War and Civilization: Crash Course World History 205
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2014
- In which John Green investigates war, and what exactly it may or may not be good for. Was war a result of human beings organizing into larger and more complex agricultural social orders, or did war maybe create agriculture and "civilization?" It's hard to know for sure, but it's sure fun to think about.
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I am amazed by everyone who uses media with free access like UA-cam to let me learn while being entertaining. This is one of the biggest advantages in our generation imo. Great work CrashCourse, and thanks! :D
The Putin joke aged well. =)
the Putin skit sure carries a different meaning 8 years after this was made...
WOW! The picture at 0.36, shows my old commanding officer, Col. Donald Schroeder (far right), then C.O. of the 2nd Battalion, 39th Infantry, 9th Infantry Division. He was KIA in VIetnam in February, 69.
John MacDonald Rest In Peace
0:36
Thank you for serving this wonderful country sir!🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s awesome!
That moment when you recognize a historical figure because you watched Extra History. Feels nice, feels nice.
These World History II videos are great because they ask the questions we never talk about in school. Instead of who won what battle and how and all the informative but not really educational stuff, this makes people think about the big issues. I feel like most history we learn in school is somewhat trivial. Also, I love that these videos don't really have a conclusion. It gives you ideas, then lets you ponder them, which is always the best way to teach. Modern education could learn a thing or two from these.
Thanks and DFTBA
>not that kind of booty
er no military leaders actually did give promises of that kind of booty quite often
They promised both kinds of booty.
booty booty booty rocking every way
Swiggity Swoogity I'm Coming for THat Boooty
You need the booty to get the bootie
the etymology of the word "hooker".
I was forced to watch your videos in my history class and it took me a really long to realize that you are THE John Green who wrote The Fault in Our Stars!! I just want to say congratulations to all the success on the book and thankyou for being an amazing writer!!!
"Athens was like the purest democracy of all time"
Well... as long as you were an adult male whose parents were both Athenians.
Malos Kain Well, judging purely by the number of people involved in creating political decisions, it sadly was the purest democracy of all time. That says guite a lot about our "democracy."
Ján Ďuriník The number of people isn't even comparable. 5000+ Athenian men participating in democracy (the boule) vs. millions of people in western countries like the US, UK, Canada, etc. not to mention close to a billion participating in India.
But there are only few dozens of people who actually make decisions and in most countries, there is no way to change their will. Som what democracy are you talking about?
+Ján Ďuriník Same with Ancient Athens. A small handful of people would speak to the crowd and they would convince the crowd to vote for what they wanted them to vote for.
What's different about that other than it's on a larger scale nowadays?
+Malos Kain
I guess the rate of people involved in it? I have no clue about the number in Athens but less than 550 representatives in the two chambers of the USA for 300millions of citizens.. you know, I don't think Athens even ever passed tens thousands. Technically, it's "the purest democracy" in this sense.. clearly it did not involve women or slaves, so from that point of view is a much "worse" democracy..
In which John Green investigates war, and what exactly it may or may not be good for. Was war a result of human beings organizing into larger and more complex agricultural social orders, or did war maybe create agriculture and "civilization?" It's hard to know for sure, but it's sure fun to think about.
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Do you mean religion? All the religions with omnipresent beings seem to believe their gods have been around.. You know, forever.
These are great videos, but Green clearly doesn't understand Anarchism and the unnecessary existence of government.
Liberty can not exist with a government, because the sole purpose of a government and state is to limit liberty as much as possible.
As Tiberius was want to say " It is the duty of a good shepherd to shear his sheep, not to skin them." The often trotted out trope of all states being evil falls as most absolutes will.
John Green... I don't appreciate your mocking of Vladimir Putin. Please stop or I'll be forced to place sanctions upon your UA-cam channel(s)
I really like this style of history. Instead of going chronologically, you discuss a topic through examples from history.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."
- Gen. Robert H. Barrow
"It is well war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee
yea well, but if a nation provokes extreme nationalism making citizen think that they state is fighting to protect justice they might just buy it. i am definitely not talking about any particular nation.
This is why I love history and this show. Introducing new thoughts and ideas to me makes everything worth it
That putin comment caught me off guard haha
The reason why major power don't fight wars is because of the threat of nuclear war. Warfare nowadays is fought through proxies, this is know as 4th Generation Warfare.
While true, I think people are too quick to assume that a conflict between the US/NATO vs Russia or China will automatically go nuclear. I think we all recognize that as a bad idea. The problem with nuclear weapons is rogue states and potential terrorism. I doubt nuclear weapons will be EXCHANGED (not just fired but exchanged) in any likely potential conflict between the previously mentioned powers.
Not just that but the effectiveness of our current conventional arms and just how expensive it all is. Think about the recent wars in Iraq. Desert Storm saw us (the United States) fighting Saddam's Iraq which, at the time, was the 5th largest army in the world. Now, the size of the army isn't everything (and training played a huge part) and the US has a disproportionate advantage even over the guy at number 5 but it took us a week or so to demolish the Iraqi army. And without armor and air power it is simply suicide to cluster any number of infantry together.
The introduction of hyper accurate weapons and the effectiveness of modern air power coupled with the cost of those weapons and equipment means that modern major powers in direct conflict would simply break their bank. To put it in perspective during WWII the United States built nearly 50,000 M4 Sherman tanks at a cost of about $33,500 each (which amounts to about $440,000 adjusting for inflation). A modern M1A2 Abrams tank costs the US about $4.4 million. So, not even factoring in the logistics costs of getting your army where they need to be, fuel (and getting that fuel there), and all of the behind the scenes operations just to get into a position to fight. The effectiveness of modern weapon systems and technology would lend itself to a few days of fighting and not enough money to be able to replace the equipment lost. In reality within the first few hours the winner of the air war would probably be pretty clear and that power ultimately ends up winning the actual war.
(I should caveat this with assuming we mean war in the traditional terms of the conflict and not the urban counter-insurgent warfare that we predominately see today)
I agree that nuclear weapons, and there delivery systems, play a big roll in dissuading first world powers from direct conflict. But I do think what Green says still carries a lot of weight. Proxy wars could be a lot more prevalent than they are, and they're not, in part because it's better for everyone for the world to hum along smoothly.
OH MY GOD, I WANT YOUR AUTOGRAPH
In the event of a war between nuclear powers, there are two possible outcomes: 1) nuclear weapons are used, and devastation results, or 2) war between nuclear powers remains entirely conventional, and therefore nuclear weapons are not as effective as a deterrent against war as we thought.
THESE ARE BOTH BAD OUTCOMES.
Crash Course Military History anyone?
I'm open to the suggestion
Perhaps. Military history from a tactical point of view is rather interesting.
Howver, there is an entire library of content on that matter already, available in non-partisan, neutral documentaries.
Wanna watch some WW2 docos? Cold war IN DETAIL? I have a particular favorite channel for that, search youtube "vasile iuga battlefield" - this vasile guy uploaded and organized into playlists some very old documentaries from a time when the US produced actual documentaries
There is no such thing as neutrality in history. Bias appears in any narrative humans create.
well. HE JUST SAID NO MORE WAR!!!!!!
Here's an Idea: make CrashCourse Military Strategies -- a historical look at battles, the strategies used, and their overall effectiveness because apparently there's a huge demand for that.
There's already a lot on that elsewhere. Someone recently recommended to me "The Art of War." I would like to see Crash Course Military Strategies but I would rather have episodes such as this that has the effect of war on civilization.
Probably the hairiest episode I've seen, but quite rewarding, specifically the insight at the end about the historical importance of trade and commerce vs. that of war. Really gives you a new way of thinking about the world. Love this channel. Keep up the good work!
There's a great quote by Orson Welles in the 1949 movie "The Third Man": "in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.". It would also seem that general animosity, and it's close cousin war, tend to produce some pretty interesting stuff.
Awesome job with Deadpool Thought Cafe!! This episode is very, very important.
I want that 'Deadpool on the Iron Throne' icon on a shirt. A lot.
To feel the thrill of adrenaline, to know that you are greater than the foe you have just defeated, this is an addictive feeling. It is described as bloodlust, and it is one of our most primal instincts.
I love you guys at crash course! I have to write my final paper for ethics on war and terrorism and love how I can find such a great tutor online!! (about pretty much anything) Thank you Crash Course!!
Love your videos, they're so much more entertaining than the topics we talk about! Keep up the good work!
Well this episode solidified my belief into always building a powerful Merchant Republic in Europa Universalis IV because it's better and more prosperous.
Yeah but as a Merchant Republic you don't have lots of manpower, so you have to hire lots of mercenaries ... Which is quite bad :p
Oh no! Six events in a month that tank republic tradition :(
No problem ! Let's turn into a glorious Dictatorship :D
Only if other nations trade with you. Some times you need to start a war to open trade.
Or you start a war to take some very valuables provinces, such as Constantinople :p
I like how you connect multiple points of history to more modern ideas and events. It helps us connect to the true meaning.
Y'know, I've noticed a whole lot of people that hate on america for having an "Empire". As far as I'm concerned, there is some truth to that statement. Although, as we can study from history, Empires rise and fall as time goes on. Rome fell. Egypt, too. And Mongolian. And Britain. And to a lesser extant, Germany. The evidence of fallen governments are all around us. So Britain, Germany, whoever, you had your time. So shut yer yap.
This is an excellant crash course and deserves more exposure. The presentation is energetic and witty.-both thumbs up!
Is this John from the past or is he feeling better?
I'd imagine it's John from the past.
from the past
This is John from the Past. There may be a short break in Crash Course World History, as John is recovering. -stan
CrashCourse Get Well Soon!!
CrashCourse
Thanks for you guys' work in making this content. I'm sure it's been pretty hectic with John sick.
I love these... World History & the American History line.. Bring back the mystery document & shock pen! :D
It's interesting how you talk about modern countries avoiding wars bc it's beneficial for trade. This seems exceptionally true when you think about our recent military targets and how we have basically no trade incentives to keep us civil
Can we talk about the battles someday? I like the behind the scenes and the broader facts of war but there are some brilliant tactical moves throughout history that are quite amazing.
"Hey USA did you know there is oil in the arctic?"
*USA sweats nervously*
Although the ultimate cause of Europe's domination of World History lies in geography, not trade. (Although they are related) You guys REALLY need to do an episode on Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel. I know this sounds like an overstatement, but as someone who loves history, I think that book is one of the most important looks at history ever.
Thank you, these courses are really changing the way I see the world!!
This is probably my new favorite crash course episode
Isn't United States an empire, even if it not by name? It hasn't conquered for the last century. United States conquered, or as they say it in the history books "settled", the Great Plains and all the land to California.
Technically, yes the U.S is an empire with our holdings in Guam and Puerto Rico and other places. CGP Grey did a video on this.
Oh yah! I forgot about that video. And thanks Internet for agreeing with me rather than starting a huge argument.
***** I totally agree with you there.
No emperor = No empire. Come up with another word you lazy fucks. France was a REPUBLIC until it assigned an EMPEROR in which it became the French EMPIRE.
***** You're right, but that seems to be the only difference. From Wikipedia, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples united and ruled by a central authority either by a monarch or an oligarchy.
But in Game of Thrones, fighters are also passified by non-loot booty
Not the unsullied though
Great series-
thank you, John!
John Green, you are awesome! Just got my "Mongols were the exception" T-shirt!
Great job!
War... War never changes.
true.
Planes, tanks, bombs, nukes, guns, swords, the bow and arrow, boats, organized armies, siege machines, walls and forts, and targeted missiles, my friend, war does change
Id like to present the only person that doesn't get it.
+Ze Core Gamer It's a quote used in Fallout games. I'm too lazy to see if the quote originated from the games or from somewhere else. It is also meant in an abstract way.
+Gavin Foster (Yazneg) lmfao
The first word history series was very good. This second series is outstanding. Well done, everyone.
Excellent Video, John. Thanks.
Wait. Was that a cartoon picture of Deadpool when John was talking about mercenaries???
Yes
Yes. Yes it was.
Also Kratos from GoW is in the thumbnail, but I'm sure you saw that.
Deadpool on the Iron Throne as a matter of fact.
No make up is much more sexy for a woman. Thats why I like having my wife wear make up in public.
Kraos illustration, God of War reference. Brilliant! LOLing
I'm easily amused.
In all honesty & straight from the heart, life is a love story & absolutely nothing else, everything else is your making & acceptance.
The high number of Game of thrones references make me think John just binge watched a season or two.
8:36 Wealth is power...
"Power is power." -Cersei Lannister
In this video, John attempts to answer the age old question: "WAR! Huh! What is it good for?"
+John Green & the team, thanks for the videos they are a joy and very pleasantly entertaining.
Great video. This finally pushed me to pay for Crash Course on Subbable. Thanks.
John Green: *Jokes about Putin starting wars. *
Me, watching from 2022: Errhm... yeah... about that...
"Putin is behind me, isn't he?" Hahahahaha
Hi, first of all, thanks for all the awesome work you make at CrashCourse ! Looking at your videos is a cool way to get smarter when washing dishes. Anyway, I had a request : I noticed that some of your videos lack sources. I know that it's difficult to add them in the video, but it would really be great if we could have some in the description section so we can get further. In fact, at the beginning of this video, you mention archaeologists stating that war may be at the origin of agriculture. I found this theory really interesting, but I had a hard time finding any article on the topic. Thanks for your answer (I hope) and I'm looking forward for some new videos.
Fantastic episode!
Don't mention Game of Thrones. It hurts. Sincerely, someone from 2020.
I didn't know I was interested in esoteric knowledge
I'm Rick Harrison and THIS is my Pawn Shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and if there's one thing that I've learned after twenty-three years - you never know WHAT is coming through that door.
I love the Welcome to Night Vale Shirt he has on as from the past John Green
I appreciated the inclusion of Kratos in this video (:
8:36 Wealth is power...
"Power is power." -Cersei Lannister
I just looked up the meaning of esoteric, and I have to say, well played Mr Green, well played.
Great show loved them all from EP 1 world history
Wonder if John Green will do Crash Courses when he's 60 and have a 38 y.o. "me from the past".
Whoaaa i just realized... john GREEN... hank GREEN.... you guys are brothers!
Yeah, they have a channel called "VlogBrothers", too.
I just love you CrashCourse!!!!! Thanks!!!!
I love this series so much!
I feel the U.S., with it's many ethnicities (asian, latin, native american, etc etc) and states in one country (like kingdoms / provinces in an empire), combined with it's large involvement in world affairs makes it just as good an example if not better as Russia does of a modern empire. I mean the term "superpower" kind of almost seems like a nicer word for it. The states act like an empire does, constantly expanding spheres of influence and spending huge amounts on military.
"...O, it is excellent
To have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous
To use it like a giant."
what does racial diversity have to do with it, rome went to other countries and took power that why they were diverse, while the US is diverse because of people who wanted to go there
Louis Roberts thats 2 races, out of every race on earth that's in the US. Africans still move to the US to this day. you're talking about "modern empires" lets keep it on that topic....
The states are an empire
Shaka: The guy who always kills me on Deity difficulty on Civ 5 :(
i like how Kemet was presented; very chilled. the nicest and most pleasant place to live in the ancient world, other than Indus valley civilisation
First off: I love this series; I'm very happy that we now have a second (or third) season of history.
Second: I think this high level overview approach is great and much needed in a topic where people (especially on the internet) get sucked into minutia and less relevant detail. I have always appreciated the bigger picture approach to history.
Now then, I would like to request that at some point, if you have the time/funding/interest, that you make a more detailed and through examination of specific events in history and their larger impact on the world. To stick with the theme for this video an example might be the two major turning points of World War II: The Battle of Stalingrad and the Battle of Midway. Just a thought.
Best wishes yourself!
War.War Never Changes
Isn't Shaka the guy who beat Julius Caesar in a rap battle?
+Dhart M Ahmed No he lost.
4:23 ghost parthenon guiding the non-hands of the god of war as he constructed a model of the pantheon.. brilliant commentary with that image.
Deadpool on the Iron Throne? I love you Crash Course!
0:18 WELCOME TO NIGHT VALE! ALL HAIL!
all hail
Why are wars less common among major powers ..two words ... nuclear weapons
These videos are great!!!
YOU'RE BACK?! This is like the best day of my life!
I'm surprised John didn't bring up Nuclear Detterence as the reason wars are no longer being fought between large powers. If WWII showed us anything, it's that we are more prepared for war then ever before, but later conflicts like the Cold War point towards the effectiveness of Mutually Assured Destruction at preventing actual war with another nuclear armed state. With Globalization the implications of nuclear war have only grown more self destructive and trade easily seems like the better option.
OMG OMG OMG OMG He actually brought up the Zulu's of South Africa. For the longest time I thought the west was so ignorant of our history before European subjugation that I thought it was almost forgotten or thrown away as insignificant in world history. John has just earned a loyal subbable subscriber. :D
awesome as always!! School courses should be like this
Just wanted to drop by and tell you I freaking love your videos.
"Athens was the purest democracy of all times" said he, scratching his citizen balls
Why would you give a number that makes US military spending sound reasonable?
The US accounts for around 20% of global GDP and around 40% of all military spending. China accounts for around 15% of global GDP and about 10% of all military spending. Russia spends just over half of what China does.
The US economic size according to CIA world fact book is 25% roughly of the world economy for a total of 17.295 Trillion USD. The United States spends approximately 3.5-4% varying from year to year on its Military this is far lower to historical standards which used to be far higher. Also one this you have to reason is that the US military spending so much higher compared to everyone else because of one fact. SEA POWER the US controls the world's ocean and trade lanes for most part now right now the US is protecting for freedom of seas and all of that kind of stuff. But there's also simple logical Americans view the seas in mainly two ways one defense to foreign attack and trade. The US took control of the seas during the early 20th century dominating it on a scale not yet seen and as a result they also secured the trade routes and more trade routes leading to a massive economic boom. So now the USA spends that much militarily and maintains this capability because they now depend upon it if the US didnt control the seas it loses alot and powerful modern navy's are very expensive but it can afford it relatively compared to other nations due to its economic size.
Alex Baker I don't doubt that some notable portion of our military spending is put to good and productive use, but 800 billion is absolutely absurd. The entire navy is around 150, so even saying that there isn't a dollar wasted there doesn't get you anywhere legitimating the whole DoD.
The fact that we can afford it doesn't make it money well spent. On top of that, our political system is so dysfunctional that the only way to push for reasonable restructuring and consolidation is to get people screaming that the whole thing should be shut down.
Our military spending compared to our GDP is only about ten to fifteen percent at most. That is about average for any first world nation.
kingofprussia17 It's around 4% of our gdp, which is also well above the percentage of about any other developed nation aside from Russia. China and the UK are both a little over 2% of GDP and the EU taken as a whole spends around 1.5%. The US should be well lower than the international average of defense spending as a percentage of GDP because (unless you count the entire EU as a single nation) it has the largest GDP by a huge margin. Cut the budget in half without even cutting personnel costs and we're still outspending everybody else.
Abraxian Absolution ", but 800 billion is absolutely absurd."
That almost double the current military budget.
Hell even 2 years ago it was still 600 billion, and it's even lower today, somewhere in the 500 billions(though we must wait a few years before exact figures are released).
War is on the whole bad...
I also love the white T - Shirt worn by johns "me from the past" 😆
Love the video!! Great upload John!
CrashCourse hope John is feeling better from his meningitis btw!!
I'm looking at you, John.
All governments rule by force.
Not really.
diego alveal One example please of a country that doesn't and how, please.
my guess is that you never have been in a dictatorship.
the usa government doesn't rule by force.
diego alveal The goverment uses the police for their force.
Love that shirt past John Green is wearing~.
All hail the Glow Cloud.
I just found this channel, and it´s great
Can we have more videos on Asian history? Especially China and Japan.
SPOILERS: Deadpool wins the Iron Throne.
+hippoheppo
OH MY GOD.
SPOILERS: Some people might have preferred that ending! Lol
John Green You are the best!!!! Very knowledgeable and can quote many philosophers or historic events which really prove your point, (unlike some haters)
this is AWSOME!!!!!
"Putin! Stop building an empire!"
One book: A People's History of the United States
kenneth mcgriff propaganda is when the giv disseminates
you got that
Propaganda isn't exclusively when states push a narrative. Like terrorism, whether states do it or non-state actors do it the definition is the same.
A People's History is not wrong and bad because it's propaganda. It's a perspective with a strong factual basis. The worst that can be said about it is that it is one of many perspectives each with a strong factual basis, and it should not be treated as the only true story that can be told about those facts.
If one claims to be objective about war then the fact that wars are responsible for much of the technological advanse, cannot be skipped. If it wasnt for WW2 for example, the world would have been far from what it is now. Forget about going to outer space, communications and waht not...war is still bad though, M'kay?
+Dovahkiin Dragonshout This is a very good point that was missed, well done pointing that out.
+Dovahkiin Dragonshout It happens, sure. But what about the things that happen without war?
TV first existed in the 20s. Not much war happening there. There are other examples, but I can't recall....
"The origins of all advertisement, all mass communications have their foundations in war" - Chris Hedges
War also had a positive effect on women's rights. WWI and WWII removed vast amounts of working men from their home countries, which created a Labor vacuum. In many places, women stepped in to fill this vacuum, which increased many women's sense of competence and independence and built up the backing for the feminist movement.
Love this series :)
I wish there was a reading list or any kinds of sources mentioned. Also, John Stuart Mill is fantastic.
Kratos in the thumbnail!