@@TehPwnerer not always rush decisions save lives, on this channel was the video "The Kaprun Alpine Railway Disaster 2000", a railway train was on fire and many people chose to evacuate to the top and choked the smoke, a small percentage of people went down and was survived
There are several types of door- the outwards plug door, the external sliding door and the pocket door. External sliding doors and pocket doors do not seal as well a plug doors therefore they'd be more prone to leaking and allowing water into the passenger cabin.
@@williamhuang8309ive seen some subways with external sliding, and in the sides there are huge holes where water can come in. also whats a pocket door? is it when the door emerges from inside the wall? and a plug door would be when it goes forward and then opens presumably
The thing is tho, this ain’t america, so you’d probably actually trust it as the only place for shelter, as otherwise you had to stay above ground and also get drowned
I'm glad most of the people inside the train lived to tell what happened. Imagine, being trapped in a flooded tunnel for four fucking hours with oxygen levels and body temperature quickly decreasing...holy fuck.
Imagine being stuck in a flooding train for more then like 12 hours, corpses floating around, you scared for your life and you start feeling sleepy and everything hurts.
You guys do know that there have been multiple environmental projects in China for decades right? Especially China's Green Wall project that has already planted over a million trees around or near the Gobi desert.
I think the problem really is allowing line 5 to operate under such obviously extreme conditions. For safety reasons, they should have just said "we'd better not". Yes, tens of thousands of people used the subway when everything else failed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world if they had to stay at their workplace or whatever until the storm floods subsided. Even if line 5 was never submerged, shutting it down would have been the right thing to do.
I got reminded of the 2002 flooding of Prague. It was the biggest flood to hit Prague in centuries. The subway system had similar ways to stop floodings as this one, with emergency sealing doors and the metro operated for a while. Luckily, the authorities decided to shut it down. Pretty much last minute, because the system failed to contain the flood and large portions of the system were flooded, in places only few minutes after the last passengers left the stations. The flood had took lifes, but nobody got hurt in the metro and the operator even managed to get almost all trains to safety in higher elevated stations. Only one train remained in the Florenc metro station and that one was destroyed. If the authorities did not stop the operating of the mtro, something very similar to this could have happened.
It's easy to say that with hindsight. All we can do is learn from situations, they did what they thought was right at the time... im just thankful everyone survived
@@mattb6646 "It's easy to say that in hindsight" I wasn't using hindsight... In fact, if you read: "Even if line 5 was never submerged, shutting it down would have been the right thing to do." ... You would see that i suggested shutting the line down even if nothing would happen. That's thinking AHEAD, not behind.
I live in London, and I dread to think if the Deep tube Underground lines would flood. Cant imagine anyone will be able to rescue passengers in 200 year old tunnel designs. Police and rescue workers would takes 5 hours to get ONE station.
There are huge watertight gates at the ends of station tunnels in places on the deep Tube. As London lies in a giant basin, some flood defences have been factored in. I think there are also emergency spiral staircases up the ventshafts. In the Second World War, a bombing did cause a flood - I think about 60 people died. Thankfully no other floods.
Easy to miss The police taking 5 hours part is true, but remember ww2 and the ways flooding was dealt with. Go to any northern line station and you'll see old flood barriers on the entrances, not to mention we live in a country that floods quite a bit, so there has to be stuff in place for when stuff really goes tits up, as the underground is kind of a huge backbone of trade and getting to work
@@crazyleyland5106 Have you seen those spiral staircases? I've had to use them before cuz the elevators were out. They're MASSIVE, like 10 stories of rickety uneven steps. In some places it's 16 stories deep, 67 meters, especially along the Northern line. Narrow, too. In an emergency, I don't think they'd be very useful. Most people these days are incredibly out of shape and would not be able to make the climb. People would collapse, and then there'd be blockages and crushes. Best case scenario would be the ones causing the holdup would simply get trampled. Worst case is that no one gets through, and then, well....
@@retrosadmost people don’t notice stuff like this. You’re making it sound like the person’s an idiot for not knowing something so trivial. Also, fix your tone please, it comes across rude.
Fact: The Great Blizzard of 1888 caused numerous electrical disruptions and fires that the City of New York decided to move electrical cables and train operations underground in prevention of another catastrophe.
@@RadicalKattastrophe at least during Sandy, the entire transportation network was shutdown and many of the most impacted stations were in areas that had evacuated.
It's weird to think that we americans knew about this when it came to Hurricane Sandy, Irene, and Francis in 2004, 2011, and 2012 respectively. And yet, China didn't bother with it because the citizens would panic??? I would rather have the citizens panic then to not be told of what the heck is happening outside and be taken by surprise.
@@SuperFlashDriverto be fair (a bit) in china there are often monsums and they should actually be prepared for it but in this case I think the water rised in less than an hour
@@foggyfrogy Hmmm....I have a feeling China didn't expect their subways to be filled up that quick since they were made for small storms, not big monsoons like this one.
was here in zhengzhou, but i was on line 4 instead of line 5, really well researched video thanks for talking about it, any questions you can ask me, i am a local
That is so extremely scary! 😭 It must be so mentally and physically exhausting to think for so many hours that you were going to either suffocate or drown. Glad most people got out.
I wonder if they ever figured out what triggered the emergency breaking system the first time and why the driver couldn't override it to go in reverse later?
As water conducts electricity, obviously there's sensors & circuit-breakers in place to prevent the power shorting or causing permanent damage to equipment, as well as protecting people from electrocution!
Not to make light, but this is nothing compared to recent flooding incidents in China. An underwater tunnel 5km long (*at least several klicks) , with bumper to bumper traffic, completely flooded in a matter of minutes...and China reported something like 5 deaths... Based on math alone, up to or over 5k people would havbe been in that tunnel.
Im glad I hadn't seen this when BART had a pitch black power outage right under San Francisco Bay after the 1989 earthquake. Longest 5 minutes of my life.
@LouisChang-le7xo I was supposed to be on the 880 deck that collapsed coming back from Napa that day, but changed my schedule to watch the world series. I don't even like baseball. Eerie.
This is literally my worst fear since I have Thalassophobia. If there is a heavy rainstorm coming, there is no way I am going anywhere at all. I’ll be at home with my family.
We should trust and listen the meteorologists, here in monterrey mexico we had a alert for severe thunderstorms,but most of the rain or storms are outside of the city... so the people didnt take precautions,even the politics... well, that day in a political event a downbrust in less than 20min occured and the winds of 80 miles destroyed a provisional stage,killing 9 and 200 needed medical atention,this happened 4 days ago
I read about that, but it was just reported as the stage collapsing over here in Europe, no mention of the weather. Sounds like, they were lucky, it wasnt much worse ☹
@@dfuher968 downbrusts in Monterrey are rare, and when they ocurred they form outside of the city,this storm was formed between 2 large mountains( sierra madre montains and las mitras with altitudes up to 2km ) from west to east,and like a tunnel effect, the winds pick up speed up to 120km/h, crossing across the valley, most of santa catarina and san pedro municipalities suffers power outages and lost of water for days, and the accident itself,that day was sunny, 41c of temperature, and no winds
Here in the US, we get severe weather a lot this time of year. We were in a level 4 out of 5 risk of severe weather on Sunday. My husband and I always take the alert seriously, especially when made days in advance. And Sunday was just as bad as they predicted, we had a tornado touchdown within 25 miles of us, and we even saw the rotating funnel cloud that eventually produced the tornado.
Here in the US, we get severe weather a lot this time of year. We were in a level 4 out of 5 risk of severe weather on Sunday. My husband and I always take the alert seriously, especially when made days in advance. And Sunday was just as bad as they predicted, we had a tornado touchdown within 25 miles of us, and we even saw the rotating funnel cloud that eventually produced the tornado.
This is a good example of the cultural difference between East Asia and many western nations. In East Asia, causing a panic or inconveniencing people when there is no reason to is to be avoided at all costs. So, they err on the side of keeping things normal. But the western viewpoint tends to be life is more important than alarming and inconveniencing the public. So, we err on the side of safety. For example New York City announced and shut down the subway ahead of Irene and Sandy due to the very real risk of catastrophic flooding. It was a major decision that had far reaching consequences. But when the tracks flooded during Sandy, it proved it was the right call to prevent further loss of life.
What a blanket statement of East Asian culture... have you heard of Boeing???? Two aircraft down with hundreds dead, multiple manufacturing defects, and two whistleblowers dead.
This isn’t really a cultural difference though. It’s just authorities ignoring warnings and negligence which are common in both east and the west side of the world.
@@anythinggoes4881 It completely is a cultural difference, inconveniencing someone in places like Japan, Korea, China and Vietnam without a cast iron reason is practically taboo, if they had cancelled the trains and that wall had not collapsed then lots of people in government would have been forced to resign.
The passengers that left the train were walking towards Shakoulu Station were the flood was approaching from and then they returned to the train. Wouldn't it be possible if they went to Haitansi Station instead in the first place? The illustration makes it seem like they were closer to it too. What a scary situation. Luckily they were saved.
@@robertbalazslorincz8218 you could, but I feel like that's trying to solve a problem that only exists because you're ignoring a much bigger issue. If you're in the middle of a massive flood, stay out of the subterranean tunnels, same as you wouldn't put person on the spillway of a dam as the reservoir is reaching its limit.
In a underground situation id say going towards the sorce of flooding is the better option, since they were going uphill towards the water it makes sense to think its going to gather behind you, you may reach the other station to find it submerged or if it floods enough youll be trapped with water rushing towards you that you cant over power from one direction and the other to be essentially a dead end. Especially since from the image it looked to be flooding the carriages the opposite end to the direction the water was coming from
As a Chinese person, let me say this: With the glaring exception of this case, the safest place to be in a Chinese city during any sort of natural disaster is the subway system. In the vast majority of cases.
@@oxfordcommaisthegreatest They are (normally, again with one glaring exception) very well and intricately designed (see Shanghai), with safety mechanisms that stop water (and bombs) from actually getting in (because millions of people use them). Obviously, we rely on these mechanisms pretty heavily. And if they are poorly managed, as they commonly are in inland Chinese cities like Zhengzhou, you have a recipe for disaster. Here's a rule of thumb for China: The closer your city is to the coast, the more the government cares about it (free trade areas and all). The main reason being that the closer a Chinese city is to the ocean, the lower the likelihood for the CCP is to get away with disasters there. Exceptions are made for Chongqing, Chengdu, and Xi'an, because of their historical significance. I say vast majority of cases, because the Chinese population (especially urban) clusters around the coast.
@@ly8370Stranger jokes, when the video showed how the police actively tried to censor students leaving roses/flowers for the fallen. On The Aniversary of the Tragedy. (Overall)
@@ly8370Anyone who has lived in China for any time, knows he's right. Chinese people are great but the recent communist party is just a party for elitists to get themselves money and power.
my entire family lives in the zhengzhou province... back when this flood happened my relatives had a few close calls while trying to cross the road to get home from work
I don't think people understand how common red rainstorm warnings are in southern China. They happen regularly and yes, they cause major flooding, but this specific flood was much more extreme than usual, so it caught everyone off guard.
@@AllergicFungus Not unfiltered water. Even those nowhere close to human industrial waste disposal has its own dangers such as parasites and bacteria. You can catch dysentery or cholera from drinking unfiltered surface water
Regardless if the walkway was covered or not, why couldn't they still proceed ahead ? Was it like something to do with the water electrocuting you if you fell in?
I love how they were walking slowly while recording with their phones on a super narrow path next to a dangerous water that already took one of them. Recording seems to be more valuable to them than saving their own lives
Honestly I think when a lot of us feel doomed anyway, the least we can do is show others how we went so maybe they won't be as unlucky. The ones recording are already gone in their minds my friend.
Recording in situations like this is often due to a person’s desperate desire to reach out to others when they believe they are about to die. It’s the same phenomenon as the ancient message in a bottle. We all want to contact others when we’re doomed, whether to warn them, tell them what happened to us, or simply comfort ourselves.
a lot of ppl in the comments r blaming the passengers for their ‘stupid’ decision of taking the train, when it is even mentioned in the video how the authorities were neglectful of their citizens. its so easy to judge them when ure not in their situation no?
@princessmiaxo the subways were *supposed* to be shut down and sealed off when flooding occurred, and lines that were at risk of flooding regardless were *supposed* to be shut down beforehand. It's not their fault that their government deemed that interrupting their commute home was worse than risking their lives
@princessmiaxo you didn't listen to what I said The subway, had numerous safety features specifically designed to prevent this, there was minimal reason for them to actually expect this
Wow, this is so terrifying!! Thank you for sharing this story. RIP to the victims of that flood. It's insane how after an hour, emergency services were contacted, when it should have been immediate.
Excellent video. I would love to see one about the Zhengzhou car tunnel flood. It was 4km long with 6 lanes, and tons of cars. There don't seem to be many videos with a lot of information about the aftermath.
We in Russia have a fictional movie about a similar incident called simply 'Metro'. Happily we still had not have such an incident in real life. Shocking.
Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to pull to think going UNDERGROUND is a good idea during a FLOOD. Because gravity does exist. I feel bad for those people but wow, you really can't say you didn't put yourself in that situation.
That is because in China they do not report this. The only reason you are seeing it is because someone posted it on Western media which is a crime in China. Having a VPN on your phone can get you arrested yet you have to have one to get past China internet wall they put on the country.
Thank you for finally covering this toppic. This was supressed by the chinese media for so long and we should finally start talking about the horrible construction standards that are all over china.
This is wild because how were they getting in the subways while the streets were flooded? I'm glad most survived. This could have been extremely devastating.
I'm glad almost everyone survived this nightmare.... although it's crazy to me that they allowed the line to keep running in those conditions, the last place you'd be safe during flooding like this is underground!
@@AllergicFungusWhich is why learning German saved my potential life, as a Chinese person. Even though I don't outright hate my government (which in a few years won't be anyway), well, its faults are clear for anyone to see. For the benefit of my race / ethnic group, we need a better government.
Thank god so many people were able to be saved from that nightmare situation, that being said, it's insane that it was even able to happen. So many deaths could have been avoided if the city authorities & people in charge of the subway, had taken this seriously.
There was also a massive road tunnel packed bumper to bumper at the time of the flood that filled up completely in just a few minutes. Nobody knows exactly how many people died there, but if you take into account the dimensions of the Zhengzhou tunnel and how many vehicles can fit into that space, and then assume 2 occupants per vehicle you get a rough idea, and it's a lot.
Seriously? This is about how everyone survived, and that the only life lost was from a man who didn't just stay and trust that everything was OK and well designed
Dear Lord that’s terrifying. But I don’t care how safe anyone says the structure would be against floodwaters getting in, I’m not going under ground in a F’ing flood! Especially in a crowded little tube underground… just makes me shiver thinking about it.
It's funny how nobody knows the reason why floods get worse - people tear up grass and cut down trees and pave over everything with highways , parking lots, and skyscrapers, leading to the rain having nowhere to fall but entirely on the ground all at once because there is nothing there to absorb any of it and no canopies of treecover to slow its rate of fall.
What you saw is the classic pattern of how authoritarian countries respond to disasters like this: 1) There has to be a scapegoat for the authorities to make a big show of punishing, usually for their own failures. 2) The authorities then play a game of hot potato to avoid being that scapegoat. This they will do at the expense of EVERYTHING else, up to and including rescuing people. Because: 3) Life in authoritarian countries is very, very cheap. The only exception to that is the Leader. Everyone else is expendable. And the PRC is nothing if not an authoritarian country. Been that way, AFAIK, for its entire history. And with Maoism resulting in a famine that killed 50+ million people, what's a dozen or so subway passengers compared with one's career and especially one's freedom?
There's one thing I'm proud to say as an American. If an emergency like this happens and we get through to them once we tell them were we are. They are definitely coming to get us. That's for sure. Our 1st responders are second to none.
this is expected to happen a lot in that nation and nowhere near the worst disaster underground. a short time ago a tunnel underground in or around a city was packed with about 5000 people in three lines of vehicles and the traffic was mostly stuck. the water enters and almost nobody survived.
@SlyWithMee I am just saying that it is possible that it was far worse than reported and you can't trust people who would keep quiet about casualty numbers just to save face. do some tunnel math yourself instead of complaining.
the most rain central park has gotten was 8 inches in 24 hours we are 24 times away from the rainfall that happened there and mta would definitely not keep water around a retaining wall not meant for water
I had never heard of this. Oh god what a horrible way to die! Thank you to the rescue teams. I live in Florida, when the meteorologists say there’s a storm WE BELIEVE them!! Times are changing and they are changing so fast. Weather is getting worse and worse for humans and animals alike. As humans we are lucky to have people whose jobs it is to warn us and try to keep us all safe. Just because something is working doesn’t mean it is safe. It’s impossible to just not go to work for most people. The governments of all our country’s need to wake up and realize it’s getting bad and a lot needs to be done if we all want to stay safe!! Money is all that people seem to care about more needs to be done for our safety!! R.I.P. to all those lost. Sending love and support to all the family’s whom lost a loved one. Healing and hugs to all those hurt or now living with PTSD. 😢💙🩷🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️🩵
I wonder if I'd waited or busted the window away from where the waters was coming and tried to swim for it. Certainly if it came to running out of air I'd make break for it. Discussion: You're in this situation, what would you do and when would you do it?
Same. At the point where suffocation/drowning was definite versus maybe, I would try to swim for it as I am a good swimmer, but can definitely not breathe underwater!
@MostlyPe you wouldn't have survived in that water in was a mixture of rain water and sewer water. The water was moving very fast, and you drowned immediately. You are stupid to even suggest that.
I'd swim. I'm a reasonably good swimmer. Do keep in mind though? Unless you have a waterproof flashlight, you're going to be swimming in the dark with a bunch of terrified rats trying to do the same thing as yourself.
If they got out onto the walkway, I assume the driver had managed to open a door for em or something, those doors don't just open manually. Had they attempted to try and get out immediately as soon as they saw the water rising, this whole event could possibly have been avoided.
Considering all the problems and faults it really is amazing that they saved everyone except that poor man that slipped off the walkway...so I commented before video was completely over there were more people lost sadly still glad as many got as there were but same as here in US we often see people being harmed or killed because our government and companies prioritize money over human life. Love to those in China hurt by this and just in general
@@mariawhite7337 i tried to reply to you earlier but it didn't save idk my phone is like 5 years old or so and been put through its paces lol its having many issues. Anyway ya I had commented before the video ended so then I heard there was more loss. Its so sad and unfortunate. Thank you for the heads up tho 👍
If you think only 302 people died during this I've got a bridge to sell you.. One of the last clips was of all the cars that washed out of a tunnel.. there was thousands of cars in that tunnel, say on average there's 2 people in each car.... yeah.. 302....
You could not pay me any amount of money to get in an underground subway during some of the worst flooding in decades
Yeah real smooth brain idea to get in an underground tube during the worst flooding in decades. It's about as dumb as waiting in the tube to drown
@@TehPwnerer not always rush decisions save lives, on this channel was the video "The Kaprun Alpine Railway Disaster 2000", a railway train was on fire and many people chose to evacuate to the top and choked the smoke, a small percentage of people went down and was survived
This is in a country that believes communism actually works. Brains aren't in high demand there. Their power grid is almost as bad as India.
You should be ok there are safety measures in place
I thought Asian people were supposed to be smart ?
imagine the only way to seek help was post it on social media, and then your post got censored......
Thats China for you...
China is only a testing ground for the US@@XBLnerd1
LMAO I shouldn’t be laughing… but you know….
@@XBLnerd1as if American social media hasn't and doesn't do the same thing with this kind of content. cool it with the sinophobia, jackass
keep drinking that propaganda juice like a good idiot 😊
The outward opening doors are probably what helped save them. The rush of water from the doors collapsing would have led to a higher loss of life.
This comment gave me Rollercoaster Tycoon sadist vibes
@@nicholaslogan6840bro 😂
True. The water pressure was keeping the doors closed and sealed.
There are several types of door- the outwards plug door, the external sliding door and the pocket door. External sliding doors and pocket doors do not seal as well a plug doors therefore they'd be more prone to leaking and allowing water into the passenger cabin.
@@williamhuang8309ive seen some subways with external sliding, and in the sides there are huge holes where water can come in. also whats a pocket door? is it when the door emerges from inside the wall? and a plug door would be when it goes forward and then opens presumably
The subway would be the LAST place id go with the city flood.
Same here.
if you ride a subway in america you should reconsider your life
The thing is tho, this ain’t america, so you’d probably actually trust it as the only place for shelter, as otherwise you had to stay above ground and also get drowned
@@vans617why?
@@Kevbot6000 NY subway is a disaster itself. People getting pushed and killed regularly while authorities ignore it.
I'm glad most of the people inside the train lived to tell what happened. Imagine, being trapped in a flooded tunnel for four fucking hours with oxygen levels and body temperature quickly decreasing...holy fuck.
@phantagirlable That is unfortunately very typical to China, trying to cover things up instead of dealing with the problem directly.
@phantagirlablethats wild but totally believable. I’m not gunna say things like that happen in the states but ruby ridge and waco make you wonder
Imagine being stuck in a flooding train for more then like 12 hours, corpses floating around, you scared for your life and you start feeling sleepy and everything hurts.
If you lay down flowers to mourn, the government removes them.
You guys do know that there have been multiple environmental projects in China for decades right?
Especially China's Green Wall project that has already planted over a million trees around or near the Gobi desert.
I think the problem really is allowing line 5 to operate under such obviously extreme conditions.
For safety reasons, they should have just said "we'd better not".
Yes, tens of thousands of people used the subway when everything else failed. But it wouldn't be the end of the world if they had to stay at their workplace or whatever until the storm floods subsided.
Even if line 5 was never submerged, shutting it down would have been the right thing to do.
I got reminded of the 2002 flooding of Prague. It was the biggest flood to hit Prague in centuries. The subway system had similar ways to stop floodings as this one, with emergency sealing doors and the metro operated for a while. Luckily, the authorities decided to shut it down. Pretty much last minute, because the system failed to contain the flood and large portions of the system were flooded, in places only few minutes after the last passengers left the stations. The flood had took lifes, but nobody got hurt in the metro and the operator even managed to get almost all trains to safety in higher elevated stations. Only one train remained in the Florenc metro station and that one was destroyed. If the authorities did not stop the operating of the mtro, something very similar to this could have happened.
It's easy to say that with hindsight. All we can do is learn from situations, they did what they thought was right at the time... im just thankful everyone survived
@@mattb6646 "It's easy to say that in hindsight"
I wasn't using hindsight...
In fact, if you read: "Even if line 5 was never submerged, shutting it down would have been the right thing to do."
... You would see that i suggested shutting the line down even if nothing would happen. That's thinking AHEAD, not behind.
It's best to avoid doing anything underground during a record flood.
You expect the good little worker ants in China to understand that? All common sense has been pushed out of them, only left with trust for the Party.
Avoid things on the ground too.
Of all people, they should have know better their own country's infamous tofu dreg construction
I love how the thumbnail shows people trying to breath while one of them just stands there like its something they go through on a daily basis
Lol
Just another day in tofu dreg China.
That’s the the person that doesn’t really want to live but they don’t necessarily want to die
I live in London, and I dread to think if the Deep tube Underground lines would flood. Cant imagine anyone will be able to rescue passengers in 200 year old tunnel designs. Police and rescue workers would takes 5 hours to get ONE station.
There are huge watertight gates at the ends of station tunnels in places on the deep Tube. As London lies in a giant basin, some flood defences have been factored in. I think there are also emergency spiral staircases up the ventshafts. In the Second World War, a bombing did cause a flood - I think about 60 people died. Thankfully no other floods.
Easy to miss
The police taking 5 hours part is true, but remember ww2 and the ways flooding was dealt with. Go to any northern line station and you'll see old flood barriers on the entrances, not to mention we live in a country that floods quite a bit, so there has to be stuff in place for when stuff really goes tits up, as the underground is kind of a huge backbone of trade and getting to work
@@retrosad unnecessarily condescending comment
@@crazyleyland5106 Have you seen those spiral staircases? I've had to use them before cuz the elevators were out. They're MASSIVE, like 10 stories of rickety uneven steps. In some places it's 16 stories deep, 67 meters, especially along the Northern line. Narrow, too. In an emergency, I don't think they'd be very useful. Most people these days are incredibly out of shape and would not be able to make the climb. People would collapse, and then there'd be blockages and crushes.
Best case scenario would be the ones causing the holdup would simply get trampled. Worst case is that no one gets through, and then, well....
@@retrosadmost people don’t notice stuff like this. You’re making it sound like the person’s an idiot for not knowing something so trivial.
Also, fix your tone please, it comes across rude.
yeah even it it was built perfectly i wouldnt be anywhere near an underground train station if theres flooding in the area
I don't get why people just can't stay at home for a day.
@@maxpro751Elites in all societies will have peoples heads if they miss out on profits even for just a day
@@maxpro751 For work, Chinese companies are basically slave-drivers
It's not even safe at home, if you know China's infamous tofu dreg constructions
@@maxpro751 at work because the government is stupid and didn't call it an off day
Fact: The Great Blizzard of 1888 caused numerous electrical disruptions and fires that the City of New York decided to move electrical cables and train operations underground in prevention of another catastrophe.
Then those got Flooded out by a Hurricane....
@@RadicalKattastrophe
a flooded tunnel is much better than your entire city needing to be rewired after a bad blizzard.
@@RadicalKattastrophe you can just close the trains when there is a risk of flash flood. we have the technology.
@@I_am_a_cat_the companies with the city contract must’ve looked like that dude in the yellow jacket hand rubbing meme
@@RadicalKattastrophe at least during Sandy, the entire transportation network was shutdown and many of the most impacted stations were in areas that had evacuated.
I can't imagine waiting an hour to tell someone about a flooding subway car with people trapped inside
Why did people not follow the first conductor who led people out before it got really bad.
@@AnnaLenaHallthey were following but the walkway became impossible to walk on due to the flooding.
"they were unaware" hell naw
Moral of the story: Close all train lines that are expected to be affected by severe floods, no exceptions.
It's weird to think that we americans knew about this when it came to Hurricane Sandy, Irene, and Francis in 2004, 2011, and 2012 respectively. And yet, China didn't bother with it because the citizens would panic??? I would rather have the citizens panic then to not be told of what the heck is happening outside and be taken by surprise.
@@SuperFlashDriverto be fair (a bit) in china there are often monsums and they should actually be prepared for it but in this case I think the water rised in less than an hour
@@foggyfrogy Hmmm....I have a feeling China didn't expect their subways to be filled up that quick since they were made for small storms, not big monsoons like this one.
If they expected any train lines to be affected by floods don't you think they would have done exactly that? Try watching the video before commenting.
@@krashd Yet for some reason, they didn't.
was here in zhengzhou, but i was on line 4 instead of line 5, really well researched video thanks for talking about it, any questions you can ask me, i am a local
How many people died according to the local government?
@@JCO2002ever heard of a vpn
@@mm-ln9sw Yes, I use one with my Linux desktop and Starlink. That person doing it in China? No.
Lol this person in this comment is funny. I studied in China as a foreign student. VPN had me on UA-cam all day every day
Knowing that something like this can re-occur and with little change been made, are you fearful or maybe anxious to ride the subway these days?
One one hand, that is unbelievably terrifying... On the other hand, I would never consider going UNDERGROUND during a flood.
I think they didn’t have a choice. They just wanted to go home.
I guess the skytrain in van isn't such a dumb idea after all... Tho it does go underground a few times too
@@hannahkoa8950Catch an Uber.
"a little water never hurt anyone"
"yeah... but a lot can kill you"
Are you sure? Like positively sure?
@@AllergicFungus Wtf???
It's from Jumanji I believe. The quote. When the house floods.
@@BrianaCunningham Are you sure though?
@@AllergicFungus yeah I've watched it so many times as a kid I'm pretty sure yes.
That is so extremely scary! 😭 It must be so mentally and physically exhausting to think for so many hours that you were going to either suffocate or drown. Glad most people got out.
Imagine getting of at H station and heading home to your apartment.
Unaware you almost died.
A subway is the last place I would go during a flooding... There is no way I am going underground if there is a flood at the surface!
True,best place to go is at an airport or a high but safe place
True,best place to go is at an airport or a high but safe place
I wonder if they ever figured out what triggered the emergency breaking system the first time and why the driver couldn't override it to go in reverse later?
As water conducts electricity, obviously there's sensors & circuit-breakers in place to prevent the power shorting or causing permanent damage to equipment, as well as protecting people from electrocution!
@@stevie-ray2020 it probably interfered with the signalling system, but the train driver should have been able to override it
Not to make light, but this is nothing compared to recent flooding incidents in China. An underwater tunnel 5km long (*at least several klicks) , with bumper to bumper traffic, completely flooded in a matter of minutes...and China reported something like 5 deaths...
Based on math alone, up to or over 5k people would havbe been in that tunnel.
Even arrested grieving families asking about their missing relatives, and destroying any flowers or memorials for the victims. It's insane.
@@Oleandra-13 The shite you people will believe at face value.
Im glad I hadn't seen this when BART had a pitch black power outage right under San Francisco Bay after the 1989 earthquake. Longest 5 minutes of my life.
at least you werent on the bay bridge that collapsed. a bus almost went down with it and one car actually did
@LouisChang-le7xo I was supposed to be on the 880 deck that collapsed coming back from Napa that day, but changed my schedule to watch the world series. I don't even like baseball. Eerie.
Nearly 8 inches of rain in an hour... That's crazy. Think that's the highest since the 1950s.
This is literally my worst fear since I have Thalassophobia. If there is a heavy rainstorm coming, there is no way I am going anywhere at all. I’ll be at home with my family.
We should trust and listen the meteorologists, here in monterrey mexico we had a alert for severe thunderstorms,but most of the rain or storms are outside of the city... so the people didnt take precautions,even the politics... well, that day in a political event a downbrust in less than 20min occured and the winds of 80 miles destroyed a provisional stage,killing 9 and 200 needed medical atention,this happened 4 days ago
I read about that, but it was just reported as the stage collapsing over here in Europe, no mention of the weather. Sounds like, they were lucky, it wasnt much worse ☹
@@dfuher968 downbrusts in Monterrey are rare, and when they ocurred they form outside of the city,this storm was formed between 2 large mountains( sierra madre montains and las mitras with altitudes up to 2km ) from west to east,and like a tunnel effect, the winds pick up speed up to 120km/h, crossing across the valley, most of santa catarina and san pedro municipalities suffers power outages and lost of water for days, and the accident itself,that day was sunny, 41c of temperature, and no winds
that moment when the weather man is the most trustworthy person in the news.
Here in the US, we get severe weather a lot this time of year. We were in a level 4 out of 5 risk of severe weather on Sunday. My husband and I always take the alert seriously, especially when made days in advance. And Sunday was just as bad as they predicted, we had a tornado touchdown within 25 miles of us, and we even saw the rotating funnel cloud that eventually produced the tornado.
Here in the US, we get severe weather a lot this time of year. We were in a level 4 out of 5 risk of severe weather on Sunday. My husband and I always take the alert seriously, especially when made days in advance. And Sunday was just as bad as they predicted, we had a tornado touchdown within 25 miles of us, and we even saw the rotating funnel cloud that eventually produced the tornado.
Thank you for covering this case.
This is a good example of the cultural difference between East Asia and many western nations.
In East Asia, causing a panic or inconveniencing people when there is no reason to is to be avoided at all costs. So, they err on the side of keeping things normal. But the western viewpoint tends to be life is more important than alarming and inconveniencing the public. So, we err on the side of safety.
For example New York City announced and shut down the subway ahead of Irene and Sandy due to the very real risk of catastrophic flooding. It was a major decision that had far reaching consequences. But when the tracks flooded during Sandy, it proved it was the right call to prevent further loss of life.
I think there are a plethora of examples of Western authorities failing to take proper precautions or warning the public
What a blanket statement of East Asian culture... have you heard of Boeing???? Two aircraft down with hundreds dead, multiple manufacturing defects, and two whistleblowers dead.
This isn’t really a cultural difference though. It’s just authorities ignoring warnings and negligence which are common in both east and the west side of the world.
@@anythinggoes4881 It completely is a cultural difference, inconveniencing someone in places like Japan, Korea, China and Vietnam without a cast iron reason is practically taboo, if they had cancelled the trains and that wall had not collapsed then lots of people in government would have been forced to resign.
I used to ride the metro into work. I can imagine the desperation of water rising 😞
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The passengers that left the train were walking towards Shakoulu Station were the flood was approaching from and then they returned to the train. Wouldn't it be possible if they went to Haitansi Station instead in the first place? The illustration makes it seem like they were closer to it too. What a scary situation. Luckily they were saved.
I'm just guessing here, but the water going around the subway may have pushed flowing water up on the walkway further down, making it impassable.
Perhaps it would be worth it to carry sandbags on the trains if that happens so they can at least divert the water
@@robertbalazslorincz8218 you could, but I feel like that's trying to solve a problem that only exists because you're ignoring a much bigger issue. If you're in the middle of a massive flood, stay out of the subterranean tunnels, same as you wouldn't put person on the spillway of a dam as the reservoir is reaching its limit.
In a underground situation id say going towards the sorce of flooding is the better option, since they were going uphill towards the water it makes sense to think its going to gather behind you, you may reach the other station to find it submerged or if it floods enough youll be trapped with water rushing towards you that you cant over power from one direction and the other to be essentially a dead end. Especially since from the image it looked to be flooding the carriages the opposite end to the direction the water was coming from
Why would anyone in their right mind go underground when there's a flood, let alone the worst flood they've had in years?
As a Chinese person, let me say this:
With the glaring exception of this case, the safest place to be in a Chinese city during any sort of natural disaster is the subway system. In the vast majority of cases.
@@samuelcheung4799 Why is that? Genuine question, I'm curious
@@oxfordcommaisthegreatest They are (normally, again with one glaring exception) very well and intricately designed (see Shanghai), with safety mechanisms that stop water (and bombs) from actually getting in (because millions of people use them). Obviously, we rely on these mechanisms pretty heavily. And if they are poorly managed, as they commonly are in inland Chinese cities like Zhengzhou, you have a recipe for disaster.
Here's a rule of thumb for China: The closer your city is to the coast, the more the government cares about it (free trade areas and all). The main reason being that the closer a Chinese city is to the ocean, the lower the likelihood for the CCP is to get away with disasters there. Exceptions are made for Chongqing, Chengdu, and Xi'an, because of their historical significance.
I say vast majority of cases, because the Chinese population (especially urban) clusters around the coast.
@@samuelcheung4799 Thank you for the detailed reply, that's very interesting.
When the CCP says 302 confirmed dead, you can safely add a 0 to that number and double it.
Such a natural skeptical person. I wonder where you are heading in your life. XD
@@ly8370Stranger jokes, when the video showed how the police actively tried to censor students leaving roses/flowers for the fallen.
On The Aniversary of the Tragedy.
(Overall)
@@ly8370Anyone who has lived in China for any time, knows he's right. Chinese people are great but the recent communist party is just a party for elitists to get themselves money and power.
I doubt there were 3000 people on a subway train. That's physically impossible based on the cell phone videos shown of the inside of the train.
@@dr.woozie7500 302 died because of the flood not in the train idiot
my entire family lives in the zhengzhou province... back when this flood happened my relatives had a few close calls while trying to cross the road to get home from work
I don't think people understand how common red rainstorm warnings are in southern China. They happen regularly and yes, they cause major flooding, but this specific flood was much more extreme than usual, so it caught everyone off guard.
That kind of water will ruin anybodys day
Or their life.
Water is healthy for you though.
@@AllergicFungus Not unfiltered water. Even those nowhere close to human industrial waste disposal has its own dangers such as parasites and bacteria. You can catch dysentery or cholera from drinking unfiltered surface water
@@Temporal94 what is this, The Oregon Trail game?
You can only die of dysentery in that game because it's not a real thing.
/s
Not a fish...
watching the water rising from ankle to there neck is almost felt like i witness they drowning, it make me remember sewol ferry incident
It was such a miracle that other sectors of the safety measures worked , the doors and windows came in clutch and saved all those inside
Emergency Stop System: Yo aint getting out of here
Lol
Literally the subway Emergency stop system when they can just reverse: i am sorry we cannot do that.
the emptyness Behind the subway: y u dum?
Your voice is actually made for this kind of content its crazy.
Yeah, it's almost like I've heard the same voice on other UA-cam channels, a lot of people must like it too
Regardless if the walkway was covered or not, why couldn't they still proceed ahead ? Was it like something to do with the water electrocuting you if you fell in?
electrocution risk or not, fall in and you're gone.. rushing water's pretty powerful and it wouldn't matter how good a swimmer you are..
remember he mentioned two people fell and were swept away
I love how they were walking slowly while recording with their phones on a super narrow path next to a dangerous water that already took one of them. Recording seems to be more valuable to them than saving their own lives
Honestly I think when a lot of us feel doomed anyway, the least we can do is show others how we went so maybe they won't be as unlucky. The ones recording are already gone in their minds my friend.
Focusing on the phone, not common sense thinking
@@freedomishavingachoice3020exactly, I would record aswell
Recording in situations like this is often due to a person’s desperate desire to reach out to others when they believe they are about to die.
It’s the same phenomenon as the ancient message in a bottle. We all want to contact others when we’re doomed, whether to warn them, tell them what happened to us, or simply comfort ourselves.
Thank you very well told.
a lot of ppl in the comments r blaming the passengers for their ‘stupid’ decision of taking the train, when it is even mentioned in the video how the authorities were neglectful of their citizens. its so easy to judge them when ure not in their situation no?
@princessmiaxo the subways were *supposed* to be shut down and sealed off when flooding occurred, and lines that were at risk of flooding regardless were *supposed* to be shut down beforehand.
It's not their fault that their government deemed that interrupting their commute home was worse than risking their lives
@princessmiaxo you didn't listen to what I said
The subway, had numerous safety features specifically designed to prevent this, there was minimal reason for them to actually expect this
Wow, this is so terrifying!! Thank you for sharing this story. RIP to the victims of that flood. It's insane how after an hour, emergency services were contacted, when it should have been immediate.
Excellent video. I would love to see one about the Zhengzhou car tunnel flood. It was 4km long with 6 lanes, and tons of cars. There don't seem to be many videos with a lot of information about the aftermath.
Because a lot of people died and the CCP wants to hide that they lost hundreds of people due to government incompetence?
my immediate thought! another channel did the math and it was incredible the life lost. China tryed to say only a fraction of people died. so chilling
Because the red Chinese try to hide anything like these to save face
Informative. Extremely good. Excellent channel. Live long and prosper.😇🖖
I continue to read the title and think "that's a large restaurant" every time i see it.
Subway during a flood? Yeah, I’m asking the boss if I can stay at the office instead.
We in Russia have a fictional movie about a similar incident called simply 'Metro'. Happily we still had not have such an incident in real life. Shocking.
You definitely haven't heard of St. Petersburg's Violet line floodings...
@@智春夏木 Have heard, but it was not a ring line
Oh, we are so sorry - no Denzel Washington to save the day? 😄
Woo I am commentator number 999! Man this channel is really good, I came across the topic of Texas freeze and just kept watching video after video.
And I am 1,000 🤣
How is there only 11 people working for emergency calls for such a big city? 🤦♂️
Because China.
@@Sidthedentist With huge population and low wages?
second world economy, yet people are living in absolute poverty, that's communism
@@timr.2257 no wages is cheaper than low wages
6:00 "they had to walk slowly minding each step"
mf is recording this on his phone!!!! not minding anything
They got extremely lucky!
I would have bought a lottery ticket that same day.
Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to pull to think going UNDERGROUND is a good idea during a FLOOD. Because gravity does exist. I feel bad for those people but wow, you really can't say you didn't put yourself in that situation.
Being trapped in any space is an unimaginable way to die...🇿🇦
I had genuine tears of relief in my eyes when I got to the part about them being rescued.
9:50 Anxiety was up, then I literally cried I thought they were gonna die
Something similar was close to happening in Prague 2002, however, they managed to close the metro before people got hurt.
And NO mention of this in ANY mainstream news media .
That is because in China they do not report this. The only reason you are seeing it is because someone posted it on Western media which is a crime in China. Having a VPN on your phone can get you arrested yet you have to have one to get past China internet wall they put on the country.
There were plenty of mentions of this in the media in the USA, but you paid no attention since it didn't interest you.
Thank you for finally covering this toppic. This was supressed by the chinese media for so long and we should finally start talking about the horrible construction standards that are all over china.
Thank you for this, I always wondered if the people in the train lived. Glas they were rescued
my country town brain really showed here. my first thought was “why would there be a sandwich shop underwater” 😭
SpongeBob has gotta eat
@@tknightbirdfr i hope there is the krusty krab too
If Dark Records' narrator was on a submerged train with me I think it would help me remain calm
This is wild because how were they getting in the subways while the streets were flooded? I'm glad most survived. This could have been extremely devastating.
I am speechless. This was a nightmare.
Man that last bit is so sad, can't even mourn it. What a shit hole.
That’s stupid to go back you need to get out.
I'm glad almost everyone survived this nightmare.... although it's crazy to me that they allowed the line to keep running in those conditions, the last place you'd be safe during flooding like this is underground!
I'm sorry did you say 11 emergency call operators for a city of 10 million people? There's no way that's possible.
I literally screamed "ELEVEN?? ELEVEN??" at the screen! And I say this as someone who used to work at a call centre.
lol. You're surprised? You have too high of expectations for China 🤣
lol this is china ur talking about tofu dreg, censorship, corruption and their lack of safety is normal in china
@@AllergicFungusWhich is why learning German saved my potential life, as a Chinese person. Even though I don't outright hate my government (which in a few years won't be anyway), well, its faults are clear for anyone to see.
For the benefit of my race / ethnic group, we need a better government.
@samuelcheung4799And how learning German helped anything?
I felt out of breath watching this uggghhh I can’t even imagine!!!!
Very good video! I however found the typing effect very unpleasant personally. This is just my opinion of course and nothing more.
Wow Thank You ❤
If you’re going underground with that much rain that’s on you!
Thank god so many people were able to be saved from that nightmare situation, that being said, it's insane that it was even able to happen. So many deaths could have been avoided if the city authorities & people in charge of the subway, had taken this seriously.
There was also a massive road tunnel packed bumper to bumper at the time of the flood that filled up completely in just a few minutes. Nobody knows exactly how many people died there, but if you take into account the dimensions of the Zhengzhou tunnel and how many vehicles can fit into that space, and then assume 2 occupants per vehicle you get a rough idea, and it's a lot.
Wow, that is nightmare fuel. Glad all of them got out safely
I'm surprised the CCP even let this event get out
China is not as tough and clever as they say they are
That's what I was thinking 😂 we're probably on a watch list after this comment.
Its widely known. _China Insights, China Observer, China Uncensored and China Insider with David Zhang_ all reported on this.
I'm surprised UA-cam didn't delete your comment.
Seriously? This is about how everyone survived, and that the only life lost was from a man who didn't just stay and trust that everything was OK and well designed
Dear Lord that’s terrifying. But I don’t care how safe anyone says the structure would be against floodwaters getting in, I’m not going under ground in a F’ing flood! Especially in a crowded little tube underground… just makes me shiver thinking about it.
safety laws and rules are written in blood.
It's funny how nobody knows the reason why floods get worse - people tear up grass and cut down trees and pave over everything with highways , parking lots, and skyscrapers, leading to the rain having nowhere to fall but entirely on the ground all at once because there is nothing there to absorb any of it and no canopies of treecover to slow its rate of fall.
That baby though, the baby was chill, like nothing happened
The real question is how anyone in their right mind would even consider entering the subway during an unprecedented flood?
What you saw is the classic pattern of how authoritarian countries respond to disasters like this:
1) There has to be a scapegoat for the authorities to make a big show of punishing, usually for their own failures.
2) The authorities then play a game of hot potato to avoid being that scapegoat. This they will do at the expense of EVERYTHING else, up to and including rescuing people. Because:
3) Life in authoritarian countries is very, very cheap. The only exception to that is the Leader. Everyone else is expendable.
And the PRC is nothing if not an authoritarian country. Been that way, AFAIK, for its entire history. And with Maoism resulting in a famine that killed 50+ million people, what's a dozen or so subway passengers compared with one's career and especially one's freedom?
Most important during a situation where your life is in danger and during evacuation: telephoning, filming, being busy with your mobile....
There's one thing I'm proud to say as an American. If an emergency like this happens and we get through to them once we tell them were we are. They are definitely coming to get us. That's for sure. Our 1st responders are second to none.
this is expected to happen a lot in that nation and nowhere near the worst disaster underground.
a short time ago a tunnel underground in or around a city was packed with about 5000 people in three lines of vehicles and the traffic was mostly stuck.
the water enters and almost nobody survived.
@SlyWithMee I am just saying that it is possible that it was far worse than reported and you can't trust people who would keep quiet about casualty numbers just to save face.
do some tunnel math yourself instead of complaining.
NYC subways floods every time we get inundated with rain. I never thought about the potential danger … until now
the most rain central park has gotten was 8 inches in 24 hours
we are 24 times away from the rainfall that happened there and mta would definitely not keep water around a retaining wall not meant for water
I don't know if it's possible for us to get that much rain from a geographic perspective
I had never heard of this. Oh god what a horrible way to die! Thank you to the rescue teams. I live in Florida, when the meteorologists say there’s a storm WE BELIEVE them!! Times are changing and they are changing so fast. Weather is getting worse and worse for humans and animals alike. As humans we are lucky to have people whose jobs it is to warn us and try to keep us all safe. Just because something is working doesn’t mean it is safe. It’s impossible to just not go to work for most people. The governments of all our country’s need to wake up and realize it’s getting bad and a lot needs to be done if we all want to stay safe!! Money is all that people seem to care about more needs to be done for our safety!! R.I.P. to all those lost. Sending love and support to all the family’s whom lost a loved one. Healing and hugs to all those hurt or now living with PTSD. 😢💙🩷🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️🩵
I wonder if I'd waited or busted the window away from where the waters was coming and tried to swim for it.
Certainly if it came to running out of air I'd make break for it.
Discussion: You're in this situation, what would you do and when would you do it?
I would've busted the window out! No way it's going to be fine when the subway is flooded!
Same. At the point where suffocation/drowning was definite versus maybe, I would try to swim for it as I am a good swimmer, but can definitely not breathe underwater!
@MostlyPe you wouldn't have survived in that water in was a mixture of rain water and sewer water. The water was moving very fast, and you drowned immediately. You are stupid to even suggest that.
all their drainage was fake theres nowhere to run anything below street level is flooded more people had to die not just line 5
I'd swim. I'm a reasonably good swimmer.
Do keep in mind though? Unless you have a waterproof flashlight, you're going to be swimming in the dark with a bunch of terrified rats trying to do the same thing as yourself.
Im glad this had a good ending, thats some terrifying shit. Something straight out of an action movie
14 dead people on the subway, 302 confirmed dead across the city and 50 missing and unaccounted for is a good ending?
I would have kept walking or swimming to the next station. Never get trapped on a train.
Rushing water is deceptively powerful. It would likely be that you would drown
If they got out onto the walkway, I assume the driver had managed to open a door for em or something, those doors don't just open manually. Had they attempted to try and get out immediately as soon as they saw the water rising, this whole event could possibly have been avoided.
The city should add emergency service response team Staff if expecting catastrophic conditions.
Considering all the problems and faults it really is amazing that they saved everyone except that poor man that slipped off the walkway...so I commented before video was completely over there were more people lost sadly still glad as many got as there were but same as here in US we often see people being harmed or killed because our government and companies prioritize money over human life. Love to those in China hurt by this and just in general
They didn't save as many as you think they did.
@@mariawhite7337i made my comment before the video was completely done my mistake
@@mariawhite7337 i tried to reply to you earlier but it didn't save idk my phone is like 5 years old or so and been put through its paces lol its having many issues. Anyway ya I had commented before the video ended so then I heard there was more loss. Its so sad and unfortunate. Thank you for the heads up tho 👍
11 people staffed on the emergency response center during one of the worst natural disasters in the region in recent history? Wow!
nothing a lil bit of galvanized square steel and eco friendly wood veneers cant stop
I find it crazy that during a massive flooding situation there was only 11 staff on emergency call.
Don’t you love it when people don’t believe in Scientists and Meteorologists? 🤦🏻♀️
Your train videos are better because I am a train fanatic.
same。I love trains!
@@Thatonesusguy-pl6wm Hey nice meeting you :).
@@coolmasterztv3088 u too 😃
If you think only 302 people died during this I've got a bridge to sell you..
One of the last clips was of all the cars that washed out of a tunnel.. there was thousands of cars in that tunnel, say on average there's 2 people in each car.... yeah.. 302....
This is also the same reason why SMRT added advanced pumps in their underground metro