This is definitely a hard NO for me. I have 3 pre-2020 R Nine T's and wouldn't consider a newer version. It's clear the designers of the original R Nine T are long gone from BMW. The obsession with all the technology (adding cost, weight, complexity) is over the top.
Really happy BMW is continuing to invest in this model, and I like the new tech (gas gauge?). I think the challenge for BMW is going to be that my 2016 R9T Classic with the all aluminum tank is still a beautiful bike, and I was able to buy an immaculate, low mileage version for half the cost of a new one. I can take the extra money and splash it on the suspension and custom bits. Nice video, keep up the good work.
Good video Rory, agreed Mickey Mouse mirrors have to go, bar end mirrors a must have... Nice green paint scheme... Work the PCC makeover... make it a cool cafe racer !
It's great that the oil/air cooled boxer engine lives on! Look forward to seeing what PCC magic is done on this new model. Ps...hope you guys are going to have another open day sometime! Cheers Steve 💚
Nice bike and they had to make a later variation. I’ll be keeping my scrambler and booking it in for the wilbers spring and gel seat though, the original nine t does modern classic better in my opinion
Hi Steve! Glad you enjoyed the preview! We think both tanks look great in the flesh to be honest. The power is an interesting one... we definitely get why BMW have gone for a slightly lower HP on the R12... accessibility is the name of the game! Which of the 2 bikes do you think you prefer?!
I think it looks fantastic. I never liked the previous version with all that plastic plumbing. Good work, still not in the showroom, I checked, nobody seems to know when.
The indicators on both bikes are mounted high on the fork tubes the same configuration as the Urban GS has. The saddle is nice, but we need to get on on the road. Look out for our follow up vid when we get our hands on one.
Useful vid, thanks. After seeing it I’ve ordered one of the last ‘23 classics. The original was clearly a passion project - the Akra exhaust, the alloy triangle under the seat, the snorkel. Felt special, iconic. The R12 models feel like the accountants have had a greater say. Generic, plastic UJM vibe that’s been designed with cost cutting and modularity in mind. Smaller brakes, more weight (if on the same rims) and less torque that’s 1500rpm up the rev range. Pretty disappointing. I’m sure PCC will make some interesting customs with them, tho.
Bmw have gone the other way appealing to an older rider, it's more polished & definitely more Seventies, i think they should've gone the other way with a lighter leaner bike. Triumph are dropping the Thruxton in 2024 so maybe BMW know something..
We can help you with that. The research and testing we have done on our Race bike resulted in the products you see on this page. piercitycustom.com/collections/pcc-workshop-tuning-remapping-service We a video coming out on that soon!
There might be some current version Scramblers for sale still, so it'll be well worth seeing if you can grab one off of a dealership as soon as possible.
wow; it sure is ugly compared to the old model. Wat was BMW thinking? Headers are sharp; and ugly. The catalytic converter is huge. The valve covers are a step down that looks like they came from intertoys. The iconic snorkel is gone that made the R nine T unique. The seat cowl is a huge ugly thing. They removed the Akrapovic stock exhaust. The tank is smaller. I'll happily stick to my 2018 urban gs; every day over this.
The tank shape is an improvement, the rninet was always a bit front heavy. I’m going to wait for the replacement for the Urban GS, that could be the bike to tempt me.
Unfortunately the new R12 NineT is looking like a step backwards in most ways. Aesthetically it's not nice but that's subjective, however it also has smaller brake rotors, even more rake on the fork (so heavier slower steering), less power and more weight than the outgoing model. It's a hard pass from me.
You can't simply make up facts, mate. Looks are indeed subjective - I, for instance, think it looks a lot better now. It has smaller brake rotors because it doesn't need them as big as before - it's on an overall better braking setup (better pads and better rotors). The slightly increased rake and wheelbase will give it more stability while leaned, which is what most R Nine T owners were asking for (BMW asked some of us owners what changes we'd like to see). The power - 109hp - is exactly the same as on the previous generation, and the weight - 220kg curb - is actually 1kg lower.
How am I making up facts? The new bike has 1hp less power, 1lb-ft less torque (and at 500 higher rpm). The new bike has a smaller tank so add 1.2kg to the wet weight - the weight also seems to be reported with cast wheels not spoked so the bike sans wheels seems to be even heavier. As for the brakes, aside from monobloc calipers, I still think 320mm rotors are going to offer greater repeated stopping power than 310mm - never heard someone say that smaller rotors are a braking upgrade. The rake was already very slack on the 9T and the bike too stable - slowing it even further with 1.8deg more rake is just silly. I have raised the rear on mine 45mm, effectively reducing the rake by approx 1 deg and also reducing trail significantly and it feels much better and still super stable. The 2024 seems to be a backwards step in performance terms - but if you just want to pootle around slowly then you may like it.
@@domd2304 Maybe in America - here in Europe your figures are wrong and what I said is right. If you want a steep steering geometry I suggest an M1000RR - anything less than that and your otherwordly riding skills are being wasted.
BMW need to get back to their best bikes ever. The late 70's R100R, R100RS, R100RT, for the budget end of market the R75, R65, R45, for beginners end of market R27 single+shaft.
Looks a bit plastic-y and bland to me. I like the look of my old R9T scrambler...it seems a bit more primitive. BMW still seem unable to understand how useful proper mudguards would be!
This model is going to need PCC magic to make it sparkle, can’t wait for bike shed show. Good luck guys
pcc level 2 is beter because you can build the zipline across the mountain
This new model definitely needs help in the looks dept. Goodluck PCC
This is definitely a hard NO for me. I have 3 pre-2020 R Nine T's and wouldn't consider a newer version. It's clear the designers of the original R Nine T are long gone from BMW. The obsession with all the technology (adding cost, weight, complexity) is over the top.
Really happy BMW is continuing to invest in this model, and I like the new tech (gas gauge?). I think the challenge for BMW is going to be that my 2016 R9T Classic with the all aluminum tank is still a beautiful bike, and I was able to buy an immaculate, low mileage version for half the cost of a new one. I can take the extra money and splash it on the suspension and custom bits. Nice video, keep up the good work.
So are we!
Sadly, only still a reserve light.
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@@PierCityCustomWhat about the optional TFT, does that have a fuel gauge?
Absolutely my tastes matching headlight cowl with, love the color
Good video Rory, agreed Mickey Mouse mirrors have to go, bar end mirrors a must have... Nice green paint scheme... Work the PCC makeover... make it a cool cafe racer !
It's great that the oil/air cooled boxer engine lives on! Look forward to seeing what PCC magic is done on this new model. Ps...hope you guys are going to have another open day sometime! Cheers Steve 💚
Thank you Steve! Yep, I think we shall be aiming for a season start open day again! Make sue you are on the email newsletter subscription!
RIP snorkel, said no one ever.
Nice bike and they had to make a later variation. I’ll be keeping my scrambler and booking it in for the wilbers spring and gel seat though, the original nine t does modern classic better in my opinion
We would recommend Ohlins this time around.
We look forward to giving yours a tweek!
Most obvious that am booking my R12 NINE T also MINI COOPER S for daily rides ❤❤❤❤
Quite budget friendly too 😅
I hope that BMW Motorrad have provided you with a prototype, or at least a frame/subframe for you to do some development work with.
That would have been really really lovely, however, not the case. We have to join the queue, the same as anyone else.
I hate all the exposed wiring with the new tank up front. Overall like the rest. But man I would be having a custom tank built to go further forward.
I like it, don't know about the toaster tank comparison. Wish it had 109 hp like the 9t but 95 plenty healthy. Thanks for the preview
Hi Steve! Glad you enjoyed the preview! We think both tanks look great in the flesh to be honest. The power is an interesting one... we definitely get why BMW have gone for a slightly lower HP on the R12... accessibility is the name of the game! Which of the 2 bikes do you think you prefer?!
@@PierCityCustom R12 if I had the cash 😊
haha yeah I know that feeling!
@@steveparish9210
I think it looks fantastic. I never liked the previous version with all that plastic plumbing. Good work, still not in the showroom, I checked, nobody seems to know when.
Apparently the R12 has started landing globally this week - we've had a few clients in Australia get their hands on them already.
This is a model that won’t see my garage, but with the right amount of love and money throw into it, it can look awesome.
18k and the bike feel a bit plastic.. madness .. 😂
Where are the indicators? Never understood the need for rider modes…. How’s the saddle?????😂
The indicators on both bikes are mounted high on the fork tubes the same configuration as the Urban GS has.
The saddle is nice, but we need to get on on the road. Look out for our follow up vid when we get our hands on one.
Useful vid, thanks. After seeing it I’ve ordered one of the last ‘23 classics. The original was clearly a passion project - the Akra exhaust, the alloy triangle under the seat, the snorkel. Felt special, iconic. The R12 models feel like the accountants have had a greater say. Generic, plastic UJM vibe that’s been designed with cost cutting and modularity in mind. Smaller brakes, more weight (if on the same rims) and less torque that’s 1500rpm up the rev range. Pretty disappointing. I’m sure PCC will make some interesting customs with them, tho.
Keep your eyes peeled, we have one hitting the ramp soon!
Bmw have gone the other way appealing to an older rider, it's more polished & definitely more Seventies, i think they should've gone the other way with a lighter leaner bike. Triumph are dropping the Thruxton in 2024 so maybe BMW know something..
The R12 Nine T looks bland compared to it predecessor, the loss of the air intake in particular is just unfortunate
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Could you make a video of the new Nine T Pro-Race SR 2 exhaust? Thank you.
You need to go direct to Pro Race for this product.
@@PierCityCustom I see, for some reason I thought PCC had affiliation with Pro-Race
@@G1lgamesj No, this is not the case. If you want a SR 2 exhaust you'll need to go to Pro Race directly.
its slowly growing on me not that i be changing,any price on them yet.
£14400 for the Roadster, £12k for the R12
www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/models/heritage/r12.html
Oodles much
Do you think that the shift assist pro will work on my 21 roadster?
We can help you with that. The research and testing we have done on our Race bike resulted in the products you see on this page.
piercitycustom.com/collections/pcc-workshop-tuning-remapping-service
We a video coming out on that soon!
I don't understand. Is the scrambler out of production? I was saving up for an R nineT scrambler.
There might be some current version Scramblers for sale still, so it'll be well worth seeing if you can grab one off of a dealership as soon as possible.
Does this one have adaptive cruise control, and a fuel gauge?
Adaptive cruise is a yes, fuel gauge is still a no, reserve light only.
Where’s the air intake located ?
We are yet to discover that, we'll find out more in our second video when we get to undress it.
wow; it sure is ugly compared to the old model. Wat was BMW thinking? Headers are sharp; and ugly. The catalytic converter is huge. The valve covers are a step down that looks like they came from intertoys. The iconic snorkel is gone that made the R nine T unique. The seat cowl is a huge ugly thing. They removed the Akrapovic stock exhaust. The tank is smaller.
I'll happily stick to my 2018 urban gs; every day over this.
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I agree with HuskyRides, I much prefer the look of my 2015 R9T, it’s perfect as is!
Agree my 2016 tank makes reach too far for me
"I'm all about technology" Not me.
The tank shape is an improvement, the rninet was always a bit front heavy. I’m going to wait for the replacement for the Urban GS, that could be the bike to tempt me.
It will be very interesting to see where BMW goes next with the R12 range. I feel an R12 Scrambler is the next obvious stop, but we'll see.
Agreed about a scrambler model, I suspect it will be the bike to finally make me part with my Triumph Scrambler XE. The Urban GS almost did it.
Fingers crossed!
The RnineT gas tank looks better than this R12nineT
Unfortunately the new R12 NineT is looking like a step backwards in most ways. Aesthetically it's not nice but that's subjective, however it also has smaller brake rotors, even more rake on the fork (so heavier slower steering), less power and more weight than the outgoing model. It's a hard pass from me.
You can't simply make up facts, mate.
Looks are indeed subjective - I, for instance, think it looks a lot better now. It has smaller brake rotors because it doesn't need them as big as before - it's on an overall better braking setup (better pads and better rotors). The slightly increased rake and wheelbase will give it more stability while leaned, which is what most R Nine T owners were asking for (BMW asked some of us owners what changes we'd like to see). The power - 109hp - is exactly the same as on the previous generation, and the weight - 220kg curb - is actually 1kg lower.
How am I making up facts? The new bike has 1hp less power, 1lb-ft less torque (and at 500 higher rpm). The new bike has a smaller tank so add 1.2kg to the wet weight - the weight also seems to be reported with cast wheels not spoked so the bike sans wheels seems to be even heavier. As for the brakes, aside from monobloc calipers, I still think 320mm rotors are going to offer greater repeated stopping power than 310mm - never heard someone say that smaller rotors are a braking upgrade. The rake was already very slack on the 9T and the bike too stable - slowing it even further with 1.8deg more rake is just silly. I have raised the rear on mine 45mm, effectively reducing the rake by approx 1 deg and also reducing trail significantly and it feels much better and still super stable. The 2024 seems to be a backwards step in performance terms - but if you just want to pootle around slowly then you may like it.
@@domd2304 Maybe in America - here in Europe your figures are wrong and what I said is right. If you want a steep steering geometry I suggest an M1000RR - anything less than that and your otherwordly riding skills are being wasted.
@@motozest7856 Good reply, this guy seems to be a bit of a know all that knows f**k all.
BMW need to get back to their best bikes ever. The late 70's
R100R, R100RS, R100RT, for the budget end of market the
R75, R65, R45, for beginners end of market R27 single+shaft.
最後のガソリンエンジンはR12にしようと思っていたが、あまりカッコ良くないな...
R100rsのカフェレーサを最後のオートバイにします
That’s a LOT of money for an air cooled engine and minimal specs
Looks a bit plastic-y and bland to me. I like the look of my old R9T scrambler...it seems a bit more primitive. BMW still seem unable to understand how useful proper mudguards would be!
Bike looks so small
wonder if he has to put vaseline on his legs to get his skinny jeans on 😂😂😂
You prefer bell bottoms pops?
Putoline Boxer4 tends to work the best, less claggy.
Ahhh, Nope!