ESTP 8w7 vs ESFP 8w7: Enneagram Series with Taylor Briggs of Flow State and John Szyhowski
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- ESFP 8w7 and ESTP 8w7 discuss their experiences as their Enneagram type.
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As an INTJ I really appreciate these interviews with Se doms that enjoy and learn the system of type! Being able to have that common language and framework makes everything so much easier to discuss. As much as Se and Ni doms have massive differences it's almost more fascinating to observe the areas where we have similarities!
Totally agree!
31:10 yeah, as an esfp with my kids, my calm during stress is super useful and calming for my family. My ENFP wife panics, my parents/mother-in-law freeze, etc. they try to plan too much, whereas I just say “WE ARE DOING THIS.”
ENFJ here that had rough experiences with both types in my past.
But they are growing on me.
I love the momentum in them but I guess it is the recklessness and when people get hurt I flinch a bit.
Very interesting and darn charming guests!
Flow state and Joyce’s interactions are so funny 😆
And as always, John, way to represent the ESFPs!
@@Hypatia350 totally agree! She’s wonderful. ❤️
I am Se-Te ESFP 8w7 or 7w8 and also dealt with early life addictions and hedonistic pleasures. Also agree that being in chaos (emergency) is the most calming feeling. When unhealthy, though, Se doms create their own chaos to find that "flow state" at the expense of other people's peace.
@@johnnymiller9622 Johnny that's crazy man. I am MM SeTe PB/SC, but I told OPS I feel like PCSB. My enneagram has bounced a bunch, but right now, after talking with a certified coach, I am fairly sure I land on 7w8 sp/so. Did you know you were ESFP before typing?
@@johnnymiller9622 I recently got 873 tritype as well brother. Crazy. My 8 was barely above 7, then 3 was next but farther behind. But I am more likely 7w8, though, but the 7 questions/content is often aimed at the sterotypical bubbly 7w6.
@@justinbroady I totally get it. On tests, including the Fauvre test, I’m back and forth between Core 7 and 8. I just relate slightly more to 7, so claim that.
@@justinbroady our speech pattern and speed is pretty similar. I was back and forth between Blast third and last until I realized my Sleep is better than last. You do not seem to have the frenetic energy of PB to me. That’s a whole different level of extraversion, without the “chill.” Even as double extraverts, when that Blast is a Savior, it’s a completely different energy. Anyway, I look forward to knocking our heads together! Cool.
@@justinbroady to continue answering (sorry I’m jumping around), I first tested INFJ and INTJ on assessed MBTI’s. The OPS “classic,” upside down typing. It didn’t take long once I started actually studying, to know something was off. I thought I was an STP before deep-diving into OPS, though I had been typed ESFP at Personality Hacker. I just related too much to the “ST” aspects of SeTe! But, it’s definitely Te, not Ti for me. As far as that goes, it’s M Se, Te and Fe for me! The identity aspect of my F-Fi is something I’m working on, but am getting there and am solid on my type.
Hands down one of the most informative episodes. I've never seen such a beautiful side-by-side view of Fi vs Ti
Wow, thanks! Nice to hear that, Kat. Agreed that John and Taylor are great examples of their types. :)
John, to answer your question about Harvey, you are correct, that was in Texas. It was mainly here in the Houston (not Dallas) metro area and further south along the coast. Several of my coworkers had 3 feet of water in their homes. And thank you for coming down here to help people. That is really generous and loving. I know you must have helped so many people and made their lives be a little less horrible from that catastrophe. 🧡🤗
@Joyce You're literally the best! I love what you do and how much you put into all of this, you're amazing! Thanks for all the work you do!
I agree sir. She is a really a great moderator. The amount of different personalities she can deal with is amazing.
Good stuff John. You use a lot of Se gathering in dialogue.
Thank you for being such a wonderful guest, John!! You have such great and piercing observations. :) I had a blast hearing about your adrenaline inducing stories.
Lol Taylor, I thought I was ESTP until I saw this. You guys are really action oriented. Highly admirable, and your Se really sees everything... Wynstansmom recommended I compare our types, but no man. I don't have y'all's skills. Cool session Joyce.
Joyce at 28:30 “... how do I stop this?” Hahaha
I'm guessing you saw the bullshit meters also ramping up, its funny when you can ready body language for deceit. Military doesn't even have ARs, you can see the ESTP look off to the left to verify his own logic about that time. hahaha. Glad I wasn't the only one to call it.
4w5 or 5w4, and yet in so many ways I can relate to both of them. Very interesting, so many points of view of which I share, but certainly it may "Play out" differently.
ESTP here. I would intervene to stop a car theft, provided I didn't put myself in a position where I was likely to get killed. Then it's car vs life, no matter whose car it is.
I've had cars stolen.
That said, if I had a criminal record and a suspended sentence, I would have to prioritize keeping out of trouble, myself.
Bein. A estp too I wouldnt give a fuck given how Im good at it
I'm only partway through but great video guys! really informative as well as entertaining!
Much appreciated, Shane!
The dude on the right is basically me with a kid. Ultra weird to see yourself in another person.. Like your own legit fuckin doppelganger. Kind of sucks being an ESTP - A 8w7 and keeping friends around. I can make friends anywhere; It just begs the question of can I keep them around. My intensity is probably why I can only keep like 5 to 10 loyal friends at any given time. Especially if at any point you've gotten into a real argument with them.. basically you'll say ANYTHING to win it. I for example have a bad habit of getting too amped up and dominating the conversation when I'm not necessarily meaning to. At the end of it though you feel guilty about it and feel the overwhelming urge to apologize and squash the "beef" so to speak.
Edit: It's been 3 years and I now have 2 daughters.. one funny enough turns 3 this year. So now I feel what this man is saying even more lol. This personality stuff is actually accurate, and it is hard for me to admit being pinned down like that to a "type".. Having grown up very skeptical of these type things, probably due to stuff like horoscopes and zodiac signs, but this is surprisingly refreshing.
I keep the real, loyal ones around. Usually, the fake ones drop themselves off (or in rare cases, I drop them off). The 5 have stuck around for the longest. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
@@darth6129 Same.. I have like 6 real ride or die types and that's enough for me at this point in my life. I can always make more if I cared enough to. I luckily haven't scared off any I was actually close with to date. Just the fair weather ones like you said, and everyone's better off without those.
I am a really bad car passenger... the way I can 100% identify whether someone is an ESFP or ESTP is that they are the only people I feel absolutely safe driving me places without me feeling the need to stop and take over... me ISTP.
Agreed! Joyce is so good at compliments & bringing out the best in people!! 💗💗
Thank you so much, @Linds Lou!! :) Your comment brought a smile to my face.
It's so fun to hear John tell the stories about the kids in Tai Kwan Do classes. I totally agree with these guys that it's so important to get in there and experience things. Experience is a great teacher. Many of us can learn other ways as well, but experience is the most direct route. LOL And especially in a sport, c'mon, you are not going to learn something physical unless you get physical. And it builds confidence and character. Although so does intellectual understanding but that's more in non-physical scenarios. Again, there is a place for both.
Quick question, wouldn't Fe care about all people and Fi only care about their people. 16:35 - 22:27
Super cool video! These guys are so much more active than I am as an ISTP 5. I feel like I’m waaay more reluctant in every area you guys talked about. I’ve always thought of my Se as easily discouraged, mostly by being aware of consequences, and later in life Fe things sort of like Joyce mentioned. I think I have a lifestyle that provides a lot of moments where my Se can shine, but these guys seem like they make whatever lifestyle they have as Se and intense as possible. I feel like I need Taylor to just yell at me all the time, or I already have an internal Taylor and Joyce both whispering in different ears. Your interactions were amusing, and John was asking a lot of great questions! I always get a lot out of the videos I see with any of the three of you.
STOP BEING RELUCTANT AND GO BE FUCKING AWESOME!
Entp 8w7 here, super interesting interview. I found myself relating to the intervention thing. Couple years back, one of my friends was going through some crazy stuff with their parents. To me, allowing it to continue being an issue, was not an option. Somehow, at 19 and without a job, I managed to drive across 3 states and pick up my friend. They live on their own now and are in a much better position in life.
1:31:00 Se doms don’t do fluff. I’m not surprised! Fluff, to me, is a “feeling out” process. We don’t do that- when it’s time to talk, it’s time to talk.
Thank you so much for explaining how Ni and Ti work together. That makes so much sense and now not so worried about some kind of dementia setting in. Maybe I'm using Ni 🙂🙂 Finally
This video is a great representation of Se values.
Thanks, Samuel!
My brother has a lot of similarity with mr Flow State
I'd been raised around EP people and also my first long term relationship was with one. When I see this energy, It feels like home to me :) I love you guys You are the best!!!! From an infj :)
Man, this was so fascinating to hear these two ESPs Joyce! Thank you! And thank you John and Taylor for doing this panel and for being so vulnerable sharing your personal stories. 🙏🏼 I learned about lot. My brother is an ISTP and he seems halfway in between John and Taylor. He's not into firearms or anything like that but he's an electrician and loves projects around the house. He's got that take charge attitude of both, the cocky confidence and sort of a lack of perspective re politics that you see in Taylor but a bit more of the sweetness you see in John. Fun panel! I stayed up WAY too late watching it to the end. :-)
I'm starting to like Joyce's laugh
“After fifteen minutes im amped, i can really go all night”
Spoken like a true 8w7 brother
I would be interested to know more about how each of you handle fear of betrayal as noted by E8 descriptions.
I'd be happy to discuss it, but would probably need the question teed up more specifically
@@FlowState let me think on that topic a bit more and get you a developed framework for that discussion
Taylor, questions on this:
1) are you aware of the fear of betrayal?
2) can you provide examples of being betrayed?
3) what do you do to prevent feeling betrayal?
4) are "lack of trust" and "betrayal" the same thing or different?
I look up to 8s a lot for the courage I could never possess. I’m an infj 9w1.
John, what you are describing at 48:15 is what many of us introverts feel on a routine basis. It's so wild to hear you describe it as a rare thing for you to need to pull into yourself because it's just so normal for us introverts. We get stimulus overload and if we don't manage and control the shutdown ourselves, then our body will end up doing it for us and it will be worse in those situations because we have let it go too long and now we're CRANKY and literally NEED to be alone. I've got COVID right now and have been quarantined and letting this virus run it's course here by myself for the last 8 days (I have sweet friends and family checking on me) and aside from being sick, I am SO HAPPY.
Don't get me wrong. I had a panic attack the first two days right before I got my COVID results and REALLY had an attack when I got the positive results because I was afraid what if I had one of those bad cases and died or something. But as the week wore on I realized I have a mild case, thank GOD, and my anxiety has been completely under control. I mean, I don't think I have been this happy in years. Part of that is realizing I'm not going to die of COVID, so that's relief happiness but also, it's because I FINALLY got AWAY from everyone and all the work and social obligations and have had the chance to do MY dominant function for once, for a good chunk of time, and I feel like I'm me again.
I spent almost the entire day mentally creating my business plan (and typing up the outline and notes) for my UA-cam channel and a sister company I started several years ago and how I want merge them together. I finally was able to construct the whole framework in my mind (Joyce you'd appreciate what I mean) and it is something I've been working at for a year but never had the chance to just give it my full attention. The only other bummer with COVID, aside from being sick, and it DOES SUCK, is that I have not had ANY energy at all, because I'm so short of breath, to DO a lot of the physical things around the house that I want to do. But I can BE MYSELF and use that Ni. It's so great. It's such a relief to get this time with my Ni. It must be similar to how you guys (John and Taylor) feel when you are in the flow state like at an emergency situation. I am definitely in the flow state when I'm using my Ni. I've been in that flow state all day.
where does the intensity comes from: they are more in the moment and unlike ne doms, that's sensory moment, sensory reality (as opposed to potentiality). affecting reality whether that is people or things just more enjoyable and thrilling and stimulating to them. so the more they affect things, the more energy they get. what are the physical limits of people? how easy to bend this people's will (or how hard)? figuring that out, testing them is both stimulating and interesting to them.
otherwise and in general and neurologically even: you basically get more energy by using your dominant function because your brain rewards you by using your more developed neuron pathways. a mountain climber gets energy from mountain climbing, a philosopher gets energy from philosophizing, a troll gets energy from trolling, an diplomat gets energy from making people like them.
Taylor's shirt is killing me lmao
everyone has insecurities. make no mistake. an estp can see certain things entps do as insecurities but certain things estp do are insecurities for entp too. estp will feel insecure when thrown too much ne too fast, for example. everyone has a demon function aka superego role which is a role you do not "really" want to do but you are doing it regardless.
It’s so nice listening to this I wish there was more estp videos and channels. MAH PEOPLE 😂. Literally doing things to switch career paths to paramedics. This mafia mob mentality with people I super relate to as well lol I grew up beating up boys who messed with my little sister , even tho I have three older brothers like 😂 I have legit moved and drove up to someone in my life’s house when I got a 3am call her locked in the bathroom with her husband being “threatening” and her wanting to move out that night but she’s scared. She was also scared when I said I’m coming lol 😂stay in there til I arrive, she was worried if he’ll hurt me. 😂😂 I told her ur husband has been afraid of me since the day I told him we’re not friends now Bec he’s dating you lol😂. And it’s never changed I’m not worried. And I kept him away from her while focusing her packing on the spot. Filling up her car with all her shit and took her TF out of there. Lol.
Def noticed it’s like my brain super focuses and merges with instincts and there’s this calm , when everything is complete chaos 😂and I just go calm and decisive in go mode.
I also don’t relate to defending everybody but it’s def more than just my family /“chosen family” lol who becomes sort of part of my mafia in my mind or something. It can also be particular types of Victimhood/underdog that is personal to me. Child abuse and similar vibe is def a thing I will always react to and defend. Same with domestic abuse /men to their gf or wives type of thing. Certain types of situations will def trigger my defend them Justice trigger , outside of just “my family” circle but they def have to be issues near and dear to me other wise I tend to adopt the , I didn’t see shit type of thing Lolol I think for estp it might be this sort of … I will at all costs not want to be a sort of like “narc”/tattle tale type enforcing officer sort of person … right up until the line that Justice trigger is flipped then I’m all up in it 😂. Bjt def not the general public just Bec it’s wrong or whatever. Was interesting to hear the esfp seems to have a more general public (Fi?) that’s generally wrong type of view for the Justice thing.
Great interview
Thanks, Zoya!
I think you are right Joyce about Se just wanting to do stuff. As an INTJ, I have inferior Se and my ISTP brother has Se as his second functon (I say that for those who don't know the stack of our types) and we used to love to "wrastle" when we were kids LOL. One of us would go over to the other and be like "hey, do you wanna wrastle?" And the other would be like "Sure" and jump on each other. LOL Good times.
I’ve absolutely experienced time slowing down. It’s amazing. But always when real bad things are happening like getting attacked on the street. I wouldn’t mind experiencing it when I’m not terrified but I’m not sure how ... - intj f 4w5
joyce probably hates hearing this and im sure she's probably closer to 30 but she looks about 11 and i die everytiem cause shes so flippin cute
Thanks! Asians are fountains of eternal youth.
I’m curious why you put the thumbnail with him in sunglasses. Plus they both have caps. Is that showing a stereotype? Or is just random.
Ummmm... I’d say random, it’s just our profile pics 😂
lol 100%. I think I am estp (possibly ISTP?) and 8w7 so/Sp/sx anddd when I had my daughter everything changed. Same ish. I tell her now. I genuinely believe you saved my life 😂 and nailed my feet to the ground. But in a good way 😂. I legit would say that same thing to myself about consewjences , I can’t have my daughters mom potentially do this thing that is let’s say illegal 😂lol or wharveee. She deserves a mom not I. Jail. So it all became so diff for real. 😊
Also did John say "Ozarks" like the show? How's it over there?
Is it possible that you got raided taylor bc of ur SX/SO?
As in, we're the IV stacking you'd expect that from?
It's interesting that they thought that, simply because hers comes from long-term contexts, she does not experience pleasure or that she withholds pleasure from herself. She did not say that she doesn't experience pleasure. She said she does not experience it if it does not come from something that is part of her long-range plan. I assume most of her actions are related to her long-term goals so she experiences quite a bit of pleasure on a daily basis from all of those experiences. We could turn their interpretation around on them, Flow State and John, and say "Wow, it's sad that you guys don't feel pleasure, because you don't experience the thrill from planning out your amazing life and watching as each of your carefully-planned goals manifests into fruition. I don't approve of you denying yourself that pleasure."
i very strongly relate to protecting the underdog in an estp way as an entp. i will definitely give zero shit to somebody stealing a license plate, especially from a mercedes or bmw, hahah. fuck the rich. but police brutality or racism drives me crazy.
Yea! That was so good!
Video suggestion: can u make an INTJ (Michael) Vs. ESTJ (Amy)' video please? Thank you Joyce :)
Sure! Any specific questions you have for them? :)
@@JoyceMeng22 Intjs and estjs seem to be the two types that clash the most. And this is also true for me personally as an intj, as I find estjs the most difficult type to deal with.
It would be interesting to ask them questions regarding their experiences dealing with each other, potential source of clashes and why it happens so frequently with these two types.
I could also suggest that maybe a group of intjs vs entjs would be preferable to gain multiple perspectives. Thanks again for your great content!
The most Alpha MBTI pair!
8w7s are rad. :)
Wow, my camera is garbage
Yes, yes it is...and you're right, military doesn't issue ARs. ;)
….the need for adrenaline I totally get!
😂 where does all the intensity come from. An eternal well. Aka … prob our lack of presence with certain emotional stuff funneled out through “acceptable” emotional drives towards Se spewing. All unconscious of course 😂. It took me to I think 36yo to realize usually when I was “angry” a huge chunk of the time I was actually … some other emotion lol😂 so. That. Perhaps
Im sure Taylor has seen this. This scene in Poetic Justice back in the day. Tupac and Janet Jackson. Id have to watch the move over again but I would guess its probably also fun look at what a young INFJ and ESTP romance would look like. I think they butt heads pretty hard in the movie.
I agree with you Joyce that ESTP are a lot less lilely to get involved unless...
Watch "Poetic Justice - Big Fight Scene (Iesha , Chicago , lucky)" on UA-cam
ua-cam.com/video/dHy4yhcs_gk/v-deo.html
I'm trying to figure out if I am an ENFP or an ESFP so watching these videos to see if there is anything I identify with. As a woman it is hard to identify with this much macho energy. It's funny to watch though because I know so many guys like this.
Both Taylor and John are Enneagram 8w7! So they'll be more intense and 'macho' versions of their type. I have some ESFP vs ENFP videos though. :) Perhaps those will be more helpful for you!! Thanks for watching, @iHay!
@@JoyceMeng22 I am slowly watching my way through all the EFP videos. I just bounce around. Funnily enough John is the ESFP that I can identify with the most, I just feel like I have to run everything through a male to female translator. I'm starting to see similarities in the way we think (or act or function or whatever you call it lol). I'm still trying to identify what Se and Ne means exactly and which I use. These videos are helping so much, I really appreciate you and all who made them happen 😊
Okay gotta step in and do a bit of damage control here. When you guys are talking about "anxiety", it sounds like you are really just talking about worrying or being stressed (I'm not really referring to you Joyce since I suspect you are holding back on relating your more severe symptoms, so more referring to John). That is NOT anxiety. Actual anxiety is more severe. Think of it like when people sort of casually say "I'm depressed" when they've had a bad day. But they aren't actually depressed. It's important to be careful the words you use so that you don't minimize what people are going through who are truly suffering from anxiety or depression. Those are very serious conditions.
I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and I assure you, you are NOT going to go to sleep if you are feeling anxious. You don't sleep when your heart is pounding so hard that it feels like it is literally pounding against your ribs and your mind is flashing INCESSANT images or thoughts that won't stop and just keep coming at you. Your body is releasing all kinds of chemicals that are not able to be processed. I could go on. Panic attacks are a whole level up from that and they are terrifying. It's literally physically exhausting as if you actually suffered an attack and it can leave you totally drained the next day. If you suffer from anxiety your panic, you are very clear about it. There is no wondering about it. That being said, you are so adorable John. Just gotta keep you guys honest.
also, you must watch this if you are into politics: ua-cam.com/video/dsODRfCMRoM/v-deo.html
Taylor, at 1:26:30, you do realize that collecting guns and bullets is not different than a prepper collecting their resources (self-pres), food and water stores, etc. whatever they may be, right? You sound like a self-pres to me. On a related note, I totally agree re the financial markets. The stock market is a bubble. There is no true price discovery. Stock prices are going up on companies who have made no profit in months (zombie corporations). I could go on and on. It's insane. But that's the power of perception. Half of the power of our economic system is people's belief that it is trustworthy. The moment they lose that faith, it's going to come crashing down. I agree you gotta have hard assets and I do. ;-) Oh, and I was called a 5w6 for that btw. :-)