Fenrir wasn't a threat to Odin until he was betrayed and chained out of fear. Besides his rapid growth, Fenrir showed no form of hostility towards anyone around him. It wasn't the beast that was the threat. It was the prophecy that created fear that was the threat.
He wasn't. He wanted to fit in with the Asir, as he lived in Asgard and considered it his home, and the Asir was like his family, the only people he'd ever known.
The version I heard at a story telling festival stated that Fenrir was really good at looking innocent, but it slipped for a moment while one of the gods was looking (don't remember which one though).
I think the problems with most of Loke's kids can be explained by their grandfather being kind of an asshole. Which would also explain why Loke turned out the way he did. Oden seriously needs to brush up on his parenting skills.
I agree with you about fenrir, but scientifically, psychopaths are born sociopaths are made, but I love fenrir like I said, I agree, but psychopaths are psychopaths they are unable to feel anything except for self grandiose, “in other words”, power still gets to there head so technically they are a real monster, fenrir is more so, that he got fucked over & all his love & admiration for the gods got twisted into a hatred & disdain for the asir
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The story of Fenrir shows once more that dog's only get aggressive if one mistreats them. So if we learn one thing from Norse Mythology it is: "Be good to your dog or it will devour you during Ragnarok!"
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It is interesting how cause and effect is explored through Loki's children. If the Gods had merely continued to raise Fenrir would he have turned hostile at all? Likewise with the Jörmungandr? Was Ragnarök ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy?
The book series Erik and The Gods talk about the exact same questions in the fourth and final chapter if my memory does not fool me. Very interesting topic.
I think Loki's children gives a lesson of giving a benefit of a doubt and not to judge an individual based on their lineage/ancestor's past. While Fenrir was becoming more wild, I think giving him a collar and allowing him to roam where the chain ended would have been more fair and giving him some sort of authority of said land he reaches. The World Serpent should have had authority of the oceans as a peace treaty. The only one of Loki's children that seemed to receieved the better end of the stick was Hel, since she became Empress of the Underworld.
redheadtiger80 Sleipnir, as far as I know, does not have human-sentience and acts and behaves like a regular horse, the only difference is that he has mystical powers to travel anywhere. He got treated well you can say.
I find fenrir ironic, as he lived among the gods only to be betrayed out of fear for his power, and that in the end is why Odin dies, there own sins befell them, Honestly the Norse gods were kinda jerks, making promises of marriage only to betray, ect ect, sorta jerks.
Edit:Read the replies before correcting me. Loki got mounted by a horse and now Odin rides his grandchild, what a weird family. edit holy heck this got a crapton of upvotes, thanks y'all
Being a devotee to Hela (which is Hel’s Teutonic spelling), I will share some more things about her. She is known to be cruel and greedy, this is only half true about her. Being both living and dead, she is two extremes within one mass. She is by far the most devoted to humans, and is the only goddess who can withstand seeing someone at their lowest point and not flinch. She is compassionate, but she never will sugar coat anyrhing or beat around the bush. Also, despite her being cruel by mocking you or insulting you when you are down, she is really helping you get back up on your own. Lastly, about her apperance and its symbolic meaning. Ultimately, Hela is a mirror; what you project she throws back at you; at first the two sides are balanced. When you interact with her, one side becomes more prevalent than the other.
Brenden Rolls Is the mirror thing from a particular source? I play a game, SMITE, in which you can play as Hel, and her win screen has the two sides of her reflected in a mirror, one above the other. It's really cool to see that it wasn't some random thing added by the devs.
According from a shaman's interaction with her in meditation, he stated when he saw her, she re tflected to him every dark regret along with every little part of him that crippled his self-esteem. He stated to the effect of," She was challenging me to see if I could handled my worst and accept myself, both the good and bad..." Again, she is cruel by putting someone through all the trauma they endured, but she does that to have one get over the incident completely and not regret it. The mirroring reference may hint at that yes, but the most accurate about her character is her darker aspect. The light aspect, is more of a stereotype if that makes sense. All the insults and condescending remarks she makes to her light aspect and others are accurate somewhat on how she interacts with others. If that answered your question.
The part that Fenrir bits off Tyr's arm is a bit off, the deal between Fenrir and Tyr was that Fenrir would try to break free from the rope/chain, but if he could not break free the gods would set him free by taking off the rope/chain, but when the gods saw that Fenrir could ot break it and excape, they let him there to be tied forever (as they thought), so Tyr knew what Fenrir had to do, and Fenrir then, after the Gods did not set him free as their part of the deal, Fenrir bit off Tyr's arm as a compensation, and this was one of Odins' mistake, he made Fenrir their enemies, because of fear he helped the Ragnarok to exist.
Odin: Loki, find some way to get us out of this agreement. *later* Good job. You did it by becoming a mare? Bit weird but whatever works. The horse did WHAT? And you just gave birth to a mutant freak horse? That sounds terrible... you know I've been needing a new ride...
I think the point of Fenrir is that, while mean and somewhat abrasive, he was at his core good, or at least loyal to the Aesir, and the binding incident is what made him the god's enemy. had Odin not been paranoid his death would possibly be avoided.
What would happen when people know about how they're going to die? They'll do everything to avoid it while not aware that they're clearing the path to their own demise.
Kind of seems that way a bit, after all Loki's horse child didn't seem to cause any trouble, in addition you have to wonder if those prophecies were self fulfilling, after all in one story all Fenrir wanted was the respect of the gods, but they never respected him they only feared him, and when he is freed he destroys everything as revenge for being bound.
well the father was not also a credible person... I mean he did kill an immortal god, he did cause Baldr to be stuck in Hel, which he killed in the first place. So.... Whether Loki was mischievous from the start or whether it is again a self fulfilling prophecy is another thing. I do believe it is the latter. He was brought up as a prized child although in most of the stories, Odin held him in high regard.
Actually its in the Icelandic version of myths that have Loki be responsible for Baldur's death. In the Danish version of Baldur's death does not have Loki be responsible for that event.
Yet another reason he (Odin) is also known as Odin Oath-breaker. All Loki and his children truly wanted was respect (something they were NEVER given, in any form!) - and they got shit upon for it. There's only so much of THAT one can take, after all..(~cue Ragnarock~) Nice going Odin! Real nice!
Ragnarok was certain because Odin knew the runes and had the ability/willingness to break oaths, something Loki did not; and old one eye held the security of his people in higher regard than his own oath of brotherhood to his jotunn "brother." This led to Odin attempting to kill or imprison two of Loki's children and (potentially) the third as well - given that the text saying he willingly gave Hel her position was in the christian fanfic portion of Snorri's Edda, rather than one of the preserved poems. (It does not make sense that Odin would give Hel any kind of power with a prophecy saying she would lead an army against him in his pocket. Perhaps before this, however.) After this happened Loki found a way to send Odin's most prized child to be with Hel, without breaking his own oath. This was likely unavoidable given his nature, and how badly he had been slighted. Once the beginning was a certainty Ragnarok became certain as well. Fate was kind of different for the Old Norse than for us. It was things that would happen based on what had already been done - with each moment determining things that would happen later instead of what would happen now. Like weaving a tapestry: once started only so much can be changed.
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This is why in Buddhism the Devas, or Gods, are said to still be subject to karmic cause and effect. If Fenrir and Jormundgandr weren’t ill-treated, would this happen? If Fenrir didn’t bear grudges, would all of this happen? This is why, personally, whilst I acknowledge the power and wisdom of the Norse deities be it Aesir, Vanir or Rökkr, they, much like the Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Mayan, Chinese, Hindu and even the Abrahamic angels and appropriate divinities are still stuck in this cycle of cause and effect. Only when one transcends ego and seeks out life in the Middle way between worldly pleasures and harsh asceticism, will one truly attain enlightenment.
Most of these prophecies seemed like they were self fulfilling prophecies. If the Gods didn’t do those horrible things to Loki’s children they probably wouldn’t have had an cause to start Ragnarok.
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See, this is why I would never want to know my future. Cause if ya know, ya try preventing it which only makes it come true even more. If I don’t know, I can’t do stupid things. Well, not more stupid than usual anyways
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In God of war 4 or 5 if it will exist atreus might be loki or has stuff in common with loki since his mother wanted to name him loki but we also know he is part God and part giant but atrues did ask if he can change into animals as we know loki is a shapeshifter
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Geri Ademi but what the world serpent which already exists and is fully grown while artreus is still a child what is GOW going pedophilia on our asses as well
Love how the gods all just cast out all of Loki's weird children but then decided to keep the mutant horse for Odin. Like, bruh, you're not comfortable with a big dog, but you're comfortable around an eight-legged horse whose parents are literally Loki and a horse whose rider you tricked and murdered?
Sometimes attempting to prevent a bad future ends up causing it. If Odin didn't send Hel to the underworld, yeet Jörmungand into the ocean, and trick and bind Fenrir, do you think Ragnarök wouldn't have happened? Or at the very least, not had have their involvement?
I wonder what earthly challenges and elements these monsters represent? Fenrir sounds like a personification of winter, or perhaps of the winter storms the Norse had to deal with when they went a-viking.
Odin and Loki were blood brothers but then odin betrayed loki so many times. when odin and tyr caught loki sneaking back to the castle from angrboda's place .odin ordered for the pilgrimage to angrboda's home. They took loki's 3 young children with angrboda to asgard. Jormungand the serpent,Fenrir the wolf and Hel. jormungad was sent to the oceans of midgard,Hel was tasked to rule nilhelm. they raised fenrir out of fear of the prophecy that fenrir will kill odin on the upcoming ragnarok. they deviced a plan to bind him when he grew up . since It was said that fenrir was well spoken he tried to fit in and loki was proud of him. When loki found out about the binding of his son he got angry.After some time there was a prophecy that baldr was going to die so frigg, odin and the other Gods tried to change baldr's fate.Loki was furious because of the other gods' hypocrisy that he helped hodr murder bladr the beloved son of odin. he was angry because the other Gods did not try to change the fate of his children and was eager to be rid of them. That probably was the start of his vengeance. Loki gave riches like the mjolnir to the norse pantheon through his good natured mischief but he was always blamed by the other Gods. poor loki ☹️
as I recall it the asgardian contest with utgaardsloke Thor is also armwrestling an old lady and losing, even when equipped with his magical belt and varmgreaves only to later discover that the old lady was old age in disguise
Neil Gaiman’s book is wondeful, i picked it up to relive some childhood stories and fill my obsession for the myths. Makes me happy to see our mythologi still out there. The english names are a bit of a pain tho lmao
In the tale of Thor doing the trials, he is also tasked with wrestling an old women but is ultimately beaten. Only later to find out the old women was old age itself. Just noticed you misses that last one so I thought I'd out it out there.
I wonder if the prophecy of Ragnorak was a self-fullfilling prophecy. Had the gods treated Loki's children with one ounce of respect I don't think the hatred towards the Asgardian gods would have been there to even start Ragnorak. I think Loki was just seeking revenge in the end after seeing what the gods had done to him and his children really, for such a long time.
Utgar Loki was an illusionist, he disguised wild fire as an average guy, earlier in the story Thor and friends stop by a cottage and have dinner, they slaughter one of Thor's cart pulling goats and eat it, saving the bones so it could be brought back to life, one of the kids breaks one of the bones for the marrow or something, so the family's two sons go with them, the one claimed to be a good runner, he was outrun by though itself disguised as an average guy. Thor drank part of the ocean, lost a wrestling match with old age disguised as an old woman, and failed to lift a cat that kept lengthening, which turned out to be Jormangandr. earlier in the story utgar disguised himself as another giant and put the illusion on mountains, when Thor tried to hit i=him with his hammer, he left large square valleys in the wake of his strikes, drank so hard from the horn that it lowered the world's water levels, actually put up a fight against old age, and endangered the world by getting snake cat over his head.
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The child turned into a wolf was almost certainly Odin's son, Vali, changed by the power he granted to the ulfhednar (sometimes called berserkers, though this is historically inaccurate, with ulfhednar meaning "Wolf Cloak" and berserker "Bear Cloak.") There are two reasons for this: First, he had the same name as the Son of Odin as documented multiple places in both Edda, and the same mission of vengeance for Baldr's death. Second, and more interestingly, if the old story was not simply transcribed incorrectly by Snorri this would mean at least one of Odin and Loki's children were blood brothers. In the saga (dealing with historical figures) blood brothers were referred to by the Old Norse as if they were actual brothers sharing all the same parents. (Point of fact: Loki is described as "Son of Bestla" in several old norse texts; while Bestla is certainly Odin's mother in the tale, and Laufrey is Loki's. It was simply a kenning related to them being blood brothers.) This being the case Vali was almost certainly Odin's son and Nari/Narvi's blood brother, the one literally born to avenge baldr, and his being called a child of Loki was simply a kenning relating to their being blood brothers.
Gk Yetti Having read on Norse Mythology myself a bit while most stories don't really have a set time I should Think Thor's fishing trip would take only weeks or months after The serpent was cast into the sea before it grew to its full size thus allowing the serpent to raise its head, this also makes that story far more meaningful as It's stated that Thor can Kill a full size serpent after a long battle then he possibly could the younger version and cause drastic alterations to Ragnarök maybe freeing him up to help Odin or Fight the Frost Giants, I mean it was probably the fates who snapped the line or posed the giant to cut the lines so that Ragnarök would remain unchanged but it's an interesting thought.
In the prose edda, during the account of Utgard-Loki tricking Thor, he states, "It was the Midgard Serpent, which encircles all lands, and from head to tail its length is just enough to round the earth." After that, it says that "from then on he was determined to find a way to confront the Midgard Serpent, and later on that happened." It then leads in to Thor's fishing trip. While I absolutely agree that timeframes within Norse Mythology are incredibly murky, Snorri at least wanted to make it clear that the Serpent was fully grown when Thor pulled it up, which is why I cited it as a potential contradiction, not that it makes much of a difference.
it's been said in multiple writings that the moment Jormungandr lets go of his tail, Ragnarok will begin. there are multiple ways to see that Ragnarok is coming, but this is the most prominent and reliable one.
So I'm in a bit of a debative mood and wanting to just talk about something I've always wondered about since first learning of the Norse Mythos as a kid. Please don't mind me just going off here like Red from OSP (Overly Sarcastic Productions) - whom I do think would be an AMAZING collaboration with The Exploring Series. :D The thing which always bothered me was a lot of the information we are given in the stories of how the Gods treated Loki's children could have prevented the overall events of Ragnarok, or at least offered a different ending. Don't get me wrong, Loki was an *ASS* for killing Balder and not mourning or regretting his actions, that's part of his character, but a lot of Odin's actions in particular around these seem quite petty and desperately thoughtless to me. It's in complete contrast with the character we see in many other stories, especially of how he sacrificed his *eye* for unimaginable amounts of wisdom, and has two Ravens and wolves that literally report to him on *everything happening in the world.* He's the Allfather, and is pretty clever- in some stories he's just as much of, if not even more of a trickster than Loki (he was prayed to by BANDITS and outlaws in favor of the God of mischief!). I could see it holding up to a lot of Nordic customs where Odin could fairly call Loki out for Balder's death, and if there were tales expressing the Trickster's offspring being a handful before everything that ocurred to them, or if they had a hand in Balder's demise, okay. But while they were Fierce, the Nords also believed in a sense of fairness that I feel just doesn't add up with the mythos. Odin cannot see his own actions are what spur his blood-brother's children to choose to fight against him in the end despite how much power and genius he supposedly has, and I feel like there is something about that that's just....off. * Hel is stated as indifferent to most, but gets locked in the underworld. Granted, we don't know why Odin gave her the power to control the Underworld, but did he really have to "throw her out of Asgard" when she never actually did anything to warrant being deemed trouble? If anything, I'd at least call it a promotion and offer a Goddess of such a place an open seat any time she wanted a glass of Mead or tea and some fresh air and try to be on her good side, especially when she even offers to bring back a murdered son if a condition is met without quarrel. * Fenrir was literally raised "amongst the gods" to try and tame him like Sleipnir, and up until that point has no history in the myths of wishing the Allfather ill will, then gets betrayed by the people he showed respect and trust to, and *has a sword driven through his pallet so if he swallowed he would get a sword to the brain after being chained and isolated.* This is an odd and frankly hostile choice of "justice" even for the Aesir in this point of the myths, and I'm *amazed* this has never been used as source material for pet abuse or child abuse awareness infomercials. The gods did what they could to stave off Ragnarock and Odin’s death for he is needed then. But Fenrir committed no crime before or at the time of his binding. Fear of what he COULD do is what caused his binding and subsiquent torture, and the one God who could have literally *"Seen"* a way around it is the one who did that. ---On that note, why would Odin keep Sleipnir if he was so paranoid of Loki's kids?! It just seems to me that the Gods created their own enemies, and a whole ton of bad could have been avoided if they (Odin especially) just stopped and thought for a minute. The prophecy created the situation which created the prophecy when the Oracle told would *could* happen, but not what was definite with the exception of the fact that not all of the pantheon would live to see a new world, because times change.
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He used very good references. If he had said anything that wasn't true, i would've been saying something. Im Asatru/Norse pagan. These are the stories I tell my children. I'm very well versed in Norse mythology. If i may make a video reqest, if you could make a video on the religion itself instead of just the stories. There's so much more to it than the stories and it's satisfying to hear someone talk about who the gods truly were instead of the modernised Marvel versions of them. Like i never hear about the golden apples of Idunn or about the customs and traditions of the followers of the gods. The way the Vikings actually lived instead of just the bloodshed. It's actually truly fascinating to hear. I'd make the video myself, but, i don't have the voice for it and I don't know how to do the videos with just a phone, and a phone has poor quality to do videos with. A good reference for it is "A Modern Guide to Heathenry" by Galina Krasskova. And another is "History of the Jonsvikings" by Lee M. Hollander.
Hel is still sort of invoked today in Norwegian (maybe other Scandivanian languages too, idk). "To death" in Norwegian is normally "til døde", but in some cases like "he bled to death", many will instead say "i hjel", which basically means "to Hel". "Hel" also means "whole" in Norwegian, but I don't think that actually has anything to do with the goddess.
The children of Loki with the giantess Angrboda were Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel. Loki’s children with the giantess were feared and persecuted by the Aesir gods, and are destined to cause their destruction.
In my opinion Odin caused his own demise. He effectively saw that the prophecy would come true. His actions against the Fenris wolf are what caused the wolf to attack him in ragnarok. Might have been different if they befriended the wolf rather than make him an enemy. This is just my opinion
For the love of me I’ve been trying to find a video of kratos and how he fits in Greek and Norse mythology. He killed all the Greek gods and now he’s in Norse mythology? Different realm? Different worlds? Someone explain
The gods are separated by geography in the God of War universe. Think about it this way: every pantheon worshipped by different cultures around the world do exist, but are ultimately limited by geography. Wherever their worshippers are, they are also. Ex.) Greek pantheon rules over Greece, and Egyptian pantheon rules over Egypt. Kratos destroyed Greece by killing lots of the country's gods, but the rest of the world, the people, and their gods remain unaffected. So when Kratos arrives in Scandinavia, he enters the land of the Norse gods.
Well that's just one of the signals of Ragnarokkr, there is Fimbulwinter, the breaking of Loki's shackles, Fenrir's breaking of his shackles, the call of Gullinkambi, Hræsvelgr, and another specific bird, and when Miðgarðsormr (the world serpent) raises his head from the ocean and releases the grip if his tail. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head xD Great question though
The Age of Mythology game was in my view the most thrilling representation of Norse mythology. But perhaps that's just because that is where I came across it for the very first time.
There is no mention of what hel's role is. Loki is Nagelfar's captain. But u know depending on the source u read...the roles are switched up. There are many inconsistencies throughout the myths and sagas 😊
I promise you I am not lying I was reading a norse mythology book yesterday 12:30 at night I read the story loki's children and the next morning this video gets uploaded very strange coincidence
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Fenrisulfnr the Fen Wolf, was in no way vicious, He was bound when a false profit came and fooled Odin into binding his Grandson. I'm glad many are beginning to see this. They like me were mistreated for who their father is. Yet Fenrisulfnr like me has great potential and like me will one day be free of pain.
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But he only had two children with his wife, and neither of them killed any gods (one was them was actually murdered by a god). The three kids of doom you're probably referring to were birthed by this giantess Loki would "visit" behind his wife's back. The wolf only killed one god though, and so did the serpent. Loki's wife is actually a pretty minor goddess, just like Loki himself. The Norse gods are just surprisingly vulnerable as Hel. One of them was literally killed by a spear (thrown by a fellow god, but still). Thor was also killed via poison (from an abnormally large serpent, but still).
Baldr is in Helheim with Hela. After Ragnarok, she and Baldr raise up and become the only 2 rulers, bc they were safe in the darkest place. I have even spirit walked to the realm. It took me 3 weeks to recover and function in my life afterward. Everyone kills each other and these 2 survive. One represents darkness the other light. They become the balance of new rulers. Fenrir and Tyr were companions at some time. Tyr did something dishonorable to Fenny and being the God title he embodied, he stepped up and offered his arm to Fenny to make it up to him. Tyr is not dishonorable. The chains which were first put on him were just regular bindings. During this turn of events, Fenny was guessed to be the one thing that cannot be completely fathomable. The raw, utter form of chaos is the thing Fenny was forced to represent at that time. No one can imagine this. Which was the reason they implored dwarfs to make the one binding in which WOULD hold him (The sound of cat's whiskers!). It had to have things combined which were of great curiosity and also be unfathomable as an enduring binding. Loki dies too. Hela is safe in Helheim! She comes back with Baldr. I won't get too angry, bc we are analyzing someone's book, but it should be told in a truthful manner.
Thank you for the video. Really enjoyed it! I just subscribed so I don't know I someone already asked you to do this, but have you considered showing on the screen some of the characters' names? They can be tricky to understand at times. Thank you.
The Asgardians probably got very nervous anytime Loki was missing for more than nine months.
Odin: Will I have to kill, bind or raise this new kid?
Or just you know anytime hes liveing
Tom Copley Loki: And I had three more children
The other gods: God dammit
Probably worse when they learned some Greek dude made his war to Midgard
The gestation period for a horse is 11-12 months on average.
Fenrir wasn't a threat to Odin until he was betrayed and chained out of fear. Besides his rapid growth, Fenrir showed no form of hostility towards anyone around him. It wasn't the beast that was the threat. It was the prophecy that created fear that was the threat.
What was Fenrir like before the betrayal? were they just in their belief to stay clear of Fenrir? Was he actually extremely vicious?
He wasn't. He wanted to fit in with the Asir, as he lived in Asgard and considered it his home, and the Asir was like his family, the only people he'd ever known.
It’s okay bro kratos will get him
The version I heard at a story telling festival stated that Fenrir was really good at looking innocent, but it slipped for a moment while one of the gods was looking (don't remember which one though).
Exactly!
Fenrir's story - monsters aren't born, they're created
I think the problems with most of Loke's kids can be explained by their grandfather being kind of an asshole.
Which would also explain why Loke turned out the way he did.
Oden seriously needs to brush up on his parenting skills.
Wavemaninawe dude Loki was Odins brother in Norse mythology not his son, that’s only in marvel, so he’s there uncle
Endless_ocean So Loki’s children only have Loki to blame
I agree with you about fenrir, but scientifically, psychopaths are born sociopaths are made, but I love fenrir like I said, I agree, but psychopaths are psychopaths they are unable to feel anything except for self grandiose, “in other words”, power still gets to there head so technically they are a real monster, fenrir is more so, that he got fucked over & all his love & admiration for the gods got twisted into a hatred & disdain for the asir
@@Wavemaninawe odin isnt loki's father, get your marvel-ass out of here.
Atreus: *Gets fùcked by his own horse.*
Kratos: BOY!
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They are talking about the son of Odin not Atreus
@@peytonsouvannavong4863 Atreus is Loki in the new GOW
@@peytonsouvannavong4863 loki isn't son of Odin more like a BFF
The story of Fenrir shows once more that dog's only get aggressive if one mistreats them.
So if we learn one thing from Norse Mythology it is: "Be good to your dog or it will devour you during Ragnarok!"
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It is interesting how cause and effect is explored through Loki's children. If the Gods had merely continued to raise Fenrir would he have turned hostile at all? Likewise with the Jörmungandr? Was Ragnarök ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy?
The book series Erik and The Gods talk about the exact same questions in the fourth and final chapter if my memory does not fool me. Very interesting topic.
I think Loki's children gives a lesson of giving a benefit of a doubt and not to judge an individual based on their lineage/ancestor's past. While Fenrir was becoming more wild, I think giving him a collar and allowing him to roam where the chain ended would have been more fair and giving him some sort of authority of said land he reaches. The World Serpent should have had authority of the oceans as a peace treaty. The only one of Loki's children that seemed to receieved the better end of the stick was Hel, since she became Empress of the Underworld.
What about Sleipnir?
+Jose Mendez It's nature vs. nurture.
Hel and Sleipnir are the flipside of the coin to Fenrir and Jörmungandr for that very reason.
redheadtiger80 Sleipnir, as far as I know, does not have human-sentience and acts and behaves like a regular horse, the only difference is that he has mystical powers to travel anywhere. He got treated well you can say.
I find fenrir ironic, as he lived among the gods only to be betrayed out of fear for his power, and that in the end is why Odin dies, there own sins befell them, Honestly the Norse gods were kinda jerks, making promises of marriage only to betray, ect ect, sorta jerks.
And that wasn't the only time the made false promise of marriage. It also factored in one or two other myths..
So were the Greek/Roman gods, most of them raped, and set even tried to rape Horus shits weird
well vikings did the same things as their gods,
@@johnnilsson8199 their gods were not so different than human beings, it also shows how disgusting we are as a species.
The Greek gods are worse.
Thor: what the heck Loki?!
Loki: *I do what I want*
@I swing the Hammer of Thor I am Hunter NO!
@I swing the Hammer of Thor I am Hunter why didnt i see the thor's chariot yet? Or the branches that connect the "nine realms"?
I feel like Loki and his baby mamas/daddies have more drama than the entire Greek pantheon
Zeus: I accept your challenge!
Yk looking was actually a mother to one of his kids
@@slasher1670 The embodiment of disease and evil, and Sleipnir. Their mother is Loki
you should look at Odin instead
Not even close tbh
Edit:Read the replies before correcting me.
Loki got mounted by a horse and now Odin rides his grandchild, what a weird family.
edit holy heck this got a crapton of upvotes, thanks y'all
Devin Cruz Odin isn’t Loki’s father!!
Sunniva 000 I should watch more of this guy's videos, my norse lore is lacking.
Devin Cruz he more, or less adopted Loki. So adopted father XD
jonathan voss I think more like adopted brother
Unless you're doing a crossover with Marvel and Norse Mythology, Loki and Oin we not related in Norse Mythology.
Being a devotee to Hela (which is Hel’s Teutonic spelling), I will share some more things about her. She is known to be cruel and greedy, this is only half true about her. Being both living and dead, she is two extremes within one mass. She is by far the most devoted to humans, and is the only goddess who can withstand seeing someone at their lowest point and not flinch. She is compassionate, but she never will sugar coat anyrhing or beat around the bush. Also, despite her being cruel by mocking you or insulting you when you are down, she is really helping you get back up on your own. Lastly, about her apperance and its symbolic meaning. Ultimately, Hela is a mirror; what you project she throws back at you; at first the two sides are balanced. When you interact with her, one side becomes more prevalent than the other.
Brenden Rolls Is the mirror thing from a particular source? I play a game, SMITE, in which you can play as Hel, and her win screen has the two sides of her reflected in a mirror, one above the other. It's really cool to see that it wasn't some random thing added by the devs.
tsundere?
Alicia B No, more like Two-Face, flip a coin Heads or Tails, good or bad.
Brenden Rolls u loser
According from a shaman's interaction with her in meditation, he stated when he saw her, she re tflected to him every dark regret along with every little part of him that crippled his self-esteem. He stated to the effect of," She was challenging me to see if I could handled my worst and accept myself, both the good and bad..." Again, she is cruel by putting someone through all the trauma they endured, but she does that to have one get over the incident completely and not regret it. The mirroring reference may hint at that yes, but the most accurate about her character is her darker aspect. The light aspect, is more of a stereotype if that makes sense. All the insults and condescending remarks she makes to her light aspect and others are accurate somewhat on how she interacts with others. If that answered your question.
The part that Fenrir bits off Tyr's arm is a bit off, the deal between Fenrir and Tyr was that Fenrir would try to break free from the rope/chain, but if he could not break free the gods would set him free by taking off the rope/chain, but when the gods saw that Fenrir could ot break it and excape, they let him there to be tied forever (as they thought), so Tyr knew what Fenrir had to do, and Fenrir then, after the Gods did not set him free as their part of the deal, Fenrir bit off Tyr's arm as a compensation, and this was one of Odins' mistake, he made Fenrir their enemies, because of fear he helped the Ragnarok to exist.
Odin: Loki, find some way to get us out of this agreement.
*later* Good job. You did it by becoming a mare? Bit weird but whatever works. The horse did WHAT? And you just gave birth to a mutant freak horse? That sounds terrible... you know I've been needing a new ride...
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH. im dying inside man
I can confirm this is exactly how it went :)
Wtf😂😂
the children of loki is in "The Ritual" movie he is like monster
CtGuy one child, a jotun.
I think the point of Fenrir is that, while mean and somewhat abrasive, he was at his core good, or at least loyal to the Aesir, and the binding incident is what made him the god's enemy. had Odin not been paranoid his death would possibly be avoided.
What would happen when people know about how they're going to die? They'll do everything to avoid it while not aware that they're clearing the path to their own demise.
They brought out the description we all have been shown. "The purest form of chaos."
I might be wrong but fenrir once told Odin that if he did not chain him, fenrir would have be his most loyal, most powerful guard.
One big "Happy Family" Monsters aren't born, they're made.
Kind of seems that way a bit, after all Loki's horse child didn't seem to cause any trouble, in addition you have to wonder if those prophecies were self fulfilling, after all in one story all Fenrir wanted was the respect of the gods, but they never respected him they only feared him, and when he is freed he destroys everything as revenge for being bound.
well the father was not also a credible person... I mean he did kill an immortal god, he did cause Baldr to be stuck in Hel, which he killed in the first place. So.... Whether Loki was mischievous from the start or whether it is again a self fulfilling prophecy is another thing. I do believe it is the latter. He was brought up as a prized child although in most of the stories, Odin held him in high regard.
Actually its in the Icelandic version of myths that have Loki be responsible for Baldur's death. In the Danish version of Baldur's death does not have Loki be responsible for that event.
Yet another reason he (Odin) is also known as Odin Oath-breaker. All Loki and his children truly wanted was respect (something they were NEVER given, in any form!) - and they got shit upon for it. There's only so much of THAT one can take, after all..(~cue Ragnarock~) Nice going Odin! Real nice!
Ragnarok was certain because Odin knew the runes and had the ability/willingness to break oaths, something Loki did not; and old one eye held the security of his people in higher regard than his own oath of brotherhood to his jotunn "brother."
This led to Odin attempting to kill or imprison two of Loki's children and (potentially) the third as well - given that the text saying he willingly gave Hel her position was in the christian fanfic portion of Snorri's Edda, rather than one of the preserved poems. (It does not make sense that Odin would give Hel any kind of power with a prophecy saying she would lead an army against him in his pocket. Perhaps before this, however.)
After this happened Loki found a way to send Odin's most prized child to be with Hel, without breaking his own oath. This was likely unavoidable given his nature, and how badly he had been slighted.
Once the beginning was a certainty Ragnarok became certain as well.
Fate was kind of different for the Old Norse than for us. It was things that would happen based on what had already been done - with each moment determining things that would happen later instead of what would happen now. Like weaving a tapestry: once started only so much can be changed.
Loki World's best horse mom
Loki let Sleipnir's uncle ride around on him all the time! Terrible horse mom. 3/10.
Am I the only one who understood that reference? XD
The Grinning Viking Grandad*
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The artwork you used in this video is really good. Love this series, hope that greek or celtic mythology is voted next
Celtic would be better imo. Greek mythology is just so overdone.
Well, you got your wish.
Way more interesting than the Marvel Thor and Loki to be honest...
Debatable.
Though if you did first get into the Marvel version, it makes it very weird and interesting.
In the 1st Thor at the beginning, he was acting like Baldr. Odin is not always that serious. I have a hilarious personal story to relay. LOL
This is why in Buddhism the Devas, or Gods, are said to still be subject to karmic cause and effect. If Fenrir and Jormundgandr weren’t ill-treated, would this happen? If Fenrir didn’t bear grudges, would all of this happen?
This is why, personally, whilst I acknowledge the power and wisdom of the Norse deities be it Aesir, Vanir or Rökkr, they, much like the Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Mayan, Chinese, Hindu and even the Abrahamic angels and appropriate divinities are still stuck in this cycle of cause and effect.
Only when one transcends ego and seeks out life in the Middle way between worldly pleasures and harsh asceticism, will one truly attain enlightenment.
Most of these prophecies seemed like they were self fulfilling prophecies. If the Gods didn’t do those horrible things to Loki’s children they probably wouldn’t have had an cause to start Ragnarok.
and I thought I had a dysfunctional family
. . .Is it just me, or are Norse mythology prophecies just a lot of self-fulfilling prophecies, and the Norse gods not once considered that?
The idea was no matter what they dud , what was prophesied is what will happen.
That is quite literally what they are, the Norse gods are simply very dumb jocks, and they are easily comparable with teenagers
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See, this is why I would never want to know my future. Cause if ya know, ya try preventing it which only makes it come true even more. If I don’t know, I can’t do stupid things. Well, not more stupid than usual anyways
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Danger Noodle
Spider horse
Help
AverageAva TheNorwegianBoi spuder that neighs
Spider-horse, Spider-horse
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Finally someone else is thinking that Fenrir is not guilty
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Long Live Loki
Thor: "This booze tastes like saltwater!"
Utgard-Loki: "Uhhhh, yea that's totally how we like it, no tricks here!"
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Thor was probably intoxicated by a butt load of Mead before this! You're so funny! lol
Kratos: my grandchildrens.
God of War 5 : Children of Loki
In God of war 4 or 5 if it will exist atreus might be loki or has stuff in common with loki since his mother wanted to name him loki but we also know he is part God and part giant but atrues did ask if he can change into animals as we know loki is a shapeshifter
Kratos: boi did you just get knocked up by a horse?
Artaus: father, meet your grand kids. Hela, Fenrir, and of course you remember Jormungandr.
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My gosh, yes please 😳
Anyone else here cause of the new God of War
BlackSteel KeyChain yes indeed😁 u had my curiosity now u have my attention
Atreus is Loki.
cant belive Atreus will get fcked by a horse , atreus what the fuck man
Geri Ademi but what the world serpent which already exists and is fully grown while artreus is still a child what is GOW going pedophilia on our asses as well
Serpent in the game would be his son from the future
Love how the gods all just cast out all of Loki's weird children but then decided to keep the mutant horse for Odin. Like, bruh, you're not comfortable with a big dog, but you're comfortable around an eight-legged horse whose parents are literally Loki and a horse whose rider you tricked and murdered?
Sometimes attempting to prevent a bad future ends up causing it. If Odin didn't send Hel to the underworld, yeet Jörmungand into the ocean, and trick and bind Fenrir, do you think Ragnarök wouldn't have happened? Or at the very least, not had have their involvement?
"BOY, stay away from the horses of the Jotun"
"Why, dad?"
"Just... just trust me on this one"
Yeah not all people will get that atryas is loki
I wonder what earthly challenges and elements these monsters represent? Fenrir sounds like a personification of winter, or perhaps of the winter storms the Norse had to deal with when they went a-viking.
Odin and Loki were blood brothers but then odin betrayed loki so many times. when odin and tyr caught loki sneaking back to the castle from angrboda's place .odin ordered for the pilgrimage to angrboda's home. They took loki's 3 young children with angrboda to asgard. Jormungand the serpent,Fenrir the wolf and Hel. jormungad was sent to the oceans of midgard,Hel was tasked to rule nilhelm. they raised fenrir out of fear of the prophecy that fenrir will kill odin on the upcoming ragnarok. they deviced a plan to bind him when he grew up . since It was said that fenrir was well spoken he tried to fit in and loki was proud of him. When loki found out about the binding of his son he got angry.After some time there was a prophecy that baldr was going to die so frigg, odin and the other Gods tried to change baldr's fate.Loki was furious because of the other gods' hypocrisy that he helped hodr murder bladr the beloved son of odin. he was angry because the other Gods did not try to change the fate of his children and was eager to be rid of them. That probably was the start of his vengeance. Loki gave riches like the mjolnir to the norse pantheon through his good natured mischief but he was always blamed by the other Gods. poor loki ☹️
as I recall it the asgardian contest with utgaardsloke Thor is also armwrestling an old lady and losing, even when equipped with his magical belt and varmgreaves only to later discover that the old lady was old age in disguise
I've been so interested in your videos that I've just ordered 'Norse Mythology' by Neil Gaiman, looking forward to diving in this weekend
Kratos “BOI !!!!!!!!”
The lneffable Us "BOI STOP THAT"
"BOI, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT HORSE?!"
It must have been so cool for Loki to have children it’s like rolling a dice what are we gonna get now?
I love Fenrir and I honestly feel bad for him.
I hope you'll eventually explore the Norse mythology of the Dwarves! They are very vital to Norse myth and I wish to know why, if possible.
Neil Gaiman’s book is wondeful, i picked it up to relive some childhood stories and fill my obsession for the myths. Makes me happy to see our mythologi still out there. The english names are a bit of a pain tho lmao
In the tale of Thor doing the trials, he is also tasked with wrestling an old women but is ultimately beaten. Only later to find out the old women was old age itself. Just noticed you misses that last one so I thought I'd out it out there.
"Loki is one of the most unique and enigmatic characters of Norse mythology." And....I finished liking the video.
Loki has definitely giving new meaning to the term (CROSS GENDER).
the children of loki is in "The Ritual" movie he is like monster
I wonder if the prophecy of Ragnorak was a self-fullfilling prophecy. Had the gods treated Loki's children with one ounce of respect I don't think the hatred towards the Asgardian gods would have been there to even start Ragnorak. I think Loki was just seeking revenge in the end after seeing what the gods had done to him and his children really, for such a long time.
But Baldur, Sol and Mani are innocent!
poor fenrir
Right?
I swing the Hammer of Thor I am Hunter bro shut the fuck up I see you everywhere
I'm quite impressed Jormangandr managed to disguise himself as a giant cat.
Ankle Sockson lol nice reference
Utgar Loki was an illusionist, he disguised wild fire as an average guy, earlier in the story Thor and friends stop by a cottage and have dinner, they slaughter one of Thor's cart pulling goats and eat it, saving the bones so it could be brought back to life, one of the kids breaks one of the bones for the marrow or something, so the family's two sons go with them, the one claimed to be a good runner, he was outrun by though itself disguised as an average guy. Thor drank part of the ocean, lost a wrestling match with old age disguised as an old woman, and failed to lift a cat that kept lengthening, which turned out to be Jormangandr.
earlier in the story utgar disguised himself as another giant and put the illusion on mountains, when Thor tried to hit i=him with his hammer, he left large square valleys in the wake of his strikes, drank so hard from the horn that it lowered the world's water levels, actually put up a fight against old age, and endangered the world by getting snake cat over his head.
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Sigyn: Children of Loki?? Narvi, Vali come here a video about You-----
Angrboda: The FAMOUS children of Loki.
Sigyn: DAMN IT.
The child turned into a wolf was almost certainly Odin's son, Vali, changed by the power he granted to the ulfhednar (sometimes called berserkers, though this is historically inaccurate, with ulfhednar meaning "Wolf Cloak" and berserker "Bear Cloak.") There are two reasons for this:
First, he had the same name as the Son of Odin as documented multiple places in both Edda, and the same mission of vengeance for Baldr's death.
Second, and more interestingly, if the old story was not simply transcribed incorrectly by Snorri this would mean at least one of Odin and Loki's children were blood brothers. In the saga (dealing with historical figures) blood brothers were referred to by the Old Norse as if they were actual brothers sharing all the same parents.
(Point of fact: Loki is described as "Son of Bestla" in several old norse texts; while Bestla is certainly Odin's mother in the tale, and Laufrey is Loki's. It was simply a kenning related to them being blood brothers.)
This being the case Vali was almost certainly Odin's son and Nari/Narvi's blood brother, the one literally born to avenge baldr, and his being called a child of Loki was simply a kenning relating to their being blood brothers.
That Is confusing cause I grew up with blood brothers being an oath you took to make them of your blood and you of theirs.
I despise Snorri! I hope there is a special ring in his God's hell for his blatant deception.
I don't think when the snake rose his head out of the water wad a contradiction. I think THOR started Ragnork just and opinion lol
Gk Yetti Having read on Norse Mythology myself a bit while most stories don't really have a set time I should Think Thor's fishing trip would take only weeks or months after The serpent was cast into the sea before it grew to its full size thus allowing the serpent to raise its head, this also makes that story far more meaningful as It's stated that Thor can Kill a full size serpent after a long battle then he possibly could the younger version and cause drastic alterations to Ragnarök maybe freeing him up to help Odin or Fight the Frost Giants, I mean it was probably the fates who snapped the line or posed the giant to cut the lines so that Ragnarök would remain unchanged but it's an interesting thought.
In the prose edda, during the account of Utgard-Loki tricking Thor, he states, "It was the Midgard Serpent, which encircles all lands, and from head to tail its length is just enough to round the earth." After that, it says that "from then on he was determined to find a way to confront the Midgard Serpent, and later on that happened." It then leads in to Thor's fishing trip. While I absolutely agree that timeframes within Norse Mythology are incredibly murky, Snorri at least wanted to make it clear that the Serpent was fully grown when Thor pulled it up, which is why I cited it as a potential contradiction, not that it makes much of a difference.
it's been said in multiple writings that the moment Jormungandr lets go of his tail, Ragnarok will begin. there are multiple ways to see that Ragnarok is coming, but this is the most prominent and reliable one.
Nah, the true start of Ragnarok was the death of Baldur. After that, it was only a matter of time.
Could you do a series on Irish Mythology if you could
Gotta wait for the next poll.
Would be great
Carl yes that would be amazing
Y would love to hear about all mythology of the english islands.
Don't harm the poor streamer
No idea why but i can't get enough of Fenrir. My favorite of the Loki's children
So I'm in a bit of a debative mood and wanting to just talk about something I've always wondered about since first learning of the Norse Mythos as a kid. Please don't mind me just going off here like Red from OSP (Overly Sarcastic Productions) - whom I do think would be an AMAZING collaboration with The Exploring Series. :D
The thing which always bothered me was a lot of the information we are given in the stories of how the Gods treated Loki's children could have prevented the overall events of Ragnarok, or at least offered a different ending. Don't get me wrong, Loki was an *ASS* for killing Balder and not mourning or regretting his actions, that's part of his character, but a lot of Odin's actions in particular around these seem quite petty and desperately thoughtless to me. It's in complete contrast with the character we see in many other stories, especially of how he sacrificed his *eye* for unimaginable amounts of wisdom, and has two Ravens and wolves that literally report to him on *everything happening in the world.* He's the Allfather, and is pretty clever- in some stories he's just as much of, if not even more of a trickster than Loki (he was prayed to by BANDITS and outlaws in favor of the God of mischief!). I could see it holding up to a lot of Nordic customs where Odin could fairly call Loki out for Balder's death, and if there were tales expressing the Trickster's offspring being a handful before everything that ocurred to them, or if they had a hand in Balder's demise, okay. But while they were Fierce, the Nords also believed in a sense of fairness that I feel just doesn't add up with the mythos. Odin cannot see his own actions are what spur his blood-brother's children to choose to fight against him in the end despite how much power and genius he supposedly has, and I feel like there is something about that that's just....off.
* Hel is stated as indifferent to most, but gets locked in the underworld. Granted, we don't know why Odin gave her the power to control the Underworld, but did he really have to "throw her out of Asgard" when she never actually did anything to warrant being deemed trouble? If anything, I'd at least call it a promotion and offer a Goddess of such a place an open seat any time she wanted a glass of Mead or tea and some fresh air and try to be on her good side, especially when she even offers to bring back a murdered son if a condition is met without quarrel.
* Fenrir was literally raised "amongst the gods" to try and tame him like Sleipnir, and up until that point has no history in the myths of wishing the Allfather ill will, then gets betrayed by the people he showed respect and trust to, and *has a sword driven through his pallet so if he swallowed he would get a sword to the brain after being chained and isolated.* This is an odd and frankly hostile choice of "justice" even for the Aesir in this point of the myths, and I'm *amazed* this has never been used as source material for pet abuse or child abuse awareness infomercials. The gods did what they could to stave off Ragnarock and Odin’s death for he is needed then. But Fenrir committed no crime before or at the time of his binding. Fear of what he COULD do is what caused his binding and subsiquent torture, and the one God who could have literally *"Seen"* a way around it is the one who did that.
---On that note, why would Odin keep Sleipnir if he was so paranoid of Loki's kids?!
It just seems to me that the Gods created their own enemies, and a whole ton of bad could have been avoided if they (Odin especially) just stopped and thought for a minute. The prophecy created the situation which created the prophecy when the Oracle told would *could* happen, but not what was definite with the exception of the fact that not all of the pantheon would live to see a new world, because times change.
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God damn it Loki!
He used very good references. If he had said anything that wasn't true, i would've been saying something.
Im Asatru/Norse pagan. These are the stories I tell my children. I'm very well versed in Norse mythology.
If i may make a video reqest, if you could make a video on the religion itself instead of just the stories. There's so much more to it than the stories and it's satisfying to hear someone talk about who the gods truly were instead of the modernised Marvel versions of them. Like i never hear about the golden apples of Idunn or about the customs and traditions of the followers of the gods. The way the Vikings actually lived instead of just the bloodshed. It's actually truly fascinating to hear.
I'd make the video myself, but, i don't have the voice for it and I don't know how to do the videos with just a phone, and a phone has poor quality to do videos with.
A good reference for it is "A Modern Guide to Heathenry" by Galina Krasskova.
And another is "History of the Jonsvikings" by Lee M. Hollander.
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Tyr: You were my brother Fenrir, I loved you ;;-;;
Fenrir: IHATECHYOU
I weep for the children of Loki, come Ragnarok I'll be fighting to save them
It is nice to be able to watch your content so quickly.
Keep up with the good work! ;)
Oh, and since there is no other comment right now: FIRST!!! ;P
When Loki gets pregnet
Kratos:BOI!
WHAT
kratos:youre..a boi right?
Ugh... Idk
Loki is genderfluid
@@AGuyNamedRobin whats that?
Hel is still sort of invoked today in Norwegian (maybe other Scandivanian languages too, idk). "To death" in Norwegian is normally "til døde", but in some cases like "he bled to death", many will instead say "i hjel", which basically means "to Hel".
"Hel" also means "whole" in Norwegian, but I don't think that actually has anything to do with the goddess.
Hel Peninsula is a 35 km long sand bar peninsula in northern Poland.
Was it not only called Hel after the Polish held the Germans for a month out there in WWII?
Hrafna-Flóki Vilgerðarson Nope, it's totally historical name
Ahh okay. Though the other story is cool.
Fi FAAN!!!!
The children of Loki with the giantess Angrboda were Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel. Loki’s children with the giantess were feared and persecuted by the Aesir gods, and are destined to cause their destruction.
thank u marvel for making Loki attractive
You used an album cover from Amon Amarth!!! Sick!!
Freya: Loki weep for Baldur so that your daughter will return him to us.
Loki: Fuck him... lol.
The piece of writing at the end, mad it amazing.
Does anyone else find it funny that in an attempt to distract a horse, Loki got caught and ploughed by it.
In my opinion Odin caused his own demise. He effectively saw that the prophecy would come true. His actions against the Fenris wolf are what caused the wolf to attack him in ragnarok. Might have been different if they befriended the wolf rather than make him an enemy.
This is just my opinion
For the love of me I’ve been trying to find a video of kratos and how he fits in Greek and Norse mythology. He killed all the Greek gods and now he’s in Norse mythology? Different realm? Different worlds? Someone explain
WICKID RAVEN Kratos has nothing to do with Norse mythology, if you are refering to God of War 4 that story uses some major artistic license.
The gods are separated by geography in the God of War universe. Think about it this way: every pantheon worshipped by different cultures around the world do exist, but are ultimately limited by geography. Wherever their worshippers are, they are also. Ex.) Greek pantheon rules over Greece, and Egyptian pantheon rules over Egypt. Kratos destroyed Greece by killing lots of the country's gods, but the rest of the world, the people, and their gods remain unaffected. So when Kratos arrives in Scandinavia, he enters the land of the Norse gods.
That image of Fenrir's mouth being held open by Odin's son is just... Ugh!
I was disgusted by that but I watch The Walking Dead, for crying out loud!
I saw a tiktok about this and I’m legit so invested
One question, wasn’t ragnarok going to begin when ferir’s bandings broke?
Well that's just one of the signals of Ragnarokkr, there is Fimbulwinter, the breaking of Loki's shackles, Fenrir's breaking of his shackles, the call of Gullinkambi, Hræsvelgr, and another specific bird, and when Miðgarðsormr (the world serpent) raises his head from the ocean and releases the grip if his tail. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head xD Great question though
The Age of Mythology game was in my view the most thrilling representation of Norse mythology.
But perhaps that's just because that is where I came across it for the very first time.
Its comforting to know that my old and lost shoes will be of use to slay a beast....
His mother is full Jotun. Laufey( Loki's mom) was the last Jotun of Jotunheim
Given Loki's mother Laufey was the queen of Jotenheim yeah I would say he's full Joten.
I know what Hells roll in ragnarök: she is the captain on the death-ship, Nagelfar!
There is no mention of what hel's role is. Loki is Nagelfar's captain. But u know depending on the source u read...the roles are switched up. There are many inconsistencies throughout the myths and sagas 😊
aaaaaand its all from iceland :D hi guys ! im proud !
I promise you I am not lying I was reading a norse mythology book yesterday 12:30 at night I read the story loki's children and the next morning this video gets uploaded very strange coincidence
Loki was watching you! Be creful what you read :D
Kenji 1987 😁😊
It's called a synchronicity
Ragnarok is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Odin hadn't been a complete asshole to Loki's children then Ragnarok would not have happened.
8:24 Adorable doggo
I'm so confused. So, can Loki give birth?
toasty jam well when he shapeshifts himself into a female
Jes,,,us is Lo,,ki. He is the tran(s.gen.der) Baph,,omet image of Satan in disguise. He is the trick,ster god ... ua-cam.com/video/6G1C8Fp8ROE/v-deo.html .. Your righ,tful Lords O,,din and T.,hor have re,turned to help you see. Feed the Ra,,vens and Cr..ows they will answer your prayers
Fenrisulfnr the Fen Wolf, was in no way vicious, He was bound when a false profit came and fooled Odin into binding his Grandson. I'm glad many are beginning to see this. They like me were mistreated for who their father is. Yet Fenrisulfnr like me has great potential and like me will one day be free of pain.
Fenrir isn't Odin's grandson, pal.
Quick fun fact. Hymir the Giant that Thor brought along on his fishing trip is the father of the Aesir god Tyr, the god of law and heroic deeds/glory
Boy!
is that why kratos son wanted to turn into a wolf so badly
Dan Jimiez bruh i hasn’t noticed that nice one
yep he wants to get fucked by a wolf
Jes,,,us is Lo,,ki. He is the tran(s.gen.der) Baph,,omet image of Satan in disguise. He is the trick,ster god ... ua-cam.com/video/6G1C8Fp8ROE/v-deo.html .. Your righ,tful Lords O,,din and T.,hor have re,turned to help you see. Feed the Ra,,vens and Cr..ows they will answer your prayers
In order to have children who will kill the Norse gods, Loki's wife must be pretty powerful.
But he only had two children with his wife, and neither of them killed any gods (one was them was actually murdered by a god). The three kids of doom you're probably referring to were birthed by this giantess Loki would "visit" behind his wife's back. The wolf only killed one god though, and so did the serpent. Loki's wife is actually a pretty minor goddess, just like Loki himself. The Norse gods are just surprisingly vulnerable as Hel. One of them was literally killed by a spear (thrown by a fellow god, but still). Thor was also killed via poison (from an abnormally large serpent, but still).
Loki got introduce to broke back mountain 😭😭
loki not weeping for Baldur could make a interesting concept in god of war 5
Spoiler alert.
Loki father is Kratos.
I'm so sad for Fenrir..
It is fun to say jormagander name
So Loki shapeshifted into a female horse, got fuck and gave birth. DAMN!! That is some crazy shit.😞😞😞
Oh my dear boy the world ends when jormangander bites his tail
Monsters aren't born, fenrir wasn't monster born.. he was monster created
Such a good video
Baldr is in Helheim with Hela. After Ragnarok, she and Baldr raise up and become the only 2 rulers, bc they were safe in the darkest place. I have even spirit walked to the realm. It took me 3 weeks to recover and function in my life afterward. Everyone kills each other and these 2 survive. One represents darkness the other light. They become the balance of new rulers.
Fenrir and Tyr were companions at some time. Tyr did something dishonorable to Fenny and being the God title he embodied, he stepped up and offered his arm to Fenny to make it up to him. Tyr is not dishonorable. The chains which were first put on him were just regular bindings. During this turn of events, Fenny was guessed to be the one thing that cannot be completely fathomable. The raw, utter form of chaos is the thing Fenny was forced to represent at that time. No one can imagine this. Which was the reason they implored dwarfs to make the one binding in which WOULD hold him (The sound of cat's whiskers!). It had to have things combined which were of great curiosity and also be unfathomable as an enduring binding.
Loki dies too. Hela is safe in Helheim! She comes back with Baldr.
I won't get too angry, bc we are analyzing someone's book, but it should be told in a truthful manner.
Thank you for the video. Really enjoyed it!
I just subscribed so I don't know I someone already asked you to do this, but have you considered showing on the screen some of the characters' names? They can be tricky to understand at times.
Thank you.
"Turned into a mere and got pregnant"
Next God Of War game will be interesting to say the least LOL
6:15 Amon Amarth's "Twilight of the Thundergod" album cover