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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- The crew talks their first impressions of #MTGMH3, Richard becoming a sweaty One Piece grinder and more!
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Critikal's video is hilarious just because of how long he has been collecting, his commander deck was pretty much built to showcase how he owned every kaladesh masterpiece. His boardstate might have costed an entire car in value. Jokingly flaunting his collection but it wasn't like he was pubstomping with a CEDH deck, he just looked like he was vibing, like your rich uncle busting out his expensive car for a test drive. It was a really funny video, good content, really think it could only be positive for the game.
I'd rather get pub stomped all day then be poverty checked out of the game.
He his decks aren't that well built or overpowered but they sure are rare 😂
MTG podcast starts at 21:14. After the One Piece podcast
I watched the whole thing but my husband was not interested in the one piece talk. You are doing Gods work.
Thanx. I cam here for mtg like the title suggests. The first 20 minutes were awful.
So interested in one peice
Sad they talked about that garbage game for 21 minutes. Lorcana is fixed magic. A good game.
Based
Richard's point about the recording aspect is super valid. Hell, I once participated in a cEDH game on stream for my club (no prizes, no stakes) and realized when I watched it back that I had accidentally cheated. But no one noticed in the moment, and we wouldn't have been able to know without the recording.
Seth and Prof are clearly the guys I want to see more of. Always bringing good vibes to this GAME's community. Thank you for that!
We need Seth on shuffle up and play
as someone that owns a webcam mtg server with a couple thousand people in it. the way we would run events with prizing is we would offer prizes to be randomly raffled out to all participants that played the full event regardless of record to discourage cheating, this normally worked pretty well
Last week I said that Aboreal Grazer into Flare of Cultivation could be busted and hopefully bring back Ponza. Some kind commenter said "Playing two bad cards in your deck instead of good cards, on the off chance they happen to be in your opening hand at the same time is actual magical Christmas land." Lol. Imagine having cards that actually synergize turn one being a thing. It's almost like that's been a thing forever.
meanwhile, i'm just here for the possibility of replacing arbor elf utopia sprawl ramp in Tooth and Nail
Well, now that we have another Collasal Dreadmaw I think it's time for a meme deck using all 3 versions and calling it Dreadfull or 12 Maw, or 12 Dread.
12Maw is the one
You could call it “too late” in reference to the flavor texts
It’s gotta be 12 maw. That has an excellent ring to it.
Okay..I agree 12 Maw sounds better... but Dreadfull identify how bad the deck is lol.
Man... I need to work out the ramp package version. And maybe a cheaty version.
We have 4 now! Just one is blue, there is the OG, Earthshaker, phantasmal, and now the dreadmask
Cheating turned out to be a problem in webcam Cedh tournaments. The webcam cedh turnout has dropped off by around half since there were multiple instances of cheating.
This caused irl tournaments turn out to keep going up, though.
Easier to cheat irl lol
@@TheEvolver311 I think Richard's point about online cheating being easier to catch is especially salient. People will point towards all of the cheaters being caught on webcam and use it as evidence that the incidence rate of cheating is higher in webcam. However, what's more likely the case, is that the incidence rate is similar in webcam and in-person, but the detection rate is way higher in webcam, resulting in more cheaters being caught.
Yep. On non-tournament web cam games. I have personally used the spree mechanic wrong BECAUSE I WAS LIED TO, And also drawn from the top with river song out because I forgot(started using a coin to keep track).
The fact there are no refs to explain or handle very large complex board interactions or people to explain things or ask causes tons of issues. Especially when someone who thinks they are right is very confident and argumentative.
@@jeffe2267
But cheating on web cam is very VERY high with no anti-cheat rules but very low with them.
Hardest things to catch would be.
Priority.
Stops.
Complex interactions.
False shuffling/pregame deck stacking.
Drawing from 2nd or 3rd etc instead of top deck (hard to tell on cams WHERE they draw from) I have used a deck with effects that let me essentially "fateseal" people every turn in a different way (totally lost +ransack effects+spy network) and had suspicious amounts of different cards being played.
The amount if people that dc then come back 3 seconds later with a wincon/answer.
Hand sizes being inconsistent each turn etc.
People will cheat.
Others will be banned for eating a chip/petting a cat and moving their hand out of frame etc.
I expect it to be VERY hard to not have 1/4th of people removed for breaking the rules.
@@jeffe2267
First off, I wasn't commenting on Richard's comments on the topic. I was commenting regarding what the OP said.
I didn't read the rest of your post given it was predicated on "I think Richard meant...." when again that wasn't what I was commenting in regards to.
Richard maybe we need a MTGGoldfish webcam tournament. If you build it they will come! I think getting decent value for entering is the key to making it work/worth it though.
I wouldn’t say they “corrected” the assassins creed games. More so that over the years, they kinda just fragmented the fanbase of the series between those that either prefered the older, more straightforward AC style games and the newer WC games that play like a typical open world RPG and isn’t even really about Templars and assassins anymore.
It definitely has that overall large silent majority on its side (the kinda people that’ll buy the latest version of the super popular games: Call of duty, sports games, Mortal kombat) but for actual entrenched people, you either LOVE the series or can’t stand what it’s doing anymore. It’s all very contentious
asscreed was never good, its been yearly AAA slop since 2007. the franchise has always been creatively bankrupt and embarrassingly simple in terms of gameplay and design and it even spawned a widely-used derisive term to describe its own poor game design. the games started incorporating those open world and "RPG" elements because at the end of the day ubisoft doesn't publish art they publish products. they chase trends and pump out slop like every other major western AAA publisher.
I liked Unity and Brotherhood. Yhe newer stuff, especially since the controls changed, never held my interest as much
@@seanedgar164 do you hold B to have the game play itself instead of A now?
Richard in one of the best moods ever. Sounds so happy to be playing competitively 🤣
I saw a dude playing sultai selfmill/dredge kind of deck that used stichers suppliers, gravecrawler, bloodghast, narcomebas and the ub zombie that revives itself as fuel for blue and black flares. It used the blue one drop adventurer fairy that the sorcery side mills too. So the deck had like a BUNCH of one drops plus self reviving creatures to fuel the flares, and finished with vengevines, which were easy to trigger with so many one drops. I dnt have a list but omg it looked SPICY. Its on pleasent kenobi video of UG tron.
Speaking of Charlie (moistcritikal) he cracked a serialized kozilek on his most recent stream.
he's hooked
Who cares
Richard comparing 2024 one piece to 2005 magic tournaments
Lowkey, as a disgruntled Magic Player it really does hit that kind of vibe.
I'm so so on Richard's side in terms of competitive paper Magic being able to be facilitated online. For all the reasons he gave - particularly wider format availability. Especially given the serious lack of RCQ/PTQs in my part of the country. Who knows, maybe there is hope for competitive paper Magic and the Judge program with people like Huey in the organized play dept at Wizards. Wizards and affiliates MUST be able to solve this set of problems; they are a billion dollar company.
Shit man, I had people angle shooting at the MH3 prerelease to win $20 store credit. To some people, fun is impossible.
Yeah lol Crim is right, people will cheat for a gumball.
To them cheating is fun🤷🏽♂️ people are so weird
Even friends I play with for fun have had a compulsion to cheat. Some people don't care/can't mentally handle losing at anything. The type of kids that would cry and quit when they became "it" during tag.
@@doodimgood yeah even I've had the temptation from time to time. Maybe I can pay one less mana for this card and no one will notice. It's just not worth it at the end of the day. Even if you aren't playing with friends, it's just a game. Everyone will most likely have a greater net enjoyment if you are honest.
"Angle shooting"?
richard has a very good point with online competetive play. i would play for fun in tournaments if its online.
I really like Historic as a format with power in between Explorer and Timeless. It’s where I can play my Ragadraga deck
The Nadu-Skullclamp Discourse!
I caught an opponent cheating at my mh3 prerelease. He mulliganed to 6 then proceeded to draw 8 cards and put 1 back so he would keep 7 then attempted to start gameplay immediately and I was like hold up how many cards in hand? Then he very quickly put one back. He knew what he was doing. No way I’m trusting a webcam lol.
What an absolute loser. At a prerelease of all things?! I would’ve ratted him out. 😂
Loosing to your old deck in a tournament is one of the best way to go out xD
As to Assassin's Creed, I very much will want some of the cards, but I also have no interest in buying 7 card booster packs. I think I'll just get singles, cause I don't want to bother with packs with 1/2 the cards for the same price.
Welcome back, Uro
1:01:41 Richard is forgetting that bowmasters probably also goes in the necro deck.
Guide of Souls combos super well with other energy cards from MH3 where you can drop it turn 1 and turn 2 make it a 3/4 flyer. May even get a lot of power on the field potentially if you chain an amped raptor into something else turn 2.
Would a leyline that keeps people from free casting spells be too broken? Like think, "Leyline of Nullification" 2 Gen 2 Colorless, start with it in play if it's in your opening hand. If a Player would cast a spell and no mana was spent to cast that spell, counter it?\
I had the same thought. While it would shift the metagame that seems pretty balanced.
@@samogburn2662 Maybe make it white instead of colorless so there's more restriction but honestly like.. I don't see how this would affect much else other than Scam/free spells?
@@allnightgamer792 That's true, I guess the bigger shakeups would be in older formats. Maybe be the reason wizards doesn't print this kind of leyline is because it would wreck vintage with all the moxen..?
Crim’s right that people will cheat but I’m with Richard - I think if you flatten the prize pool out enough and make it appeal to the masses it won’t matter. Couple that with harsh punishments for cheating and I think it’s a great idea
i like the idea of flare of denial with graveyard recursion like prized amalgom combo
Ive played way more Historic just cause every match up in Timeless was Show and Tell or mono-black necro
And Historic is actually a more fun format for brewing competive powerful decks while pioneer isn't
Right. I'm amused that they can't seem to figure out that Historic is a format without the super busted Timeless cards. And the Explorer card pool is just too limited to get me interested.
Actually, I made a Grixis Necrodominance deck for modern…. Turn 5 win! Deck list on moxfield against the odds…but I still win!
How is Richard saying cheating isn’t that prevalent when the guy who won 2 in a row with a deck that’s apparently luck based and THEN got caught in another tournament. This man has almost assuredly been cheating before getting caught.
Goldfish needs to host an online event for Modern/Pioneer
blue flare in dredge looked brutal. saccing narcomeba or the zombie for counterspells.
The second day of a prerelease look for the guy with too many busted mystics with a narcissistic attitude, some of those were from the day before
So what's the next commander episode? Test how hard it is to cheat? Cheating allowed if you can't get caught on camera.
Thanks for always making great content. These videos are a highlight of the week!
0:00 Intro
2:14 OP Tournament
21:15 MH3 Early Access
41:22 Assassin’s Creed spoilers
49:08 Moist Critical
54:30 Bannings
56:33 Fishmail
1:05:50 Outro
Hope to see some nut play nadu in a puresteel paladin deck just for why not and proceed to create value out of any equipment available. Remember those decks are still playing lavaspur boots out of Urza saga, which reads 1:trigger nadu. Otherwise, you can just grab a hammer and hit for 11+
Paymoney Wubby and Moist Critical are huge additions.... For Wizards. Hopefully they bring in lots of new players too.
AC Vahalla was my favorite so I'll definitely be buying Eivor for my boros equipment deck, but I don't know about much else.
don't support wotc printing new reserved list cards.
I think it's a bit early for the Nadu ban talk. The card is good, but this was prerelease weekend. Let's see how the meta adapts to the card.
However, it does help prove that Modern Horizons 3 is gonna be very similar to it's predecessors in power level. Especially since they pre-banned 20 cards in Historic and one in Pauper.
Old school players have been doing online paper tournaments for years. I think it's a great idea. It'd allow more people to play formats they enjoy with their paper decks they've invested in.
Since historic is basically empty, it’s a much less competitive format. It’s mostly people playing jank that couldn’t make it in timeless, but revolves around cards not in explorer (notably, quite a bit of alchemy, but not always). It’s a chill format for when I want to take a break from grinding but also I don’t want to play brawl.
I had 2 Nadu's in my prerelease pool. Went 4-0. Some games I had no business winning, but the bird carried hard. It is 100% ban worthy.
Tbh Prerelease never matter
How do you ban cards in limited?
In constructed, a 3 mana value card in a janky shell shell seems bad
@@cloudmane4159 lmao. That's why Uro completely dominated and crushed modern in the same colours... Because it's so janky...
It is different than Uro. Their trying to tell you Nadu plays with cards like Shuko while Uro played in goodstuff decks @@iLLiDaN30
@Botanick13 @cloudmane4159 Not talking about banning it in limited, but not letting it into other formats. I had barely any support for it in a limited pool and the card was unstoppable. And I'm not talking about some janky shell either (like running 4x Shuko is silly) - my point was that the card plays and feels on another level.
Commander Clash Fest does sound a lot of fun.
Play 1 v 1 Canadian Highlander! It can be super sweaty and the format is a blast.
Watching charlie open magic packs was genuinely one of the most soul-crushing experiences I've ever had in magic. It is tremendously saddening given his views on magic and its lore. Which is going to be the takeaway for his many fans.
Nadu just reads like another classic design mistake. As powerful as the effect is, the real sin is the lands entering untapped; I legitimately cannot fathom why they would do this, one would hope design would be able to identify how indefensibly pushed the text on this bird is.
Oh well, I guess that aligns with their vision for Modern. Screw balance, PUSH. THE. CARDS. FARTHER.
Yeah, a lot of people didn’t catch on to the “twice per turn” effect being tied to each creature but for me it was the lands entering untapped that i didn’t catch onto and that just makes it so much stupider
Guess they didn't learn from thrasios lol
Pretty sure they knew well what they were doing. Some designs can lead to unforeseen broken interactions, but this is straightforward enough they'd have thought about it ahead.
@@guico33Nadu is Uro but you can activate it TWICE for EVERY creature you control. Uro is banned in modern.
This is clearly a print for cedh.
Richard pretty much explained how remote duels worked for yugioh
The Assassinate frame makes MtG card looks like Flash and Blood cards 😂
Im here for the one piece tcg chatter🔥🔥 that game has some legs. I think it is synergistic to magic in many ways. cedh is based af but in the 1v1 classic formats i enjoy one piece over standard
Energy is looking really good i wish the eldrazi mdfc was green colorless instead of green blue would have been SOOOO much more synergistic
I love this podcast, thanks Mtggoldfish!!!
If you play for any prize at all mtg people get super sweaty and try to optimize. Im talking fnm, cube drsft, pre release...people cant just play for fun with a prize out there
That's not the point they were making. It's the expectation that people will play sweaty in a competitive setting. Prizes are a good incentive to get people to play in those events.
Nadu looks so f*ed up in legacy. Field of the dead + shuko = put half of your deck on the field and the other in your hand.
Emperor of Bones is absolutely busted. I've been reanimating Griefs and Furies at instant speed all day long.
in regards to the floor on what people would cheat for - I absolutely believe that people would cheat just to know they had the personal satisfaction of getting away with it.
Historic still deserves a place, imho. I brew some absolute jank decks with too many mythics and rares sometimes that I know I won't get a chance to actually try in timeless
I did not expect Ritchard to call me a boomer, I'm 25 and played a lot of Assassin's Creed back in middle and high school, played every game in the series up to Unity. Not gonna lie I kinda got fatigue from the series after that and kinda don't care about it anymore (that's just me tho), me back in high school would have absolutely loved this tho lol
It sounds to me like Richard and the rest of the crew need to arrange a free, or small prize, online modern/commander event. CodCon! Wait it's online, eCodCon! FishCon! FishECon?
Also you guys missed Embercleave.
I thought flare of denial was going to be best in merfolk too but I think generally it will only be great in decks with no-pressure durdly blue value creatures like coiling Oracle, ice-fang coatl and maybe even like spyglass siren
We had online paper tournaments here in Finland during the pandemic, but they have since died out.
Guide of Souls can snowball out of control from just my prerelease experience.
People who wanna cheat will cheat in person as much as on camera. So many cheaters get caught cheating on the absolute stupidest times, where the cheat doesn't even matter or is almost impossible to miss. My gut says the amount of cheating won't be markedly higher online, but they might get away with it a liiittle bit more often. Maybe.
We just got paper magic in person back and we're already trying to take it away. Its great people can play online but there are some people that do really enjoy going to an in person match.
Emperor of bones was the mvp of my prerelease won all my games because of him
Launch the Goldfish Digital Online tournament!!!
50:53 penguin used to play yugioh a decent amount. That was the game be streamed in the past.
AC will sell very well. Lots of good commanders already and video game magic cards have been very successful.
Not to mention, hype for new Game is strong.
Finally, someone gets Leyline of Sanctity’s power
I run a weekly Pokémon online tournament that uses the PTCGL online client. We still have people trying to cheat/rule shark and using bug exploits all the time for our small 200-300 player tournament with just virtual packs as prizing.
Seth says let's Talk about One Piece was not on my bingo card for the podcast!
Who would have thought, Necropotence is good in modern (even in its nerfed state)
My read on Assassin's Creed is, while a lot of people who like it, not many LOVE it. Fallout has a lot of people who love it, so it'll be interesting if just having a lot of passive fans is enough to sell the set.
Richard is so scared of bowmasters its hilarious. They don't always have the card and if they do so be it. You can't play scared.
Soo, mono black plays sheoldred and necrodominace, and with all that devotion also nikthos
Emperor of bones is the best card I opened in my prerelease. I won on a 2 mana land screw because of him
I had an opponent who opened 2 and he absolutely crushed me g1. We only ended up tying because he's a really slow player.
Guide of souls is just a Delver that flips when you play 3 other creatures.
The Goldfish crew could always do some sweaty 1v1 content - no cheating problem there.
I suspect Nadu will not get banned, but I do think it could lead to other cards being banned instead. Are there any things in Modern that bust it if you were to ban Shuko or some other Equip 0 cards? Been out of the game for about 10 years and just got back in over the last 4 months or so. As for Commander, it feels like Nadu is just another in a laundry list of strong Commanders/99.
WOTC can we please get some decent green cards in Modern. Six is a good start. Not multi colored cards, not mana dorks, some good green efficient cards like you have given to black in every set. If you can reprint necro you can reprint slyvan library:)
Crim saying that people will cheat for $0.25 is so accurate lol
Also, Charlie is king of the normies. He's going to bring a lot of people into the game.
none of those need banned though, they balance the format and help to push into bo3 which is a good thing for a high power format
There will be more historical figures in Magic, alongside some from Arabian Nights and a lot from Portal Three Kingdoms.
stop uploading at 6 am. I have to sleep soon
Some of us get up at that time sooo.... it's kinda perfect for day-shift people
Let them be. The world isn't just the states
Besides, it doesn't matter what time they upload it's gonna be bad for someone, so just worry about what time is good for them
You don't have to watch as soon as they drop lol
😂😂😂😂😂
penguinz0 X MTGGoldfish crossover when???? I'd be so happy
That could be huge for our lads. I would love to see this.
Richard said Nadu is bad. I think I need to buy all Nadu's available
Still standing by flare of denial being bad. Stop paying 20 bucks for it. Lol.
Personally I think that cheating is going to happen both in person and online but the difference is that online people can record their screen and more easily catch cheaters. So we're more skeptical of online tournaments because they more easily reveal cheaters when in reality it's straight up easier to cheat in real life but harder to prove so we're more comfortable with those events. We literally just prefer to live in a fiction than reality.
I like Richards idea though: harsh punishments and flatter prize pools and lowered participation rewards can really help make online tournaments a fun way for people all over to play their paper decks.
The assasin creed set bringing in historical figures brings MTG back to its roots. Library of Alexandria is already a card. This is Arabian knights part 2
You can't even draft the set tho that's what sucks. And it's UB. Was Arabian Nights the OG UB 😂
I understand there's a huge amount of cards to have to code into Arena. Wouldn't it just make sense for them to go all in on arena and aim towards getting all formats onto arena? It feels like Arena's full potential as an online client isn't being reached. As someone who didn't get into magic until Arena came out, I find it fascinating that they aren't doing more with it.
I for one would welcome a One Piece spin-off from you guys.
I know they run some webcam tournaments for unsanctioned things like revised 40 and they seem to go or at least used to go well.
What are the stakes though? People wouldn't cheat unless they are sufficiently incentivized.
I agree the AC showcase frame looks quite awful. Very generic and uninspired. I wonder how a creative director at WOTZ could give the green light to that. You'd think the company making the most popular TCG would have the resources to design something beyond mediocre.
Ral is low key the best one. Check spike's Ruby storm deck
I think crim is underestimating the reach of these kinds of things and how big of a number 1 million views is (which is where most of charlies videos end up in viewership on average, if we simplify a bit). People have parasocial relationships with these creators. If one out of one hundred people watching charly having fun with magic, decide to go out and buy magic product, which is completely feasible (just imagine 100 actual people watching charly opening packs. it doesn't seem unlikely at all that at least one of them will decide to buy some mtg for the first time in their life) then at 1.000.000 million views for one video, we're talking about 10.000 people actually buying something after watching. After ONE video. It's not 100. Stuff like this actually moves the needle.
I still play historic a bit, mostly to mess around with jank deck brews like boros meld
One piece is so much fun , I do love that they have the online tourneys but i wouldnt want to be in those. I like tourneys in real life but i do like watching the online ones
I don’t know how one piece works but I play on spelltable for magic. How can you look at your hand and not have your opponent see it if your hands have to be on the webcam the whole time? Maybe it’s just the angle of the webcam
If Historic didn't have alchemy cards I'd be more content calling it actual modern on arena while Timeless is much closer to legacy.
I think they should just have standard, exploreer as pioneer, Historic as modern, and timeless as vintage/legacy.