You say there is no connection between understanding and "This." Nonetheless, the questions and answers in this talk are so clarifying - if only in the dream. Thank you!
The me is threatened by everything........so perfectly put. The me has not completely disappeared here but has diluted to a significant degree. Any suggestions how to go about dissolving the rest would be much appreciated.
Regarding to radical non-duality, this is just an appearance without anybody being in it, so you won’t get any suggestions on what to do, from anyone who comprehends this correctly, since you are already not there, and not doing anything now, newer did anything, and not going to do anything in the future. Good luck.
@@ccr7712 You're right. There are no suggestions, methods, or pathways that are on offer here. However, if that's what your seemingly looking for, there are many teachers that offer practices that will allegedly give you a more fulfilled life of constant bliss. Ha ha. Good luck.
"all there is, is experiencing" is not a "personal teaching"...Experiencing for no one is what there is...(every word is of course one word too many) ...all of THIS (coin "it" whatever "you" like...) plus the thinking...but for NO ONE..."just what happens"...🙃
The body is that what is happening like everything else too. So when the „difference“ between the dreamed „Me“ or „I“ and that what happens is too big then this distraction may appear. So i guess this was the question 😉 The body acts but the Ego-I do not want to.
I don't get it .... why bother to talk to us , explain to the /a character then ?!... i mean I don't go around and talk to my or someone eles shadow because I know it's not real ....
It would be nice, if Andreas and all the radical Non-duality speakers would include in theirs intro, that anything they say can be incorrect, or even quite the opposite, since there is no one who would be able to know that. Just to acknowledge even the unpleasant facts regarding this message 😅.
I've heard Tony Parsons, Jim Newman, Rose Roes, and Andreas Mueller acknowledge that what they're sharing is not the "truth," dogma, or a correct concept that must be unequivocally accepted by the listener.
@@bonnieroberts1799the way they speak is misleading “ this is whole and complete , this is unconditional love, this is everything “ makes the listener feel, that they are presenting facts. More honest way to say it would be, “This seems to be, or this feels whole and complete”, etc. , but there is a possibility that it’s not, there is no way of knowing that.
@@ccr7712 I think they do use the words seemingly or apparently a lot which implies it's not factual. They also state that "this" cannot be known. Perhaps our interpretations of their words are different. I don't know.
Radical non duality. It's a concept that has some logic to it like any concept. It's an easy concept to defend because " there is nothing to defend" etc.. The concept developed from there is no separation...so of course all duality is an illusion. Simple right? There is no knowing because there is no knower..of course... no separation. Ya there is some logic to it... But does that make it true? ..sigh..there is no truth I mean, what I'm getting at here is there is not really any basis for listening to Andreas and not hearing anything other than another concept like all other speaking. And he might say..well this doesn't make any sense to you because you are a me..and...sigh. Radical non dualists say all talking is really just utter nonsense. Hard to argue with that. Hard to argue against that. Hard to argue for argueing... What i am getting at is ok, radical non duality, interesting concept, but still a concept. Just nonsense. Andreas is making a good argument for a concept. But it is nothing other than a concept. It seems the only proof of it would be some kind of Divine falling away of Self that doesn't exist. I mean, what im getting at, is you can see logic in this concept. But you can also see tons of contradiction in it just the same as Radical non duality points out contradiction in normal non duality. There is tons of contradiction in radical non duality. The answer is there is no answer. I know that i don't know. I know there is no i. Maybeee if when the self falls away if the apparent self doesn't contradict itself by going on to make a career of talking about the self. Maybe then it would be a concept with some apparent substance. Now listen to another concept. Maybe it sounds to "you" more like dualism. But also maybe it sounds less like contradiction. Maybe it sounds like i am trying to work this out in my mind...but...maybe not.. My concept... I feel special so maybe i am special. Not individually special, but no separation, One Divine Self special. It's Divine because it's too incredible not to be. One Self Aware. I still have a sense of individual me. I know i speak somewhat conceptually. But so does Andreas 😝 or apparent Andreas. I guess what i am saying is embrace and love and have compassion for your me and my me. Our Me, so to speak. It's all we really have in the Divine story.
Hi Karl, nicely said 👍. I agree with you on most of what you said, except that sometimes it isn’t just a concept, it’s an experience. To describe it correctly, it’s an experience without an experiencer / center. Person could call it experience with forgetting that it’s happening to him/ her. The question is, if that happens due to brainwashing your self in to it with constant repetition of, this is all there is, this is whole and complete, everything is this, there is no me, etc. , or maybe it can be considered mental disorder, or maybe it is the real nature of reality 🤷, unfortunately there is no way of knowing that.
@@karlskaret275 even if it is correct, as they explain it, it would be completely useless. It’s like stating the obvious, over and over. It’s what’s happening, it’s what’s happening, it’s what’s happening 😂. It doesn’t cause any peace of mind, happiness or anything like that, that’s just the way Tony Parsons presented it originally, since probably after his life long search he thought he finally figured it out, and it probably did made him happy for some time. But it obviously doesn’t last, I watched some of his newer videos where he is getting upset with some of the people who are asking questions, even as he claims he doesn’t see people but just appearance of bodies. But still gets upset 🤷. I am not saying that he is completely incorrect regarding how this works, but it seems like that he sugarcoated it to sell it better.
@ccr7712 I like you. You. It's nice to see you trusting yourself. Why trust "no why". Speakers speak a good game. There is some kind of sugar coating going on for people to accept all the contradiction. Speakers speak a good game, but the proof is in the pudding. They keep on speaking. There is no answer but they keep answering. There is no Self, but all they talk about is a Self that doesn't exist. There is no knowing, but they know all the answers to all the questions. But there is no me answering questions, and everything is an illusion, so all the nonsense makes sense. All the contradiction makes sense. Apparent gurus saying there are no gurus. If everything is an illusion, then the illusion is real? If this concept of no substance had any apparent substance, then it would not be spoken of. Seeing as there is no Self to speak of. ...but speaking just apparently happens... But it would not even apparently happen if there are no apparent speakers that apparently see there is nothing to speak about. That much is simple. The contradiction is real. There is no separation. There is only One. It is all a story. But it is a story that, with good reason, contradiction is confronted. That's Love. One Divine Self.
@@karlskaret275 Hi Karl, the explanations, and the language they use is definitely misleading, I am not sure why, if it’s intentional so most people won’t get it and will keep listening to them 🤷. For example, Saying that me does this and that, and then one minute later saying that me doesn’t do anything will confuse 99% of listeners, even if you add that that’s in the story, since most of them define what is a story differently. The illusory ME newer does anything, it’s just what’s happening when the illusory sense of ME is there. Why not say it like that ? Good luck my friend 👋🏻
what a show
hes excellent
Love the long videos. Thanks,
I love adreas's choice of shirts. Casual and very classy.
Great
I like his style too, doesn’t seem to try to impress anyone 👍
In the end, that’s what nonduality is all about. A damn good sense of shirts.
LOL
@@dawid_dahl😅
❤☺absolute freedom speaking, thank you Andreas, wonderful stuff!
wonderfully, awesomely, tragically, humourously absurd😂😂😮❤
☁️🌳Beautiful. Thank you Andreas 🪴
your fluid intake is exceptional Andreas, keep it up x 🍵☕️🍺🥛
Giggles
I just adore your talks. ❤ Thank you!
hahaha ❤ it too
❤love this message even though it destroys me or maybe because it destroys me 😂
You say there is no connection between understanding and "This." Nonetheless, the questions and answers in this talk are so clarifying - if only in the dream. Thank you!
Thanx 4 SHARING! 😂😂😂
The me is threatened by everything........so perfectly put.
The me has not completely disappeared here but has diluted to a significant degree. Any suggestions how to go about dissolving the rest would be much appreciated.
read rosie mallshalls response here 🎉 😀❤
Regarding to radical non-duality, this is just an appearance without anybody being in it, so you won’t get any suggestions on what to do, from anyone who comprehends this correctly, since you are already not there, and not doing anything now, newer did anything, and not going to do anything in the future. Good luck.
@@ccr7712 hahaha
@@ccr7712 You're right. There are no suggestions, methods, or pathways that are on offer here.
However, if that's what your seemingly looking for, there are many teachers that offer practices that will allegedly give you a more fulfilled life of constant bliss. Ha ha. Good luck.
there is no disolving. andreas talks about nihilism in which there is nothing to do
"all there is, is experiencing" is not a "personal teaching"...Experiencing for no one is what there is...(every word is of course one word too many) ...all of THIS (coin "it" whatever "you" like...) plus the thinking...but for NO ONE..."just what happens"...🙃
I think the last lady just wanted Andreas to agree with her statements, but when he did, she still wasn't happy lol
There's just "no pleasin" some ☺️
The body is that what is happening like everything else too. So when the „difference“ between the dreamed „Me“ or „I“ and that what happens is too big then this distraction may appear. So i guess this was the question 😉
The body acts but the Ego-I do not want to.
Beautiful ❤
Doesn't an appearance need something to appear on or in, which is sometimes referred to as this, no thing, consciousness, God, Mind...or Self etc????
Then there would be two.
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I don't get it .... why bother to talk to us , explain to the /a character then ?!... i mean I don't go around and talk to my or someone eles shadow because I know it's not real ....
It would be nice, if Andreas and all the radical Non-duality speakers would include in theirs intro, that anything they say can be incorrect, or even quite the opposite, since there is no one who would be able to know that. Just to acknowledge even the unpleasant facts regarding this message 😅.
I've heard Tony Parsons, Jim Newman, Rose Roes, and Andreas Mueller acknowledge that what they're sharing is not the "truth," dogma, or a correct concept that must be unequivocally accepted by the listener.
Last time I checked, this message was not nice.
@@KingJorman Yes, not nice or nice.
It includes Everything.
@@bonnieroberts1799the way they speak is misleading “ this is whole and complete , this is unconditional love, this is everything “ makes the listener feel, that they are presenting facts. More honest way to say it would be, “This seems to be, or this feels whole and complete”, etc. , but there is a possibility that it’s not, there is no way of knowing that.
@@ccr7712 I think they do use the words seemingly or apparently a lot which implies it's not factual.
They also state that "this" cannot be known.
Perhaps our interpretations of their words are different.
I don't know.
Radical non duality. It's a concept that has some logic to it like any concept. It's an easy concept to defend because " there is nothing to defend" etc..
The concept developed from there is no separation...so of course all duality is an illusion. Simple right? There is no knowing because there is no knower..of course... no separation. Ya there is some logic to it...
But does that make it true? ..sigh..there is no truth
I mean, what I'm getting at here is there is not really any basis for listening to Andreas and not hearing anything other than another concept like all other speaking. And he might say..well this doesn't make any sense to you because you are a me..and...sigh.
Radical non dualists say all talking is really just utter nonsense. Hard to argue with that. Hard to argue against that. Hard to argue for argueing...
What i am getting at is ok, radical non duality, interesting concept, but still a concept. Just nonsense.
Andreas is making a good argument for a concept. But it is nothing other than a concept. It seems the only proof of it would be some kind of Divine falling away of Self that doesn't exist.
I mean, what im getting at, is you can see logic in this concept. But you can also see tons of contradiction in it just the same as Radical non duality points out contradiction in normal non duality.
There is tons of contradiction in radical non duality. The answer is there is no answer. I know that i don't know. I know there is no i. Maybeee if when the self falls away if the apparent self doesn't contradict itself by going on to make a career of talking about the self. Maybe then it would be a concept with some apparent substance.
Now listen to another concept. Maybe it sounds to "you" more like dualism. But also maybe it sounds less like contradiction. Maybe it sounds like i am trying to work this out in my mind...but...maybe not..
My concept...
I feel special so maybe i am special. Not individually special, but no separation, One Divine Self special. It's Divine because it's too incredible not to be. One Self Aware.
I still have a sense of individual me. I know i speak somewhat conceptually. But so does Andreas 😝 or apparent Andreas.
I guess what i am saying is embrace and love and have compassion for your me and my me. Our Me, so to speak. It's all we really have in the Divine story.
Hi Karl, nicely said 👍. I agree with you on most of what you said, except that sometimes it isn’t just a concept, it’s an experience. To describe it correctly, it’s an experience without an experiencer / center.
Person could call it experience with forgetting that it’s happening to him/ her.
The question is, if that happens due to brainwashing your self in to it with constant repetition of, this is all there is, this is whole and complete, everything is this, there is no me, etc. , or maybe it can be considered mental disorder, or maybe it is the real nature of reality 🤷, unfortunately there is no way of knowing that.
@ccr7712 hi ccr buddy. Thanks for reading my treatise. 😆 Together, we'll figure this out 😉😊
@@karlskaret275 even if it is correct, as they explain it, it would be completely useless. It’s like stating the obvious, over and over.
It’s what’s happening, it’s what’s happening, it’s what’s happening 😂.
It doesn’t cause any peace of mind, happiness or anything like that, that’s just the way Tony Parsons presented it originally, since probably after his life long search he thought he finally figured it out, and it probably did made him happy for some time. But it obviously doesn’t last, I watched some of his newer videos where he is getting upset with some of the people who are asking questions, even as he claims he doesn’t see people but just appearance of bodies. But still gets upset 🤷. I am not saying that he is completely incorrect regarding how this works, but it seems like that he sugarcoated it to sell it better.
@ccr7712 I like you. You. It's nice to see you trusting yourself. Why trust "no why". Speakers speak a good game. There is some kind of sugar coating going on for people to accept all the contradiction. Speakers speak a good game, but the proof is in the pudding. They keep on speaking. There is no answer but they keep answering. There is no Self, but all they talk about is a Self that doesn't exist. There is no knowing, but they know all the answers to all the questions. But there is no me answering questions, and everything is an illusion, so all the nonsense makes sense. All the contradiction makes sense. Apparent gurus saying there are no gurus. If everything is an illusion, then the illusion is real?
If this concept of no substance had any apparent substance, then it would not be spoken of. Seeing as there is no Self to speak of. ...but speaking just apparently happens... But it would not even apparently happen if there are no apparent speakers that apparently see there is nothing to speak about. That much is simple. The contradiction is real.
There is no separation. There is only One. It is all a story. But it is a story that, with good reason, contradiction is confronted. That's Love.
One Divine Self.
@@karlskaret275 Hi Karl, the explanations, and the language they use is definitely misleading, I am not sure why, if it’s intentional so most people won’t get it and will keep listening to them 🤷. For example,
Saying that me does this and that, and then one minute later saying that me doesn’t do anything will confuse 99% of listeners, even if you add that that’s in the story, since most of them define what is a story differently. The illusory ME newer does anything, it’s just what’s happening when the illusory sense of ME is there. Why not say it like that ? Good luck my friend 👋🏻
hahahaha
it´s perfect - because it´s everything - boooom 🎈🎈🤍🤍🎈🎈