Fun fact. Spamton mentions 1997 a lot. In 1997 a guy called "Mike" made a bunch of commercials. (Spamton also mentions a Mike at some point). Mike in his commercials often said "big shot". It's a neat joke lol
I almost think it’s the reverse. Right when we first meet him, we see a poster of “Big Shot Auto” and I can’t help but feel “ride around town” (which is even quoted in the poster), “body” which in terms of a machine is also what it used to refer to the frame of a car, the Cungadero, everything in that regard is a reference to the auto lot he once ran / advertised for, as opposed to foreshadowing.
@@ChestersonJack it's deliberately made to be ambiguous. But he's clearly referring to what he wants to get out of the basement, so it definitely is foreshadowing
I still find it crazy that I see nobody mention his Knight dialogue in his shop. It seemed like he was gonna spoil the story so he gets like physically stopped by something and starts repeatedly apologizing for it as he starts glitching. Cuts right back to being a psycho to cover it up I guess but it freaked me out
And then in the Fear dialogue, when he switches to lowercase and says "can anyone hear me? Help..." and gets cut off again... seems like there's a person trapped in there
@@goodieprocter the files for deltarune have the following deliberately unused text. Wonder if its a reference to that? Where... Where am I? Hello...? Anyone...? Is... is anybody out there...? Someone!? Anyone!? Can anyone hear me!? ... It's dark. It's so dark here. Someone, anyone, if you can hear me... Say something... please... // No one can hear me, can they? ... I guess not. To be honest, I'm not even sure I can hear myself. It's so quiet here... ... and yet, sometimes, I swear I hear something... Something like... scratching?
Fun Fact: In Queen's Mansion, if you avoid breaking all of the vases, you will enter a mini game where you have to balance a vase on your head until the finish line. If you complete this successfully without breaking the vase, you will be congratulated. Then Susie will playfully punch you, thus knocking the vase over.
@@drascia "* Please do not race the pottery." You get a line of extra dialogue if you talk to every single Swatchling during the minigame. "* Yes, we see you. You are the master of balance."
@@MysticSlime tbh I appreciate that anyway. I wanted to see the dialog that the one "Spamton's Shop" animation borrowed to make that perfection. Idk if u have seen it or not... Glad I saw it from u tho. Thx!
Fact: If you go to the room where there are service tables(where you fight maus in queen's mansion)when you interact With them they will turn into ufos and the last service table turn into a chest instead of ufo and gives glowshard whose value increases every chapter
@@marcinpilarski2412 I did the same. Because of it, I played chapter 1 many times, 'cause I kept missing something. I even played it again to get the original Starwalker in Chapter 2 as an companion/Item, to get Jevils stuff and find the egg. I hope, I didnt miss anything again for the future chapters.
Yep, I think Toby will hide a glowshard, egg, and of course a shadow crystal in ever chapter. Along with other misc hidden things that'll eventually be found by the players. I currently have 3 saves and I've replayed my second pacifist one the most since I keep missing crap, I think I got everything I possibly can now. I even made sure to wait for Onionsan in both.
I tried interacting with him on my first run for some flavor text, and when I saw you could push him, I tried to move him out of the room, to the left exit. It didnt work, but I loved what happened
honestly, im kinda upset that the leave option doesnt say "run" with spamton responding "who are you running from?" it wouldve been a really neat reference, even if the thing its referencing came out in 1998 as apposed to 1997
@@rootbeerconnoisseur6104 at first i had no clue what the comment was referring to, but when i saw this reply i had like PTSD flashbacks and shivers down my spine lol
Between Spamton telling us not the trust what we see (Mike?) on TV, and we see the TV screen at the end of the game smile, I think it's safe to assume the next chapter will be TV themed.
The smile on the TV seems evocative of Photoshop Flowey from Undertale. Is the flower Asgore tried giving to Toriel still in the garbage? Is it in range of the third Fountain?
By heaven he means the Light World. Spamton seems to strangely be aware of it, and is also the only character in DELTARUNE so far that has acknowledged the human SOUL, alongside the power held within it. Spamton only wants freedom (he is literally modelled after a puppet) and that search for freedom eventually drove him crazy, and further down the line, obsessed with escaping the Dark World
im thinking noelle might be the angel this time, on the snowgrave route both the npcs you can get ring upgrade from the addison and spamton call her angel, then theres her outfit itelf which looks pretty angelic, inside the hos[ital theres her angel doll which the game points out has no wings and that asriel spent too much focus on his for a similar doll, another nod to asriels wings is on his computer, so i think its trying to say noelle is a wingless angel
An interesting thought, there's a recurring theme of "Freedom" and "Control/Lack-thereof" in both chapters. I'll try and list all of the references to these themes I can think of, but I'll almost definitely have missed some. Ch 1) First, there's the fact that you can't control what you look like or what your name is. Normally this isn't a big deal, but the game draws attention to this. Second, when Susie threatens you and says you're going to do the project, regardless of the choice you make she'll say your choices don't matter. Then we get to the Dark World. The themes are put to the side for a bit, but when we get to Jevil, he talks about how he's free and how everyone else is trapped. Similarly, we learn that King Spade has trapped the other kings in an animal cage. And then finally, Kris tears out his soul and throws it into a cage, "freeing" Kris from your "control", and trapping you. Ch 2) If you go into the basement of Ralsei's castle, you'll see the kings trapped in the animal cage still, but also King Spade is now trapped in a hamster cage. Soon later, when we get to the Cyber World, we learn that Queen has basically taken everyone's freedom away. It's a recurring gag that she only has 4 cages left, and that she keeps trying to capture Kris, Susie, and Noelle. Then we get to Spamton. Once you beat him, you can talk to him in his shop, and you'll see him try to break out of his coding, only to immediately go back to his advertising spambot "self". Later, if you fight Spamton Neo during the pacifist run, he'll comment on how he's still trapped, and even mention how Kris is just like him. Eventually he's "freed", but as a result he dies. When Susie asks Kris is okay, both answers seem to imply Kris is trying to break free of your control. They either give a strained "yes", or scream, depending on your answer. And finally, when you try to wash your hands, Kris tears out the soul, traps it in a cabinet, and jumps out of the window. Presumably they then slash Toriel's tires, but considering how Ch 1 had a fake out, this might not be the case. Either way, they do this again when Toriel and Susie are asleep. I'm almost certain that this theme of Freedom and Control is going to be a thing throughout all chapters, especially with the secret bosses. I think the overall message is going to be that too much control can drive you mad (like Jevil), but at the same time too much freedom can be just as bad (like Spamton). But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY
What unsettles me is the fact that This means Spamton couldn't live without his strings, however for Kris.... Does that mean he can't live without our control? Yeah he's taken out his soul at least 3 times but he/she walks likes a fucking zombie without it
Also after cutting Spamton Neo's strings, you see how he drops all his speech tics, much like the white noise-glassed version of him, meaning he might actually be sane, just puppeteered/coded to have crazy tics and act crazy in general, much like how Kris does not actually have a habit of eating moss, he just appears that way because he was controlled by us to eat the moss but if left free would obviously instead act normal. Also isn't the overall message in reverse? I think Jevil got mad because he was given too much freedom while Spamton got "coded" or controlled into his spambot self.
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache thing is, Jevil's freedom is his delusion. We know that he's imprisoned, but his imprisonments has driven him mad to the point where he believes he's free. It's unclear how deluded he was prior to his imprisonment, since Seam says that Jevil was crazy before he was imprisoned, but he isn't actually free, he just believes himself to be.
Something else I hadn't considered when writing this: in chapter 1 you're given virtually no choice. The chapter has the exact same ending regardless of what you do, while in chapter 2 we get multiple routes, and your decisions have much more of an impact
Also, he says something by the lines of "Help, can anyone hear me?" Well, i remember than in one of these games inside the code, there's a "Character" Trapped inside, Saying things midcode like //W-where am i? (...) //It's Anyone there? (...) //If anyone can hear me, please, help me
1:56 "Clown around town" Given that the stuff in brackets is like a censored version of what he's trying to say, (stuff like hyperlink blocked), I think we can assume he was trying to directly say Jevil. Even more so since the shop music is a remix of part of Jevil's theme. Also, both have themes of freedom or becoming free, with Jevil saying that he's the only free one by being locked in a cage, and with Spamton NEO wanting to become free of the strings, only to die because of it (and with what I believe to be something else related to freedom with the player and Kris, and how Kris is trying to break free by ripping out the soul.) All of these connections somehow manage to make me even more excited for Chapter 3-5, now that I know that Jevil's theme of freedom wasn't a one-off thing and that this will be a recurring theme. I think that "Freedom" will be Deltarune's "Determination," and the fact that this is shrouded behind optional and difficult bossfights (at least compared to the rest of the game) makes this even more intriguing. P.S. Something that I forgot to mention was that, throughout the whole game, you are somewhat constantly reminded that your choices don't actually matter, a harsh difference between this game and Undertale, where every encounter matters. This can be seen through how killing and sparing enemies in chapter 1 has the same effect (both give no xp, as the enemies run away), and the times when Susie interrupts you during a dialogue prompt. There are a few more that I can't really think of right now though.
He says "there is nothing to fear except..." and right after this there is this dialogue... I wonder why Kris is afraid of this... or was he talking about himself? Idk
Guys. You guys. I love this series, too. It's one of my favorites, period. I get that you all think Toby is a Hypergenius God of Game Design but if you're going to be literally hacking the game to remove/edit entities and values, then expect the game to pick up on exactly what you did and not just default to a debug menu because you "broke" something is frankly expecting WAY too much from the guy. He's a genius, sure. Not psychic.
It's just that other games don't really care about these unusual interactions, but Toby's does, so it's expected to people to explore every single interaction due to that, I mean, it's fun so why not? I don't think people get upset when something ends up doing nothing, because there's so many other interactions that compensate for that
There’s a door with two slots on it next to the dog Easter egg room that you can knock. It mentions being proud that they coded that after the generic (knock knock) text
You should make a video pointing out that Spamton's full name is Spamton G. Spamton and there is an easter egg in Undertale of someone calling a certain G.
I see a lot of people saying this, but who in their right mind refers to someone by their middle name? (No, nick names don't count, despite them often being put between the first and last name)
Fun tip! When spamton tells you to press f1 on the switch version of deltarune, you can click down on the right stick to heal yourself like in the pc version!
Something everyone notices is spamton sais "1997" alot but something that not that many people notice is a virovirokin or whatever they are called sais "Happy new year 1997" If you kill their freind i think
Is he referring to Jevil? Considering the nature of the dark worlds, this has disturbing implications if gaster is responsible it means he's able to move and interact with the dark worlds with ease Mayhaps he's in a dark world that's deeper than the others or an abyss of sorts?
Anyone else notice that Spamtons shop theme sounds almost a like a joyful Jevil theme when you enter his room (not The World Revolving. The one called The Circus).
Things that you will never notice if no one says you about it: Spamton have great chances to be based in Pinnochio. You read it right, Pinnochio, the character of fairy tales. And i can prove it: Spamton have a long nose. The music that play then you spare Spamtom NEO is called A Real Boy (In the end of Pinnochio story, Pinnochio turns into a real boy) Spamton pretty looks like a puppet (Pinnochio is a puppet, btw) Spamton talks about "Being a puppet" and "The strings that you are trapped" In Spamton theme, his voice looks like a child voice (p.s. I'm not telling that Spamtom is Pinnochio, just is something very similar)
idk, but if any case. He mentioned that "Dont trust anything from the tv", "Who's Mike?" smh like that Apparently [Spoilers alert] The ending was the tv smilng Community had thoughts if this might be the "Mike" that Spamton's talking about.
By the way, there is this new crafting system.... Where you could ask hammer dude to fuse your items, and there is a sword you can make out of thorn ring
An obvious but interesting fact is how Spamton seems to referencing the "HEAVEN" a lot. His NEO form that looks like an angel and the whole gimmick of "puppet in a string" being controlled from above gave him a subtle but mind-provoking theme that he might rebel against the one that ruled the whole story. Not the King or the Queen but something else. Even worse, his dialogue of surpassing the "clown" seems to refer to Jevil and the fact that Jevil referencing the devil being sealed away makes this even more intriguing. The best part is that his post-fight in normal route of NEO say that in the end, he's nothing but a puppet, but Kris, Sussie and Ralsei are strong, and might be able to break their strings. This imply that the true antagonist is either a godly being or some sort of "creator" entity such as Gaster. The fact that Spamton speak normally without any glitches or crazy nonsense after the final boss fight imply that he NEVER was insane or broken. He simply pretend to be a lunatic because, whatever put him down there in the dump, is something powerful enough to make him so scared, that he apologized immediately and then start acting like a psycho again, just to cover it up. I start to feel that his theme is meant to be a "fallen angel" and the fact that he does refers to the "HEAVEN" so much while making meta jokes basically confirm that he is against some sort of god. Either that is Gaster, or Toby himself... Or something else.
you need the thorn ring and a purecrystal it seems like the purecrystal can be found in the graveyard in the surface, where someone named crystal is buried, it seems in order to get it you must find a hammer that gerson son mentions to be buried into gerson grave
Speaking of Undyne and the dark world! I bet since Toriel called the police at the end of chapter 2 and fell asleep waiting for them to arrive, and then Kris cracked open the door before making the fountain, Undyne is going to discover the portal and get trapped in the dark world with our other heroes
You know, Spamton's dialogue got me thinking... what if he's being "controlled" BEFORE even transforming into Spamton NEO? The small segment with Mike and "... can anyone hear me? Help..." really makes it sound as if Spamton was doing everything he's done in the game because someone else is MAKING him do it, as if.. someone was controlling him the same way we're controlling Kris
If anything else, it sounds like [Mike] was the guy who had done to him. From his dialogs, "Don't trust anything on TV", "That man is criminal" and him being angry on "game host" in another route, I would guess Mike is very charming game host liar who tricked him into this stage. The next world would be theme of liar, tricking and some kind of set ups theme that you can't make different from real or fake, Something like that I guess. I would have no wonder if he have some kind of power as well.
Oh damn - don’t trust anything on TV, and where is the next Dark World meant to be themed on…If we’re actually gonna meet Mike the Ad Guy maybe it’s like how Jevil mentioned the Queen. (Though Spamton’s so sketchy there’s no telling whether we really agould trust Mike or not)
@@InnocentC0 well, if Jevil was Determination and Spamton Justice... maybe the next one will be about Integrity? In that case Mike could very well not be trusted. "Don't trust anything you see on TV!"
I think that the G is spamton G spamton means gold. The dude was heavily based off of greed, therefore I wouldn’t be surprised if Toby said it was “spamton gold spamton” furthermore in the NEO fight you use yellow bullets to defend yourself (yellow is almost gold)
When I first entered Spamton's shop after reading about a bizzare rumor on the net, It kind of felt unreal. It was kind of like having a creepypasta in the actual game and it was so different from anything else I've experienced that it therew me completely off balance. After that i really needed a couple minutes to contrmplate what just happened.
Yep, and Jevil the secret boss in ch 1 was aware of and the only one to mention Queen, the final boss of ch 2. Now Spamton knows Mike and is the only one to mention him by name.
There is a secret area in the basement of queen's mansion that requires the keygen to open, inside there is an empty disk which you can give to spamton and he gives something in return, once you take that something from spamton back to where you found the empty disk, there will be a secret boss fight. As for Mike's identity? Noone really knows
Huh, I only just noticed how his eyes turn in static noise when mentioning Mike, and then we see that smile on TV at the end with static noise... However it might not be really related since ending is "on the nose" as a main plot and Spamton i supposed to be a sort of hidden side-story
anyone else notice he said "i didn't hear anything" and then immediately afterwards he says "but it sounded like they were talking to you" key phrases being "didn't here anything" and "sounded like"
Just thought I'd bring this up since I don't think I see any videos on your channel regarding it. but.. At one point Spamton tells you to press F1 for Help. and in the Fear dialogue he asks for help. I don't have the game, but it'd be nifty to see if anything happens if you were to hit F1 during that dialogue?
I was very surprised when he said "TOO MANY VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL." You said we were friends :( that we didn't even need Mike :(
This is more of a subtle thing, but Spamton's shop sprites are posed similarly to a few of burgerpants' shop sprites from Undertale, obviously has no narrative relevance but still, neat little tie-in.
I'm currently playing through a hacked run that SHOULD let me fight spamton neo twice. Edit: Finished the run. it was 2 of the snowgrave route versions, but one was in the basement tunnels. Needed to call Noelle to handle both of them. For the one in the tunnels, after noelle finished snowgrave, it kinda cut to the normal place you find spamton hanging from the walls after fighting him there. This clearly wasn't an intended route and was just a fun bit of save editing to see what would happen.
What if you cheat yourself a ring? If it counts as bought, then how about cheating 2? If it doesn't count, the how about doing snowgrave path without buying a ring from spamton (does he have any dialogue for no ring bought)
I feel like everything slowing down after he says "commemorative" ring is meant to like, fake out the player. Like you just went on a death spree over a joke ring. Granted the ring does work and allows us to murder hobo effectively, the way he delivers it makes it feel entirely on us even more than otherwise.
fun fact: if you inspect the ferris wheel ad, in the city, after susie goes on a ride with noelle, Ralsei makes a comment about it even though there's no way he should've known that it ever happened.🔎 He does this a lot...
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache you can get back to the ferris wheel advertisement, and Rosie says something that he shouldn't have even been aware about. He does that quite a few times, matter of fact
Not related to Spamton, but I had a general question that maybe you know the answer to since you have played Chapter 2 so much. If you unlock the unlimited Spin Cakes from Top Chef in Chapter 1 will he still give you some in Chapter 2? I have tried looking this up everywhere but can't seem to find any answers about it, if someone reads this and can help I would really appreciate it!
@@Googernomics Good to know thanks! I will have to redo Ch.1 and 2 then before Chapter 3 comes out. I wanna 100% both chapters before then to get all the secrets possible in Ch.3
You can fuse items right at the bakery, Is it possible to fuse the thorn ring and freeze ring do you even keep them when you leave cyberworld. Or is that not how fusing works at all I never really fused anything
Fun fact. Spamton mentions 1997 a lot. In 1997 a guy called "Mike" made a bunch of commercials. (Spamton also mentions a Mike at some point). Mike in his commercials often said "big shot". It's a neat joke lol
In the fnaf 2 files, apparently theres picture of a seemingly demented froggit named mike.
ua-cam.com/video/Gy19H-hVbIE/v-deo.html the commercial
Lamo I thought it was another secret boss related to TV, since the somethinh was also up with TV in this chapter.
Hey I've seen this before
I might make a vid about this actually!
spamton's dialogue about the keygen is *_heavy_* foreshadowing to the neo fight
"A ride around town"
"workout-ready body designed by the classics"
I almost think it’s the reverse. Right when we first meet him, we see a poster of “Big Shot Auto” and I can’t help but feel “ride around town” (which is even quoted in the poster), “body” which in terms of a machine is also what it used to refer to the frame of a car, the Cungadero, everything in that regard is a reference to the auto lot he once ran / advertised for, as opposed to foreshadowing.
@@ChestersonJack it's deliberately made to be ambiguous. But he's clearly referring to what he wants to get out of the basement, so it definitely is foreshadowing
plus, he *did* say it was a deal so good you would die!
He also mentions surpassing "THAT DAMN [[clown around town]]" which is likely a reference to Jevil. He wants to surpass the other super boss
And he says specil kungadero indicating the name of the cars are specil kungaderos
I still find it crazy that I see nobody mention his Knight dialogue in his shop. It seemed like he was gonna spoil the story so he gets like physically stopped by something and starts repeatedly apologizing for it as he starts glitching. Cuts right back to being a psycho to cover it up I guess but it freaked me out
And how he stares straight at the player
@@heavyguy4660 I never noticed that but yeah definitely a weird detail
And then in the Fear dialogue, when he switches to lowercase and says "can anyone hear me? Help..." and gets cut off again... seems like there's a person trapped in there
@@goodieprocter the files for deltarune have the following deliberately unused text. Wonder if its a reference to that?
Where...
Where am I?
Hello...? Anyone...?
Is... is anybody out there...?
Someone!? Anyone!? Can anyone hear me!?
...
It's dark.
It's so dark here.
Someone, anyone, if you can hear me...
Say something... please...
//
No one can hear me, can they?
...
I guess not.
To be honest, I'm not even sure I can hear myself.
It's so quiet here...
... and yet, sometimes,
I swear I hear something...
Something like... scratching?
@@zwormhour I'm stupid, you're referring to unused text. This is very interesting.
Fun Fact: In Queen's Mansion, if you avoid breaking all of the vases, you will enter a mini game where you have to balance a vase on your head until the finish line. If you complete this successfully without breaking the vase, you will be congratulated. Then Susie will playfully punch you, thus knocking the vase over.
Yeah, and then she bails lmao
I was so upset when she did that lmao I spent like 45 minutes getting that h*ckin pot to the finish line and then there wasn't even a reward 😂😂
@@drascia "* Please do not race the pottery." You get a line of extra dialogue if you talk to every single Swatchling during the minigame. "* Yes, we see you. You are the master of balance."
Everyone know that lol
Based Susie.
so he brings up the knight, apologizes profusely, and immediately switches the topic? that seems important
his whole schtick is being a puppet, the one controlling him certainly doesnt like spamton's knowledge of the knight
Kinda boring fact: if you don't put him in the body, and just take the disc with you, you keep him :)
That could have relevence in later chapters. Who knows
Maybe if you keep the disk and the mannequin you can bring him to ralsei's castle eventuall
@@cieragalb4736 You know, this actually sounds like a possibility in future chapters.
@@cieragalb4736 I really hope that'll be a thing
doing this in my next deltarune playthrough
Damn a four min video just to say "no lol", you're becoming a REAL UA-camr now
LOL Its just to show the full dialogue in case I missed something
@@MysticSlime You finally became a *[Big Shot]!*
@@MysticSlime suuuuure
@@MysticSlime tbh I appreciate that anyway. I wanted to see the dialog that the one "Spamton's Shop" animation borrowed to make that perfection. Idk if u have seen it or not... Glad I saw it from u tho. Thx!
@@MysticSlime you just needed views without putting a lot of effort into a video, its ok to admit
Fact: If you go to the room where there are service tables(where you fight maus in queen's mansion)when you interact With them they will turn into ufos and the last service table turn into a chest instead of ufo and gives glowshard whose value increases every chapter
DogDollar you get from being killed by Toby decreases the value with every Chapter
I still kept it, I want to see its value change lmao
Me too i store everything important and unimportant i found from every chapter for next chapters
@@FriskTheFallenHuman I sold the ribbon from 1st chapter....
Rip
@@marcinpilarski2412 I did the same. Because of it, I played chapter 1 many times, 'cause I kept missing something. I even played it again to get the original Starwalker in Chapter 2 as an companion/Item, to get Jevils stuff and find the egg. I hope, I didnt miss anything again for the future chapters.
Yep, I think Toby will hide a glowshard, egg, and of course a shadow crystal in ever chapter. Along with other misc hidden things that'll eventually be found by the players. I currently have 3 saves and I've replayed my second pacifist one the most since I keep missing crap, I think I got everything I possibly can now. I even made sure to wait for Onionsan in both.
when lancer turns into stone you can move it to the left several times until it reaches the table and something funny happens
just tried it and i just love what does happen
I tried interacting with him on my first run for some flavor text, and when I saw you could push him, I tried to move him out of the room, to the left exit. It didnt work, but I loved what happened
what happens? I'm too lazy to try
@@smug303 idk me too
@@TUNDIRE409 He eats a single noodle
I managed to one time get the keygen for 1 kormar.
I got it for 2.
MHMMMM DELICIOUS [KROMER]
Its entirely possible to give him 0 Kromer inna playthrough
@@milesedgeworth3667 Yeah I somehow managed to spend 0 for the keygen lol
in my first time I got 0
honestly, im kinda upset that the leave option doesnt say "run" with spamton responding "who are you running from?"
it wouldve been a really neat reference, even if the thing its referencing came out in 1998 as apposed to 1997
...Game Boy Camera?
@@rootbeerconnoisseur6104 yep
@@rootbeerconnoisseur6104 at first i had no clue what the comment was referring to, but when i saw this reply i had like PTSD flashbacks and shivers down my spine lol
NOOO that would have been so creepy!
“Why are you running? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING???” 🤣
Between Spamton telling us not the trust what we see (Mike?) on TV, and we see the TV screen at the end of the game smile, I think it's safe to assume the next chapter will be TV themed.
Finally, Susie can be Susiezilla like she always dreamed to be.
The smile on the TV seems evocative of Photoshop Flowey from Undertale.
Is the flower Asgore tried giving to Toriel still in the garbage? Is it in range of the third Fountain?
@@rayyourlocalfroggychair Oh hell yes!
@@jakob7184 Interesting idea. Seems like a likely event.
@@jakob7184 the secret boss might be flower based then, reminiscent of flowey but even more insane
I've been thinking maybe the player is the angel and heaven is just the people watching past the screen.
By heaven he means the Light World. Spamton seems to strangely be aware of it, and is also the only character in DELTARUNE so far that has acknowledged the human SOUL, alongside the power held within it. Spamton only wants freedom (he is literally modelled after a puppet) and that search for freedom eventually drove him crazy, and further down the line, obsessed with escaping the Dark World
im thinking noelle might be the angel this time, on the snowgrave route both the npcs you can get ring upgrade from the addison and spamton call her angel, then theres her outfit itelf which looks pretty angelic, inside the hos[ital theres her angel doll which the game points out has no wings and that asriel spent too much focus on his for a similar doll, another nod to asriels wings is on his computer, so i think its trying to say noelle is a wingless angel
I also think it’s to contrast Jevil’s devil theming
I'm really glad you made a whole-ass 5 minute video to say "nothing happens", good thing I skipped ahead lol
An interesting thought, there's a recurring theme of "Freedom" and "Control/Lack-thereof" in both chapters. I'll try and list all of the references to these themes I can think of, but I'll almost definitely have missed some.
Ch 1)
First, there's the fact that you can't control what you look like or what your name is. Normally this isn't a big deal, but the game draws attention to this.
Second, when Susie threatens you and says you're going to do the project, regardless of the choice you make she'll say your choices don't matter. Then we get to the Dark World. The themes are put to the side for a bit, but when we get to Jevil, he talks about how he's free and how everyone else is trapped. Similarly, we learn that King Spade has trapped the other kings in an animal cage. And then finally, Kris tears out his soul and throws it into a cage, "freeing" Kris from your "control", and trapping you.
Ch 2)
If you go into the basement of Ralsei's castle, you'll see the kings trapped in the animal cage still, but also King Spade is now trapped in a hamster cage. Soon later, when we get to the Cyber World, we learn that Queen has basically taken everyone's freedom away. It's a recurring gag that she only has 4 cages left, and that she keeps trying to capture Kris, Susie, and Noelle. Then we get to Spamton. Once you beat him, you can talk to him in his shop, and you'll see him try to break out of his coding, only to immediately go back to his advertising spambot "self". Later, if you fight Spamton Neo during the pacifist run, he'll comment on how he's still trapped, and even mention how Kris is just like him. Eventually he's "freed", but as a result he dies. When Susie asks Kris is okay, both answers seem to imply Kris is trying to break free of your control. They either give a strained "yes", or scream, depending on your answer. And finally, when you try to wash your hands, Kris tears out the soul, traps it in a cabinet, and jumps out of the window. Presumably they then slash Toriel's tires, but considering how Ch 1 had a fake out, this might not be the case. Either way, they do this again when Toriel and Susie are asleep.
I'm almost certain that this theme of Freedom and Control is going to be a thing throughout all chapters, especially with the secret bosses. I think the overall message is going to be that too much control can drive you mad (like Jevil), but at the same time too much freedom can be just as bad (like Spamton). But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY
What unsettles me is the fact that This means Spamton couldn't live without his strings, however for Kris.... Does that mean he can't live without our control? Yeah he's taken out his soul at least 3 times but he/she walks likes a fucking zombie without it
Also after cutting Spamton Neo's strings, you see how he drops all his speech tics, much like the white noise-glassed version of him, meaning he might actually be sane, just puppeteered/coded to have crazy tics and act crazy in general, much like how Kris does not actually have a habit of eating moss, he just appears that way because he was controlled by us to eat the moss but if left free would obviously instead act normal. Also isn't the overall message in reverse? I think Jevil got mad because he was given too much freedom while Spamton got "coded" or controlled into his spambot self.
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache thing is, Jevil's freedom is his delusion. We know that he's imprisoned, but his imprisonments has driven him mad to the point where he believes he's free. It's unclear how deluded he was prior to his imprisonment, since Seam says that Jevil was crazy before he was imprisoned, but he isn't actually free, he just believes himself to be.
I think Kris slashes the tires so Suzie can't get home and has to stay with them
Something else I hadn't considered when writing this: in chapter 1 you're given virtually no choice. The chapter has the exact same ending regardless of what you do, while in chapter 2 we get multiple routes, and your decisions have much more of an impact
Kris *buys ring*
Spamton *Assaults Kris*
Also Spamton *Gets angry at Kris for acting in self defense and tells him to buy another*
Also, he says something by the lines of "Help, can anyone hear me?"
Well, i remember than in one of these games inside the code, there's a "Character" Trapped inside, Saying things midcode like
//W-where am i?
(...)
//It's Anyone there?
(...)
//If anyone can hear me, please, help me
I just realized that when the ringing part in the song plays, the phone behind spamton rings too
queen portraits luagh when laughin part plays
1:56 "Clown around town" Given that the stuff in brackets is like a censored version of what he's trying to say, (stuff like hyperlink blocked), I think we can assume he was trying to directly say Jevil. Even more so since the shop music is a remix of part of Jevil's theme. Also, both have themes of freedom or becoming free, with Jevil saying that he's the only free one by being locked in a cage, and with Spamton NEO wanting to become free of the strings, only to die because of it (and with what I believe to be something else related to freedom with the player and Kris, and how Kris is trying to break free by ripping out the soul.) All of these connections somehow manage to make me even more excited for Chapter 3-5, now that I know that Jevil's theme of freedom wasn't a one-off thing and that this will be a recurring theme. I think that "Freedom" will be Deltarune's "Determination," and the fact that this is shrouded behind optional and difficult bossfights (at least compared to the rest of the game) makes this even more intriguing.
P.S. Something that I forgot to mention was that, throughout the whole game, you are somewhat constantly reminded that your choices don't actually matter, a harsh difference between this game and Undertale, where every encounter matters. This can be seen through how killing and sparing enemies in chapter 1 has the same effect (both give no xp, as the enemies run away), and the times when Susie interrupts you during a dialogue prompt. There are a few more that I can't really think of right now though.
2:48 Is it not the piece of a secret dialogue within the files of Deltarune Chapter 1?
you've got that super memory bud...
The dialogue is also in C2's files
Somehow, Spamton can hear that voice. What incredible attention to detail
Wow I never even knew about this! Thanks for telling me, might make a video on it!
i think youre right! makes me wonder if the other dummy texts will be used for secret bosses too, maybe? i hope so.
He says "there is nothing to fear except..." and right after this there is this dialogue... I wonder why Kris is afraid of this... or was he talking about himself? Idk
The face he makes when he looks straight at you is so scary
2:14 Is this not a burgerpants reference.
Is it? I honestly don't remember
@@MysticSlime You tell him to go to hell and he's like "sorry nah can't outta vacation days"
Also his expressions are a little similar.
Guys.
You guys.
I love this series, too. It's one of my favorites, period. I get that you all think Toby is a Hypergenius God of Game Design but if you're going to be literally hacking the game to remove/edit entities and values, then expect the game to pick up on exactly what you did and not just default to a debug menu because you "broke" something is frankly expecting WAY too much from the guy. He's a genius, sure. Not psychic.
I don't think anything was "hacked" they just gave up on the Snowgrave route after getting the thorn ring from Spamton
It's just that other games don't really care about these unusual interactions, but Toby's does, so it's expected to people to explore every single interaction due to that, I mean, it's fun so why not? I don't think people get upset when something ends up doing nothing, because there's so many other interactions that compensate for that
@@rowanheart8122 How did they get 2 rings my dude? Please answer that.
@@Benzinilinguine Literally in the video it says that Spamton calls the Keygen a commemorative ring. It isn't about two thorn rings.
Maybe the voice calling for help is our vessel. Spamton doesn't talk about it like it's him who is saying it.
There’s a door with two slots on it next to the dog Easter egg room that you can knock. It mentions being proud that they coded that after the generic (knock knock) text
You should make a video pointing out that Spamton's full name is Spamton G. Spamton and there is an easter egg in Undertale of someone calling a certain G.
Yo thats smart
Gaston come back from grave.
@@InnocentC0 nobody spams like Gaston
Spamton Gaster Spamton oh my god! Now we only have to find out who Ice-E really is
I see a lot of people saying this, but who in their right mind refers to someone by their middle name? (No, nick names don't count, despite them often being put between the first and last name)
That was a steal of a deal on your KeyGen there
Fun tip! When spamton tells you to press f1 on the switch version of deltarune, you can click down on the right stick to heal yourself like in the pc version!
And R3 on ps4
Something everyone notices is spamton sais "1997" alot but something that not that many people notice is a virovirokin or whatever they are called sais "Happy new year 1997" If you kill their freind i think
Is he referring to Jevil?
Considering the nature of the dark worlds, this has disturbing implications if gaster is responsible it means he's able to move and interact with the dark worlds with ease
Mayhaps he's in a dark world that's deeper than the others or an abyss of sorts?
Anyone else notice that Spamtons shop theme sounds almost a like a joyful Jevil theme when you enter his room (not The World Revolving. The one called The Circus).
Yeah
Actually, it’s a remix of THE WORLD REVOLVING's second to last segment, nothing to do with THE CIRCUS.
Things that you will never notice if no one says you about it:
Spamton have great chances to be based in Pinnochio. You read it right, Pinnochio, the character of fairy tales. And i can prove it:
Spamton have a long nose.
The music that play then you spare Spamtom NEO is called A Real Boy (In the end of Pinnochio story, Pinnochio turns into a real boy)
Spamton pretty looks like a puppet (Pinnochio is a puppet, btw)
Spamton talks about "Being a puppet" and "The strings that you are trapped"
In Spamton theme, his voice looks like a child voice
(p.s. I'm not telling that Spamtom is Pinnochio, just is something very similar)
at the baker's shop you can craft something with the thorn ring
THE PHONE! THAT DAMNED PHONE!
lets start a encyclopedia on short...
mike is the jevil
idk, but if any case. He mentioned that "Dont trust anything from the tv", "Who's Mike?" smh like that
Apparently [Spoilers alert] The ending was the tv smilng
Community had thoughts if this might be the "Mike" that Spamton's talking about.
"SOON I'LL EVEN SURPASS THAT DAMNED [[Clown Around Town]]"
Could he be referring to Jevil?
YOU'RE A [Big Shot] FOR BUYING 2!
By the way, there is this new crafting system.... Where you could ask hammer dude to fuse your items, and there is a sword you can make out of thorn ring
An obvious but interesting fact is how Spamton seems to referencing the "HEAVEN" a lot. His NEO form that looks like an angel and the whole gimmick of "puppet in a string" being controlled from above gave him a subtle but mind-provoking theme that he might rebel against the one that ruled the whole story. Not the King or the Queen but something else. Even worse, his dialogue of surpassing the "clown" seems to refer to Jevil and the fact that Jevil referencing the devil being sealed away makes this even more intriguing. The best part is that his post-fight in normal route of NEO say that in the end, he's nothing but a puppet, but Kris, Sussie and Ralsei are strong, and might be able to break their strings. This imply that the true antagonist is either a godly being or some sort of "creator" entity such as Gaster. The fact that Spamton speak normally without any glitches or crazy nonsense after the final boss fight imply that he NEVER was insane or broken. He simply pretend to be a lunatic because, whatever put him down there in the dump, is something powerful enough to make him so scared, that he apologized immediately and then start acting like a psycho again, just to cover it up. I start to feel that his theme is meant to be a "fallen angel" and the fact that he does refers to the "HEAVEN" so much while making meta jokes basically confirm that he is against some sort of god. Either that is Gaster, or Toby himself... Or something else.
I love that a slow version of "The World Revolving" is playing in the background. :D
Off topic, but I like how the phone in the background rings whenever there's a phone ring sound in the song
i wish ppl start seaching in how to craft the twisted sword
you need the thorn ring and a purecrystal
it seems like the purecrystal can be found in the graveyard in the surface, where someone named crystal is buried, it seems in order to get it you must find a hammer that gerson son mentions to be buried into gerson grave
@@unbreakablem7130 dis tru?
@@gabopr1365 yes in the bakery you can see there is a option to craft a sword, which you need the thornring and purecrystal
Look... the second time Mike was spoken of does not have the [[Commercial Brackets!]]
I just refinished the first chapter, and noticed that i could talk to undyne about the dark world. Does she have a different reaction in chapter 2?
She basically laughs at you and drops the key to the prisoner cell behind her, releasing all the prisoners
I mean yeah, but i wondered if she says “this again?” Or something.
Speaking of Undyne and the dark world! I bet since Toriel called the police at the end of chapter 2 and fell asleep waiting for them to arrive, and then Kris cracked open the door before making the fountain, Undyne is going to discover the portal and get trapped in the dark world with our other heroes
@@rowanheart8122 Undyne and maybe even Napstablook? I’m sure that Undyne and Napstablook as a duo would be a strange yet really funny combination.
You know, Spamton's dialogue got me thinking... what if he's being "controlled" BEFORE even transforming into Spamton NEO? The small segment with Mike and "... can anyone hear me? Help..." really makes it sound as if Spamton was doing everything he's done in the game because someone else is MAKING him do it, as if.. someone was controlling him the same way we're controlling Kris
If anything else, it sounds like [Mike] was the guy who had done to him.
From his dialogs, "Don't trust anything on TV", "That man is criminal" and him being angry on "game host" in another route, I would guess Mike is very charming game host liar who tricked him into this stage.
The next world would be theme of liar, tricking and some kind of set ups theme that you can't make different from real or fake, Something like that I guess.
I would have no wonder if he have some kind of power as well.
Oh damn - don’t trust anything on TV, and where is the next Dark World meant to be themed on…If we’re actually gonna meet Mike the Ad Guy maybe it’s like how Jevil mentioned the Queen. (Though Spamton’s so sketchy there’s no telling whether we really agould trust Mike or not)
@@InnocentC0 well, if Jevil was Determination and Spamton Justice... maybe the next one will be about Integrity?
In that case Mike could very well not be trusted. "Don't trust anything you see on TV!"
@@vaimantobe3034 if we're going in order of when the humans with the soul colors fell, green/kindness is probably next
I think that the G is spamton G spamton means gold. The dude was heavily based off of greed, therefore I wouldn’t be surprised if Toby said it was “spamton gold spamton” furthermore in the NEO fight you use yellow bullets to defend yourself (yellow is almost gold)
So when susie tells ralsei to shut up shes also trying to talk to kris in the bottom right of the dialogue box. If anyone saw that
What if you go back to the dumpster where you originally got the thorn ring?
i THINK it gives you the default “its a dumpster… there seems to be a pillow inside” text but im not sure
@@beeblebuice dang it
I keep hearing the gaster theme everywere haha
I can hear like little peaces of it in the music of the spamton shop
"YOU AND ME ARE ALREADY [[Friend Request Accepted]]"
Oh so this is how you make friends
When I first entered Spamton's shop after reading about a bizzare rumor on the net, It kind of felt unreal. It was kind of like having a creepypasta in the actual game and it was so different from anything else I've experienced that it therew me completely off balance. After that i really needed a couple minutes to contrmplate what just happened.
1:56 So Spamton is aware of Jevil?
Yep, and Jevil the secret boss in ch 1 was aware of and the only one to mention Queen, the final boss of ch 2. Now Spamton knows Mike and is the only one to mention him by name.
This is the first time I’m hearing of “Mike” and the “emptydisk.” Can anyone explain, please?
So you didn't fight Spamton Neo on the normal/pacifist route?
There is a secret area in the basement of queen's mansion that requires the keygen to open, inside there is an empty disk which you can give to spamton and he gives something in return, once you take that something from spamton back to where you found the empty disk, there will be a secret boss fight. As for Mike's identity? Noone really knows
@@bifusmorgus9000 Mike is a real person in 1997 that made commercials. Mike often said "big shot". Spamton also mentions 1997
@@bifusmorgus9000 Mike's commercial was also on TV and Spamton mentions that if you see him on TV he's a criminal.
@@shaunduzstuffs So is toby fox making kinda an ARG? idk it looks like that, or that commercial was either a coincidence or an inspiration
Spamton is asking for help because he’s being controlled by a puppet but, he’s actually asking help from another puppet.
That spamton staring strait at you face is fucking nightmare fuel
Huh, I only just noticed how his eyes turn in static noise when mentioning Mike, and then we see that smile on TV at the end with static noise... However it might not be really related since ending is "on the nose" as a main plot and Spamton i supposed to be a sort of hidden side-story
anyone else notice he said "i didn't hear anything"
and then immediately afterwards he says "but it sounded like they were talking to you"
key phrases being "didn't here anything" and "sounded like"
Spamton wanted to make it big, bigger than that clown around town.
Judging from the fan base, I think he did it.
Seeing Spamton stop smiling is weird
Except the one where he looks down
Ah yes, the phrase everyone knows
[MAKE MONEY, NOT WAR!]
Just thought I'd bring this up since I don't think I see any videos on your channel regarding it. but.. At one point Spamton tells you to press F1 for Help. and in the Fear dialogue he asks for help.
I don't have the game, but it'd be nifty to see if anything happens if you were to hit F1 during that dialogue?
the game is free so u can get it. ive tried it and nothing happens unfortunately
I was very surprised when he said "TOO MANY VACATION DAYS?? TAKE A GOD DAMN VACATION STRAIGHT TO HELL." You said we were friends :( that we didn't even need Mike :(
Spamton mentions something about not trusting what you see on TV, the end of the chapter has a smiling television screen, think there's a connection?
Definitely foreshadowing, remember that Jevil tells us to beware of "Queen" and her potential unleashing of the Roaring.
In the pasafist fight if you beat him up he has the same text…
One thing that proves that Kris is the knight is that when talking it goes from knight to friends...
1:04 ¿Is that the EarthBound"s phone back?
Idea : what happens if you go to spamtons shop after beating spamton neo?
This is more of a subtle thing, but Spamton's shop sprites are posed similarly to a few of burgerpants' shop sprites from Undertale, obviously has no narrative relevance but still, neat little tie-in.
Can you take the emptydisc back to the light world?
Yes
I'm currently playing through a hacked run that SHOULD let me fight spamton neo twice.
Edit: Finished the run. it was 2 of the snowgrave route versions, but one was in the basement tunnels. Needed to call Noelle to handle both of them.
For the one in the tunnels, after noelle finished snowgrave, it kinda cut to the normal place you find spamton hanging from the walls after fighting him there.
This clearly wasn't an intended route and was just a fun bit of save editing to see what would happen.
Can you give Susie the chalk candy after you get out of spamtons shop when she asks?
They're not gonna mention an atrocity that you [[Didn't Commit]]
Welp, hats-off for trying!
1:25 Spamton without blush looks so creepy.....
And he's not smiling
I kinda wish this worked and that he'd just increase the amount again
Theory: Mike is the secret boss of Chapter 3. Because of the TV and all.
1:50
Was he…thrown in the acid river…?
what if you have two thorn rins before the fight
If you beat spamton (not neo) with violence on a normal route (not snowgrave) he will say the exact same thing but will not say "AT LEAST BUY [2]"
GOOD [BIG SHOT]
No one else see the phone ringing
Why I wonder who could be calling?
What if you cheat yourself a ring? If it counts as bought, then how about cheating 2? If it doesn't count, the how about doing snowgrave path without buying a ring from spamton (does he have any dialogue for no ring bought)
I feel like everything slowing down after he says "commemorative" ring is meant to like, fake out the player. Like you just went on a death spree over a joke ring. Granted the ring does work and allows us to murder hobo effectively, the way he delivers it makes it feel entirely on us even more than otherwise.
I thought he had more dialogue when you talked to him in the shop after buying keygen? Is that any different post abandoned snowgrave??
What happens if you try to sell the thorn ring back to spantom
The clown around town is a joke on how jebil got so popular
Is Spamton not in the dumpster by the moss during the aborted alternate route?
fun fact: if you inspect the ferris wheel ad, in the city, after susie goes on a ride with noelle, Ralsei makes a comment about it even though there's no way he should've known that it ever happened.🔎 He does this a lot...
Can you go back to the ferris wheel ad? The only place with the ad I know is the one with the ambyu-lance going around it.
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache you can get back to the ferris wheel advertisement, and Rosie says something that he shouldn't have even been aware about. He does that quite a few times, matter of fact
kool fact: if you try to put thorn ring on susie she'll respond with "Torture Device?" and ralsei will literally just stay silent lmao
I dunno. Tell me.
Yo this was quick
Not related to Spamton, but I had a general question that maybe you know the answer to since you have played Chapter 2 so much. If you unlock the unlimited Spin Cakes from Top Chef in Chapter 1 will he still give you some in Chapter 2? I have tried looking this up everywhere but can't seem to find any answers about it, if someone reads this and can help I would really appreciate it!
He does give you more cake in chapter 2.
Sadly my save data for chapter 1 got erased a while back when I factory reset my pc, so I wouldn't know.
@@Googernomics Good to know thanks! I will have to redo Ch.1 and 2 then before Chapter 3 comes out. I wanna 100% both chapters before then to get all the secrets possible in Ch.3
In castle town spincakes are given out
I USED TO BE NOTHING BUT THE E_MAIL GUY, NOW I'M THE [[It Burns! Ow! Stop! Help Me! It Burns!]] GUY!
You can fuse items right at the bakery, Is it possible to fuse the thorn ring and freeze ring do you even keep them when you leave cyberworld. Or is that not how fusing works at all I never really fused anything
You can only fuse certain sets of items together
the shop theme sounds like jevils theme, kinda.
Yes
Clown around town sounds like jevil. Kinda sus
Can you try to repair the items spamton gives you from his shop with Malleus?
When Spamton sells you the ring in the snowgrave route can you actually buy 2?
So you can get the thorn ring and still do the pacifist spamton neo fight?