Dumai’s Wells...the most bone chilling read of the male half of the true source. I feel like I can hear and smell what is happening every time I read that chapter.
And some people claim that Robert Jordan was over descriptive... Not at all, he paints everything in such a way that you can fully immerse yourself in ever scene. Imo
@@DanielGreeneReviews I am a die hard fan like you. I really want to ask you, if you have time to answer, a question regarding the channeling of one power. How do you visualize the one power being used? What is the importance of weaving the power with hand movement? Can the O. P be used without hand gestures? as the power always manifested from the movement of hands.
@@Jonasdad8840 If you've watched Dr Strange, that's how I view the use of the One Power but with different colours for each element. Just curious about how everyone else sees it.
@@thelmahannah1327 that probably means that people without hands will be unable to exhibit the one power, isn't it? When you mentioned Dr Strange, I understand your visualisation and it actually helped me....
Women "embrace" Saidar; men "seize" Saidin. (also, you should have mentioned the fact that women can link--and there could have been some mention of angreal/sa'angreal/ter'angreal)
Only women can initiate a link, they can then bring men into it, but men cannot link on their own. Though to be clear, it is better to describe them as 'saidar users' vs 'saidin users', since in at least one case, a woman could channel saidin.
@@derekwhittom1639 That was a very special case, one of the male Forsaken being reincarnated as a woman. Aginor or Balthamel, I can't remember which became Aran'gar...
as always, great video. have you considered making a video about foreshadowing in the wheel of time? i reread the series and i noticed some lots of hints from sentences and sections that i can only understand on second read. things like characters we find out were dark friends (such as Ingtar, Verin, and many others), specific sentences from prophecies that gets brightens only in the end and such. i think it's can be a pretty cool subject for a video, especially for those who haven't reread the series. *sorry for spelling and syntax mistakes, english is not my native language*.
Gandalfın Sakalı it's kinda not a huge deal... Maybe more spoiler, or spoil harder, hahaha XD... ... She's kinda not a darkfriend. Verin is so awesome. What an amazing person.
Watching this a year later and so proud of you I believe the first time I watched this you only had 5k subs. Now you’re at over 100k. Thank you for all the knowledge you spread about fantasy and pointing me in such a great direction for reading. You’ve turned me a non reader into a HUGE reader. Thank you
This was a fun type of video, I really enjoyed it! Just curious, is there any reason as to why you only choose to talk about the One Power part of the magic system? As apposed to including Tel'aran'rhiod, the True Power and Stedding/Ogier Singing.
In all fairness he does mention how complex the system is. Each of those topics could encompass an entire video of it's own, there's a lot of ground to cover in the series
One amazing thought occured to me... I am yet reading Book 5. THOUGHT now ..... :) All beings are connected with True Source in the Pattern. But, some of them can channel the One Power. That doesn't mean that others do not contribute to the Pattern of an Age. Everyone is considered by the Wheel of Time in its Weaving.
Thank you for this! For some reason, I have trouble picturing weaving when I read the books. I’m not sure if RJ meant it to be up to the readers or if he had a specific design in his mind.
Hey great video. One thing I think you should have mentioned is how women can combine their power to become more than the sum of their parts, but I suppose that falls under the adaptability aspect of Saidar.
Overall I enjoyed this video, I found it to be a pretty clear explanation of the WoT magic system. One thing I did notice, you talked about Aes Sedai hunting men who could channel and Stilling them, but Stilling is a term used for permanently severing a woman from the source. When men are permanently severed from the source the term used is Gentled.
Nope. You'd just be forced by the overnarrative or the pattern to become your 'destined' form. There are a number of contrived ways to do this, but they rely on stolen identity or Ta'Veren style rebirth of knowledge and ability. You also need that to happen 3 more times to make the contrivance adapt to the common circumstance of keeping you alive ... while learning to channel two or three different forms of magic without being killed or injured in the process of learning to control it. There are plenty of stories of hybrid users, but that comes at a significant dilemma to the purpose and role of the character in the lore. Are they there to break things. Or are they there to 'fix problems with the application of violence / hugs / pleasant words'. They undo the story by being more powerful and unable to be stopped, which is not a good character attribute. An unstoppable force is not liked unless they have some purpose or role or they start to break the reader/viewer's understanding of the world/author. And if you didn't have a former template character, you'd be recycled in the pattern on your untimely death to do it over again. It's a world built on the deaths of the most powerful trying to gain power. In the unlikely event of having both forms of magic, you'd be unable to discern the method of control of both systems, and either cripple one sense, or become a 'wildling', an untrained 'bomb' waiting to burn themselves out or draw in too much power to manipulate, without the sense to let go or the ability to let go, consciously or unconsciously. So while it's not impossible, the method to gain it would require a series of contrived interpretations of other people's memories and experiences to learn how to channel and manage two competing magic forces, and possibly the manipulation and abstraction of the synthesis of both. is this an interesting character ? nope. It's a contrived character that requires the story bend to make the situation work, and other characters to ignore the implications or benefits unnaturally. This can only work if it's under the 'fan-fiction' execution of story manipulation, since there's no positive in doing this. The person becomes a bridge to the integral character drama, nullifying the situation and creating an antithesis to the central thesis / conflict. They win by destroying the game board, not by competing or learning from the experiences. i.e. it's too Mary Sue.
can you make a video about some of the abilities in the Wheel of Time....such as the Sniffer ability... traveling....gateways.... the Way Gates...Skimming.... Tree singing.... (what was the Song that they were to find btw???)
dude, i'm in the middle of the great hunt now, your videos of tWoT are awesome, obviously I try to avoid spoilers, keep up the good work on the channel, even if it's a passion project.
Male and female, yin and yang. 5 elements instead of the usual 4 but i guess it didn't go kim moc thuy hoa tho (metal wood water fire earth). Substitute metal and wood with spirit and air. And the concept of going mad, sound like the interruption of the flow of qi or if they flow in the wrong way can cause madness. hmm, was surprise to see the yin yang symbol.
Great video! I still think that most of the power lies with men and Aes Sedai are considered suspicious at the start of the books (most of the rulers are male). I know that the books don't elaborate really on the weaving but I would have loved analysing more about using the source and the weaving is different between genders.
I Robert Jordan was careful to let us know that women had more power. Wisdoms could boss around the mayor, Cooks were threatening innkeepers and Morgase was queen of Andor, probably the most powerful kingdom in Randland (With the exclusion of the Seanchean and the Aiel). You also can't forget about the Aes Sedai.
Thank you for your comment! I think that in the life of small folk Jordan made life surprisingly well balanced for a medieval setting, like in Two Rivers the Women's circle and the Village council, but fitting to that timeline most of the rulers were male so I don't see that the power was centred on women. I think that he was really good on writing the perspective of both sides (not that I think there needs to be sides) so that both thought that the other had more power.
Nynaeve has the right idea about living the three oaths even if you haven’t held the path rod. One can still hold power while being bound to the truth. A true master can spin the truth without submitting to the father of lies.
The average Aes Sedai can walk into a random kingdom and start ordering the nobles around like an inquisitor, when you combine that with living for hundreds of years that's a lot of freaking power! Each Aes Sedai is basically like a Pope during the dark ages.
I think I'd be a wolf runner. Wolves are awesome. I don't really like the idea of traveling around with an army or "trying to stay afloat in a river of fire and ice." - > I can't remember what he says exactly.
i agree that wolf running seems cool but due to fact that, based on how i foumd his sections in the books, i would probably kill him within 2 weeks. Mat is my favourite character but being his second you would just be another human. As Daniel said, i would choose black tower without doubt, although... if you added lanfears concubine, i might be swayed
Hey Daniel, good video. I was wondering how you view the Aes sedai as we see them in the WOT. You mentioned about the tension between different groups of channellers, but generally speaking I always felt most on the side of the Aes Sedai, although I found a lot of the ‘tension’ irritating to the extreme and a bit artificial tbh. I always felt that the Aes Sedai, while obviously flawed, got WAY too much stick from basically everyone about being ‘scheming’ or evil, when they really could’ve been a hell of a lot worse. One of the reasons Mat (and Nynaeve for most of the series) annoyed me was because of this baseless, close minded bias/prejudice. I think some people found it independent or like he was sticking up for himself but most of the time his attitude towards them was churlish and stupid. I also never felt that any of the other groups of channellers were dedicated to the good of the whole world in the way the Aes Sedai were. They are “Servants of all”, after all. The other channellers were too insular. Anyway, would be interested to see you do a video defending the Aes Sedai if you agree with my sentiments. All the best.
Daniel Greene absolutely, though obviously they were pretty rigid about outside groups as well, I suppose I feel they were slightly more flexible than say the Aiel wise ones. I always found the Aiel too convinced of their own superiority. Found them even more arrogant than AS tbh. Also, I was wondering if you’ve ever thought about reading the Dark Tower series, starting with the Gunslinger? From watching your videos I think you may really enjoy them; I love WOT but the DT is one of my favourite series ever, and it’s got a truly fascinating antihero, of a sort, in the protagonist, Roland.
No way. I think you're too predisposed to give all respect to the magic users; as a fantasy trope. If you remember, Mat's view of Aes Sedai is how most of the world (being the common folk) view Aes Sedai. They'll use anyone they can; use them up without caring, and do what they do for their own reasons; which are seldom what they imply. This is a huge point to be made. when you think about it, the extreme reaction of the Seanchan was done to avoid being made puppets (even more a necessity as the Aes Sedai of old, across the ocean, were bound by no oaths iirc). All of which filtered into the dehumanization of damane over generations, but each step taken seems necessary in the moment.
It's simply illogical to not even want to learn more about their methods and their attitudes; to educate yourself when you have the opportunity. I can understand how most 'common folk' might be suspicious/automatically distrustful of the AS/magic users in general, but really Mat and Nynaeve should know better. It's lazy to continue to hold a prejudice towards an entire group of people based on ignorance and assumptions, when with a bit of clear thinking you could see into the reality of the situation (Again, i'm not claiming the AS as a whole are 'good guys' necessarily, just arguing against a blanket condemnation of them). It grew incredibly tiresome to see our 'heroes' (or protagonists, whatever you want to call them you're meant to sympathise with them), particularly Mat and Nynaeve, but Perrin as well and even Rand, bang on about how the AS will "use anyone they can; use them up without caring, and do what they do for their own reasons; which are seldom what they imply." That view, on the whole, was NOT supported by their personal experience of the way AS operate. Mainly they had contact with Moiraine, and while she was insistent, she never forcibly coerced any one of them into doing anything (persuasion is a different thing, and they all agreed to leave with her, so Nynaeve's griping about Moiraine being responsible for every ill that befell them once they left the Two Rivers, though initially understandable, grew more inane the longer she maintained it), aided people when she could, and showed basic compassion and care for the world as a a whole. Of course she could seem cold, or ruthless, or dismissive (some of these characteristics were definitely flaws, just not to the extent they were portrayed), and she kept a little too much to herself, and they were right to press her for details, but on the whole she treated them with all possible care under the circumstances. Regarding your second point. I despise any justification (even a half-hearted pseudo-justification like the one you suggest above) for the Seanchan attitude towards channellers and AS; each small step limiting the freedom of an entire group is only 'necessary in the moment' if you care nothing for civil liberty. What the Seanchan did was far worse than anything the AS came even remotely close to considering. The Seanchan were simply power hungry and recognised channellers as a useful weapon, and also recognised that there would be public support for the demonisation and scapegoating of a feared minority group. It's the same old story of oppression, subjugation and exploitation i'm afraid, and there's no justification for it; as soon as you become an apologist for even the theoretical motive behind the slavery, you bring the idea into the realm of possibility in your mind.
If someone already mentioned this then I apologize for repeating. You forgot to mention the differences in how the power is used, such as men extinguish fire by sucking up the heat while women channel it into something else, if a woman tried to do this the mans way she gets to know the pleasure of SHC with herself as the human in that equation. A man opens a gateway by punching a hole in the pattern and stepping through, a women by making two places similar until the gateway opens, if a man tries the women's method nothing happens but if a woman tries the mans way it is mentioned that it will cause a hole to open that will suck the woman in and while no one knows where she will go they do know they will never see her again.
I've never heard it pronounced how you say it (there are other words in different videos that you pronounce differently as well but it's not like any of it matters haha), I thought it was pronounced 'sigh-dar' and 'sigh-deen' 🤔
After 10 books of the Malazan series, I still didn’t have the best grip of that magic system. I need to check out this Lightbringer series as well as finally giving TWoT a shot. I tried the graphic novel but it didn’t draw me in.
i read book 1-13 back in the summer of 2012 and now i don't remember much but want to finish the series but don't want to have to reinvest in reading 1-13
Queens are more common than Kings? Shinar, Arafell, Arad Domon, Illian, Amadicia, Cairhien, Murandy all had Kings. Lan is the king of Malkier.and Tear used to have a king but now the High Lord's rule in his stead.
I only just finish the second book but I watched another spoiler free video about the magic system in it the speaker said you could use the one power to have a transformation similar to super saiyain. is that true and if so how does that work?
I'm currently reading "The Eye of the World." What I understand about the magic system so far is that it is what you would get if you filtered The Force from "Star Wars" through the mind of a gender-essentialist youth-pastor who also happened to also be a big fan of "Avatar: The Last Airbender."
I love WOT magic system. only thing I'd definitely remove from it is ability to BLOCK channeling!!!! OMG!!! I know it's a plot device, but things could be so much more interesting and fun if there is no blocking and channelers have to battle each time or find some other way. for a magic heavy world, characters surely don't use magic enough in my opinion.
[Spoilers] Would your consider a spoiler explanation that includes things like the True power, Angreal, and some of the other culture's us of the one power and channelers in general?
I would argue that saidar itself is stronger than saidin, but it is balanced by the fact that saidin must be coerced, whereas saidar cannot be, so that the strength of the effects of a saidin user is dependent on how much they can draw and how willful they are, whereas the strength of the effects of a saidar user is dependent on how much saidar they can draw and their skill in producing weaves. It is implied strongly that the strongest women are a match for the strongest men, even though the men can wield a larger amount of the power. Also, saidar is more effective in the hands of a woman than saidin is, and saidin is more effective in the hands of a man than saidar is. Having both together is still better than having each separately, of course.
To kinda visualize the strength vs dexterity difference between men and women, let's compare it to wielding a sword. Men can swing their sword and fell a tree in one blow. Women however can cut an arrow in half mid flight.
You could say which groups can channel: Aes Sedai, Asha'man, Wise Ones, The Kin, Windfinders, Damane, Dreadlords, The Forsaken, Sharan, The people from Tremalking and the True Power channeled by The Dark One, Forsaken and Rand.
Just realized the WOT magic system is an modern gender SJW nightmare. Except ofcourse the part where men aren't allowed to use it and are literally killed if they do. They would love that part. Hilarious if you think about it.
It's funny because I sometimes describe this magic system to people who don't know the series, and some of them reply that it was 'misandry' or 'feminist propaganda'. But a further reading proves that one of the strongest messages of the series is the complementarity between men and women and the fact that they win only when they ally. As a feminist, I love that part :D
@Sergio Anoba wtf are you even talking about? How do you know what I've read and haven't read? You're making assumptions based on one sentence I wrote. Why would I even be looking at and commenting on WoT videos if I hadn't read the books? You sir are truly an idiot.
Lost me after your opening statement. Clearly, you have never read any Malazan book. The fact you also still only have small paperbacks of TWOT shows you aren't a real fan.
Do think you could keep this series going? Explaining Magic Systems, I mean? It'd be kinda helpful to see these again
Dumai’s Wells...the most bone chilling read of the male half of the true source. I feel like I can hear and smell what is happening every time I read that chapter.
And some people claim that Robert Jordan was over descriptive...
Not at all, he paints everything in such a way that you can fully immerse yourself in ever scene. Imo
gotta say since i found your channel like 2 months ago, you have become one of my favorites to watch mate
Re reading (listening) WoT, found you looking up lore stuff. Definitely subbed. Keep it up man!
Great video. You always provided clear and thorough explanations for lore, character, or in this case magic systems. Keep up the good work.
He did it he said randland
You win again Paul Plantosar....
Daniel Greene it was inevitable
@@DanielGreeneReviews I am a die hard fan like you. I really want to ask you, if you have time to answer, a question regarding the channeling of one power. How do you visualize the one power being used? What is the importance of weaving the power with hand movement? Can the O. P be used without hand gestures? as the power always manifested from the movement of hands.
@@Jonasdad8840 If you've watched Dr Strange, that's how I view the use of the One Power but with different colours for each element. Just curious about how everyone else sees it.
@@thelmahannah1327 that probably means that people without hands will be unable to exhibit the one power, isn't it? When you mentioned Dr Strange, I understand your visualisation and it actually helped me....
Congratulations on 5k.
Thank you :)
@@DanielGreeneReviews 5k before 3 years and now 294k 👍 idk if u will read this lol
The video we have all been waiting for.
Great overview! I’ve definitely described the power as a drug to people so it was validating to hear you say something similar hear 😊
Women "embrace" Saidar; men "seize" Saidin.
(also, you should have mentioned the fact that women can link--and there could have been some mention of angreal/sa'angreal/ter'angreal)
all Aes Sedai can link not only women even if they are of opposite gender
Only women can initiate a link, they can then bring men into it, but men cannot link on their own.
Though to be clear, it is better to describe them as 'saidar users' vs 'saidin users', since in at least one case, a woman could channel saidin.
@@derekwhittom1639 That was a very special case, one of the male Forsaken being reincarnated as a woman. Aginor or Balthamel, I can't remember which became Aran'gar...
This guy is an idiot and has no clue about TWOT.
@@josephmort4039 Balthamel.
as always, great video.
have you considered making a video about foreshadowing in the wheel of time? i reread the series and i noticed some lots of hints from sentences and sections that i can only understand on second read. things like characters we find out were dark friends (such as Ingtar, Verin, and many others), specific sentences from prophecies that gets brightens only in the end and such.
i think it's can be a pretty cool subject for a video, especially for those who haven't reread the series.
*sorry for spelling and syntax mistakes, english is not my native language*.
Have not thought about it, certainly open to it :)
Im on the book 3 and you just spoiled me hard by saying that Verin is a dark friend.Daniel please tell me its not a big deal i feel REALLY bad now.
Thanl god i didnt read the rest of it.
Gandalfın Sakalı it's kinda not a huge deal...
Maybe more spoiler, or spoil harder, hahaha XD...
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She's kinda not a darkfriend. Verin is so awesome. What an amazing person.
Twiggie Leon that kinda balanced it for me actually. But still ,stop with spoilers.
Watching this a year later and so proud of you I believe the first time I watched this you only had 5k subs. Now you’re at over 100k. Thank you for all the knowledge you spread about fantasy and pointing me in such a great direction for reading. You’ve turned me a non reader into a HUGE reader. Thank you
This was a fun type of video, I really enjoyed it!
Just curious, is there any reason as to why you only choose to talk about the One Power part of the magic system? As apposed to including Tel'aran'rhiod, the True Power and Stedding/Ogier Singing.
In all fairness he does mention how complex the system is. Each of those topics could encompass an entire video of it's own, there's a lot of ground to cover in the series
Hey can you do a faction analysis of WoT next?
Oh man there is so many to go into. Maybe when I get more free time. That requires time.
@@DanielGreeneReviews It will *definitely* be worth the wait 😉
One amazing thought occured to me... I am yet reading Book 5.
THOUGHT now ..... :)
All beings are connected with True Source in the Pattern. But, some of them can channel the One Power. That doesn't mean that others do not contribute to the Pattern of an Age.
Everyone is considered by the Wheel of Time in its Weaving.
Thank you for this! For some reason, I have trouble picturing weaving when I read the books. I’m not sure if RJ meant it to be up to the readers or if he had a specific design in his mind.
Haku infinite Hahaha I made that comment when I first started the series. I’ve finished it now and have a better picture
Can you please do a full spoiler version, covering true source, steddings and other connections to the magic system?
Hey great video. One thing I think you should have mentioned is how women can combine their power to become more than the sum of their parts, but I suppose that falls under the adaptability aspect of Saidar.
Overall I enjoyed this video, I found it to be a pretty clear explanation of the WoT magic system. One thing I did notice, you talked about Aes Sedai hunting men who could channel and Stilling them, but Stilling is a term used for permanently severing a woman from the source. When men are permanently severed from the source the term used is Gentled.
Fantastic video. Coolest magic system everrrrr.
Really good explanination! 👍
Awesome! glad this is spoiler free
If I'm nonbinary, can I use both saidin and saidar?
Nope. You'd just be forced by the overnarrative or the pattern to become your 'destined' form.
There are a number of contrived ways to do this, but they rely on stolen identity or Ta'Veren style rebirth of knowledge and ability. You also need that to happen 3 more times to make the contrivance adapt to the common circumstance of keeping you alive ... while learning to channel two or three different forms of magic without being killed or injured in the process of learning to control it.
There are plenty of stories of hybrid users, but that comes at a significant dilemma to the purpose and role of the character in the lore. Are they there to break things. Or are they there to 'fix problems with the application of violence / hugs / pleasant words'. They undo the story by being more powerful and unable to be stopped, which is not a good character attribute. An unstoppable force is not liked unless they have some purpose or role or they start to break the reader/viewer's understanding of the world/author.
And if you didn't have a former template character, you'd be recycled in the pattern on your untimely death to do it over again. It's a world built on the deaths of the most powerful trying to gain power. In the unlikely event of having both forms of magic, you'd be unable to discern the method of control of both systems, and either cripple one sense, or become a 'wildling', an untrained 'bomb' waiting to burn themselves out or draw in too much power to manipulate, without the sense to let go or the ability to let go, consciously or unconsciously.
So while it's not impossible, the method to gain it would require a series of contrived interpretations of other people's memories and experiences to learn how to channel and manage two competing magic forces, and possibly the manipulation and abstraction of the synthesis of both.
is this an interesting character ? nope. It's a contrived character that requires the story bend to make the situation work, and other characters to ignore the implications or benefits unnaturally.
This can only work if it's under the 'fan-fiction' execution of story manipulation, since there's no positive in doing this. The person becomes a bridge to the integral character drama, nullifying the situation and creating an antithesis to the central thesis / conflict. They win by destroying the game board, not by competing or learning from the experiences.
i.e. it's too Mary Sue.
can you make a video about some of the abilities in the Wheel of Time....such as the Sniffer ability... traveling....gateways.... the Way Gates...Skimming.... Tree singing.... (what was the Song that they were to find btw???)
dude, i'm in the middle of the great hunt now, your videos of tWoT are awesome, obviously I try to avoid spoilers, keep up the good work on the channel, even if it's a passion project.
In prepare on listening to the audiobook of the wheel of time, I guess it is the time to start watching all these videos.
Male and female, yin and yang. 5 elements instead of the usual 4 but i guess it didn't go kim moc thuy hoa tho (metal wood water fire earth). Substitute metal and wood with spirit and air. And the concept of going mad, sound like the interruption of the flow of qi or if they flow in the wrong way can cause madness. hmm, was surprise to see the yin yang symbol.
Great video! I still think that most of the power lies with men and Aes Sedai are considered suspicious at the start of the books (most of the rulers are male). I know that the books don't elaborate really on the weaving but I would have loved analysing more about using the source and the weaving is different between genders.
I Robert Jordan was careful to let us know that women had more power. Wisdoms could boss around the mayor, Cooks were threatening innkeepers and Morgase was queen of Andor, probably the most powerful kingdom in Randland (With the exclusion of the Seanchean and the Aiel). You also can't forget about the Aes Sedai.
Thank you for your comment! I think that in the life of small folk Jordan made life surprisingly well balanced for a medieval setting, like in Two Rivers the Women's circle and the Village council, but fitting to that timeline most of the rulers were male so I don't see that the power was centred on women. I think that he was really good on writing the perspective of both sides (not that I think there needs to be sides) so that both thought that the other had more power.
Nynaeve has the right idea about living the three oaths even if you haven’t held the path rod. One can still hold power while being bound to the truth. A true master can spin the truth without submitting to the father of lies.
The average Aes Sedai can walk into a random kingdom and start ordering the nobles around like an inquisitor, when you combine that with living for hundreds of years that's a lot of freaking power! Each Aes Sedai is basically like a Pope during the dark ages.
If you could choose would you pick to be a wolf runner with Perrin, a one power wielder with Rand, or Mats 2nd in his army?
Black tower all day every day.
I think I'd be a wolf runner. Wolves are awesome. I don't really like the idea of traveling around with an army or "trying to stay afloat in a river of fire and ice." - > I can't remember what he says exactly.
Logain’s homeboy for sure. Wolfbro is cool and Matt is my favorite character for sure but if there is a choice...Asha’man for life.
Mat.
i agree that wolf running seems cool but due to fact that, based on how i foumd his sections in the books, i would probably kill him within 2 weeks.
Mat is my favourite character but being his second you would just be another human.
As Daniel said, i would choose black tower without doubt, although... if you added lanfears concubine, i might be swayed
Also the woman's ability to link more than the men does help keep the balance between the two side of the one power ;)
love this video! cant get into the vs videos. I only read WOT and ASOIF so you lose me.
Channelling is semi hard/soft
Dream walking and the wolf brother stuff and Min's visions are all harder, by definition
Perrin-oid.
Hey Daniel, good video. I was wondering how you view the Aes sedai as we see them in the WOT. You mentioned about the tension between different groups of channellers, but generally speaking I always felt most on the side of the Aes Sedai, although I found a lot of the ‘tension’ irritating to the extreme and a bit artificial tbh.
I always felt that the Aes Sedai, while obviously flawed, got WAY too much stick from basically everyone about being ‘scheming’ or evil, when they really could’ve been a hell of a lot worse. One of the reasons Mat (and Nynaeve for most of the series) annoyed me was because of this baseless, close minded bias/prejudice. I think some people found it independent or like he was sticking up for himself but most of the time his attitude towards them was churlish and stupid.
I also never felt that any of the other groups of channellers were dedicated to the good of the whole world in the way the Aes Sedai were. They are “Servants of all”, after all. The other channellers were too insular.
Anyway, would be interested to see you do a video defending the Aes Sedai if you agree with my sentiments. All the best.
To me, they are a very corrupt flawed group, but they have the best intentions as a whole, and generally are a very positive force in the world.
Daniel Greene absolutely, though obviously they were pretty rigid about outside groups as well, I suppose I feel they were slightly more flexible than say the Aiel wise ones. I always found the Aiel too convinced of their own superiority. Found them even more arrogant than AS tbh.
Also, I was wondering if you’ve ever thought about reading the Dark Tower series, starting with the Gunslinger?
From watching your videos I think you may really enjoy them; I love WOT but the DT is one of my favourite series ever, and it’s got a truly fascinating antihero, of a sort, in the protagonist, Roland.
No way. I think you're too predisposed to give all respect to the magic users; as a fantasy trope. If you remember, Mat's view of Aes Sedai is how most of the world (being the common folk) view Aes Sedai. They'll use anyone they can; use them up without caring, and do what they do for their own reasons; which are seldom what they imply.
This is a huge point to be made. when you think about it, the extreme reaction of the Seanchan was done to avoid being made puppets (even more a necessity as the Aes Sedai of old, across the ocean, were bound by no oaths iirc). All of which filtered into the dehumanization of damane over generations, but each step taken seems necessary in the moment.
It's simply illogical to not even want to learn more about their methods and their attitudes; to educate yourself when you have the opportunity. I can understand how most 'common folk' might be suspicious/automatically distrustful of the AS/magic users in general, but really Mat and Nynaeve should know better. It's lazy to continue to hold a prejudice towards an entire group of people based on ignorance and assumptions, when with a bit of clear thinking you could see into the reality of the situation (Again, i'm not claiming the AS as a whole are 'good guys' necessarily, just arguing against a blanket condemnation of them).
It grew incredibly tiresome to see our 'heroes' (or protagonists, whatever you want to call them you're meant to sympathise with them), particularly Mat and Nynaeve, but Perrin as well and even Rand, bang on about how the AS will "use anyone they can; use them up without caring, and do what they do for their own reasons; which are seldom what they imply."
That view, on the whole, was NOT supported by their personal experience of the way AS operate. Mainly they had contact with Moiraine, and while she was insistent, she never forcibly coerced any one of them into doing anything (persuasion is a different thing, and they all agreed to leave with her, so Nynaeve's griping about Moiraine being responsible for every ill that befell them once they left the Two Rivers, though initially understandable, grew more inane the longer she maintained it), aided people when she could, and showed basic compassion and care for the world as a a whole.
Of course she could seem cold, or ruthless, or dismissive (some of these characteristics were definitely flaws, just not to the extent they were portrayed), and she kept a little too much to herself, and they were right to press her for details, but on the whole she treated them with all possible care under the circumstances.
Regarding your second point. I despise any justification (even a half-hearted pseudo-justification like the one you suggest above) for the Seanchan attitude towards channellers and AS; each small step limiting the freedom of an entire group is only 'necessary in the moment' if you care nothing for civil liberty. What the Seanchan did was far worse than anything the AS came even remotely close to considering. The Seanchan were simply power hungry and recognised channellers as a useful weapon, and also recognised that there would be public support for the demonisation and scapegoating of a feared minority group. It's the same old story of oppression, subjugation and exploitation i'm afraid, and there's no justification for it; as soon as you become an apologist for even the theoretical motive behind the slavery, you bring the idea into the realm of possibility in your mind.
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to think i assumed no one would ever make this connection publicly
really miss this intro
The Dark Taint is very present in this series eh lad XD
If someone already mentioned this then I apologize for repeating. You forgot to mention the differences in how the power is used, such as men extinguish fire by sucking up the heat while women channel it into something else, if a woman tried to do this the mans way she gets to know the pleasure of SHC with herself as the human in that equation. A man opens a gateway by punching a hole in the pattern and stepping through, a women by making two places similar until the gateway opens, if a man tries the women's method nothing happens but if a woman tries the mans way it is mentioned that it will cause a hole to open that will suck the woman in and while no one knows where she will go they do know they will never see her again.
I always thought the magic system in the Kingkiller Chronicles was pretty complex too
I've never heard it pronounced how you say it (there are other words in different videos that you pronounce differently as well but it's not like any of it matters haha), I thought it was pronounced 'sigh-dar' and 'sigh-deen' 🤔
Doesn't sound as the most complex magic system to me. Have you ever heard of NEN?
After 10 books of the Malazan series, I still didn’t have the best grip of that magic system. I need to check out this Lightbringer series as well as finally giving TWoT a shot. I tried the graphic novel but it didn’t draw me in.
And thus Goblin king was born.
i read book 1-13 back in the summer of 2012 and now i don't remember much but want to finish the series but don't want to have to reinvest in reading 1-13
He did a summarized series, a video for every book for all WoT.
thanks! ill check them out
Queens are more common than Kings? Shinar, Arafell, Arad Domon, Illian, Amadicia, Cairhien, Murandy all had Kings. Lan is the king of Malkier.and Tear used to have a king but now the High Lord's rule in his stead.
I only just finish the second book but I watched another spoiler free video about the magic system in it the speaker said you could use the one power to have a transformation similar to super saiyain. is that true and if so how does that work?
I'm currently reading "The Eye of the World." What I understand about the magic system so far is that it is what you would get if you filtered The Force from "Star Wars" through the mind of a gender-essentialist youth-pastor who also happened to also be a big fan of "Avatar: The Last Airbender."
oh my goodness this is perfect
can you do more spoiler free WOT videos? I absolutely love your videos but I cant watch most of the WOT videos because I am only on book 5
Marty Lemon I'm on book 5 also😂
I've been trying to read every chance I get to catch up so I can watch everything 😪
Hey, I just finished book 4 at around 11:35 (in the morning) and I am 60 pages through the 5th.
Such an amazing series!!!
How is it so far?
You won't be unimpressed by the end.
Should do a spoiler filled onr
the sickening filth of the taint.
#taintjokes
What's with the red and black board-like things in the back?
I love WOT magic system. only thing I'd definitely remove from it is ability to BLOCK channeling!!!!
OMG!!! I know it's a plot device, but things could be so much more interesting and fun if there is no blocking and channelers have to battle each time or find some other way. for a magic heavy world, characters surely don't use magic enough in my opinion.
Influenced the geography of the world. That's one way to look at it.
What is a city busser?
Oh, a city buster!
Yesssssss!😊
[Spoilers] Would your consider a spoiler explanation that includes things like the True power, Angreal, and some of the other culture's us of the one power and channelers in general?
Absolutely! I’m the future for sure.
Taint jokes? Huh? Oh I get it! Taint this taint that. What a clever laddy, the Dark Lord should open his taint with a linoleum knife.
This feels a lot like Claymore.
dude, have you read "Lord of Mysteries"? It probably has the best and most unique magic system in the whole fiction world.
Malazan BOTF or WOT ? Idk :(
You didn't even cover linking or angreal, or sa'angreal or ter'angreal...I didn't really consider how much there was going on in the WoT magic system.
I would argue that saidar itself is stronger than saidin, but it is balanced by the fact that saidin must be coerced, whereas saidar cannot be, so that the strength of the effects of a saidin user is dependent on how much they can draw and how willful they are, whereas the strength of the effects of a saidar user is dependent on how much saidar they can draw and their skill in producing weaves. It is implied strongly that the strongest women are a match for the strongest men, even though the men can wield a larger amount of the power. Also, saidar is more effective in the hands of a woman than saidin is, and saidin is more effective in the hands of a man than saidar is. Having both together is still better than having each separately, of course.
If you think that that is the most complex magic is that one, u really have not read the cosmere.
A little point of currection Daniel: Men are gentled while women are stilled.
Purple Ajah™
To kinda visualize the strength vs dexterity difference between men and women, let's compare it to wielding a sword.
Men can swing their sword and fell a tree in one blow.
Women however can cut an arrow in half mid flight.
He said driven mad by the taint 😂
Say fellas, have you heard of any good taint jokes lately.
I’ll go first
Why is the taint called your taint? because it taint your nuts and it taint your ass.
The taint just skims the surface...
Men can learn to be as dexterous as women and can be extremely potent
You could say which groups can channel:
Aes Sedai, Asha'man, Wise Ones, The Kin, Windfinders, Damane, Dreadlords, The Forsaken, Sharan, The people from Tremalking and the True Power channeled by The Dark One, Forsaken and Rand.
The term you are looking for is "gentled", not "stilled". Same thing but for men.
Cliff Note version: it's a rip off of Wiccan magic and/or Captain Planet.
Gentled not stilled, stilled is only if a woman is pacified I’m pretty sure
Very nice however men are not stilled, but gentled.
Man, this magic system sucks.
Just realized the WOT magic system is an modern gender SJW nightmare. Except ofcourse the part where men aren't allowed to use it and are literally killed if they do. They would love that part. Hilarious if you think about it.
Pascal NL
Seeing that WoT society is a true Matriarchy Im surprised it's not required reading.
Pascal NL #RedAjah
It's funny because I sometimes describe this magic system to people who don't know the series, and some of them reply that it was 'misandry' or 'feminist propaganda'. But a further reading proves that one of the strongest messages of the series is the complementarity between men and women and the fact that they win only when they ally. As a feminist, I love that part :D
@Sergio Anoba was that supposed to mean something?
@Sergio Anoba wtf are you even talking about? How do you know what I've read and haven't read? You're making assumptions based on one sentence I wrote. Why would I even be looking at and commenting on WoT videos if I hadn't read the books? You sir are truly an idiot.
Lost me after your opening statement.
Clearly, you have never read any Malazan book. The fact you also still only have small paperbacks of TWOT shows you aren't a real fan.
Taint that bad
fsirt