Simon Jordan Issues Stern WARNING To Manchester City Fans Amidst 115 FFP Charges! 😬👀
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- UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin has expressed his certainty on Man City's FFP guilt. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy discuss.
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Agreed. MCFC have a case to answer, guilty or not and to what extent, and then we can all get on with things…
@@reptileegg Clubs should be run properly and sustainably.
@@jonhayes7322this was never a problem when Utd, Liverpool etc we’re doing it before they got rattled 😂
@@sidbob1215 Liverpool and Man Utd are clubs with real sustainable income, Man City are not.
@@SirAntoniousBlock 😂😂😂 no they’re not! Have a look at both their history’s.
Ohhh noooo Simon Jordan issued a STERN WARNING?!?! OHHH GOODDD WHAT WILL WE DO
Get them relegated. What's good for Everton is good for them ❤
Completely different charges though, also Everton admitted their guilt whereas Man City contend that they did not commit fraud. Everton were not charged with fraud.
@@nigefalcity charges are way worse if proven due to financial fraud etc
Get Everton down they been shite for years
Everton deserve to take man city's penalty points also
@@mymemories925proving business fraud is nearly impossible as Uefa found out
Why doesn't Jordan listen to what Stefan said last week and deal with the facts rather than playing to the clickbait audience?
Sadly, because he's neither a financial expert nor a legal expert, he's a phone salesman.
@luke7834 he's the ultimate BS artist. He preaches daily about how things should be done nut Haa essentially achieved nothing in football
It's called desperation let him be🤣🤣
1. He is thick. 2. Clickbate. 3. I keep falling for it.
We only need one charge and we are fcukd
Biggest signs you know talksport are waffling
Murphy : Taps biro on head
Simon : Goes the same colour as a beetroot
Jim : Licks lips like a salmon out of water
any time jim speaks you know it will be a shite encrusted waffle pile.
This is what pisses people off. Everyone knows that the Everton and forest charges are completely different. BUT………. If masters doesn’t prioritise this and move it along rather than saying nothing, even if it’s not it looks like he’s not doing anything because it’s Man City. That’s on him that people are having a go at him
You can't just prioritise something and rush it through. City is a top priority but due diligence is more important. The reason it's taking so long is because they categorically do not want City to get off with this.
@@upon-fe2720off with what? Prove it. You've seen the proof obviously to draw that conclusion so what have you got?
But it is complicated.
We are just not as smart as the journalists so we can't possibly understand.
... according to The Athletic
@@upon-fe2720Rubbish.
If it is so complicated that they can't act for a decade, then they are incompetent
Stop pretending it is so complicated that we normal humans couldn't possibly understand how complicated it is - so it takes a decade.
@@upon-fe2720 Get off? Clearly you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The Champions are going to thrash the hapless Premier League just like they did to EUFA.
Simon Jordan never mentioned about political influence on man city's case up until about a week ago after Stefan Bronson came to talk sports and taught him a lesson. Now he is trying to somehow convince everyone that if city is innocent then it's because of politics. Hmmmmm
You broke the rules twice under Infantino and got off with measly fines, those are under the jurisdiction of the PL.
@@telephonic the same way Liverpool did and got fined
@@masumpervez9726don’t speak if you don’t know what you are talking about.
@@ozzylyon3180 sorry dad
@@telephonic If the pl use the distorted emails, the ones a judge said no fair justice system would use, then sure. If they use the actual emails that CAS used, then there's no case, as CAS ruled.
Ronaldo's comment about ligue 1 is just a dig at Messi. He's insufferable, he still has the mindset of a 12 year old
Messi don't play in Ligue 1 though. Ligue 1 is generally for young players who are looking to move to a bigger club. Both Saudi/MLS are more likely retirement for players.
@@ppate8 oh yeah because Messi didn't spend two years in Paris did he. I just imagined that part of his career.
That was last year not right now. Cristiano made that comment this month so I dont know what he is talking about. Just a reminder Messi, Di Stefano, Maradona are all better then CR7@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere He is no longer in France. CR7 made this comment only recently. However both Saudi and MLS are retirement leagues
We know city will get off with it but we also know theyve been cheating since 2009 and pep is an unproven manager in english football. I dont count titles won by cheats so the damage is done regardless of who pays who off
You aren't "we" and you don't have any proof of City cheating whatsoever
@@Beyond_Belief534 we all know deep down city have cheated and the success means nothing. They couldnt have not broken fair play. You dont go from £1m turnover to £700m in 10 years so we know the turnover figures are absolute rubbish. That means the real turnover doesnt stand up to the expenses and theyve broken ffp and cheated their way to success.
Keep 😢 dum dum
@@derrickwinter9737 im not emotional about it because i dont count titles won by cheats so you havent won anything for me to be emotional about. It is important though to be measured and call out cheats.
Pep unproven .
Jesus wept.😂😂😂
Everyone in the football world knows that outcome city will not be found guilty of any charges. Money will decide the outcome like everything else in the world.
Which is exactly why this is, was and always will be a smear campaign.
"We knew we were right" says the head of the organisation which used emails obtained illegally, that had been edited in order to portray a misleading picture. They were warned by a portuguese judge who presided over the hacking case that using the emails was wrong. Of course under Swiss law it was ruled they could be used but also that they would then have to be evaluated on their merits, which led to UEFA's case having no standing. And that was because their case was mostly based on the emails and that includes the time barred charges, so they would also have had no standing.
Spot on, but the facts are way over the heads of these wishful thinkers
If man city gets away with it, soccer is dead. The premier League needs to make a stand. Their revenue is bigger than Madrid. Seriously?? That can't be right
With fewer fans than Newcastle Utd lol yeah right. Evidence leaked in 2018 that already proved they're guilty...
Real Madrid are not organic either tbh.
Let the court decide, till then they are innocent.
They ain't innocent and they can't be innocent when its about 115 charges
Bro there's teams in mid table that make almost the same amount of revenue as Madrid from tv revenue it's not a stretch plus we win titles every year with high attendance rates what do you expect
Y'all are just hating
These so called fans will all jump off the bandwagon and back to whatever bigger club they supported in 2007.
C.T.I.D.1977🏴
@@NOTODIVERSITY123 right. I "believe" you
Daft lad
@@jefepeeps4308 I don't believe YOU .
Murphy “… the flag’s in the sand” 😂
FFP is football apartheid. Sometimes it's the rule makers that are cheating, not the rule breakers. I expect the former to disagree.
FFP, has created a monopoly in the game, especially in England and the premier league.
The whole concept of FFP is destroying the integrity of a league that has existed for over 130 years.
FFP needs to be consigned to the history books, leaving a more financially stable division.
How can the influx of investment provided by wealthy owners be a bad thing?
Get rid of FFP, and by doing so, we will have a more competitive division.
@@pleasantville4529you have said it all.
The ffp was initiated by the football cartels(a group of businesses or nations that collide to limit competition within an industry or market).
Nobody wants to be displaced from his source of income.
Club owners know how much they make from football (If owning a football team is not that lucrative, why will sheikh and Chelsea owners invest billions into a business that won't yeild a higher profit). So these club owners don't want some wealthier persons to enter into their business and displace them, so they made the ffp.
@@pleasantville4529The ffp was initiated by the football cartels(a group of businesses or nations that collide to limit competition within an industry or market).
Nobody wants to be displaced from his source of income.
Club owners know how much they make from football (If owning a football team is not that lucrative, why will sheikh and Chelsea owners invest billions into a business that won't yeild a higher profit). So these club owners don't want some wealthier persons to enter into their business and displace them, so they made the ffp.
Everyone down a shot when you hear the word, “ Narrative “ .
Buzzword of the last couple of years
That's what the PGA Tour CEO said about LIV Golf until they had a deal with them.
Time will tell
My word, so many opinions and so few facts.
There are 115 facts.
Man City, the fakest club in the world that only a City fan can love, barely, and that love is mostly based on all the hate they get from the entire footballing world for being fake, which makes City fans angry. But they all know their club is a cheating corrupt club but they can't come out and say it so they pretend to love their club even more.
It's not easy to accept all that love is built of cheating and corruption.
EVERYBODY from Pep and up needs to be jailed. They are all old in the game to say they didn't know. At this point even City fans are guilty for supporting the most cheating corrupt club in footballing world. Deport them?
@@SirAntoniousBlockperhaps you as an expert could enlighten us as to what they are.
@@michaeldoig9881 The Premier League statement released in February went as follows:
In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1, the Premier League confirms that it has referred a number of alleged breaches of the Premier League Rules by Manchester City Football Club (Club) to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4.
1. In respect of each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those seasons that required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue (including sponsorship revenue), its related parties and its operating costs, namely:
(a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80;
(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87;
(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12;
(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12;
(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49;
(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50;
(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51; and
(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51.
2. In respect of:
(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely:
(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7 and Q.8; and
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7 and P.8; and
(b) each of Seasons 2010/11 to 2015/16 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of player remuneration in its relevant contracts with its players, namely:
(1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20;
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20;
(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and
(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20.
3. In respect of each of Seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, namely:
(a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6; and
(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6.
4. In respect of each of the Seasons 2015/16 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons on Profitability and Sustainability, namely:
(a) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules E.52 to E.60; and
(b) for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60.
5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely:
(a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13;
(d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16; and
(e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16.
Commissions are independent of the Premier League and member clubs. The members of the Commission will be appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel, in accordance with Premier League Rules W.19, W.20 and W.26.
The proceedings before the Commission will, in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82, be confidential and heard in private. Under Premier League Rule W.82.2, the Commission’s final award will be published on the Premier League’s website.
This confirmation is made in accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1.
What's the point in charging them, when some high court justice always overturns everything.
To prove MC wrong, PL need very very solid proofs. Let’s see what pennout
No they don't, it's not a criminal case, they are accused of breaking the PL regulations.
@@SirAntoniousBlock they need to provide evidence right?
@@ma466 Evidence of course but the burden of proof is not like a criminal trial, more akin to breaking the membership rules of a club, the balance of probability is enough and of course there is no appeal.
@@SirAntoniousBlock let’s see what happens. Thanks for enlightening me.
@@SirAntoniousBlock I think this case will be like OJ Simpson moment.
Simon chill out!! Manchester City is a big team with a system to resolve this problem.
Do you mean Lawyers, not System.
Big team? You are still a small club.
Best in the land and world
@@NOTODIVERSITY123 Still a small club
They’ll be retro active punishment at most. They may have to forfeit previous titles and a huge fine. No one is relegating Manchester City from the premier league. It’s bad for business and the English economy.
english economy wtf are you on about lol
Are you on drugs city are a small club that have been illegally financially boosted no one will miss city once they’re booted out what must happen though is a forced sale as their owners cannot be allowed to continue
@@lennon1482all those players on 200k a week pay tax. Thats a lot of money
The Premier league was running fine before man city became relevant again!
They will still pay the tax no matter what league they are in, and if anyone thinks a few players or even a football club would have any influence on the British economy, they clearly have no clue on the British GDP. 😂😂😂
If the players leave city, no one will bat an eyelid nationally
All these City haters are hilarious asf 😂
Acting like they've got moral and legal standards 😂
You're just jealous and scared of City.. you hate the fact that the club you hate is winning by supposedly breaking rules
Had it been their clubs in that position, you wouldn't do SQUAT 😂
Heyyy!! We found a city fan hahaha
Manc helmet
C.T.I.D.1977
You talking about Newcastle: “They’ve got unlimited money from their crude oil daddies.” Hypocrite or what? 😂
_'Acting like they've got moral and legal standards'_
We do, because our clubs stay within the rules. 😏
Can’t wait to see his face drop when we get fined for long grass and turning up 20 seconds late after the break 😂
Yeah, won't happen. You'll be getting deducted massively. If not relegated.
@@Yalovetoseeit_ that’s fine deduct city points and we will still get europe
@@bennybeebop8221ya might get in the play offs if Wrexham have an off season
@@bennybeebop8221 it’s not gonna just be a deduction 😂 straight to the bottom of the football pyramid with a transfer ban 😂😂😂
@@Yalovetoseeit_ can't wait until they beat it. You're gonna cry. 🤣
Pep Guardiola says We have to wait.. They're paying every one off as fast as they can.
yes iv read it ,only interpret it differently .Great point.
Simon McHater at it again ...😂😂 ..Cant keep ManCity's success out of his head..Wait for the verdict 😂
What do you think the verdict will be?
@@williamsmith9315guilty and im a city fan? This time round no way are we getting off all these charges? We can twist it how we want.
@@mymemories925 Sure, but guilty of what, and of how many of the charges? Assuming you know exactly what the charges are.
@@williamsmith9315 Without knowing all the evidence, I don't know what the verdict will be...That is why I am waiting like every one else except Mr McHater in the studios. 😆
Wow. Simon went deep on where this heads. I think he’s right, this might get tamped down to avoid an international incident.
Why would you think he`s right? the guys as clueless as everybody else. This closet rags wishful thinking and actual facts are two different entities.
Yea even before that this might lead to the Super League. If citeh gets relegated they are not going to take that lying down. They arent gonna let go of pep and sell everyone off. And they for sure arent going to be playing against Millwall next year.
@@hrs1414 they can go play real madrid and barcelona in a 3 team league and it would be good riddance 👍
@@mojebi3804if City join RM and Barca then you will see other teams slowly join the party, hopefully City don't get charged, but yeah
The combo of those headphones and Murphy’s perfectly spherical, shiney dome is outrageous.
As I see it, and I am sure that the Man City lawyers will to, the PSR rules were flawed from the outset when brought in during 2013. The first role of the independent commision should be, and which they failed to do in Everton’s case, is decide if the system of PSR rules for regulating the actions of PL members was lawful and ensured that breaches can be enforced by the imposition of specified sanctions which it did not. The rules were rushed in without a sanctions policy or inbuilt review stages to consider things like inflation and case law on the impact of fans. I am sure the PL realised this when why they tried to introduce a sanctions policy/formula retrospectively to the Everton Commission Panel that was rejected and PL were admonished for attempting to change the goal posts. It is ironic that whilst they acknowledged the need for a sanctions policy by trying to introduce one midway through a hearing, that Richard Masters said the sanctions policy has always been an Open one for the commission to determine which we feel is fair! If the Commission hearing the Everton appeal had any sense they would dismiss all current cases including Man City’s as the PSR rules are fundamentally flawed. This would also get the PL off the hook and put the farcical situation to bed!
They dont want common sense they prefer the hysteria of this farcial witch hunt mainly because it gives them something to cling on to and deflects from their own clubs inadequacies.
Guilty is guilty Phil. If they’ve done what they’re charged for they should be relegated. If not relegation then a massive fine & stripped of all titles won during their time of cooking the books. Don’t give the titles to anyone else, just an asterisk next to city to hold them always in contempt
Cheats
@@leroy9511 The cheats have been punished utd with eufa and everton with the premier league.
I'm not really sure arguing about the rules in court is worth it. In the court of public opinion that's another matter.
Facts are unless the prem has obtained new evidence then there really is no case to answer. The hacked emails were distorted (probably by the hacker in order to sell them), a German newspaper fell for the scam and ran the story. The original emails paint a pretty boring picture, the kind that takes place in accounting offices up and down the country.
Breaking News!!!! What you believe to be true and what you can prove in a court of law are two different things
Der Spiegel obtained emails from inside city where they openly talked about their rule breaking.
They did cheat.
I’m a Forest fan, it’s been difficult for our club to operate within the constraints of the premier league and will accept what’s coming our way…….. as long as Man City and Chelsea get served up for what they have done and they have done it.
With the Forest case I understand, promoted to the premier league and not strengthening is a massive gamble, to break the rules is also a massive gamble but at least a more likely hood of staying in the league with a points deduction having brought in 9000 players😂 But City are such a seedy and slimy club and they will pull every string to snake there way out of this one
@@michaelo3599 Don’t talk utter drivel.
@@michaelo3599look in the mirror and youwill see who is at fault for your situation. Its not man city. Take accountability. Good luck😮
Of course Manchester City are guilty of many of those 115 charges. Otherwise the groundwork to put forward 115 allegations would have been done really unprofessionally by the Premier League.
And more over, many of those 115 charges are very serious in their nature, much more severe than for example Everton's one minor breach, so the penalty to City should be outright relegation; even if Everton would get all their 10 points back, which would be a justified ultimate decision.
The UEFA knew the handlings of City, CAS was timid to act.
If the Premier League wants to avoid destroying itself completely, its commission should be brave enough to punish City according their breaches, and in relation to sanctions against other clubs.
You can't argue that it's difficult to punish City because they are now so rich and successful and have top lawyers. In democratic countries, like Britain, those factors don't count, only the factual matters. So it's in the court rooms, too.
Simon & Danny = Top LADs Proper Clobbers 💯
When sports-washing backfires. Love it
What will be your next excuse when the PL fails to prove its case?
If you’re buying an experienced player then you are in effect helping to grow the game with the help of your experience….just like a pro going to an amateur club.
Thumbnail is peak.
Why would players come back from Saudi Arabia if the contracts were big? Surely Henderson would have sat on his hands, filled his pockets, and waited until the 2 year tax exemption timeline…
There's no way Stefan would ever said they were wrong. That's not his place to say
But it seems to be every bitter reds place to say it all over the media and internet 😂
Simon likes anything that discredits City like Jim like uafa Simon is always right, right.
What is wrong with discrediting City. They are cheats ?
@ashleyferrar5276 city in 2024 still way less popular than spurs with a substantially smaller UK fanbase? Hence city wont be missed
@@mymemories925Spurs who can’t even sell out their ticket allocation for away matches
@@mymemories925 They wont be gone for too long .. I'm sure some of the real big clubs will be meeting them in the third round of the EFL trophy from time to time
@@ashleyferrar5276They are cheats?
Where's the proof?
Simon Jordon is not a top lawyer for the city group but a tv, radio pundit let the courts decide,honestly.
Exactly a man that claims the Truth didn’t say a word to Carl frampton over MTK and the other day let joe Gallagher talk nonsense after joes fighter jonas was bashed and got the win last week
Its clear the courts can be bought so pipe down
A failed football owner let's not forget this
I lived and worked in the Middle East for a good few years, and I can tell you in these autocratic countries, the leaders make others wait upon them for hours and hours - and then tell them how it is. If they manage to get themselves into something like the CL, they will expect the same to apply, and the European teams will be at their beck and call.
Non cooperating ManCheaty 115+ should be renamed ManSHIFTY 115+/
We're is Pau Torres...gold Luke 😂
Give it a rest, you lot. Wait for the the hearing. Is there anything else you can talk about.
There right this is a serious case whether you think it shouldn't be debatable and letting it go
Now Ceferin is a hero...no mention on the manouvers he is making to cling to power...
Well its either that or the Super League is formed. Its a bit of a lose lose lmfao
It's something that I found fishy about a club who attract so many good players in such a short time, knowing the club is not well known. Probably high salaries or new owners, but so many famous players in short space of time. ???
I hopethey don't get relegated, most clubs are bang at it and winning the prem without city involvement would be a big ""what if?"" Fine them a huge amount and distribute the money equally amongst the clubs lower down.
true. henderson is not ronaldo.
Courage of convictions 😂😂😂
Regarding this story and as a small disclaimer I do like Manchester City for the way they play and have followed Guardiola since he was at Barca, I am also just a layperson, I am not a lawyer, barrister, work in a law firm or have a law degree, these are just my thoughts that come to mind.
I do think that Simon is correct in stating this is a serious issue, which Manchester City obviously understand, however, it is one thing proving that they there has been a breach of FFP due to overspending such as Everton and Forest and another thing entirely where they are in essence accusing not just Manchester City but City Football Group, UAE and its associated partners of systemic fraud.
Also, take into account that one of the owners of City Football Group is Silver Lake who are not stupid and would not have funded half a billion pounds in 2019 into City Football Group without doing due diligence.
Then of course there is Marcelo Claure who is part owner of Girona and once had a stake in Inter Miami before selling his stake to Beckham and was once CEO of Softbank.
Also, a large amount of these charges will also have to deal with limitation periods, just because the Premier League as far as I am aware doesn't explicitly advise these don't apply or do apply, will mean, I would argue that the independent commission alongside trying to consider that there is this amount of fraud in this case will also have to take into account whether as it was in the CAS case that the Premier League have simply left it too late to challenge any particular breach, as they six years as per the Limitation act from the date of knowledge to put forward a claim.
If the independent commission agrees with that, then I can imagine there will be arguments as to what the date of Knowledge actually was if it was when Der Spiegel released the news story about Rui Costa and the hacking of Man City's servers then it could be argued then they are just within the limit if however, it was when the breach occurred then a lot of these charges could get wiped.
Also, although having looked at the rules of the Premier League they allow any information that comes from reliable means, so I can imagine that could be argued as well, considering this whole thing started due to the illegal hacking of their computers, so I would argue that there would be an issue about the fruit of the poisonous tree.
Then, of course, there is the matter of the release of information, I remember that there was a listing of a Court case between Man City and the EPL which was quickly removed, no idea why it was there but it wouldn't surprise me if it was about the release of confidential information as there may have been an argument between the two entities about whether Man City had a legal or contractual requirement to release information to the Premier League if it was commercial sensitive in these circumstances which the Court had to adjudicate as an example.
If I a simple layperson can come up with this, within minutes of the video, it is no wonder it has taken so long to get to this stage when you have an eloquence of lawyers, just my 2 cents. :P
The accusations were made due to evidence that leaked back in 2018, not due to hunches...
Small disclaimer, the PL invited city to cooperate in this case, opened the doors for them. They have willingly declined to do so, one of the charges. On the evidence the PL gathered there’s 115 charges, when city start to defend themselves and provide info it could be another 115. If Everton are being taken apart over PSR and fined, city are screwed for year long fraud. The second Everton were docked 10pts it’s a precedent. City are next & all others who cooked their books. It’s football not a billionaires plaything. This is a real disease in the game & needs to get back to the most important thing football. City are the best team in Europe, how they got there that’s all on their owners. No blame at Pep or the team & its fans. But the mgt that’s where the problem is
@@patcronin9132 Uefa also opened the doors. Then proceeded to use faked emails to try and force city to cooperate. Then when city cooperated they used the evidence provided by city to try and make new charges.
So city stopped cooperating and got fined.
Everton shouldn't have cooperated. City shouldn't cooperate. All they ever want to do is find something to charge you with. Whatever it is.
I am aware it was not hunches. 😊😊@@charnepienaar5929
Having looked at the rules, Man City were not exactly invited they are required to cooperate in a similar vein to UEFA, however, from what I understand from legal circles it is perfectly normal for one side or both to delay, prevaricate and cause barriers to be created.
Regarding Man CIty providing information and more charges being presented, I don't think that can happen without the Premier League starting a new investigation and setting up a new independent panel as per its rules of association
Regarding Everton and Forest, it is a completely different scenario and is relatively straight forward where it is a matter of calculation and determining whether you are or not breaching a defined limit.
Regarding Man City, in essence, the EPL are attempting to prove fraud which is obviously a lot higher standard than someone breaching inadvertently or otherwise FFP due to a difference of opinion in calculation.
It is not a clear-cut situation where Man City are guilty, as it is innocent until proven guilty and it depends on whether the EPL actually has evidence that actually proves its charges, just because it thinks it has doesn't mean Man City are guilty is what the independent panel is there to determine.
Also, it depends on how the independent panel is going to rule as the situation is spread over 9 years, there are bound to be differences in the rules and any lawyer worth their salt is likely to be able to exploit this
If they are found guilty, it depends on whether the rules that are breached are sporting, technical or serious ones
Even when the decision is made, it still remains open for either side to make an appeal to a different independent panel in the same vein as Everton and Forest.
It is also possible for them, should they feel that they have a strong enough case to appeal via the Courts, not CAS the domestic Courts but as it is an Arbitration award it would be very difficult to overturn as far as I understand it. @@patcronin9132
They're definitely guilty in at least 1. They were a small yoyo club before they took over. They were spending stupid amounts of money at the begin.
And?
And that’s why they call them ManCheaty 115+
Bots are strong today
How do I know you're not one ;)
@@jefepeeps4308 true
Autobots rolled out today.
It is blatantly obvious that in Everton’s appeal case the independent commission should dismiss any charges as fundamentally the PSR regulations have been systemically flawed since they were introduced in 2013.
This is because they had no related sanctions policy/formula based on the principles of proportionality as essential components to consider if any breaches are to be properly addressed. They should also have had an underpinning policy to regularly review the regulations to consider such as the impact of inflation particularly on spending limits and also case law on the potential impact on fans.
In addition the PL should withdraw all charges of breaches against all clubs and look to introduce the UEFA regulations as long as they have the necessary underpinning policy’s. This would allow the PL time to address the mess they have put football in including the farcical situation of the transfer window, and look to how they should support all clubs to fulfil their ambitions and potential to improve the game overall.
I am sure Manchester City’s legal team will rip the current regulations to shreds and get all 115 charges dropped and if the PL had any sense they would accept that the current rules are unworkable. They have as good as admitted this when trying to introduce a sanctions policy during the first commission hearing which was quite rightly rejected by the panel who admonished the PL for doing so.
It was excruciating watching Richard Masters in parliamentary hearing saying the PL have promoted an open sanctions policy for the independent commission to decide upon based on the circumstances which the PL thought was fair, then says they are changing the rules to UEFAs. This was an admission that the current rules are flawed and an utter embarrassment. It is also obvious that the PL forced the panel to impose a 10 point penalty based on the sanctions policy that they tried to introduce retrospectively and the ‘independent’ commission allegedly dismissed!
What has also come to light in this debacle is the corrupt relations PL has with the media inc Sky and leaking stories to certain click bait journalists who are trying to be relevant. I for one will never read the Daily Mail or The Athletic again or listen to the self obsessed clueless wannabe Simon Jordan on Talk-sport and I urge all football fans to boycott them until a more balanced form of journalism is adopted.
Bring on the independent regulator and get football back into the interests of the fans. 👍
Man City = “The Lance Amstrong of Soccer.”
You mean bribe ... city are already guilty
Exactly.
Fun fact, accusing a rival of cheating without proof is cheating
Where's the proof you've seen, I've been asking to see it for years you see and nobody has any
Wheres yours?
Man city - The Juventus of England
@@jkjsa1 City aren't accused of bribing referees. Stop telling lies kid
Seriously, unless there is sufficient evidence
It is all manufactured postering on all sides. FFP whole raison d'etre was to prevent teams from going bust. Now it has changed into something else.
"I just want clubs to spend their own money"
Michelle platini introducing FFP
That's a bad take by Simon. Ronaldo can have his opinion on the standards of the French league, and has more experience playing against a variety of French teams in the Champions league and Europa league than Simon, so why should simons opnion hold any more validity
This Ronaldo meat riding is crazy
If you think ronaldo saying Saudi is better than ligue 1 is a good take then your kids are in trouble
I’m wondering how would you feel if somebody can came to you and say you cheated you elementary school exam, you have a university degree today and senior position in an international corporation bcz you cheated your elementary school maths exam..
Talk sport will be the first to be took to court for there continued slander of man city 😂
pepe should be picking a team to beat Carlisle united next season, if there is justice.And Man city fans were magnificent against spurs last night.
Guys KEEP YOUR HATRED BOTTLED IN YOU, OTHERWISE, YOU'LL DIE WITH BITTERNESS
Ronaldo made the Saudi Ligue1 comparison because of Messi. End of. He could have said Holland or Portugal
The reason why they are facing charges will be the reason why they get away with it… Money talks.
Why do they keep saying gumption. Is this the 1800's
It's a serious case to present
Being certain about something of which you have no evidence of, as seen in the CAS judgement, is a fool's game.
It will end up in a court of Law
Nice way to say there is levels of corruption ,and some of them are not affected
I think FFP for the 'big 6' should be £105m loss for the last 3 season, but all other clubs should have £210, or more
If there in European competition though then they have to abide by UEFA's FFP rules which is only £60 Million.
Who decides who the 'big 6' is?
Maybe but they don't have to answer to you
Simon already laying the groundwork for when city are cleared that they guilty anyway 🤷♂️
lol not a chance MC will be found innocent. English footballs reputation far more important than small club with a microscopic fanbases reputation.
If money 💰💰 can solve a problem and make it go away, then it’s no longer a problem ~ SIMPLE ✌🏽✌🏽✌🏽
Alright, do not blame the players at all, but I think it’s a disgrace that referees are allowed to Influence games in this country, when their employees have an interesting in A club
Was Jordan saying that this is all going to go away ??...🤔🤔
Man City are portraying themselves as Walter White from Breaking Bad. They will get their comeuppance.
Don’t hold your breath soft lad.
@@robertmclellan3658Get your "paid them off" excuse ready
@@Beyond_Belief534 I absolutely know that the world champions will beat these malicious allegations hands down.
@@robertmclellan3658 Sorry mate, friendly fire. I meant it for the original comment in the thread.
I can't see them proving it either, it's doubtful it will be proven beyond doubt either way
@@Beyond_Belief534 The Premier League are just not up to this , apparently Mancini and his his agent have never been contacted by either the Premier League or EUFA and it’s the same with Yaya. I’m fairly confident that the Premier League as we speak will be looking for a way out of this without losing to much face.
put them in Division 3. They're rich, they'll climb the leagues and be alright eventually
This has geopolitics written all over it... if the ban was indeed justified then, how could the appeal reverse that ? first, Chelsea, next Man city... one by one all these teams owned by foreign investors in the UK by middle eastern countries, Russia and China will all change ownership. I'd like to see what will happen with PSG.
Let's hope justice is done and man cheaty get relegated.
You are the cheat, accusing a rival of cheating without proof is cheating
@@Beyond_Belief534 115. 😂
ken barlow anything on joe lewis bud
Just because you don't like the Saudis doesn't mean getting these players isn't growing the game
This will leave cristal clear one of two things: either that the Premier League is really the most organized football league in the world or..... that Manchester City is a monster way bigger than the Premier League itself than cannot be stopped even with 115 charges on the table... Like a mafia that is just too big to stop and it's above the law
Over 100 of those charges are mediocre charges
if you have 115 charges come with enough evidence and good lawyers, not jealousy
All of this.Just proves how corrupted the English Premier League is.
Difference is a westener going to a country like Saudi Arabia doesn't get everything catered for them. Where as an Arab going to a western country has everything they need.
I honestly think that Man city fans won’t care less if they were relegated to Div 1 - in fact i think they woukd emjoy it ! they would not desert the team that’s for sure
😂😂😂we’ll see about that!
The old school ones will stick around the hangers on glory supporters will run a mile
That's why to me they will never be a big club, they cheated their way to so called success... That's why I will never give them credit or recognition for the trophies they won ..never😂😂😂
@@thomasyates616I've had a season ticket since 1995, I've seen three relegations, three promotions and more trophies than you could dream of
You're mistaken if you think City fans are all glory hunters there kid.
fans wont desert but wave goodbye to players and manager!!!
City already beat most of these charges in court. The Prem haven't got anything more than UEFA had.
Given em the Rangers treatment and send them to EFL2.
Footballers who say theyve gone to Saudi Arabia to grow the game are total delusional muppets. If that were the case they’d go to Brazil an actual footballing nation or the USA a truly influential western power house.
Money will talk in the end.
It's obvious that city is in over their heads.
But, money will continue to dictate football.
PL is on a deadly track. English football will fall apart like MU, Chelsea. Football is business, can not be treated differently than any other like manufacturing enterprise.
Talksport=Moral High ground=LOL
"The reputation of a nation state"? The same state that murdered and chopped into pieces a reporter critical of their regime? That literally IS their reputation. Why should we care about offending them over their dealings within a football club? The government criticised them over that. Surely this is trivial in comparison?
Their gonna pay off everyone and this will go under the radar smh
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"Taken in a different direction by CAS"
Well, duh. It was CAS who found that the main basis for UEFAS case (the leaked emails) were mainly selected parts of emails, from which certain information had been deleted. One purported email was in fact a combination of two separate emails. This gave a somewhat distorted impression.
In other words CAS ruled that their case was built on faked evidence.
I don’t think a deal will get done here Simon. If the 10 pt deduction for Everton sticks with threats of more to follow & a deal is done for city then the premier league is done as a competition. It will have no further standing & it will be a free for all. All clubs signed up for FFP and clubs that knowingly break this and are openly fraudulent should be relegated, it’s disgusting
Dont confuse this hysterical witch hunt with facts my friend.
Which is true and I think is disgusting. A serious shortcoming of our justice system if is just about applying procedures and finding failures enabling to avoid penalties for obvious offences, without any room for common sense or human intelligence.
@@BambinoAmericano I'm not so sure if it's an indictment on a properly working justice system as opposed to a system like UEFA (and our FA) where the judge and jury are the same.
In the original case UEFA were the prosecution and UEFa were the judge. This happens in our Football system where the FA acts as both judge and jury.
Why anybody thinks it is prudent to cooperate with a prosecutor who is also going to be your judge is beyond me. City have always cooperated with proper judicial systems which is why they cooperated fully with CAS.
Apparently, though they were wrong, Manchester city was innocent.
Man city all these years been escaping FFP ban is so corrupt on FA, EUFA yet Everton for the first time got points deduction
SJ was put in his place by the financial expert Stephan last week but I see he’s reverted to type again.
LOL Clearly, City's bots are out in force here in the comments trying to influence public opinion! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is there a suggestion that CAS were paid off?