I like that Brian says the name “Jesus” a lot. It helps people like me to recover that name from our personal evangelical shipwrecks, having associated it for so long with a morally dissociated warlord, and enable us to confess the person who owns that name with the integrity of a slowly-recovering conscience.
The way I see it, the old testament scripture don't define God, they define mans view of God. The God that would exist if man created God instead of the opposite. The New Testament scripture actually define God through Christ and His actions at the Cross!!!!
@@seoclarity4236 He sure did.... "you have heard it said, but I say". "you have read, but I say". "Burnt offerings and sacrifice I never desired, I desire mercy, not sacrifice". Yes, Jesus quoted from OT writings and He also corrected OT writings.
It's interesting to me that after all the time talking about his research and desire to go back to the Christianity that Jesus founded, he then made the sign of the cross backwards and did not position his fingers properly. For any Catholic who might read this: Yes I realize from your perspective you saw him do it normally. It looks fine to you because you do it wrongly too. The Catholics made this change in the 15th-16th centuries. This is ironic because of course this is the same time as when Martin Luther did his thing. So it's interesting because Brian Zahnd is talking about how changes made by Protestantism made Christianity too thin and too modern. But directly after saying this, he then crosses himself in the changed nontraditional manner where they dropped the symbolism (in other words, made it thin and modern). He's doing, no doubt completely unconsciously, exactly what he he's disapproving of. It kind of goes along with a video where I saw Scott Klaudt talking about how Martin Luther changed things without authority and formed a new religion. It was the same situation then as it is in this conversation, because what Martin Luther was doing is forming a new religion out of an older one, but that older one was itself a reformation. What Martin Luther did to the Catholic church in 1517, the Catholic church itself had done in 1054. Unmarried priests, Purgatory, penal substitution, unleavened bread, the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, divine simplicity, the beatific vision, etc. None of those things are original to Christianity. They're just as much alterations to the faith of the original apostolic church as are Martin Luther's denial of free will, the five solas, transforming religious artwork, removing books from the Bible, etc. This tendency to view things through the lens of a Western perspective rather than from a neutral standpoint is well known when it comes to secular philosophy, politics, and history. Eurocentrism. But when it comes to religion, it's not as well known and people don't tend to be as aware of it.
Thank you Pastor Zahnd for being the OG of this movement and it's great to become acquainted with Zootown!
Been looking for these conversational truths for so long! I’m so glad to have stumbled upon them✨
I just started the divine conspiracy yesterday and stumbled upon this interview today
I like that Brian says the name “Jesus” a lot. It helps people like me to recover that name from our personal evangelical shipwrecks, having associated it for so long with a morally dissociated warlord, and enable us to confess the person who owns that name with the integrity of a slowly-recovering conscience.
The only problem is he doesn't quote Jesus. Jesus is more of a mascot than anything to him.
You certainly don't know Brian at all, and you shot in the dark comment shows that.
@@SethMason88
the conversation about the nature of the trinity was very Catholic :)
well said!
Israel: a name God gives to those grafted in to Himself
The way I see it, the old testament scripture don't define God, they define mans view of God. The God that would exist if man created God instead of the opposite. The New Testament scripture actually define God through Christ and His actions at the Cross!!!!
And yet Jesus refer to the Old Testament over 90 times
@@seoclarity4236 Did he say anything about the Old Testament God?
@@seoclarity4236 He sure did.... "you have heard it said, but I say". "you have read, but I say". "Burnt offerings and sacrifice I never desired, I desire mercy, not sacrifice". Yes, Jesus quoted from OT writings and He also corrected OT writings.
Brian what makes you think that tongues is for today and is practiced appropriately in the Charismatic Church?
What make you think that it isn’t
It's interesting to me that after all the time talking about his research and desire to go back to the Christianity that Jesus founded, he then made the sign of the cross backwards and did not position his fingers properly.
For any Catholic who might read this: Yes I realize from your perspective you saw him do it normally. It looks fine to you because you do it wrongly too.
The Catholics made this change in the 15th-16th centuries. This is ironic because of course this is the same time as when Martin Luther did his thing. So it's interesting because Brian Zahnd is talking about how changes made by Protestantism made Christianity too thin and too modern. But directly after saying this, he then crosses himself in the changed nontraditional manner where they dropped the symbolism (in other words, made it thin and modern). He's doing, no doubt completely unconsciously, exactly what he he's disapproving of.
It kind of goes along with a video where I saw Scott Klaudt talking about how Martin Luther changed things without authority and formed a new religion. It was the same situation then as it is in this conversation, because what Martin Luther was doing is forming a new religion out of an older one, but that older one was itself a reformation. What Martin Luther did to the Catholic church in 1517, the Catholic church itself had done in 1054. Unmarried priests, Purgatory, penal substitution, unleavened bread, the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, divine simplicity, the beatific vision, etc. None of those things are original to Christianity. They're just as much alterations to the faith of the original apostolic church as are Martin Luther's denial of free will, the five solas, transforming religious artwork, removing books from the Bible, etc.
This tendency to view things through the lens of a Western perspective rather than from a neutral standpoint is well known when it comes to secular philosophy, politics, and history. Eurocentrism. But when it comes to religion, it's not as well known and people don't tend to be as aware of it.
Not if you are Greek Orthodox.
I bought that book it’s horrible. It looks legalistic horrible. I didn’t see anything nice about it.
😂
There is no hope in an apostates apostasy.