank goddesses I was busy doing something else instead of watching that horrible performance. After looking at the highlights this team yesterday has no grit. It comes to show that we’re not ready for the big boys. Bozeman was awfully terrible
The last 3 coordinators have not been able to run the ball. At some point the blame has to be put on the players. They have to rebuild the offensive line and also improve other positions on offense and defense. We have good coaching but it will take time to get to a championship caliber team. Patience guys.
fucking nailed it! thank you ! the IOL is fucking garbage , zion tre and bozeman are AWFUL . Bozeman should be sending i’m sorry letters to herbert every day this week . The common denominator for the last 3 seasons , zion and tre. I said next year if they don’t completely re haul the IOL they deserve everything that happens to them next season .
Kellen Moore was our OC last year. How is that run game looking in Philly with him? Barkley about to break the NFL record. You are right, we need players and we arent getting them with Herberts absurd contract unless he restructures. I have said we should trade him for picks and move off that contract. Thats the only way out of this.
Typical ! They will lose to Denver , 50:50 against the Pats and I think the raiders have a decent shot at getting the last laugh . Chargers fan since 1979 , I’ve seen this way to often , they would lose in the playoffs game against any team in the AFC . All this Hype this season was overblown even with this weak schedule , and it’s the NORM , Staley got blamed for doing exactly what Campbell has done in Detroit , the difference was that lack of execution , talent on the O line and D line .. Same trouble this year with a different staff …. Hey I’m available Mr. Spanos , I have and can identify talent without the big pay check …. No wonder why this franchise has to piggyback off the Rams , couldn’t get a deal done in San Diego where they were loved by fans they let down time and time again, A new Home , stadium, jersey , Staff , Coaches , $250 million dollar Qb , $150 tied up in 3 defensive players that can’t make it happen , ridding themselves of all their offensive weapons for nothing more than a mediocre team with a soft schedule and clearly no path to a Championship. I know next year it’ll happen, I’ve been saying that so long I don’t believe it and neither should anyone else . This team stinks …. Go Chargers ⚡️🏈⚡️
i’ve said this multiple times , if you get a turnover you HAVE to get points man , go for it on 4th down on a turn over ! points off turn overs are huge !
It's so soft for arm chair coaches to say"oh it's the first year of a rebuild, justvwait till next year..." I expect professional coaches and players to play to win every weekend. Those who say "wait for the rebuild" have never played sports.
Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. This team doesn’t have any offensive talent. The other teams they play are more talented. How do you expect them to beat good teams when they don’t have any good players on offense besides the quarterback and a slot WR
What really worries me is that game after game our OC depends on 2 or 3 offenses to win a game and relies completely on the defense to keep the other team to score less than that. We have 2 good play called offenses per game and the rest are just a waste of time... Honestly, i don't think we will get anywere with Roman as the OC
When Justin can’t move we are 0-3. The rebuild is far from complete. A TE, WR, OG,OC, and RB are missing from our offense. Our D couldn’t pressure Baker or stop the run. I’m baffled by the performance we saw yesterday.
{ IF ] this team even reaches the Play offs this year . They are not going vary far in it ! Way to MANY holes & they didn't get ANY help in the trade dead line ? Broncos are going to KILL us at home, too !
The Bucs are a surprise. Their OL was dominate. Our OL needs more pieces. Apparently Salyer, Jaimes, and McFadden aren’t the prototype OLineman that Harbaugh and Roman want.
I appreciate y'all optimism sometimes but seriously u guys were literally just talking about what you'd do if the chargers went to the Super Bowl, like go on vacation or something, why do u get so excited off one fluke win to the bengals when this team has had obvious flaws since the running game stalled early in the szn...stay measured so the hype don't break us
Without a running game, it becomes glaringly obvious that the defense adjusts to our simple passing game. That’s why we see Herbert fall off in the second half. without a play action threat, defenses just adjust to focus on him. Need dobbins back. WE RAN 11 TIMES YESTERDAY. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Well guess what? You need money to have a run game and Herbert is the 3rd highest paid QB in the league. We arent getting a run game until he either restructures his deal or we trade him for picks and move off his absurd contract.
@ herbs cap hit isn’t that bad. it’s 19M this year, 37 next year and 46 the year after. Lamar is 36m this year, 46m next year, 74 the year after… and they got derrick henry lol
@@TheProHopper Ravens already had a great O line and just needed a RB, we don’t. Also, Lamar has earned that money. Herbert can’t even win big games let alone a playoff game
No, 60% of Justin Herbert doesn't come close to 100% of Taylor Heinike. It looks like the pain from Herbert's injuries is tiring him out by the 3rd quarter in both of the last two games.
Has anyone done a deep dive into a correlation between the NFL scheduling all these teams for 3 games in an 11 day stretch and all the team injuries we are seeing? Obviously the more games you play the more risk there is but these 11 day 3 game stretches seem pretty brutal on teams to me. Lions are just one example. I'm very concerned about Herbert. His legs are taking a beating. That interior oline is going to get him killed.
When has Justin Herbert ever put the Superman cape on? 😂 We've been hearing fir years how he has no talent around him even know he had some pretty good recovers his first few years. Herbert is a good QB but he need everything around him to be almost perfect
If they get to 10 wins and make the playoffs, it will be a huge leap forward from last year... doesn't remove the bad taste left behind after this game... here's a cup half full thought. Maybe this torching helps us to keep Minter for at least another year... a year when they will have $75-$100 mil to spend on some talent plus another draft
$75 million is chump change lol. Especially when you need to replace an entire offense and your overrated QB is on an absurd $262 million contract he hasn't come anywhere close to earning. To give you an idea, Tee Higgins is making $21 million this year alone. Guess what hes gonna want for 4 years? $70 million easy. You are gonna get more garbage like Hunter Renfrow and Leonard Fournette with that limited money. More washed up players no one wants like we have now. The ONLY way out of this is moving off Herbert for picks and getting out of his contract. Then Hortiz has to hit multiple home runs in the draft and get playmakers we dont have to pay for 4 years. Good luck.
i’ve been saying this about the pass rush for a while , let mach and bosa go , get YOUNGER .. we al love mack , but let’s be honest he dissappears a lot , hin and joey make 50 plus million and they rarely wreck a game
The D needs another interior guy to go with Poona and Teair. Multiple corners and an Edge to replace Bosa and Mack are needed. 10 picks and Free Agency can fill these needs. Nix running wild worries me no end.
And now the broncos are gonna beat up on this team because they left Herbert in there to get destroyed while having a Thursday night game he’s gonna look even worse escpically with that kid Denver has coming for his head
Greg Roman will be the issue as this team moves forward. Oh he will. But this team needs a running game. I think Vidal has some upside but over the next years. Dobbins may be worth a one year. But may need to lean on giving a short term via free agency. I think the Bolts need to focus on that defense and hopefully shopping Bosa. Still excited about the future. Bolts need two games to make playoffs and it would be nice to get a w Thursday. Defense needs to win the game Thursday
@ I like Vidal and I think he will emerge as the Bolts lead running back. But the Bolts will need someone to complement him and whomever is on this team moving forward. Wouldn’t object to getting a Chubb to go with the group. All we can do is Bolt Up
Very warranted criticism. This should be the film used for Ortiz in the off season. Fix everything you saw wrong in this game and we will be fine 🫡 awful
our offense no is the issue I don’t know if it’s a Greg Roman issue or Justin Herbert is not playing where he needs to be, but there is something going on and it is ridiculous
Just like Kellen Moore had to go last year right? How is that Philly offense looking this year? Top 3 and Barkley about to break the rushing record. It's not the OC, we have a trash roster, Hebert included
5 minute mark of this video: if yall knew all of this about the Chargers offense and defense, you still "expected" them to dominate Tampa. That's what's asinine! Tampa is ranked very high in many offensive categories. One is #1 on 3rd down percentage. Top ten rushing offense from Tampa.. True leadership on defense from Lavonte. Idk what the Chargers thought was gonna happen.
Just like Kellen Moore had to go last year right? How is that Philly offense looking this year? Top 3 and Barkley about to break the rushing record. It's not the OC, we have a trash roster, Hebert included.
We were exposed by a better team. Pipkins isn’t a starter at guard, Bozeman is an average center, and Johnson is a disappointment, so Herbert was battered again. There just aren’t enough play makers on offense which was made clear yesterday. It’s hard to play good defense when they are forced to be on the field for 2/3 of the game. Let’s be honest.. they over achieved so far this season, and over the off season they will need to dive into the free agent market and make more good choices in the draft in order to get the players they need to take the next step.. they will have the money they need to do so. Lastly, Harbaugh has made some questionable decisions. In the first half they should have gone for it on 4th down, but they punted instead, and netted 22 yards. Too many other examples to mention here, but we need to be much more aggressive if we want to be successful. Let’s be happy for the success we have achieved so far, and look forward to better days ahead.
So what happened to the “Imagine Herbert with a running game” & “We have to protect a crown jewel of the NFL” talk I heard all off season. Bozeman needs to sit he cannot handle blitz adjustments and absolutely got killed all game long. Roman definitely not the answer either he needs to go!!!
A good championship team is able to face this adversity and adapt to find ways to Win, let’s call the Chiefs lucky. But they win. This team lacks that. I’m tired of our losing excuses of next man up, players are hurt…. One day. It will change
If we lose to the broncos then we might be on the verge of an end of the season collapse and even if we still sneak into the playoffs with 8 or 9 wins it'll be a sour accomplishment..
The offense its bad. It had being that way the last month. Only played 2 quarters a game and the other 2 disapears. The defense was very conserning. 3 and 12 and its a massive passing td to the best wr. Its a brandon staley dejavu.... the culture has not changed 100%
Bruh yall are making a bit too many excuses for Herbert he has had teams with a lot of weapons.. however the problem is our O Line thats why we don’t have a run game also need a better RB but man we always find a way were Herbert can’t do wrong which is ridiculous
Blaming Roman for no running game when the RB1 is down is crazy. Even crazier to blame him for no run game when we all know the interior line is bad. EVEN crazier to blame him in year 1 😂 can’t scheme better if rbs are bad and wr can’t get open quickly 😂 you can get away with 1 but 2 plus a bad line nobody can do anything with that
No it’s not crazy because even when our starting running back was here, we still had a sporadic run game and we had a horrible interior offensive line and we had no one else to throw the ball to besides Ladd they knew all this all year and did nothing about it because they were stubbly thinking the horrible way was just going to work. We didn’t run only team. We just needed to be able to run the ball but Herbert still needs weapons to throw the ball to as well.
This team is closer to the toilet bowl than they are to the Superbowl.
I'm disgusted.
People forget we were only a 5 win team last year. We were in a bad cap situation and still playing with a majority Telesco drafted team. It took the Lions 3 years to be competitive after they changed their front office and coaching staff.
Totally agree! It’s easy to just hit the panic button after a brutal loss like this. But in general, the arrow is pointing up for this team.
And YOU forget that this team was 7-3 at one point. Don’t start justifying a season collapse.
The Lions have a QB who had taken a team to the Super Bowl and now hes taken the Lions to the NFC championship game. We have a QB who cant even win a big regular season game but hes the 3rd highest paid QB in the league. Lions built that team because they weren't paying Goff much. We are nothing close.
@@michaelbell75 Ok , 1st , he WILL be paid the 5th highest contract [ NEXT ] year ! I just DON"T get how many DUMB AS#Ses do NOT get the 5th year [ PICK UP ] by the team on his ROOKIE deal ????? This is his [ 5th ] year ! DUMD AS#ES ? Bet I HAVE pointed this out at least 20 times OR more !
No one has forgotten we only won 5 games last year, its the only reason we have so many wins, we played a bunch of losers. We have yet to beat a team with a winning record. Rebuilding year or two for sure.
The INT was QJ's fault, watch the play. THAT was a Mike Williams special ... a huge jump ball chunk play.
QJ loses the ball in the air, does a 180 and falls down. The DB says "thanks, I'll take that" and catches the ball.
QJ is a QB/Coach killer who will make plays, then make HUGE mistakes in crunch time. Forever.
QJ hasn’t been good at all with contested catches. His inconsistency has been illustrated since he was drafted.
no its not his fault he should of thrown the ball away its that simple
As a Bucs fan I want to say that you guys have performed VERY well this year! 1st year with a new coach/system. Banged up quarterback. Missing running game. Next year you guys are going to be very scary!
As a buccs fans glad we got them when we did. All we had to do was shut down the run and it was a wrap. Chargers can be scary but once again proved vea over James lol gg chargers
@@brandenfunk4887 Bake baked! Defense spanked! receivers from Mike to Sterling shined!! 4th qtr? A blood bath. 😆😊😄
Appreciate the kind words. Your team kicked the shit out of us.
It is always next year for the Bolts.
So nice to hear from opposing fans like you. I love your QB, we’re Sooner alumni. We had field passes and he came over and chatted for a couple minutes and we got a pic with him.
Vita Vea MOVED our interior OL back 4 yards every play, it was ridiculous watching him shed our double-teams.
Vea over James buccs made right choice
Jason Kelce named Vita as 1 of the reasons he retired. Vita is a monster!
idk if yall attend the games but this my first season doing so in LA, we been showing out this season and its not even close in terms of the other years prior since moving from SD...let me tell yall though.. expensive as those tickets fucking are.. hard to defend why people should spend their hard earned money on wtf i witnessed today lmao
You got robbed my G
I was at the game and that performance was embarrassing
@ 17-13 at half but tbh it felt strange.. just simply no excuse..
Quite a bit of Bucs fans and they seemed louder than charger fans even in the first half. Game was pitiful yesterday being there, best part was chugging my beer on the jumbo tron LMAO
@@tge206Go Bucs!
Chargers offense only shows up for 2 quarters every game
Palmer was a no show
again
that’s who palmer is , all the palmer glazers when he makes a catch every 3 games are like “ sEe! “ … palmer is who he’s always been , a border line wr 3/4 . Fans need to wake up .
So was Herbert....
GOOD ! He can walk NEXT year . Along with Bosa , Chark , Pikkens , AS, JR , and ANY other players NOT making their money for this team .
@@robertd.7060 Herbert isn't making anywhere close to that $262 million contract, not even close. Hes the one who needs to go.
Denver is a blitzing team with quality CB's? We won't win that game.
Herbert gets beat up and now 4 days later we have a must win vs the Donks. We still cant run and frankly cant really pass at will either. Charging is alive and well
Everyone needs to realize that we are in the first season of a build year and we are overachieving. Next year we are going to have a lot of money we're going to address to holes in the offense and we need more defense Linebackers, DLine needs help, Interior Oline, RB, WR and TE
and where are all those players coming from? lol
was waiting for this one .. that was a HUMBLING reminder of where this roster is at the moment . We haven’t beaten a good team this year , the bucs talent was MILES ahead of ours and it showed . The offense disappears for halves at a time , it’s incredible how consistent this team is at only showing up for a half . This roster just isn’t good enough , the interior O line is pathetic , i swear to god if hortiz and Jim trot out pipkins , bozeman and more or less zion , they deserve everything that happens to them next season … the IOL is the root of a lot of problems for this offense .
What’s the point of making the playoffs when you can’t get too far to get a chance to make it to the Big Show. Chargers might as well tank and get a better position in the draft to fill their team needs
Yup Yup Yup
i’m so torn between this lol
Revenue...like every other professional sport
Sucks for chargers fans not having a running game especially with how the offense is built, while buccs have two really solid starters and good backup in Tucker
I can handle losing 1 score games to KC or even being a bit outmatched by PIT and BAL. But yesterday was embarrassing! TB is a good team but I wasn’t expecting a blowout.
To be fair, the Bucs have a very deep roster, they have overcome injuries at nearly every position and are jelling at the right time. They beat the Lions in Detroit and blew out the Eagles in Tampa, they have a bunch of close losses. They could easily be 11-3.
Very valid point about pass rushers. They are being paid as elite players and the production doesn't reflect that kind of money at all. We have too many games when there is barely any pressure on opposing quarterbacks. They are way too expensive for what they produce on the field.
Ehhh we needed a game like this
Ive given the front office the benefit of the doubt, but they got joe alt and forget about the rest of the oline in the draft. Pipkins is killjng us every game , and your line is only as good as uour weakest link. The fact thst we took junior colson over cooper beebe a dominant RG/C is the blunder that we pay every game. Why charger fans were so happy we took colson is a mystery to me. We also wasted picks on rice and anither reciever in the 7th when it shoukd have been oline.
Seemed like nobody in chats were as upset about not selecting Cooper bebee but me, because i knew! How bad our guards were...
Hortiz inherited the worst cap situation and a roster that had plenty of areas to address. He can only accomplish so much in just one draft and one offseason. They have had more success in this draft than any of Telesco’s. There are a handful of players contributing yet some are criticizing what Hortiz missed out on which seems short sighted and isn’t looking at the overall picture.
Did Chargers fans expect Hortiz to patch up every hole in just one off-season ? Has there ever been a Chargers draft that has had multiple players contributing as much as they’re in their first season as this one ?
@@keroutson no I like what hortiz is doing. I'm just saying this new organization came in and said the oline was the tip of the spear and only drafted one onlineman, when we clearly needed an upgrade everywhere but LT. Why are we drafting wide receivers in the 7th round who gets waived. Should have took two lineman at least. I'm just surprised the line wasn't adequately addressed last off-season, and Herbert has been hurt almost all year because of it. Also calling long develping plays is also the problem.
@@brianhenry7983 - Alt is already one of the better RTs in the league and they signed BB who is familiar with the o scheme. Perhaps they were expecting more from their interior OL. Chargers media outlets and plenty of fans were raving about Zion before the season started but he has been underwhelming in pass protection & TP has been even worse in pass protection. They could have drafted Frazier or JPJ in the 2nd but they had a depleted wr room so it made sense that they drafted LM who is their only wr who consistently creates separation. Hortiz can accomplish only so much in just one off-season. They had plenty of areas to address on both sides of the ball during the off-season so Hortiz deserves a ton of credit with how much he has accomplished.
The Chargers weren’t always this bad. I remember Rivers carving up the defense year after year
Herbert is trash
Did Mack play yesterday? Where on earth is this guy last two games?
When we score 17 in the 1st half and nothing in the 2nd... the OC is getting out schemed. If you leave our defense out there they will eventually fold. We need a better OC. Ravens moved on for a reason.
yes, defenses are shutting down Roman's schemes in the 2nd half .... every week.
It's a thing with Justin Herbert. Playoff game 2nd half, 2nd half of almost every game this year....2nd half of games are off script and hes absolute garbage when hes off script. Thats where actual GREAT QBs like Mahomes, Allen and a few others shine. Herbert is overrated AF.
@michaelbell75 bs. It's Roman getting out schemed. The other teams dc adjusts and Roman can't.
@@prestonfen27 Its Herbert choking as usual
@michaelbell75 Damn , what's up with you and Herbert, are you romanticizing him or what?
Got dominated on their own field, total embarrassment 😐
Romans Offense works well if you have RBs and a good OLine. A good OC will be able to make use of with less talented players and still create a scheme to be competitive.
Oh, blaming the OC again? Herbert has had how many now? 5? Yea, always the OCs fault though lol.
@@michaelbell75 Herbert Hater Spotted
@@VOLTAIRES_5 I like the guy and hes talented but hes just not a winner. Hasn't won't a single thing, it's year 5 and hes making top 3 QB money while delivering QB20 results. Overrated and overpaid.
Buccaneer fan here. It seemed to me that Justin Herbert was really hobbled by that ankle. It's snowballed in the second half. Give credit to Tampa Bay for a great game but it's just one game and the score doesn't matter. Just have to regroup and learn from it. The chargers should bounce back no problem. But the injury to Justin Herbert could be a big problem. Huge game for San Diego on Thursday night and they will need him big time if they want to compete.
Not San Diego anymore, but I still make that mistake also.
Thank you brotha, huge game, gg buccaneers are on a tear right now
What a head scratcher! The offense sputtering isn’t new. The defensive showing was horrible. Just despicable.
WE HAVE NO PLAY MAKERS EXCEPT LADD.. ITS SIMPLE.. NO OTHER RECEIVER WE HAVE CAN GET OPEN UNLESS THE DEFENSE JUST SLIPS.. NO RECEIVER WE HAVE CAN GO UP AND GET IT OR JUST GET OPEN ONCE PLAYS BREAK DOWN.. WE DONT HAVE BREAKOUT RBS.. OUR DEFENSE SCAMMED US BECAUSE ONCE OUR COMPETITION GETS TOUGH.. WE GET RAN UP
This was my first charger game that I didn’t get to see the game live or on tv But thank goddesses I was busy doing something else instead of watching that horrible performance. After looking at the highlights this team yesterday has no grit. It comes to show that we’re not ready for the big boys. Bozeman was awfully terrible
Getting blown.out on yo birthday aww man that's nuts...😂
We need Tyler Warren
The last 3 coordinators have not been able to run the ball. At some point the blame has to be put on the players. They have to rebuild the offensive line and also improve other positions on offense and defense. We have good coaching but it will take time to get to a championship caliber team. Patience guys.
fucking nailed it! thank you ! the IOL is fucking garbage , zion tre and bozeman are AWFUL . Bozeman should be sending i’m sorry letters to herbert every day this week . The common denominator for the last 3 seasons , zion and tre. I said next year if they don’t completely re haul the IOL they deserve everything that happens to them next season .
Kellen Moore was our OC last year. How is that run game looking in Philly with him? Barkley about to break the NFL record. You are right, we need players and we arent getting them with Herberts absurd contract unless he restructures. I have said we should trade him for picks and move off that contract. Thats the only way out of this.
Herbert is approaching being labeled injury prone
Typical ! They will lose to Denver , 50:50 against the Pats and I think the raiders have a decent shot at getting the last laugh .
Chargers fan since 1979 , I’ve seen this way to often , they would lose in the playoffs game against any team in the AFC .
All this Hype this season was overblown even with this weak schedule , and it’s the NORM , Staley got blamed for doing exactly what Campbell has done in Detroit , the difference was that lack of execution , talent on the O line and D line ..
Same trouble this year with a different staff …. Hey I’m available Mr. Spanos , I have and can identify talent without the big pay check …. No wonder why this franchise has to piggyback off the Rams , couldn’t get a deal done in San Diego where they were loved by fans they let down time and time again, A new Home , stadium, jersey , Staff , Coaches , $250 million dollar Qb , $150 tied up in 3 defensive players that can’t make it happen , ridding themselves of all their offensive weapons for nothing more than a mediocre team with a soft schedule and clearly no path to a Championship. I know next year it’ll happen, I’ve been saying that so long I don’t believe it and neither should anyone else . This team stinks …. Go Chargers ⚡️🏈⚡️
i’ve said this multiple times , if you get a turnover you HAVE to get points man , go for it on 4th down on a turn over ! points off turn overs are huge !
It's so soft for arm chair coaches to say"oh it's the first year of a rebuild, justvwait till next year..." I expect professional coaches and players to play to win every weekend. Those who say "wait for the rebuild" have never played sports.
Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. This team doesn’t have any offensive talent. The other teams they play are more talented. How do you expect them to beat good teams when they don’t have any good players on offense besides the quarterback and a slot WR
We need to bench Pipkens and start Saalyer. This would improve the running game a little bit
Why is it every coach come to our team? It seems like they’re winning track record dissipates.
Its to the point where I cant stand the I care as much as I do fr...
We done laid an egg- and I front of Judge Judy 💀
Final thought. I didn’t see a screen pass yesterday. Could have made a big difference.
What really worries me is that game after game our OC depends on 2 or 3 offenses to win a game and relies completely on the defense to keep the other team to score less than that. We have 2 good play called offenses per game and the rest are just a waste of time... Honestly, i don't think we will get anywere with Roman as the OC
"Locked on" is the best Chargers podcast!
It does get tiresome when the offense is trash
Great job Harbaugh. Way to earn that 16 million this year.
Defense looked like Staley's defense and offense only shows up for 2 quarters again.
Remove joey bosa
No Mile High, David. Home field is not yet an advantage for us.
When Justin can’t move we are 0-3. The rebuild is far from complete. A TE, WR, OG,OC, and RB are missing from our offense. Our D couldn’t pressure Baker or stop the run. I’m baffled by the performance we saw yesterday.
{ IF ] this team even reaches the Play offs this year . They are not going vary far in it ! Way to MANY holes & they didn't get ANY help in the trade dead line ? Broncos are going to KILL us at home, too !
Its tank season baby.
The Bucs are a surprise. Their OL was dominate. Our OL needs more pieces. Apparently Salyer, Jaimes, and McFadden aren’t the prototype OLineman that Harbaugh and Roman want.
It's still about the offensive line - they're not good enough run blocking
The Chiefs hangover, a real phenomenon.
🤘💙💪💙⚡️ that was a tough watch
Same o'le.... Same o'le... The Spanos curse is alive and well.
Im taking a step back on this team. After yesterdeay I honestly don't want to keep watching the games. ABsolutely embarrassing
How is kelen Moore doing with this Eagles?
This was almost as bad a the Jacksonville playoff game 😒
Chargers got punched in the mouth. Absolutely clapped.
8-9 gives us decent picks.
Jk Dobbins and Simi Fehoko played a big role on our offense and they’re both on IR smh. Tragic.
I appreciate y'all optimism sometimes but seriously u guys were literally just talking about what you'd do if the chargers went to the Super Bowl, like go on vacation or something, why do u get so excited off one fluke win to the bengals when this team has had obvious flaws since the running game stalled early in the szn...stay measured so the hype don't break us
Broncos are going to have a feast on TNF. lol
Without a running game, it becomes glaringly obvious that the defense adjusts to our simple passing game. That’s why we see Herbert fall off in the second half. without a play action threat, defenses just adjust to focus on him. Need dobbins back. WE RAN 11 TIMES YESTERDAY. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Well guess what? You need money to have a run game and Herbert is the 3rd highest paid QB in the league. We arent getting a run game until he either restructures his deal or we trade him for picks and move off his absurd contract.
@ herbs cap hit isn’t that bad. it’s 19M this year, 37 next year and 46 the year after. Lamar is 36m this year, 46m next year, 74 the year after… and they got derrick henry lol
@@TheProHopper Ravens already had a great O line and just needed a RB, we don’t. Also, Lamar has earned that money. Herbert can’t even win big games let alone a playoff game
No, 60% of Justin Herbert doesn't come close to 100% of Taylor Heinike. It looks like the pain from Herbert's injuries is tiring him out by the 3rd quarter in both of the last two games.
Derwin was out of position repeatedly. Morgan Fox isn’t an option when playing a good running team like TB. Taylor and Fulton are gone next year.
Has anyone done a deep dive into a correlation between the NFL scheduling all these teams for 3 games in an 11 day stretch and all the team injuries we are seeing? Obviously the more games you play the more risk there is but these 11 day 3 game stretches seem pretty brutal on teams to me. Lions are just one example. I'm very concerned about Herbert. His legs are taking a beating. That interior oline is going to get him killed.
No coach, no chargers, NO GOOD!
The first thing that Harbaugh said he was going to do this year was to protect Herbert and run the ball. 😠
When has Justin Herbert ever put the Superman cape on? 😂 We've been hearing fir years how he has no talent around him even know he had some pretty good recovers his first few years. Herbert is a good QB but he need everything around him to be almost perfect
If they get to 10 wins and make the playoffs, it will be a huge leap forward from last year... doesn't remove the bad taste left behind after this game... here's a cup half full thought. Maybe this torching helps us to keep Minter for at least another year... a year when they will have $75-$100 mil to spend on some talent plus another draft
$75 million is chump change lol. Especially when you need to replace an entire offense and your overrated QB is on an absurd $262 million contract he hasn't come anywhere close to earning. To give you an idea, Tee Higgins is making $21 million this year alone. Guess what hes gonna want for 4 years? $70 million easy. You are gonna get more garbage like Hunter Renfrow and Leonard Fournette with that limited money. More washed up players no one wants like we have now. The ONLY way out of this is moving off Herbert for picks and getting out of his contract. Then Hortiz has to hit multiple home runs in the draft and get playmakers we dont have to pay for 4 years. Good luck.
i’ve been saying this about the pass rush for a while , let mach and bosa go , get YOUNGER .. we al love mack , but let’s be honest he dissappears a lot , hin and joey make 50 plus million and they rarely wreck a game
The D needs another interior guy to go with Poona and Teair. Multiple corners and an Edge to replace Bosa and Mack are needed. 10 picks and Free Agency can fill these needs. Nix running wild worries me no end.
They went up 27 I turned it off lol
And now the broncos are gonna beat up on this team because they left Herbert in there to get destroyed while having a Thursday night game he’s gonna look even worse escpically with that kid Denver has coming for his head
Greg Roman will be the issue as this team moves forward. Oh he will. But this team needs a running game. I think Vidal has some upside but over the next years. Dobbins may be worth a one year. But may need to lean on giving a short term via free agency.
I think the Bolts need to focus on that defense and hopefully shopping Bosa. Still excited about the future.
Bolts need two games to make playoffs and it would be nice to get a w Thursday. Defense needs to win the game Thursday
Vidal looks good.
@ I like Vidal and I think he will emerge as the Bolts lead running back. But the Bolts will need someone to complement him and whomever is on this team moving forward. Wouldn’t object to getting a Chubb to go with the group. All we can do is Bolt Up
Very warranted criticism. This should be the film used for Ortiz in the off season. Fix everything you saw wrong in this game and we will be fine 🫡 awful
Miss Scifres..
our offense no is the issue I don’t know if it’s a Greg Roman issue or Justin Herbert is not playing where he needs to be, but there is something going on and it is ridiculous
This is an OC coaching problem. You can see what a good coach can do when you look at the Chargers defense.
What Chargers defense? give me a break Minter is way overrated just like Staley, but if you want to crown him then crown him but don't complain later
minter owned bad teams, it’s true , every decent to good offense has beat him .
Just like Kellen Moore had to go last year right? How is that Philly offense looking this year? Top 3 and Barkley about to break the rushing record. It's not the OC, we have a trash roster, Hebert included
5 minute mark of this video: if yall knew all of this about the Chargers offense and defense, you still "expected" them to dominate Tampa. That's what's asinine! Tampa is ranked very high in many offensive categories. One is #1 on 3rd down percentage. Top ten rushing offense from Tampa.. True leadership on defense from Lavonte. Idk what the Chargers thought was gonna happen.
We better get our coats ready we’re going to somewhere cold if we make the playoffs. (Most likely will)
If Chargers Defense responds from last Sundays blowout loss to Bucks . Otherwise they won’t win this Thursday
Greg Roman gtg
Just like Kellen Moore had to go last year right? How is that Philly offense looking this year? Top 3 and Barkley about to break the rushing record. It's not the OC, we have a trash roster, Hebert included.
Asante apparently isn’t a Minter guy. What is going on with this guy?
He’s on IR
We were exposed by a better team. Pipkins isn’t a starter at guard, Bozeman is an average center, and Johnson is a disappointment, so Herbert was battered again. There just aren’t enough play makers on offense which was made clear yesterday.
It’s hard to play good defense when they are forced to be on the field for 2/3 of the game.
Let’s be honest.. they over achieved so far this season, and over the off season they will need to dive into the free agent market and make more good choices in the draft in order to get the players they need to take the next step.. they will have the money they need to do so.
Lastly, Harbaugh has made some questionable decisions. In the first half they should have gone for it on 4th down, but they punted instead, and netted 22 yards. Too many other examples to mention here, but we need to be much more aggressive if we want to be successful.
Let’s be happy for the success we have achieved so far, and look forward to better days ahead.
So what happened to the “Imagine Herbert with a running game” & “We have to protect a crown jewel of the NFL” talk I heard all off season. Bozeman needs to sit he cannot handle blitz adjustments and absolutely got killed all game long. Roman definitely not the answer either he needs to go!!!
A good championship team is able to face this adversity and adapt to find ways to Win, let’s call the Chiefs lucky. But they win. This team lacks that. I’m tired of our losing excuses of next man up, players are hurt….
One day. It will change
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If we lose to the broncos then we might be on the verge of an end of the season collapse and even if we still sneak into the playoffs with 8 or 9 wins it'll be a sour accomplishment..
I get everyone hates Greg Roman but how’s he suppose to run it with a shit ass IOL and Gus Edward’s who’s slower than a mf
When is JK Dobbins coming back?
Greg needs to go! We do not have good RB and no good weapons besides Ladd
Bucs never punted 🤬
The offense its bad. It had being that way the last month. Only played 2 quarters a game and the other 2 disapears. The defense was very conserning. 3 and 12 and its a massive passing td to the best wr. Its a brandon staley dejavu.... the culture has not changed 100%
Bruh yall are making a bit too many excuses for Herbert he has had teams with a lot of weapons.. however the problem is our O Line thats why we don’t have a run game also need a better RB but man we always find a way were Herbert can’t do wrong which is ridiculous
Fulton has been bad!
as i have said before our defense is only ranked because of the trash teams we have played..hopefully bosa goes im tired of the flags
Blaming Roman for no running game when the RB1 is down is crazy. Even crazier to blame him for no run game when we all know the interior line is bad. EVEN crazier to blame him in year 1 😂 can’t scheme better if rbs are bad and wr can’t get open quickly 😂 you can get away with 1 but 2 plus a bad line nobody can do anything with that
No it’s not crazy because even when our starting running back was here, we still had a sporadic run game and we had a horrible interior offensive line and we had no one else to throw the ball to besides Ladd they knew all this all year and did nothing about it because they were stubbly thinking the horrible way was just going to work. We didn’t run only team. We just needed to be able to run the ball but Herbert still needs weapons to throw the ball to as well.
How about a little sense of urgency from JH!