Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on … I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
its not worth it, simply speaking its not. my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
Yes really understand how USA economy currently working for students... because currently they are just want students money and then you are on your own... you need to be smart and think many times before investing your money or your parents money... because I also feel USA loosing their power in the world
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year. To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) ! Times have changed, in 2024. Software is eating away most of the jobs. MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught. So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it. Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/UA-cam for education.
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is: 1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.) 2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value. 3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data. 4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true. I might be joining ASU this fall :)
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
Thanks for giving a balanced perspective. This will help a lot of people before taking huge debts coming to the USA. On a personal level, I saw the immigration problems in the US and decided to go to Germany. It has worked out well but you are right about taking a calculated risk. There is no guarantee any life.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
@@user-gx1tr7nu5b agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
Thanks for the informative video Masters in Health Informatics would be a good decision to do at this time ? Does recession affect health sector also ?
This analysis is spot on, providing a comprehensive breakdown of the decision-making process when considering studying or working in the US. Excellent job 👌
Hi Abir, I have always found your videos to be exceptional within the study abroad genre, consistently providing precise and valuable information. This particular video is no exception, and I am deeply appreciative of the insights shared. I would like to request further exploration of this topic, specifically concerning the projected outcomes of pursuing an MS in the in 2024. Given the potential policy changes under a new presidential administration, which may restrict the hiring of international workers, along with the heightened competition in the US job market, a comprehensive analysis would be immensely beneficial. Moreover, considering a scenario where a 100k salary could ultimately result in a net income of only 20-25k after expenses, it raises questions about the overall advantage. This amount is comparable to earnings one might secure in India. Additionally, with strong placements in India, a job switch could potentially yield significantly higher earnings than what might be expected in the US market.
See I'm Doing BE in AI in mumbai and honestly want to study more like go deep and study bit by bit how things work (I love technologies so much and want to excel ) and at the same time about money my family is above 2Cr mark so its fine but its in asset form so have to sell to be get in, Sooo my quesion is that is it worth it...(af course i want your opinion)
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
Hi Abir, Quick Question: 1. Fully Funded PhD in Physics at LSU, Not sure about opportunities after PhD 2. A stable government police job, but salary and standard of living is low Which is better, if your plan is long-term settlement and earning a lot of legal money. Are there enough opportunities for Physics Phd graduates?
I’ve got admits from a few us universities for MEM program I wish to transition into product management, now I am unsure whether I shd pursue it or not😢, transitioning into management field from an IT background is difficult right?
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
thank you for your insights! do you happen to know anyone who switched from CS to another niche stream within STEM by coming to the US for their masters? i have no research experience in bioinformatics and i didn't pursue biology in 10+2 but i would really like to pursue this stream and i'm ready to take the time to put in any work required to improve my profile. seeing all these videos makes me wonder if i'm cooked
A niche that is seeing a lot of growth is semiconductors (Nvidia, Micron, TSMC, ASML) - so I think CS + embedded/firmware/GPU exposure is a solid niche (because supply of talent is low) I'm afraid I do not have any solid info on the bioinformatics side.
Just one question , i am in tier 3 college purusing Btech CSE, family barely a mark of "1 cr wali family" and me and my father are bullish for a ms now, i have been watching these videos but, cant understand what to do now, should i still have the american dream or should i opt for jobs in india? i know its getting luck based but what if the odds gets favourable to me or what to do if it doesnt! please reply.
Try to optimize for costs, and quantify risk: A university that has a lot of assistantship opportunities (this is very difficult to research, so you'll have to cold DM a lot of people) is going to be your best bet.
Better go to Germany which has free education. The quality of education is better than the US. The tech field is dynamic and whatever you have learnt in your masters might not be there after some years. So invest less on tech degrees
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time. To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client. Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened. I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity. My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
Hi Abhi, your video just got pop up on my UA-cam channel and I love it. I just want to ask one question that I have gotten admit for Clarkson University for MBA program in business analytics and the Tuition fee is around the 40 lakhs. In India, I am making five LPA annually, so do you suggest me to come to US? And I want to know how is the market there for management consultant? Is it worth spending 40 lakhs and studying in US?
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
3 years ago our clients forced us to accept payment in USD, but seeing US minting trillion of dollars out of thin air Europe clients have understood and started payment in Euros Pounds instead years ago eg To pay us 1.5 USD they were shelling out there just 1 pound. But if now they do the same to pay the same USD dollar amount to us they need 1.25 Pound. Our cybersecurity Europe client had predicted which many others still have no clue And now all major countries are forming alliance and also finding USD alternative Its not only russia india and china but UK Europe as well Please enlighten in uSa i
Quick question: a) Offer from Georgia Tech MS Mechanical Engineering? b) or Offer from Airbus north of the hard salary number? Leaning towards Airbus, as I feel that even though market for tech is bad, the market for AE is non existent.
Run the hard numbers: Ask yourself 1. How much are you making and saving with the Airbus salary? 2. How much would a 100K job compare to this salary? 3. Is your inclination towards a short-term or a long-term plan in US?
HEY CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW SHOULD I JUSTIFY MY GAP YEAR. After passing my high school i was diagnosed with a disease and that why i took a year gap. How should i put it in my visa interview. please help me out. should i upload these on ds160 or take my reports with me in visa interview. thank you should i mention my health issues in ds 160. If yes then , where should i mention in ds160 form.
The VO doesn't care a lot about your gap year. They care about your immigration intention (that you are going to study), ties to your home country, and your finances (most of the time I20 is proof that your finances are already vetted) So taking a gap year is totally fine. You could mention some personal projects that you might have worked on, to upskill yourself.
I worked in Marketing Analytics in the past. To be honest, nobody cares about your degree while hiring, it comes downs to your Statistics and programming skills.
Hi abir, you are right many are stuck in this decision phase. I myself am on of it. I got visa for fall 24 ( MS civil @ Florida Tech). But, after asking around many students there online, all are suggesting to not come as part time jobs are not at all available. Coming from a middle class household, taking a loan of 25 lacs from credila @ 12.25% roi seems to be a huge risk for me. I am sceptical whether i should go or not. I don't want to be in a Debt trap.
I got admits from unis nd kind of finalized lot of stuffs regarding it..but as tym approches more near for me to leave ,it's making me. Nervous..ofc also seeing the current scenario ldk what to do..
Whats your view on mechanical graduate who's not making any salary as of now due to his 3 years on upsc exams and having a career gap of 3 years now seeing all these lifestyle of software engineers, driven to that and at the age of 26 without any background in computer science planning to do ms in cs in usa? And he's is damn dedicated when it comes to his last option like this, Is it worthy of taking 45k usd loan and doing ms? And to mention not aiming for green card or citizenship, just wanted to study in another country be with the culture and work for 3 years to regain the amount spent on education and some savings? After that returning to the home country or settle down in any European country. Please give a honest reply in your perspective coz you seems to have good knowledge on this.
Yes like I said in the video, I feel (personal opinion) for fields like mechanical, industrial, construction it makes to get the Masters degree here (given that you can afford you without TOO much stress on family) - because opportunities are very low in India (as an employee)
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 Hey Abir I think you haven't read my question clearly, I'm not going to continue in mechanical, I'm planning to do master in computer science. Planning to change the domain. It would be really helpful if you go through my comment once again and give a suggestion from your side.
Ah got it. 1. First of all whether it is "worthy" depends on how affordable it is. That's why I mentioned about the net worth part in the video. If you're worth 5 CR (for example) then spending 50 lacs on a US degree is actually decent. However if you're worth 1 CR then spending half of that, selling assets and mortgaging your house might not be the best financial step, because there's a lot of uncertainty involved (EVEN IF YOU ARE SKILLED) So this risk has to be quantified by you. 2. Given that you decide to pursue it, I'd advise you to be well versed with coding and computer science fundamentals because you will be competing will a skilled pool of students with strong grit (most of them will have a bachelors in CS) - so it might be a challenge to keep up. I don't mean to demotivate you but - this prep should be done before coming to the US, because the minute you land here, you will start job hunting (in some way or the other)
You're better off going to Europe, it's cheaper for University, And less overworklng society. You may not last past 15 years in America because all you will do is Work and get no time for Vacations to rest your brain.
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I'm not looking for an editor in the current moment, but please send me a message on LinkedIn/Instagram - so that I can get in contact with you. Thanks!
Can you name which revolutionary steps India has taken in last ten years ? India has become inhospitable. No water, electricity and roads. So called convinanices are chores done highly underpaid and overworked people. I live in metro city and basic infrastructure is crumbling apart. Half hour of rain and waist deep water.
Everything is improving in India. About your rain issue,almost all countries will face water logging in heavy rainfall. To say human can win against nature's fury is sheer st*pidity.
@manishmishra: Don't forget that in addition to the course fees, there's also the cost of living in the US for 4 years. And… the BS would have to be followed by an MS. Can you manage the cost (incl. fees) for these 6 years - even if there is a downturn in the US economy??
Finance is huge in USA. Areas like credit, quant, private equity, etc. But getting a job is about demand-supply gaps in talent, immigration issues (a lot of banks don't sponsor visas because of regulations), skillsets and lot of luck. I don't exactly know how the finance job market is right now (at least not as well as I know about the tech markets) ; but you should definitely research that and talk to recent graduates before taking major decisions.
Hey, excellent research and insights. I completely agree with you. I left a job in Fortune 1 back in India with a salary over 20 LPA to pursue studies and gain experience, not for the money. Even though I'm managing every day, life here feels like a constant struggle, and I can't help but compare it to my life in India. Clearing the debt will make it worthwhile, but if I had the chance, I don't think I would do it again. The cost is just too high, and it seems that luck plays a bigger role than talent these days.
Agreed! Agreed!
Skill issue.?
What did you study?? Did you do on campus jobs with studies
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
I am surprised that a guy as young as you has so much clarity … every point you made is spot on …
I have been living 20yrs in USA and can vouch that everything you said is 100% correct .. couldn’t have put it better
Thank you!
The r/IndiansStudyAbroad is a pretty good group imho, they share a lot of information
its not worth it, simply speaking its not.
my cousin moved to US 4 years back, he graduated from NEU (MSDAE) got a job at one of the largest insurance company, got 2 back to back award for being the best DS, he has 4 certifications but he could not get his H1B the company really wanted him there and they did what they could, he is back in india now and is making 32 LPA but at what cost ?? he would have anyways made 32 LPA but now he is debt of whopping 38 lakhs ( it was 60 lakhs total but he has paid 24 lakhs ) even if you are talented, even if you have skills getting the H1B is pure luck based.
Thanks for sharing the story. Great example of how winning becomes difficult even after winning (What is even winning? Getting a job? Getting H1B?)
was your cousin not able to payback the loan on 3 years of OPT?
i don't think it's whopping, if you're making 32LPA, 3 to 4 years max he'd be able to pay off. But would he get that appreciation and experience in India? i don't think so. After a certain point money need not be the sole depiction of a situation. Maybe he'd be able to answer that better.
Agreed, the current H1B system is bad and can screw you over. You can work hard, do everything right, and come out with huge debt. I have an Indian friend from NEU who is working an "unpaid internship" (slave labor) and trying to ride out the tech market slowdown. It's not a skill issue. It's just random luck.
@@gaurav13020 yeah many people aren't basically paying the loan back nowadays. Thankfully their parents are loaded I guess. These fields like Data Science, IT, etc pretty much don't have as many jobs as the consultants advertise
very nicely put insights , this is something i had been thinking about lately
This cleared a lot of my doubts. Thanks Buddy
Didn't realize it was a 16min video-it felt like only 4-5 minutes! You shared wonderful points that students need to consider. Please keep making these kinds of videos, they're incredibly valuable.
Yessir!
True
Probably the best comment for any video! Irrespective of the domain the video works.
90% of the students are from Telugu states with no experience or skills.
why's that? Are Telugu that rich or is it like Punjabi's preferring Cannada?
@@cbazxy2697 Most of the students in Telugu states end up doing Btech, because of the pressure from society to become a software engineer, and there’re shitload of engineering colleges in Andhra and Telangana who’d gladly sell you an admission very cheaply. So, when they can’t find a job in India after graduation, their next option is to go to USA.
It is like punjabis preferring Canada @@cbazxy2697
50% IIT have Telugu people so according to u without knowledge talent they r cracking IIT exam
@@kalyanreddy7833 accept reality 😃
great insights bro , keep up the good work !
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Really interesting! It felt like a thorough scientific study backed up by deep analysis!
Yes really understand how USA economy currently working for students... because currently they are just want students money and then you are on your own... you need to be smart and think many times before investing your money or your parents money... because I also feel USA loosing their power in the world
Wonderful points man! Keep it up!
Extremely insightful video, keep up the good work❤
Thoughful insights!! Totally agree with your definition of middle class💯
I feel like all this university ranking are just to pump up the tuition rates for international students at the end of the day, your knowledge and skills would be important in Job market.
This was such a such a well put video. These exact thoughts were going in my mind from the past few days. Glad, I’m not the only one who thoroughly acknowledges that migrating to US in our Dad’s time was way easier and also logical. The ROI they got is unmatched but now I fear to put my feet in unknown waters. The risk is too damn high. Even after we get a job, we aren’t even sure how long this software field would sustain and also visa headache, oh and btw good luck getting not shot by a random angry person
really great insights dude
As a former international student, this is very well put.
Really smart inputs 💯
I've always wondered how people manage their families while staying abroad - especially those in the US
I’m currently a masters student in mechanical engineering and this will be my second year.
To anyone coming for fall semester, whatever major you are in please gain some experience and arrive here , most of us are suffering here without internship or work opportunities because of no experience, don’t make that mistake.
Hi can you drop your email i have some questions, can you help me out i am planning to come to us for masters in mechanical engineering
It's not worth it anymore, I was in US last year and i was shocked at the cost of living, housing price increase and the lack of wage growth. To top it all, the frequent recessions and job losses. Earlier people used to think that once you had a green card it's all rose and glory, not anymore. Even citizens are being layed off left right and centre. If this is the case, what job guarantee and safety doing you have? Also GC backlog is also not going away anytime soon. Think and decide.
Very well summed up....
Well said 💯
Almost 10 years ago, people would go to USA for masters(and then to settle down there) !
Times have changed, in 2024.
Software is eating away most of the jobs.
MOST of the well paid jobs and programming jobs, and MOST of such jobs can be done remotely. Programming can ONLY be self taught.
So, in future, schools and college degrees would be of use to less than 1000 people, on Earth, and most people humans would try to master a skill and shall try to gain mastery over it.
Indians should start preparing themselves for global jobs, by ditching Indian education system, and depending solely, on Udemy/UA-cam for education.
Very good 👍 presentation. Nice coverage
Thank you so much for speaking in english. 🙏
Perfectly articulate
Nicely put. Please put some insight on Accounting or Finance opportunities.
It would be really helpful if you could get batch mates from different streams. Parallely few topics you can help with is:
1. Is it the bad market or saturated industry? (Eg. UX Design, DS, etc.)
2. Purely psychological take on moving abroad. There's a significant information on monetary decision making but less of social impact. Parents usually put -loss of cultural value.
3. Role of infrastructure in tech or other industries. Maybe a list once you've enough data.
4. Personal: Current tech start-up ecosystem - I believe one can be on the innovation end of things, unsure if true.
I might be joining ASU this fall :)
If you can talk about the Tech Job Market like what skills are being hired more right now, be it DevOps, Cloud, SDE, Data, AI Etc. It'd be helpful
well coverd
Please make a video on guide for PHD in Computer Science In USA for Indian Student with Btech in Cs. Please.
Good points. Too many come to USA for studies with main (many times only) aspiration to get a great job. This was, is and will always be a bad reason to come to US.
I have friends working in Razor pay its overhyped and I believe lot of startups in bangalore dont provide the opptunity to make wealth which Usa does
Bro your analysis is spot on, but earning 20-25 lpa is the best salary you can get. And most of these salaries are paid by startups which are very volatile in nature. Second thing you didn't consider is when company says 25 lpa, they are talking about CTC. It means that inhand salary is around 15-16 lac. Hardly you'll find anyone in india making 3lac per month. The whole CTC is inflated thing. Whereas these salaries are being offered in Banglore/Hyderabad where cost of living has increased significantly. I still believe it's much more easy to save 1000 dollars than 1 lac in India. Thanks for your analysis.
The best route would be to have free education in Germany, Gaining experience in Germany for some years without any debt and getting german PR and later moving it to USA. This route has less debt, no issues with H1B and exploring europe being a bachelor.
H1b issue is there, you wont be citizen in germany
Only a fraction of student opt for masters for the sake of education and skills. They opt for masters as foot in the door in the USA so that they can do whatever it takes to stay back. This is a shame. Most of the students are able to do it as parents are more than willing to sponsor their children and take loans to send children abroad without knowing the implications.
Now with the current market situation and the advent of artificial intelligence, this might reduce
Thanks for giving a balanced perspective. This will help a lot of people before taking huge debts coming to the USA. On a personal level, I saw the immigration problems in the US and decided to go to Germany. It has worked out well but you are right about taking a calculated risk. There is no guarantee any life.
I had admits from university for fall 24 and by hearing the condition of the job market I dropped my decision to going to the US. The fresh graduates are competing with people who got laid off + the backlog of Students who are searching for job for the last 2 years. The situation is unlikely to change in the next 2 year sadly.
I am also thinking about postponing my plan to do MS in USA . What is happening is really unfortunate for the students.
better to drop . Not even postponing would help as situation is not going to improve
@@user-gx1tr7nu5bwhy do you say it is not going to improve ?
I am planning to postpone too. I've been postponing since Aug 2023. Idk I've lost hope of things improving now and tbh i feel lost.
@@user-gx1tr7nu5b agree .. only come if you get through a very good school or low tuition fees ... I am h4 dependent and don't need to pay for rent and food and car.. and my tuition fees is 25k .. so it is ok.. I have eleven years work ex and moving to edtech.. better to be in a stem course that is not CS or DS.. maybe market is still ok for electrical and manufacturing
like this videos help a lot 🗽
thanks
Thanks for the informative video Masters in Health Informatics would be a good decision to do at this time ? Does recession affect health sector also ?
This analysis is spot on, providing a comprehensive breakdown of the decision-making process when considering studying or working in the US. Excellent job 👌
Thanks BB! See you Wednesday!
Stay at home, please. You see this as ROI. Others see it as an invasion.
If u are able to save 20 lakhs then its good to be in India itself
hey you are good! You have thought about this in depth!
Good message. People are unnecessary wasting money .
Its huge money ,
US wabrs only high talented students only. and IT jobs outsourced and on decline
Hi Abir,
I have always found your videos to be exceptional within the study abroad genre, consistently providing precise and valuable information. This particular video is no exception, and I am deeply appreciative of the insights shared.
I would like to request further exploration of this topic, specifically concerning the projected outcomes of pursuing an MS in the in 2024. Given the potential policy changes under a new presidential administration, which may restrict the hiring of international workers, along with the heightened competition in the US job market, a comprehensive analysis would be immensely beneficial.
Moreover, considering a scenario where a 100k salary could ultimately result in a net income of only 20-25k after expenses, it raises questions about the overall advantage. This amount is comparable to earnings one might secure in India. Additionally, with strong placements in India, a job switch could potentially yield significantly higher earnings than what might be expected in the US market.
Take into consideration your race your undergrad degree and your school that you attend and what degree you get
See I'm Doing BE in AI in mumbai and honestly want to study more like go deep and study bit by bit how things work (I love technologies so much and want to excel ) and at the same time about money my family is above 2Cr mark so its fine but its in asset form so have to sell to be get in, Sooo my quesion is that is it worth it...(af course i want your opinion)
yeah thats why US Fang companies are laying off heavily😢
10:55 sure but life experience and other factors come in the picture as well. If money is the sole criteria then makes sense.
Since I am planning my Masters abroad, I have gone through many vudeos on "Should you come to USA" and I must say this is the most relatable and to the point video.
So what do you decided?should you go or not?
yeah what did you decide ??
hi sir
i am currently pursuing btech final yr , i have plans to come to US for masters so ehats ur suggestion sir
There is so much competition right now for too few spots. I see 100's of OPT/CPT Indian students posting for positions in the company I work for all the time. They are now enacting an HR policy of not sponsoring H1B, which is a big risk for these students. That coupled with AI and Automation, im not really sure how these students are all going to make it. You really need a lot of luck.
Hey, Saw your video, but are you moving back to India for technical career opportunities, as you mentioned in India its wider?
Hi Abir,
Quick Question:
1. Fully Funded PhD in Physics at LSU, Not sure about opportunities after PhD
2. A stable government police job, but salary and standard of living is low
Which is better, if your plan is long-term settlement and earning a lot of legal money. Are there enough opportunities for Physics Phd graduates?
I’ve got admits from a few us universities for MEM program I wish to transition into product management, now I am unsure whether I shd pursue it or not😢, transitioning into management field from an IT background is difficult right?
Lovely explanation...
Nt worth going to US for MS if earning 25 lakh plus salary in India
As getting H1B is purely luck
2 lac a month is a good money India..
Hey i am student from commerce background deciding to do master in finance in USA , should i do it or not according to job market of US in this degree
Talk about roles in finance in The Us.
How fair is that if there is no financial background and my entire expenses for moving to US are from a loan , Job in India was not my area of interest but then landed as a contact center representative at hsbc with 4LPA as a fresher , and planning to move to masters ? Is that a wise decision?
thank you for your insights! do you happen to know anyone who switched from CS to another niche stream within STEM by coming to the US for their masters? i have no research experience in bioinformatics and i didn't pursue biology in 10+2 but i would really like to pursue this stream and i'm ready to take the time to put in any work required to improve my profile. seeing all these videos makes me wonder if i'm cooked
A niche that is seeing a lot of growth is semiconductors (Nvidia, Micron, TSMC, ASML) - so I think CS + embedded/firmware/GPU exposure is a solid niche (because supply of talent is low)
I'm afraid I do not have any solid info on the bioinformatics side.
Good video brother. But can masters student can get jobs in USA. Part time, full time, except on campus??
Just one question , i am in tier 3 college purusing Btech CSE, family barely a mark of "1 cr wali family" and me and my father are bullish for a ms now, i have been watching these videos but, cant understand what to do now, should i still have the american dream or should i opt for jobs in india?
i know its getting luck based but what if the odds gets favourable to me or what to do if it doesnt!
please reply.
Try to optimize for costs, and quantify risk: A university that has a lot of assistantship opportunities (this is very difficult to research, so you'll have to cold DM a lot of people) is going to be your best bet.
Better go to Germany which has free education. The quality of education is better than the US. The tech field is dynamic and whatever you have learnt in your masters might not be there after some years. So invest less on tech degrees
Without experience fresher should come or not? Whats your opinion
Masters in agriculture or horticulture (agriculture and horti is stem course) in usa.
Is it worth it?
How is job market for agri or horti?
Salary?
Excellent clarity of thought and articulation including the choice of words and manner of presentation. I would like to offer you another perspective which you would lack due to your age and the stage of life you are in. Once you spend 5 years in US it is extremely difficult to move back if you have a family and your kids have lived in the convience of US society. Once you spent 7 or 10 years it becomes next to immpossible. At that point your kids are simply not ready to move to India and learn the hard grind. Second and third language mandates in Indian school makes the move immposible. At that point yours parents might need you, or you might have got some health issues that you cannot treat conviently in US healthcare system and you are frustrated of that GC will take forever; but if you move your kid will fail in second and third language so you can't move. There are more nuances, but I cannot type all of that 😊
This makes a lot of sense.
iT is skilled based profession it's not much about what degree you have but what skills you have. 70% of Indian IT companies work for US based clients. If you come to USA to work and get opportunity to work closely with client then it makes sense. If you coming to do masters from some average university in USA and don't get work permit to work in USA after doing masters then you are just incurring student loan debt and not gaining anything much except for frustration. Most students won't get opportunity to do work in USA and won't gain must skilss. They will only burn money and waste time.
To summarize come to USA after gaining experience in india and don't come to do masters leaving decent job in India. It won't help much, come on student visa only if you getting in tier 1 university.
My sis is going to US for job with US client.
Few months back,I was curious to know when will my third tier city's state transport bus stand will get reopened.
I didn't even thought about US before this new opportunity.
My sis studied in our city college so that expenses are not out of budget. Now 10 years experience in top tier company in Pune.
Hi Abhi, your video just got pop up on my UA-cam channel and I love it.
I just want to ask one question that I have gotten admit for Clarkson University for MBA program in business analytics and the Tuition fee is around the 40 lakhs.
In India, I am making five LPA annually, so do you suggest me to come to US?
And I want to know how is the market there for management consultant? Is it worth spending 40 lakhs and studying in US?
then, what diid you decide.?
Its a bad idea to go to US at this time as recession may hit at any time unless it is for research programs and/or the student is very good with street smart skills. The jobs are getting harder, and as soon as recession hits, there will be no jobs for immigrants. Think about tens of lakhs you have to spend that took decades for your parents to earn. Think twice; India is doing very good, chances of succeeding in India is better is as India is progressing very fast. Wait for next 4-5 yrs.
3 years ago our clients forced us to accept payment in USD, but seeing US minting trillion of dollars out of thin air Europe clients have understood and started payment in Euros Pounds instead years ago eg
To pay us 1.5 USD they were shelling out there just 1 pound.
But if now they do the same to pay the same USD dollar amount to us they need 1.25 Pound.
Our cybersecurity Europe client had predicted which many others still have no clue
And now all major countries are forming alliance and also finding USD alternative
Its not only russia india and china but UK Europe as well
Please enlighten in uSa i
Quick question:
a) Offer from Georgia Tech MS Mechanical Engineering?
b) or Offer from Airbus north of the hard salary number?
Leaning towards Airbus, as I feel that even though market for tech is bad, the market for AE is non existent.
Run the hard numbers: Ask yourself
1. How much are you making and saving with the Airbus salary?
2. How much would a 100K job compare to this salary?
3. Is your inclination towards a short-term or a long-term plan in US?
@@abirbhattacharjee5227
1. I would save about $1200
2. It is the same as 100k when PPP is factored in
3. I was thinking short term
Swe2 nowdays in fang companies make 55+lpa. While swe3 make 90lpa+
Can i come for masters in commerce field's like HR, finance and accounting looking at the current scenario of usa job market ?
Can I shift to US after a couple of years work experience from India????????? Are there any opportunities????
What about Indians in USA after PROJECT 2025 ? 💀💀💀
How will be job oppurtunities for MS in Media Management international graduates?
No knowledge about Media Management, sorry man.
Thanks Abirbhai,pl.speak hindi also and briefly.
Hey brother i am currently in 12th class and i am planning to pursue bachelors in HCI in usa next year 2025. Should i go for it?
If you can afford it and are okay with the risks, then yes.
Make vudeo about marketing and business jobs in U.S
very informative video make video how can a fresher land a job is us from india.
what is the situation for freshers?
What about Phd in USA along with job on h1b?
number of open positions is below pre covid levels for tech
Definitely. I'm trying to get some data from labor statistics for this. Let me know if you have something handy.
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 ill share on discord
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 check indeed job postings graph for software dev in the us and uk
Any insights on scholarship that would help for those who wanna pursue masters
HEY CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW SHOULD I JUSTIFY MY GAP YEAR. After passing my high school i was diagnosed with a disease and that why i took a year gap. How should i put it in my visa interview.
please help me out.
should i upload these on ds160 or take my reports with me in visa interview.
thank you
should i mention my health issues in ds 160. If yes then , where should i mention in ds160 form.
The VO doesn't care a lot about your gap year. They care about your immigration intention (that you are going to study), ties to your home country, and your finances (most of the time I20 is proof that your finances are already vetted)
So taking a gap year is totally fine. You could mention some personal projects that you might have worked on, to upskill yourself.
Discuss the salary in USA
Hey, I am planning for marketing analytics in USA. Is it a wise choice?!
I worked in Marketing Analytics in the past. To be honest, nobody cares about your degree while hiring, it comes downs to your Statistics and programming skills.
@@user-ut9fu1mt5r Did you work in USA/abroad or in India?
Hey I am going for marketing analytics.Which uni are you going to?
Hi abir, you are right many are stuck in this decision phase. I myself am on of it. I got visa for fall 24 ( MS civil @ Florida Tech). But, after asking around many students there online, all are suggesting to not come as part time jobs are not at all available. Coming from a middle class household, taking a loan of 25 lacs from credila @ 12.25% roi seems to be a huge risk for me.
I am sceptical whether i should go or not. I don't want to be in a Debt trap.
Non collateral?
@@Pratim-z7l yes bro
I got admits from unis nd kind of finalized lot of stuffs regarding it..but as tym approches more near for me to leave ,it's making me. Nervous..ofc also seeing the current scenario ldk what to do..
Bruh same here😅
Whats your view on mechanical graduate who's not making any salary as of now due to his 3 years on upsc exams and having a career gap of 3 years now seeing all these lifestyle of software engineers, driven to that and at the age of 26 without any background in computer science planning to do ms in cs in usa? And he's is damn dedicated when it comes to his last option like this, Is it worthy of taking 45k usd loan and doing ms? And to mention not aiming for green card or citizenship, just wanted to study in another country be with the culture and work for 3 years to regain the amount spent on education and some savings? After that returning to the home country or settle down in any European country. Please give a honest reply in your perspective coz you seems to have good knowledge on this.
Yes like I said in the video, I feel (personal opinion) for fields like mechanical, industrial, construction it makes to get the Masters degree here (given that you can afford you without TOO much stress on family) - because opportunities are very low in India (as an employee)
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 Hey Abir I think you haven't read my question clearly, I'm not going to continue in mechanical, I'm planning to do master in computer science. Planning to change the domain. It would be really helpful if you go through my comment once again and give a suggestion from your side.
Ah got it.
1. First of all whether it is "worthy" depends on how affordable it is. That's why I mentioned about the net worth part in the video. If you're worth 5 CR (for example) then spending 50 lacs on a US degree is actually decent. However if you're worth 1 CR then spending half of that, selling assets and mortgaging your house might not be the best financial step, because there's a lot of uncertainty involved (EVEN IF YOU ARE SKILLED) So this risk has to be quantified by you.
2. Given that you decide to pursue it, I'd advise you to be well versed with coding and computer science fundamentals because you will be competing will a skilled pool of students with strong grit (most of them will have a bachelors in CS) - so it might be a challenge to keep up. I don't mean to demotivate you but - this prep should be done before coming to the US, because the minute you land here, you will start job hunting (in some way or the other)
@@abirbhattacharjee5227 thank you so much for your words
Hi, with 9.7 cgpa, couple of Tier1 internships and no research work, is it difficult to get thru stanford, CMU, Georgia Tech?
@@indiralaxmi7963 idk about stanford but I’d be surprised if GaTech and similar schools reject you.
Any suggestions, which universities I should Target? I am looking professional MS (non thesis), in AI or systems.
You're better off going to Europe, it's cheaper for University, And less overworklng society. You may not last past 15 years in America because all you will do is Work and get no time for Vacations to rest your brain.
Hii, Sir
I See your content. It's so helpful. I can help you in some way.
Do you need a video editor ?
I can help you to save your crucial time through my editing skills.
I'm not looking for an editor in the current moment, but please send me a message on LinkedIn/Instagram - so that I can get in contact with you. Thanks!
well MBA sounds every scary
Hey what about bachlors in Germany
Can you name which revolutionary steps India has taken in last ten years ? India has become inhospitable. No water, electricity and roads. So called convinanices are chores done highly underpaid and overworked people. I live in metro city and basic infrastructure is crumbling apart. Half hour of rain and waist deep water.
Everything is improving in India.
About your rain issue,almost all countries will face water logging in heavy rainfall.
To say human can win against nature's fury is sheer st*pidity.
Well komal you said it no wonder Indians want to leave country.
What’s your view on doing undergrad in CS from US?
@manishmishra:
Don't forget that in addition to the course fees, there's also the cost of living in the US for 4 years.
And… the BS would have to be followed by an MS.
Can you manage the cost (incl. fees) for these 6 years - even if there is a downturn in the US economy??
Hey, Does a fresher can find a job in us job job market in accounts or finance, after 3 year graduation in India in finance.
Finance is huge in USA. Areas like credit, quant, private equity, etc.
But getting a job is about demand-supply gaps in talent, immigration issues (a lot of banks don't sponsor visas because of regulations), skillsets and lot of luck.
I don't exactly know how the finance job market is right now (at least not as well as I know about the tech markets) ; but you should definitely research that and talk to recent graduates before taking major decisions.