Who DECIPHERED CUNEIFORM???
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- The Mystery of Cuneiform, or, Deciphering a Dead Script - how do we know what cuneiform even says, anyway? How did scholars get from complete confusion when confronted with these little wedges to being able to provide complete translations?
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Just recently started learning how to write cuneiform. Searching for youtube channels who provide references and yours is very professionally put together. Thank you!!
I can barely imagine the paragon of a mentality it would take, at that period in history, at that period in science, and linguistics to be able to deduce that a writing system for one language must not have been designed for that language, but for another, as yet, unknown language without modern survivor or daughter language populations of that original language upon which to base that deduction. Thank you for this concise, but thorough history of the recovery of cuneiform.
You're very welcome - and I entirely agree. The people who worked on this (especially Hincks) truly were exceptional scholars.
@@DigitalHammurabi Having been a university professor, I was not surprised by the catty comments and turf fights. Academic office politics is a well known curse! The program I was teaching in, at the university's Japan Campus, was actually killed, the Japan campus too, as a result of such short-sighted feuding [sigh!] and the dean was forced into early retirement.
That was a 3-way fight for control by the History, English and ESL Departments. I hope [despite the history] that Near-Eastern Studies, Assyriology, Semitic Languages, etc. are less prone to turf fights now.
History Is a Lie: The Behistun Inscription Is Fake. The Persian History is all a big lie.
See the below video! It destroys the main and only strong source and claim about Persian history!
All those stories about Persian empire is a Lie.
ua-cam.com/video/rgbTvPdRhik/v-deo.html
@@JMM33RanMA And you have the Tesla-Edison 'competition'. Humans. I'm not in academia, but that makes me sad. How far could we be if we could set our egos and our niches aside? I am Hobby linguist with 5 languages of various skill levels, and I agree with the OP. Using related languages to translate unknown texts would be insanely difficult in and of themselves. But to ascertain what Hinks did regarding cuneiform's origination from a language isolate? God, that's next-level shit right there. And my understanding is that the Society never recognized him like they did their buddy Rawlinson.
More importantly we have information on Aſſur son of Sem. Aſſur built Ninive, Rekoboþ, Kale, and Reſen. Arphaxad was more docile. 🕯️📜✍🏼
it's still mind blowing to me how scholars were able to translate such ancient texts
Megan. this is brilliant! So much history with the major players...inspired me to watch twice. It's a marvel that deciphering this script, along with hieroglyphics, the Mayan codices etc. has increased the breadth of written history by thousands of years beyond what was accessible a mere few hundred years ago. Amazing innit?
Wonderful presentation!
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I'd really no idea how new your science is until this video.
Great show.
Peace.
It surprised me too when I first started! I'd assumed it was contemporary with the study of Greece and Rome...but not so much!
Best explanation so far for Cunei form of writing and it being deciphered. I was always curious since we never found a Rosette stone like with did for ancient Egyptian.
Great video on a truly fascinating subject. I was particularly impressed to learn that cuneiform has been used for close to 4,000 years!
Thank you so much! Cuneiform is awesome, and I'm always amazed by the sheer longevity of it as a writing system.
4:10 That German fellow seems rather unconcerned about what's happening in the background. Must be pretty confident in that spear he's holding.
Love your videos so much! :)
So glad I stumbled upon your channel have been deeply Facilitated by All these Ancient Cultures for Many Years and my College Years and my Degree Study in Cultural Anthropology/ Archeology
So glad to have you with us!
Excellent video. 👍
Imagine what a soldier, diplomat, teacher, scientist etc. can all achieve together....
Given any unknown script how did they :
1. Make assumptions about which words were proper nouns?
2. How did they assume they were Darius or the names of Satrapies. Jumping straight to conclusions?
3. Figure out what sounds these weird scripts were making.
4. The local Iranians had thought of these kings as some other kings from Shahnamae.
5. Where did the knowledge about Satrapies and names of kings come from before the inscription was deciphered?
6. Looks like they set out to with the end in mind and ended up deciphering whatever they wanted from the beginning.
I thoroughly enjoy your work. I think you should know that despite being subscribed and having "rung the bell" I am not receiving notifications of your video releases. I have redone both and hope to begin being notified again.
A popular ancient tech UA-camr brought up Sitchin, and pointed out his absurd theories but didn't seem to know that Sitchin really made up most of what he said and wrote. I took the liberty of posting this address so that anyone interested in Cuneiform and the translations of Sumerian, Akkadian, etc. would be able to access your amazing videos.
Best wishes, and keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you Jay - both for the comment and sharing our work, and for the heads up about the notification issues! I'll see if there's anything on our end we can do to help with that latter bit :)
@@DigitalHammurabi Thanks. I hope this won't result in your being subjected to attacks by Sitchinists and von Dummkopfists. I just feel that people with real hard-won credentials should be consulted rather than mercenary frauds.
I think the erratic notification may be either a UA-cam issue or a Microsoft issue I have had three Microsoft "upgrades☹" to Win 7 during the past month and have been experiencing other issues as well, particularly Erratic Wireless Mouse Syndrome™! I mentioned it so that you could inquire on chats if others have had issues. Since your message came through, perhaps the re-sub & re-ring protocol worked!
Best wishes and do keep up the good work.
Wonderful presentation, thank you.
Thank you! Loved it!
Without the time to study these things (yet) you have been so informative!
They seem to have a bit of similarity with Hanzi in Sinitic languages while their adaptation to more phonetic forms similar to Kanji and Hiragana employed by Nihingo
A small error in your reading of the text at 14:13
You said "understanding" instead of the word "writing" in the second to the last sentence. I realize this is rather trivial, but thought I would point it out and let you decide.
Love your stuff... =)
The “skeptical” scholar mentioned at around 13:18 must have been a moron, or not English. How could he find difficult to believe that the same sign had different pronunciation when that happens all the time in English?
Put, cut, cute, bury, colour, (and perhaps there’s more) same sign “u” and completely different pronunciations. That definitely causes a lot of confusion...
Not to mention that Japanese Kanji [漢字] can have at least 5 different pronunciations, depending on context. Modern Korean sometimes uses a different sound for the same character, but rarely: 金 Kim [family name], kum [gold]. It's a bit more complicated than that, but it is obvious that the Eurocentric thinking was at fault.
Could be perhaps he had knowledge of for example ancient Hebrew wherein such is a rarity. After all, one needs to consider the place and time where this research was conducted, in a region wherein phonology is rather 1:1 scripture, and also during a period of time of lack of knowledge of historical context.
And remember: Weebles wobble but they don't fall down. Put that on a tee shirt in cuneiform.
roflmao
Lol I think I would buy that shirt!!
There is a pseudo-cuneiform font that just disguises what is typed in. If you want to mess around with it and make T-shirts to drive real cuneiform readers go crazy it's available on some Free Font sites. [It doesn't paste in here as cuneiform.]
I actually recognised several of those glyphs - I have them all on flash-cards.
it is amazing the time they must have spent to even be able to accomplish what they did. the future looks bright for what we can learn from the ancient Mesopotamians.
Makes me so interested in the field. Why the hurry though? Please speak slower.
You don't know how long I was looking for a video with this info, I had a long journey in different books about the cuneiform discovery history, thanks a lot!
Note: Iirc there was an hebrew who discovered cuneiform inscriptions after the spanish one, around 1100. But I can't find it rn :(
And so all those little arrows really mean something?
The decipherment of another syllabic script, the Minoan Linear A, used different techniques. Its decipherment is described here: ua-cam.com/video/PiLyN9T2stY/v-deo.html
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imagine in the next 5000 year from now on future human would be like "how the f you read alphabet?"
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Far from certain. Grotefend made assumptions that are unproven in the first place.
You must be an Iranian speaker imo to fully understand these inscriptions.