LOL | David Mitchell's Soapbox
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2011
- David Mitchell examines 'LOL'.
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David tackles text speak and the charming little innovation LOL. But will he be for or against the modern habit of approving a joke with the abbreviation?
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I acknowledge you have made a joke, and wish to express my enjoyment of it.
I acknowledge you have made a joke, and wish to express my understanding of it.
lol
@@headland4016 lol
@@dechezhaast lol
@@Afroninja2025 lol
That pig butler about bringing something to the table was unexpectedly good.
I would say it was expectedly good at best, but to each their own.
I AM UNFINE WITH SMILEYS
:)
*smilies
"never meant sarcastically"
lol...
OMG so true.
...
I was here pondering to myself how I use LOL to typically express a genuine outburst of laughter... Here YOU go blowing my mind further.
Only way I use it, really
"A waste of joke energy"- I must remember to use this phrase in conversation. And yes, I fell into his trap
Wha-... *has a mini panic attack*
I thought I knew David Mitchell... I was wrong.
+Jeremy Jones
Same!
Mind= blown!
He's nothing if not practical.
Yes or a seizure
Yes. Or an OTTER butler!
+Daniel Waxerely Yes! Or a Thompson's Gazelle butler!
+YouuuuuuTosserrrr IRTWYSTAMCBABYHYTSIYC
+George Rendell I expect that may be too specific to fall into general use.
+George Rendell Curses! The shame, the shame...
But wait-! What about a Mongoose butler?!
Oh, the wit on you! I think you've only gone and redeemed it! Well done, old chap. :P
"I would ask you to be a Bridesmaid, but of course you're far too fat. :)" FUCKING BRUTAL.
LOL is way too much, I use MIP = Mild Internal Pleasure
Talonades I'll start using it from now on
Talonades SALTS - Smiled A Little, Then Stopped
Lol :)
And thats ur a social freak
Hey that's what I use during sex!!
I really laughed out loud right at the end, well played mr. Mitchell.
So instead of just:
"Well we all know where you've been ;P"
I'm supposed to write:
"Well we all know where you've been. Oh and by the way, just to clear that up, that jibe that may have been considered rather 'bitchy' or 'insulting' was just meant in humour, and I intended zero offense by it in any way, shape or form. I hope this has not damaged our friendship too readily, and that we can continue to be friends."
No...
Lol
Something tells me David got rejected as a bridesmaid once. Poor David.
Lol.
No he was forced to be one. And he felt like a princess!
That last facial expression he does at 3:40 after he's finished talking, cracks me up!
Kids have started saying "LOL" in real life instead of actually laughing out loud. Which ironically makes me want to cry.
Worse yet, half the time they mean it sarcastically, defeating the whole point the word originally had.
I started saying lol ironically about 14 years ago and I can't remember when it became a part of my vocabulary. But is is now. At least I can laugh about it.
I've noticed that I've been slipping Lol and GG into my spoken vocabulary unironically. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
if they're saying 'lol' then it isn't instead of actually laughing, it's instead of saying 'most amusing' or 'very droll' or whatever else you'd say when someone says something kind of amusing which you wouldn't lol about.
Oh god my daughter does that and I hate it!
Smileys and emojis are useful because they convey more emotional information and context than you could otherwise garner from the internet or a text conversation. It's not that they're unique, it's that they're filling the niche left behind by facial expressions when you can't see someone's face.
Now we just need notes for intonation and stress.
you can do that with emotes but also bcreative use of punctuation and stuff if youre willing to push the envelope
@@Envy_May Certainly, but there are some gaps better filled by pictures. It's hard for me to imagine a better way to encapsulate the emotions expressed by 😤 or 😬 over mere text. They're efficient, descriptive, and easy to understand.
@@athenashah-scarborough858 - I disagree entirely with the 'easy to understand' part. Words are much better at expressing meaning in a way that is understood by most. Language has developed over millennia, with common understanding being it's focus. It's not perfect but it's the best communication tool we have. Emojis are, in contrast, a form of code, or 'secret' 'language', mainly employed by a certain subset of young people. They're a passing fad whose meaning is incredibly ambiguous, even to those in the know. Especially when more than one emoji is employed at the same time. That's assuming knowledge of the emojis used. Even those who use emojis frequently can't know the base meaning of all emojis. If there is an agreed base meaning at all. Never mind when a whole string of emojis are employed. For the vast majority of people they are essentially meaningless. Conveying little more than the impression that the emoji user is probably either very young, or desperately trying to be 'down wid da kids'. What's more emojis don't translate/display in most formats. For instance, both the emojis, that I presume you deployed, appear to me as the same asci character, rather than as emojis. If you frequent a particular website a lot and emojis are used there, then they can have some use there, in a cliquey, exclusionary type of way. For general communication, anything beyond 2 or 3 of the most basic smileys is redundant.
I think the distaste of smileys was less about conveying facial expressions and more about the stand-in they can have for "By the way, I'm being cheeky."
Thanks for creating this David, I enjoy your sense of humour its 101.
@pegasusepsilon We will treasure this information.
Damn David that IS where we are
David Mitchell is one of the few people who makes me LOL and want to describe it as such.
'Not bringing anything to the table...
Probably why he'd make a bad butler..'
LOL
I once received a message from a friend that one of his family members had died. I replied "lol" thinking it meant "lots of love".
I acknowledge you have made a joke, and wish to express my enjoyment of it.
That got an actual LOL from me. Very amusing!
I once read this joke. It was 15 years ago.
David Mitchell- A geeky Charlie Brooker
Charlie Brooker- A jock David Mitchell
Either way, you're both great.
"That's where we are." I appreciate this man so much. LOL.
I acknowledge that you have made an amusing video and wish to express my appreciation of it.
I prefer using heh as it's kinda like a diet lol.
I agree. Heh is more representative of the level of amusement usually signified by lol.
tom wagner
Always seemed a bit too akin to meh for my tastes, but it does have its uses.
Ironically, I find that I say "lol" to express that I noticed that something was a joke but didn't find it hilarious, and go for something like "hahahaha" for those times where I actually am laughing uncontrollably into my cupped hands in front of the computer.
Jack Eiler Why would you cup your hands? Release your laughter into the wild!
Exactly! Mitchell is full of shit.
I called it! I tend to agree with david mitchell's whining about language, and texts and phone usage. I have come to approve of "LOL" and thus I predicted he would approve of it in this segment XD (I wonder if we would approve of emoticons like "XD")
Once again David Mitchell makes a razor sharp and astute point that has made me rethink my stance.
I'm so glad this is back.
I've seen plenty of people use LOL sarcastically or maliciously, and most people I know use smileys in a pleasant, communicative way to clarify tone in the written medium, where tone is otherwise difficult to read in short exchanges.
+boiledelephant especially in the video gaming community.. so many times I can remember somebody attempting to flame a less skilled player with "LOL SO BAD" or simply LOL after they've made a questionable play. Its also very commonly used as a passive-aggressive expression when one does not wish to further an argument.
To be fair, I think its meaning and connotation has changed since 2011, which was the time when *David Mitchell*, a bit behind pop culture in the best of times, made this video.
Actually, David, I'm afraid lol is now (at least for me and my friends) used almost exclusively sarcastically, whereas "hahaha" or its even more frivolous variant "ahahahaha" are used to show sincerity. "Lol" is used as somewhat of a nervous twitch, a tag put on the end of a message to show it is intended to be lighthearted. Nobody in their right mind actually laughing out loud would write "lol".
***** Hear, hear! I can't stand that hipster bullshit. The only thing it's good for is as a sort early-warning twat-avoidance system, and I generally find that the ironically bad hairdos, buddy holly glasses, and airs of entitlement do that job just fine for me.
tom wagner It's more of an unconscious ironic thing. I don't pride myself in being ironic. In fact, it's just something I observed, that my friends never use "lol" seriously any more; they just use it to show awkwardness or something or sarcastically show that a joke really isn't funny. I'm not a hipster and I don't wear glasses, I just find it interesting to analyse aspects of language like that
Spandan Banerjee Didn't mean to seem like I was having a go at you, mate. I was just referring to the saying LOL out loud thing, which tends to be done by hipsters in my area. I'm sure that like the majority of people on a Mitchell video, you're an alright guy, even if you do say lol out loud. :)
Hahaha, fair enough, sorry for misinterpreting you
nobody ever who wrote "LOL" was laughing out loud. most people didn't in chuckle. all though they found it funny.
it is weird. you can think "oh yeah thats funny." answere "LOL" and in real life you didn't even smile.
(i personally use LOL mainly (in text form) if someone said something stupid that is stupid enough to be funny.)
"Not bringing anything new to the table" LOL
If you've ever sent an online message to someone in a game and get a reply in a foreign language, the smiley is a perfect "Ah don't worry, it wasn't anything nasty" reply.
Actually.
David.
1:25 "...never meant sarcastically"
"LOL, sure"
IRTWYSTAMCBABYHYTSIYC
I Really Think What You're Saying Takes Awesomeness, Monumental Courage, Bravery And Backbone, You Hold Your True Self In Your Comments?
Is that what that stands for? ^^
@@black_platypus exactly
Lawl
I loved the "brings to the table" bit, classic.
I approve of your humorous remark and I express my enjoyment of it.
"The pig is not bringing anything new to the table"
...bacon?
Yes or ham
From what I've heard chubbier girls are more popular as bridesmaids as they make the bride look slimmer by comparison.
If I ever get picked as a bridesmaid I will use it as an excuse to binge eat
Loll.
I have learned a new word.
Many thanks, Mr. Mitchell, for expanding my vocabulary.
LOL. I am indicating my approval of David Mitchell quickly and efficiently without any hint of sarcasm.
“And then where are we?”
In 2018 where there’s an Emoji for everything.
LSIMHBIWFEFMTALOL - Laughing silently in my head because it wasn't funny enough for me to actually laugh out loud
“The pig is not bringing anything new to the table, which is probably why he makes such a bad butler” 🤣🤣🤣 Sorry, I mean lol!
David Mitchell, you have genuinely changed my mind about the usage of the word "Lol"; lol!
I argue that emoticons (specifically the ones with facial expressions) are HIGHLY linguistically useful when used correctly. They denote tonality in written language, something that can be crucial to understanding the intent of the speaker.
Four Examples:
"Well, I'll be! Aren't you charming! 🥰" [light-hearted fondness]
"Well, I'll be! Aren't you charming! 😅" [second-hand embaresment]
"Well, I'll be! Aren't you charming! 🤨" [detached sarcasm]
"Well, I'll be! Aren't you charming! 😡" [out-right anger and offense]
Basically, you should be fine with smilies
LOL! Oh, I guess you're wrong, it can be used sarcastically.
+ytsejam6891 Yet I wouldn't have known that had you not explained it right after.
+Ashley Small Haha!
Was that sarcastic or not?
I Love the idea of writing lol sarcastically! Very good 'lol'.
LOL, love David Mitchell
Oh David, you have forgotten the first rule of being British, anything can and will be used sarcastically, yes including "LOL"
you dont say
kek
bur
nom
wew
gregheffly I know a guy that says kek in person, we mock him for doing this.
Praise it!
I finally realised why I love these so much, they are also written by John Finnemore.
I always make a point of chuckling audibly whenever I type lol
I've only used lol about three times in my life (technically 4 now) when pretending to find girls I am romantically interested ins text messages funny, I'm a haha person that gets longer the funnier I find it e.g. hahahahahahaha.
Samuel Woods twat
Haha is resurfacing but it means you don't find it as funny as hahaha
@@MaeLSTRoM1997 see 4 years on and I'd use 'lol' to do what you've described as I see 'ha' as more passive aggressive so I reserve that for when I want them to subconsciously know that 'I don't find this that funny or funny at all but I don't want to go any further than this current exchange'. Sometimes even _haha_ (specifically italiced) for funny-but-not-funny/dad jokes but I don't dislike the person saying it.
Then again it's too easy to overthink text
Pure Legend!!
Oh David. You bring me good lol's
this is so old, lol is almost always sarcastic
uhm.. lol no it's not.
I have seen it used sarcastically, but even then it still doesn't carry the automatic feeling of sarcasm that 'ha ha ha' or 'most amusing' do. I think that as long as there isn't any additional indication of sarcasm or other negative feeling, most people take lol largely as David described it.
Lol
There you go: coub.com/view/bxnso
David saying lol is now my text alert :)
I never thought I'd see a video made by David Mitchell named "LOL David Mitchell's Soapbox."
You are dead wrong about smileys! ;)
+The Grooviest Thing :3
c:
+Homini Lupus :V
YouuuuuuTosserrrr
:D
+The Grooviest Thing Ending a text with the two eyes emoji is the funniest thing.
But isn't LOL mostly just abbreviated lying? Otherwise I have trouble understanding how so many people would actually *laugh out loud* to the vacuous stuff people mostly respond to with it.
So, even if accepting the idea and the practical need for it, it is, at best, a huge misnomer, which I find good enough a reason for not supporting its use.
I believe that "lol" is most often used to signify tone, to "soften" the message and prevent miscommunication. It means, vaguely, "this isn't meant to be taken seriously." Responding with "lol" is just a way of acknowledging the sender's intent. Letting him know his message has been properly received.
+Shane O'Neal Exactly! So many people do not understand this concept, and it makes me want to strangle them lol. There's an example for you. The reason for this word is that it's hard to convey a light-hearted joke, explain something embarrassing or deal with an awkward situation without the use of body language.
Shane O'Neal
Apparently "haha" or a smiley is too difficult a concept for these people, then?
+blechtic Lol. Same difference. What do you have against lol? One character shorter than haha, actually. It's second nature, at this point.
In my estimation an lol is able to signify a slight smile as well. If the meaning is to become a strict 'laugh out loud', then a friendly 'ss' could signify a slight smile.
love you David.
I acknowledge you have made a joke and wish to express my enjoyment of it.
Try though he has David seems to have failed to grasp the nuances of usage of both LOL and :-), in the same way that Spock might fail to grasp Valentines Day. And how could he understand if he never uses them.
LOL is frequently used sarcastically, and smileys ARE useful communication characters which convey much more than "I'm only kidding". ;-) means "I am only kidding". FFS. In a digital landscape of, often, limited character use :-) is very useful in avoiding ambiguity, or clarifying intent.
Remember though, this was made more than 3 years ago; things change. However, I find that I still agree with him.
Exactly.
;) means I'm only joking. :) usually means I am genuinely smiling either at the person I'm writing to or at an idea or thought. There is no written equivalent of that so I would defend the regular smiley but agree with David on the ironic smiley- it's lame, if you didn't' convey the irony or joke in what your wrote, rewrite it.
D:
But I only use "lol" sarcastically
lol
"I mean God knows I'd never use it myself" ahaha
This made me lol.
I must disagree. I use 'heh,' 'ha," 'Ha!" 'pfft' and 'pffthaha' or some variations therof, which not only serves the purpouse of expression amusement without sounding sarcastic, but doesnt use an acronym and also lets me use a sliding scale of how funny I found it. 'Heh' for mild bemusement, 'pfthahaha' for an actual out loud chuckle or laugh.
インフィニチキウィ Some good points there. However. I think that "scuba" is an acronym but "LOL" is not. We must stand firm amigo.
ameagher2 I'm afraid that it has already become an acronym. Whilst playing a video game with my young nephew I had to ask him to stop saying the word. He was saying it repeatedly in response to my many mistakes in the game, often without the slightest hint of amusement in his voice. Also, I think that many people, myself included, read it as a word even if they would never say it out loud.
+ameagher2
it is.
i hear it all the time.
that last gag was fucking brilliant lol
Yes David, we must conserve Joke Energy!
Ah, the beauty of lol!
ROLF, or ROLFBSSMTT - Rolling on the floor laughing but somehow still managing to type. Like LOL!
this video was
very funny
most amusing
made me haha
lol
I think I'm fairly safe in the knowledge that this is the only video on youtube that talks about being "locked in an unstoppable spiral of naming animals that would make bad butlers for one another."
He's spot-on as usual. Where LOLers go to far, is when they comment LOLOLOLOLOL! What does that even mean?
Splendid fellow.
"Try harder to write unambiguously" The exact same can be said about lol!!!
Using a long sentence that in the end will still be ambigous because it could be ment entirely sarcastically is not the replacement for a word or shortcut.
I love it when we inexplicably agree and have an understanding of something.
i also vastly prefer lol pronounced as a word.
I actually agree with your contention of LOLs actual necessary use. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. FFS I'm starting to sound like David
I find "Hah!" fills the non-sarcastic laughter catagory but you run the risk of sounding like Mrs. Krabappel.
this video made me lol
Most amusing, mr. Mitchell. Lol.
This is hilarious now that lol is almost always sarcastic hahaha lol :)
Finally something David approves of. LOL.
In the situation at the end, a smiley will definitely soften the blow for something that probably needs to be said.
I share my commute with a few dozen schoolchildren. They seem to think LOL is a word. They use it often enough in their daily conversations.
This definitely came out a decade ago, cause "haha" is genuine and "ha ha" is sarcastic.
as an avid 'lol' user, I was genuinely surprised that David's actually on our side lol (especially since this was 12 years ago now)
lol is a last word when you run out of something to say
I spent ages being surprised at how affectionate one of my friends was in emails, because I thought it meant 'lots of love'. LOL.
This video is most amusing
I was so convinced that he was going to go off on a rant about how he hates "lol" :')
I agree. That's why I sarcastically use the term ROFLYSST (rolling on floor laughing yet somehow still typing) A smiley face shows you saw the humour in a comment without bursting into laughter.
I'M *UNFINE* WITH SMILEYS
There are just as good ways of expressing appreciation of a joke! It's called the laughing emoji
I always use ‘lol’ sarcastically lol
Keep em comin Dave (id) :-)
yaaaaay, no ad at the beginning!
In text I've found that "heh" works quite well.
Or an abbreviation of "Laugh out Loud", but yeah, that's good too...