Guys, I gotta say, I really appreciate the polite discourse! I'm glad we could share ideas here without going for each others throats. Makes me proud to have such respectful viewers. Thank you all. ALSO! I'm almost done with the script for Part 2 and would love your input on what I should cover in The New Empire. Though I've already made a review video for it, I realized that in an attempt to not come off as a broken record and take a more positive approach, I didn't accurately convey my feelings on the film. Looking back on it, it almost feels like I'm reading a script in a hostage video. Guess that explains the Monsterverse Stockholm Syndrome I succumbed to. So if you guys have anything that just nags at your brain about The New Empire, leave your opinions below!
I feel like if it were just a solo kong film like what they originally planned the film could have felt less overstuffed. Then kong and skar king could have had more screen time together like maybe a friendly rivalry that turns to hate when kong sees how cruel skar is to the other great apes and humans. Sort of like that war of the gargantuas film but with big monkeys!
@@thetrench8486 I'd have been down for that. If The New Empire was about Kong earning his kingdom, he really should've done it on his own. He should've earned his title like Godzilla did in KOTM. Also, Skar King deserved a little more screen time. I would've liked more development of Kong's opposite. Godzilla's role in TNE was more just a collection of random monster fights. It feels like they didn't know how to develop his character in a narrative sense so they chose to change him cosmetically, which really irks me. Like are we really going to be looking at a pink Godzilla from here on? You know, since we have the King of the Monsters and now Kong has earned his title of King, we could end the series with an actual showdown between them. The title writes itself: "Godzilla x Kong: The War of Kings" or "Godzilla x Kong: The Last King". I mean we already killed Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla so I don't know what other final boss we could be looking at. Destroyah's out because we pissed away the Oxygen Destroyer in KOTM. I guess we could do Space Godzilla, even though we haven't established why there'd be a Godzilla in space. At this point, the only thing I would really want to see is Biollante being the goddess of the Hollow Earth taking on Hedorah, the biproduct of mankind's disrespect for nature. That could be an interesting arc that would tie in all the elements and themes of the movies thus far.
@ A modern Destroy All Monsters would totally be worth it. I mean, there has to be some kind of endgame to this story. I hope it doesn't just fizzle out. If it were up to me, the next film would be all set up for a big finale. Lines should be drawn between factions, forces should be gathered and tension should be mounted. Then follow that up with a grand finale that ties a bow around the whole series. If it were up to me, I'd have Godzilla determine mankind is nature's biggest threat and have Kong step up to defend us. Have Kong kill an adolescent Suko to give Kong a true motivation in taking out Godzilla. If Godzilla's fighting for nature and Kong's fighting for mankind, it would keep us guessing as to who is in the right. I don't know. Just choose to do something with all of this.
Most of the time when I see videos like this, is normally some kid complaining about "Ohhhh where is destoroyah" or "Ohhh why is kong even able to hurt godzilla" but this video was great. It brought up good and new points I haven't heard before, me personally I LOVE G14 though I am a little bias as it was one of my first godzilla films (First was King kong VS Godzilla) but other than that, yeah the Monsterverse has been dropping the ball more and more every film. Their best works honestly are their comics in my opinion. KOTM was good, GVK was a let down, and GXK was painfully average. Keep up the great work!
One of the few times I agree with you on something I remember actually being excited for the new mv films, who wanted to see how they would handle that dark mysterious tone in movies like kotm, or gvk, but to see these films slowly progress into the same old thing you see in movies like the Michael Bay transformers movies is honestly disappointing, it also doesn't help that people will dismiss any criticism and blindly defend these movies, no one cares about flaws, no one cares about the true potential of Godzilla as a character, these so called "fans" will tell you straight to your face that you are just a tourist and Godzilla is nothing more but a giant lizard meant to entertain us, when he's far more than just that.
I like that you don't beat down the MonsterVerse like other people. Your argument is valid and I agree with the fact that the MonsterVerse isn't perfect with the choices they make with the human characters but not the monsters. Honestly, I watch the MonsterVerse movies because of how they handle the monsters. The monster designs, habits, biology, and sounds are based on real animals. As someone who likes to study animals, I really like all the little details about the monsters biology the movies try to provide. Not a lot of movies do that, especially monster movies. I know Toho did something similar with the monsters in their movies but you usually had to find most of that information outside of the movie itself while the MonsterVerse builds this information into the story with the help of Monarch. That's what makes these movies so rewatchable to me because I like to learn about the monsters as if they were real animals.
I agree that they did attempt to bring the monsters to life by giving them characteristics that are more in line with animals we're familiar with, but I think they only did that at the surface level. They introduced a lot of interesting ideas but they don't really take the time to develop them. Something that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is that in KOTM, they establish the monsters give off a certain kind of radiation that basically restores natural life wherever they go. I thought that was something that would be expounded upon in the later films and become a major aspect in the ongoing story. But since then, the movies haven't really addressed it. At the end of KOTM, we're told that Godzilla is on our side for now but his attitudes may change. I thought the next film might have a discussion about Godzilla destroying cities but improving the environment. It would've been interesting for mankind to have to rethink our role in the natural order. Would we accept that we've overextended ourselves into becoming detrimental to nature or would we fight back against the monsters to claim what's rightfully ours? Instead we shifted focus to the Hollow Earth and basically dropped the discussion about our role on the surface world. We did create Mechagodzilla, who's existence in this world where natural titans restore organic life could've worked into that dilemma. But the moment came and passed and nothing meaningful seems to have changed in universe. In all my reviews, I don't really address monster design because I tend to focus more on how they're used in the narrative. You could have the best, most interesting design for Godzilla as an animal, and I definitely think the Monsterverse Godzilla design is great, but if he isn't given anything meaningful to do in the story besides beating a bad guy, it just feels like all that thoughtfulness and effort goes to waste. As I've said before, I hate the Monsterverse but I'm glad it exists. It introduced a lot of interesting ideas but never really got around to figuring out how to properly implement them. The pieces were all there to make a truly poignant addition to the series, but it just fell flat in the grand scheme of things.
i always go from love the monsterverse to being very disappointed at its missed potential. missed potential is the worst thing a godzilla film can have, we’ve gotten to this point in the monsterverse where every movie is just another “weekly evil ancient rival here to take over the world!” and the fact that all the characters are just poorly written”silly lol dumb humans” takes away from the kaiju action. with gxk i became so desensitized to the action halfway through that nothing got me hyped. human substance needs to exist to make the monster scenes better. the only reason the monsteverse exists now seems to be to sell toys, hey but at least the toys are cool..
Someone said on firewood media that they are comparing the MV to the Michael Bay Transformers because it in general they act like a "dumb toy commercial".
I think the Monsterverse was presented as a burger but they only gave us the patty. Sure, the patty is the most crucial part of a burger, but without all the other layers, it's just dead meat.
I hate the way how they made Godzilla an absolute Mary Sue and way how they nerfed Kong, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah, and MechaGodzilla compared to Godzilla was horrible.
I agree with almost everything you said except for them nerfing Kong. Bro, they had to double his size without explanation and give him a melee weapon to even be able to contend with Godzilla. If anything, they made him a Hairy Sue. Even gave him a sympathetic kid for plot armor. Yo, have you ever seen the size comparison for Skull Island Kong and Suko? They're near identical in height. So Kong was a child sized adult that grew and maintained his adult form? It's bananas!
@ It's actually the movie with the most Godzilla screen time at around 26 minutes. Gotta love that soundtrack too. I also like that Mechagodzilla 2 was the only one to actually defeat Godzilla (before he cheesed it by re-growing an organ). It's been a while since I've seen that one so I really need to watch it again. A shot that I always remember is when Mechagodzilla goes to turn and you can see the segments of his body moving separately. Always thought it was a cool design.
1998 "Zilla" was a cool interpretation for me, like provided we got the sequels it would've been unhinged population control and a bunch of Zillas that kill aliens
Exactly! Godzilla was always the most engaging when he was the obstacle that mankind had to overcome. Whenever Heisei Godzilla appeared, the tension would rise. Who knows what destruction he would cause? In the Monsterverse, Godzilla's arrival signifies things are going to be okay. He's the hero programmed to save the day so why worry? Yawn. Yo, whats your favorite Hesei film?
I get what your saying but getting something new can be a good thing. If we just keep getting something like 1954 or -1 over and over again. We would get tired of Godzilla. But that didn’t happen due to the monster verse with its silly story that people enjoy like GXK. This means no hate to you
I may love the Monsterverse, but it’s always respectable when someone else voices their opinion, not afraid to voice an arguably hot take. I thought this was a very well thought out video and detailed, well done sir, you have my respect.
That one guy in the comments saying minus one and 2014 Godzilla is trash hurt my soul. But in the end of the day i gotta respect someones opinions even if i think there crazy.
Honestly, I feel the exact same way and when I mention this to anyone in the community I get shunted off, told "You're just jealous that the Monsterverse is better than the suitmation movies" and called a 'fake fan'. It's honestly so frustrating and I'm glad that we share an opinion
Suitmation, even if it looks dated, was infinitely more interesting than CGI because it was always fun seeing how they pulled off certain effects. You can be more forgiving of the quality because the level of craftsmanship involved is something to behold. Knowing a physical object is there makes it feel more real. Monsterverse Godzilla can look badass as all hell but you're eyes still know he isn't real.
It doesn't make sense to compare different versions of Godzilla because his character can only be judged by the story he's in. Minus One Godzilla makes sense in his own story. Monsterverse Godzilla feels different from movie to movie even though they're in the same saga. The Godzilla in 2014 is COMPLETELY different than the one in GxK. I'd have the same complaints if Minus One was an ongoing saga where by the fifth film, he was shaking hands and kissing babies.
Always appreciate any love and respect shown to Raymond Burr. It makes me so sad how much fans nowadays brush over the U.S. version of the original Godzilla.
Raymond Burr is the unsung hero of the Godzilla series. You know they were planning to cast him in a sequel to Godzilla 2000? That would've been amazing to see him one last time. Also, he's a big reason why Godzilla 1985 wasn't re-edited as a comedy starring Leslie Nielsen. I'd love to see it in an alternate universe but I'm glad we got the version we have. Minus the Dr. Pepper and red-headed major of course. I was actually just looking him up on Wikipedia and he seemed to be a complicated and mysterious character. Definitely worth it to check it out.
As a lifelong Godzilla fan that owns nearly every film on dvd (some import) I respectfully disagree with your entire video. 1. 90 percent of Godzilla films are mostly boring human scenes with an epic fight at the end. If you do research, you would be surprised that Godzilla king of the monsters has more Godzilla screen time than many of the classic movies. King of the monsters actually has like 5 different scenes featuring monsters doing epic stuff. I personally think it’s the 3rd best film ever made behind minus one and Godzilla 1954. The monster fights were epic and the scale of the monsters/ battles were done very well. Just my opinion 2. Godzilla is feared/taken seriously in like 6 films. The other 27 he’s a hero that kids love. Basically the entire showa era after Mothra vs Godzilla. 3. Godzilla films most of the time are not very good “films”. It’s always aliens using a monster to rule the world and Godzilla shows up and smash. It’s very repetitive and cheesy. Power rangers level cheesy 4. Any complaint about humans being forgettable or having bad dialogue is odd, because again that’s a staple of the franchise. There are very few films with human scenes that are good. Maybe you were expecting more? I personally love the monsterverse films. I can see a casual viewer not loving them all, but a lifelong Godzilla fan should have no complaints considering the quality of the films from Japan. Minus one is the movie we all wanted, and I personally think it’s the best movie in the entire series. But if you’re gonna go the monster rumble route, I think monsterverse has done pretty good. No hate just my take
Oh, buddy... Strap in. 1. My complaint isn't that the humans have too much screen time. My issues is that they don't develop the human characters well enough in the ample time they're given. There's also a good chance those characters will disappear by the next film. Let me be absolutely clear about this. King of the Monsters DOES NOT have more Godzilla screen time than "most" other Godzilla films. In fact at 9:53, there are at least twenty other movies that beat it! The top is Mechagodzilla II with over 26 minutes and it's runtime is nowhere close to KOTM's. Trust me, in my KOTM review, I literally time the scenes. There's less than three minutes of monster fights before the final battle of the film. On top of that, those fights are interrupted by meaningless human drama that has no payoff. 2. Six serious films? There are more than six films between the Heisei series, Millenium series, Shin Godzilla, Minus One, the anime films and, of course, the original. I also don't think that you should be regarding the lowest performing era of the series as the gold standard. Even Ishiro Honda didn't like the direction the series took during the Showa. 3 & 4. Just because there have been bad films in the past doesn't mean the Monsterverse shouldn't have attempted to do better. As I said, the lowest point shouldn't be the highest expectation. You gonna tell me that a modern Hollywood film with a budget in the hundreds of millions shouldn't try to be better than a low budget 1960's Japanese film? Phooey. Yes, I did expect more. The potential the Monsterverse had was beyond anything the franchise could have previously hoped for in it's 70 year legacy. This was an opportunity to create a well written and thoughtful approach to a Godzilla story that would appeal to even general audiences. Minus One clearly demonstrated that was possible. The Monsterverse never found it's identity as a saga. It couldn't settle on the story it wanted to tell and just left it up to whomever currently held the reigns. It blew all the big name monsters way too soon, mishandled legacy concepts, and resorted to just throwing more and more elements against the wall in the hopes of finding something that sticks. Putting 2014 and The New Empire side by side shows they couldn't even nail down a tone. They literally resort to cave paintings to inform Godzilla's motivations as a character. Through it's lack of continuity or acknowledgement of events from film to film, you can't even make your own theories as to where the story's going. Let's be real, the showrunners don't even know. It's easy to have a blasé attitude toward the Monsterverse when you look purely at what we got. My frustration comes from what could have been, had the minds of the Monsterverse realized the potential of their main attraction.
Although your points are valid I just need to state that Godzilla is very vesitile character who can still represent loads of things. Kotm has shown how much we humanity damages nature for their own means and the titans representing on how nature always comes back.
I absolutely agree that he's a versatile character. I'm just annoyed that they dispensed with the tried and true theme his character represented in favor of being an agent of "balance" without ever defining what balance is. If it were the balance of nature, he should be coming after its greatest threat: mankind. However, since they also want him to be mankind's savior, it's as if his two primary directives conflict. They've been teasing he might turn on mankind ever since the end of KOTM but you know they'll never really do it, leaving him as the immortal defender of what should be his greatest enemy. I could just be looking at it the wrong way though. I've delved so deep into this series that maybe I'm not seeing the forest through the trees. How would you define Monsterverse Godzilla's relationship with mankind?
the “godzilla is a versatile character” argument doesn’t work when his character completely changes and gets even more ruined in each film within the same continuity you can’t go from “ancient animal awakened” to “human protector and balancer of nature who loves humans” to “balancer of nature that hates humans” to “balancer of nature who has no emotional and kills everything and destroys cities”
@@uxebob Exactly! I could abide with any characterization of Godzilla so long as its informed by the story and maintains continuity in an ongoing series. Its not that what the Monsterverse wanted for him was impossible, it's just that they never got a firm grasp on it. It could've worked, they just muddled it.
@@BrutallyHannes Valid valid but Heisei Gamera protects all life on Earth. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t include humanity but not just regulated to it. Yes we are the biggest threat to nature but this Godzilla cleans the mess humanity makes as in king of the monsters when ever kaiju attack cities loads of plant life is left behind. Meaning he doesn’t need to destroy humanity.
@@bintasenghore3321 Sure, but doesnt it feel like they threw that ability in just to justify his actions? The movies havent really addressed it since. Also, Heisei Gamera is the Guardian of the Universe but his methods got a bit... brutal by the time Iris came by. I mean, that was the plot of Revenge of Iris. Gamera's well intentioned but collateral damage is an unavoidable part of it. I dont like that Monsterverse Godzilla was inexplicably given an out with that "healthy radiation" ability. Especially since the movie begins by showing that Mark's son died as part of that collateral damage. A few ferns don't really make up for that.
I’m honestly really happy you made this video. I used to be a monsterverse fan but as time went by the series just left a bad taste in my mouth as I started seeing the films the same way you did and have clearly seen the flaws you have addressed in this video. However, the toxic community was what made me not like the monsterverse in all of it’s entirety. I was always so afraid to say that I do not like the monsterverse but am a Godzilla fan due to not wanting to be “that guy”, but this video really made me feel confident about being open with my opinion, respectfully of course. Thanks man, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much! Trust me, I've been "that guy" for years so I completely hear you on the toxicity in the fanbase. It's a terrible kind of toxicity too, where those fans try to be so loyal to the Monsterverse that they begin treating any dissenting opinion as heresy. Then suddenly you become the toxic one for being honest. I understand that those fans only want to be positive and supportive, but they just wind up becoming hateful and obstinate. It starts to go against the idea of community when you shun anyone who thinks differently. I made this video to try to reach out to those fans in a manner where they can't just label me a 'hater' and ignore my points. I guess it worked because I'm surprised by the amount of polite discourse between MV and non-MV fans in my comment section. I'm glad this video had a positive impact on you and I hope you don't let the toxicity keep you down! It also made my day to know my channel is giving other people the confidence to be brutally honest! Really, thanks again, man.
I disagree on some of your points, but i do respect your opinion if i were to redo the monsterverse id say the comic tie ins should have been adapted as films as they add so much more lore and history to the world! The universe just looking through the films feels more disconected and loose.
I wholeheartedly agree. I hear good things about the comics but I haven't looked into them because I both didn't feel the movies earned my investment and I wanted to keep a clear focus on the films for the sake of my reviews. But it does seem that they did a lot of the work the films should have. I was hoping that Legacy of Monsters would have added some meaningful worldbuilding and answered some of the questions I had, but we all know how that turned out. They should just adapt the comics instead of gunning forward with no real plan.
@BrutallyHannes I still need to finish that monarch series, but if you want to know a bit about the comic lore there are tons of videos and wikis that can give a general overview of them, also the film novelisations of kotm, gvk & gxk tend to include the comic lore into them to try and make the series feel more connected!
@@thetrench8486 Honestly, you don't really need to finish the series. It doesn't add anything meaningful to the overall story of the Monsterverse. I mean, if you liked the characters then the end has a couple of interesting twists and turns you might enjoy. Otherwise, you aren't really missing anything crucial. I have been tempted to check out the comics but I address why I haven't in the next video. I trust they are entertaining and flesh out the universe, but it just feels like a deeper layer of fandom that the films didn't earn from me. In my head, I can't rationalize thinking "Man, I hated that movie. Better shell out money on a book that explains how that crap was actually enjoyable." Again, no insult to the novelizations or comics. The films just didn't do a good enough job convincing me to dive deeper.
@@BrutallyHannes fair enough, like the comics aren't some dimonds in the rough but i can't help but feel like they had more potential for a film given that the monsterverse films don't expand on the world aside from say the hollow earth. And just a fun little lore note according to Gvk's prequal comics Godzilla Dominion & Kindom Kong both monsters were acutely aware of the other. Godzilla has a flashback to an old rivalry with a great ape (tho not skar king) who he lost too in the past and he never got to settle the score as the kong died long before godzilla could rematch him. In kingdom kong, kong finds an old mural on skull island implied to be dypicting godzilla and his old rival in battle. In the film they go with the whole there can't be two alpha titans/ancient rivalry to explain the conflict. But it adds a bit to godzilla's character that he has no real or grand reason for wanting to fight kong, he just wants a rival!
@@thetrench8486 You know, that's an interesting thought you bring up. I'd love a story about Godzilla reconciling his own existence and seeking a purpose to it. I don't know how you could pull off a story like that, but I've always wanted to get inside his head. I mean, we always see him attack Tokyo but we never get a reason why. In 1985, Raymond Burr says a line I think of at least once a day. "Godzilla's looking for something. Searching. If only we could figure out what it is." A meaningful explanation to his goals beyond fighting monsters and consuming radiation is something I've wanted as long as I can remember. Do you ever wonder if he's lonely? At least Kong has a home to go back to. Without monsters to fight, what would Godzilla do?
For me I I’m happy that Godzilla changes from dark to goofy. If they stuck with dark then would have been stale for me. Now for the things is I dislike about your video. Godzilla is not a good guy, or a cleaner for the humans. His a force of nature that would do anything to keep it balanced including attacking humans, we seen do it countless times. The comics explain his role and what he does. Secondly I don’t see a problem with them changing Godzillas origin. They do that all of the time. Thirdly I don’t see a problem with how the MonsterVerse deals with the oxygen destroyer. They have different meanings and takes on it, like how Godzilla has different meaning and takes on it. And how did the movie say that nukes save nature. Finally it just feels like you just forgot about the Showa era. Like when you said what happened when Godzilla was feared. Dude the whole Showa era is people loving Godzilla, and when he shows up the people are all happy to see him.
Really great video, a lot of points shared by me. In-fact, I think this is worthy of a reaction video. Truth be told, I've had so many mixed-feelings of the Monsterverse, and have wanted for-years to submit my own videos talking about how I would do the stories.
Thanks, man! A reaction video sounds awesome! Keep in mind, though, that these are the broad brushstrokes of my thoughts on the Monsterverse and I have several series dedicated to breaking down each film. There's A LOT I didn't cover here so if you decide to address what I have to say, know that some of your points or questions may have been addressed in the more long-form reviews. I'm glad you enjoyed what I had to say, though! If you did, then it might be worth it for you to watch my full breakdowns of the films. I know they're a little long, but I tried to make them as insightful and entertaining as possible. I'm sure you'll definitely get something out of them. But yeah, if you decide to make a reaction video, let me know! I'd love to see it.
Yes! A man of culture! The track is Long Slow Pain from the third Evangelion Rebuild film. I use Shiro Sagisu's music in a lot of my Monsterverse breakdowns to set the tone. If you haven't yet, you should check them out. I used Angel of Doom and a few other tracks in the final part of my 2014 review. I also used Pillars of Faith in when talking about the Hong Kong fight in Godzilla vs Kong. I've honestly spent so much time trying to make the music fit cinematically in my videos and you're one of the only three people to ever comment about it. Yo, have you ever listened to the Symphonic Transfigure version of Angel of Doom? It's breathtaking.
@@BrutallyHannes I have a hard time comparing music to the scores of the Eva Rebuild with other kaiju media. Normally I'm quite an emotionally stable man, but 'What if?' from the fourth one does things to me. Man... even if the Rebuilds somewhat lack the emotional writing of the original, I really love them still.
@@WrierGold Evangelion has had an undeniable impact on me as a person and the soundtrack to that series is something that'll always be with me. Shiro Sagisu's music... my god, man, I can't even describe the way it affects me. I love "What if?" so much! That and "Tema Principale: Orchestra Dedicata Ai Maestri" tug on my heartstrings to a degree that nothing can compare. Honestly, I wish there could ever be a moment in my life deserving of the soundtrack to those films. I honestly feel bad for the people who haven't been exposed to Shiro Sagisu's work. As corny as it sounds, it really does change you. That man has my eternal respect and gratitude.
@@BrutallyHannes Hehe, no I couldn't agree more. Absolutely fantastic composer with a great deal of variation and creativity. I desperately crave more kaiju projects from old man Anno so that we get more Sagisu, but it looks like it'll be a while now. At least we have a huge library to stick with. I mean Angel of Doom, In My Spirit, Carnage, The Final Decision, ALL THE SONGS IN 3.0 and 4.0, there's something to find for everyone here! Do you have any other Godzilla composers you like?
@@WrierGold I just went on a Shiro Sagisu journey over the past hour listening to all those classics. There's actually a video where Keep Your Head Above the Mayhem transitions into The Final Decision that you should absolutely check out if you haven't already heard it. It flows BEAUTIFULLY. I actually used it during the final part of my Godzilla 2014 review for the battle in San Francisco (Godzilla 2014 review Part 5 timestamp: 18:38). Also cannot recommend the Symphonic Transition of Angel of Doom enough. As for other Godzilla composers, definitely have to go with Takayuki Hattori. He did Spacegodzilla, 2000 and the anime trilogy. Whether you like the anime trilogy or not, the music was amazing. Personally I love the Godzilla Theme in Spacegodzilla he created. 2000's main theme was pretty memorable and different for the franchise. The anime had so many great tracks. "Ghidorah" "Subspace Travel" "Total War" and "Decision at the End" are just a few of the bangers to come out from that trilogy. Beyond that, Akira Ifukube is a cornerstone of the franchise so he deserves immense credit. Naoki Sato did a great job with Minus One. The track "Resolution" is just powerful. Listening to it while flying across the map in Ghost Recon: Breakpoint was an incredible experience. Oh and of course Kow Otani's work on GMK was awesome! I also loved his work in the Heisei Gamera series.
I don't understand how KSI feels more consistent with G14, why tf start a muti movie verse if they don't plan on making the movies feel connected or have any continutity.
@@MrWaSpY-TrnYes It’s called the Monsterverse a compound of Monster and Universe. In film nowadays that typically means a interconnected franchise. Same with the MCU. It’s in the name. There’s a reason we call the Showa, Heisei, and Millennium Eras and not Verses. Sure some from each of those have films that connect but you’d have to do some incredible work to connect each Showa (or Heisei and Millennium) films into one cohesive narrative, universe, timeline. If your going to do a cinematic universe you should do more work to connect the films. Continuity is important here because they aren’t trying to have individual separate movies that are self contained stories. And yes a level of continuity can be applied to anything. Let’s say you have a series with 7 movies that’s more of anthology style rather than 7 sequels. But 2 of those movies are directly connected. I’d say in that case there would have to be some level of continuity otherwise why make them connected at all? Why have the Admiral reappear in KOTM Why have Serizawa reappear in KOTM Why have Mark reappear in GVK Why have Madison reappear in GVK Why have Bernie reappear in GXK:NE Why have Dr. Ilene reappear in GXK:NE. Well it’s a cinematic universe so of course some characters show up. But if your going to go that route. You need to commit more than just a few characters coming back.
Thanks for letting me know this was posted a day after it was uploaded UA-cam. Be careful Hannes, you might get people who say “But Son of Godzilla”, “But All Monsters Attack”, “But 2000” or of course as you mentioned “But 1998” and think that’s a valid counter to your points. This kind of response has instantly derailed 95% of the conversations I’ve ever tried to hold with someone else on the MV. To that crowd specifically yeah they have a minor point I think a fair argument can be made for why those ones are not exactly the best or even bad G-movies, however I just wished that more people would be open to conversation rather than “because some Toho movies are mediocre or suck that makes it ok for MV films to be mediocre or suck” or of course the king of shut up and just enjoy it points of “it’s a godzilla movie why does it need to make sense” I’m glad your channel and videos like this exist because it gives me a bit of hope especially when a majority of the fandoms I partake in seem to be growing more insular and intolerant to alternative opinions or views. I’m not sure if it’s just me but this seems to be a growing trend at least with what I enjoy.
That's funny you mention that because I went over that topic in my The New Empire review. I was actually just editing the short where I discuss it. Yeah, I see too many people trying to deflect criticisms by citing the Showa era but, as I say in the short, just because you can point out weaker films doesn't mean they should serve as the bar of quality for a modern multimillion dollar franchise. Old suck doesn't make new suck suck less. Honestly, I appreciate your comment, man. I'd been struggling to find motivation to make videos recently but hearing viewers like you say that you're glad I'm here really stokes the fires. I completely hear you on intolerant fanbases. People want to be loyal to what they love but take it too far to the point of treating criticism as heresy. I think we're just living in a time where positivity is prioritized over honesty, which spares our feelings in the moment but hurts us in the long run. How does anything improve when you're not allowed to acknowledge a need for improvement?
I don't hate that the Monsterverse exists. I just hate what they did with all it's potential. I'll never fault it for renewing interest in Godzilla for international audiences. I just wish they'd respectful enough to tell us a meaningful story about the character that became an idol, rather than churn out bloated, inconsistent films that focus more on referencing the legacy elements as opposed to implementing them thoughtfully.
Hot take: The Monsterverse shouldve maintained the tone of KoTM(2019). While having a grounded stiry, but also cool monster fights(maybe they can let both the goofiness and grounded movies have their ways every now and then)
The Monsterverse is such a mixed bag for me On one hand, I'm grateful that I'm born just in time to see the franchise at it's glory and have people that aren't Godzilla fans understand what I love about the franchise. And on the other, theres SO MANY things that could've made this franchise better. The human characters ESPECIALLY. I don't recall ever caring about any human character (other than Jia) in any Monsterverse film. In my opinion, Godzilla vs Kong is the most WASTED movie in the Monsterverse because it feels so rushed and we were so robbed on that Skull Island fight. I dont want to go in depth about my mixed feelings on the franchise cuz I want to save that for a video I'm planning to make but I HEAVILY agree on everything you said in this video! I especially have the same exact feelings about how the Oxygen Destroyer was utilized and that pro-nuke schtick in KotM I think that was the dumbest thing ever put in that movie (although I do give that movie for having Serizawa's death scene since it is the best scene in the movie, even though he really shouldn't die at all lmao) Can't wait for what you have to say on the second part of this video
I watched a lot of his interviews when doing my KOTM breakdown and he seemed like a guy who really did want to do right by Godzilla. Then he'd go and say something weird like "this is a movie for true Godzilla fans". What classifies a "true" Godzilla fan? It's like he had this very set-in-his-ways approach to how he wanted to do this and wound up missing some pretty crucial elements to Godzilla's character. It's like he saw the first movie, took key words such as "nuke", "Serizawa", and "oxygen destroyer" and tried to implement them without realizing the real themes behind them. He had every right as a director/writer to create the story he wanted, I just don't like how he used legacy elements so frivolously in the process. He intended homage, but it came across as out of touch.
@BrutallyHannes i also get the vibe he know he was only getting the 1 movie to direct so he kinda crammed all his ideas (possible 4 movies worth) into 1 movie. Him unironiclly saying it would be better for humanity to be under kaiju control is eyebrow raising. Fuck you got me remembering the "h3AtH1Y" radiation.
@@damndude999 That's right! You just reminded me of an interview where he said "better to put the monsters in charge than 'certain' politicians". I was like, oh, so you're one of those guys. Have your opinions but don't let your opinions have you. Just make a monster movie, buddy.
Now I'm curious on how will you handle that overused "Godzilla is a versatile character and can be anything" argument that many people use to justify the points you made... Damn I really hate that argument... Great video btw 👍
Well I do agree with the idea in the sense that Godzilla is a character we've seen at two very different ends of the spectrum. He's been a hero and a villain. On the one hand, you can have the serious Minus One version of him. On the other hand, look at Vrahno's videos (which I HIGHLY recommend), where he's turned Godzilla into a character you might see on a sitcom. I enjoy both even though Godzilla is utilized completely differently. But you can't have Shin Godzilla fathering Minilla on how to shoot heat beams and you can't have Godzooky helping Godzilla burn Tokyo. It's all about the tone matching the character within the confines of the story bring told.
first off I apologize for this mammoth comment here, but as a fellow enthusiast of Godzilla, I do understand where you’re coming from. I do like 2014 but I am aware of its flaws and I do wish that Brian Cranston was the main character or at least got to find out about Godzilla before being cut short. Godzilla as well most certainly could have benefited from more screen time as well. this is actually what leads me to my biggest criticism with the monsterverse which is throwing away human story and having it be all about giant monsters ripping each other throats out. I mean yes Godzilla is a character and he plays a pivotal role in the story but at the same time the human side of the equation is just as important as the monster side. I also don’t appreciate how goofy these movies got. 2014 and skull island may as well be in their own separate reality because they just got so inconsistent after skull island. Every time I make this criticism I’m always hit with the “it’s a homage to the showa era or godzilla’s been goofy before.” yes, I know. my argument is just because it’s been done before doesn’t mean it’s automatically good. Hopefully that’s something you address in part 2.
We're kindred spirits, my friend. I'm sick of that "Showa homage" deflection as well. At the end of my New Empire review I talk about exactly that. I actually posted a Short of it two days ago if you're interested. I essentially made the argument that the low point of a franchise shouldn't serve as the bar of quality for future installations. Son of Godzilla doesn't negate KOTM. Also, it's okay to like these movies for what they are. If someone said a movie I liked sucked, it wouldn't ruin the movie for me. If anything, hearing their points could give me a new perspective on it. But fans tend to become so loyal to their movies that they deny their flaws, whereas I say if you love something, you should love it flaws and all. It's frustrating living in a world where positivity is put above honesty. I started making these reviews because I wanted to like these films but couldn't. The Monsterverse had a lot of potential but it still needed improvement. However, when everyone lies to themselves saying they're amazing, that's when we start seeing a decline in quality. Next you thing you know, there's slave monkeys and pink dragons flying around. Honestly, Minus One was the greatest vindication for me because it had all the elements the Monsterverse lacked. For years I talked about the idealized version of a Godzilla movie that the Monsterverse could have been. Then Takashi Yamazaki went ahead and made it! Suddenly, Monsteverse fans began to realize that I might not be so crazy, if not a little long-winded. I guess I answered your mammoth comment with a beast of my own, but I'm glad to hear my points are resonating with people! Since we're sharing thoughts, did you have anything from The New Empire that you wanted me to cover in Part 2? I did a review video but I fell into that quicksand of positivity and didn't accurately convey my thoughts on it. So if there's anything that nags you from that movie, let me know because I'm still writing that part of the script and would love more input.
Yeah man it’s just a bunch of little kids arguing about saying the showa era and things like that, I’ve seen you before on my channel so you would know half of my comments were just brain dead little kids and is one of the reasons why I haven’t made another video on the topic
@@BrutallyHannes Hey, I just saw you’re video on the new empire, and you summed it up nicely for me. what I should have clarified with the last comment is that I don’t hate people who like GxK, I hate it when they say you’re a “fake fan” because god forbid you have a negative opinion on GxK. if anything GxKs tone is what the monster-verse should have been from the very beginning since this is the tone we’re going to stick with from here on out.
now, as a monsterverse fan, i respect this opinion although i do love the monsterverse, i can't help but feel as if godzilla's writing is a bit rushed. the first few movies were focused on the humans who were getting used to the fact that monsters existed, the nuke didn't create godzilla, sure, but it did awaken him and all of the destruction that came after. but then in KOTM, he was forced down the showa era path of becoming the hero that barely appeared in his own movie then Adam wingard came along and decided to make godzilla look more villanous again as the humans tried to figure out why he wasn't the friendly neighborhood spiderman anymore (for most of the movie before mechagodzilla was revealed) but then it went back to how it was before. in GxK i've heard rumors that godzilla's writing was rushed due to toho giving the rights too late and i hope that was true as i do not want the franchise's fandom to be so split with the next movie. over all, the monsterverse movies are now becoming more of kong movies because they don't need to buy the rights. let's just hope they don't have to rush godzilla's writing next time.
I agree. They spent too much time figuring out what to do with Godzilla that now it feels impossible to lock down a coherent characterization. It makes sense they'd lean more on Kong now, since he's the more narratively malleable of the two. I just wished they'd planned this out from the beginning rather than leaving Godzilla's character to the whims of whichever current director.
Heisei era was goated. While i do actually like the monsterverse I really respect u for sharing this opinion as its hard to let out your thoughts that might get hate, keep up the good work! And atleast u actually made a vid with fine points, i've seen way worse mv debunk vids
While i'd have kept the force of nature aspect, i would have godzilla be a dangerous wild animals instead of a giant scaly superman. There's this analog horror sort of series about godzilla that i think is a good example of this (not man in the suit, i forgot the name).
Thanks, man! But trust me, I have been a lot harsher in my earlier reviews! In the hopes of growing an audience, I attempted to be more measured with this video. Definitely check out my longform breakdowns if you want to see me rip these movies apart. There's so much more wrong with this series than I could possibly cover here and in my 2014, KOTM and GvK reviews, and I had a lot of fun breaking them down. Definitely worth checking out!
I feel like this is a video that could've come out back in 2014 or 2019 just fine, I remember the same complaints of Godzilla not being there all that much and as a big Godzilla fan myself... well, discard me being a Godzilla fan 'cause I'll say what everyone else has said: the Japanese movies did the same thing, in many of them Goji has the same amount of screentime as he does in the MonsterVerse ones. Now, I get that for the 2014 one 'cause cutting away during epic scenes or having the entire screen be multiple dark shades of black was a horrible move (nevermind the deceitful marketing)... and 2019 isn't much more excuseable (though honestly that movie still has issues beyond that) but even so Godzilla was still introduced extremely early and was shown doing more cool stuff with less cutaways there... just like many of the old movies. The MonsterVerse is basically a hodgepodge of past continuities, being just a slightly more serious Showa era and the Godzilla fanbase will always be split between the darker roots and the more popular schlocky era that dominates most of the series. But you can't really love Ghidorah without also realizing he was basically made 'cause Godzilla was turned into a superhero by that point in the series. The MonsterVerse has simply made that his role from the get-go rather than being so aimless (nevermind written by the seat of its pants if not straight up random) about it as the old series was. Godzilla wasn't a force of nature 'cause the MonsterVerse made him so, that was a common way to interpret him for a lot of people given his nigh-indestructibility as well as the heroic side he shows in, let's be frank, MOST of his stories (be it movies, comics, etc). Godzilla wasn't marketable because of the MonsterVerse, Toho made him schlock for children long before that. Questionable arguments aside, can't wait for the second part of this video! :p (Also that's quite the rambling description you got down there xD)
Yeah, talk about "descriptionism" at it's one mentality to make those "fans" trigger-happy just for the sake of "value", so we are comparing money with fictional giant monsters now?
It only becomes about the screen time when you take away what the message behind his character is. I never even considered how much screen time Godzilla got in Minus One because I felt that his character was utilized appropriately within the narrative. I made a point in my The New Empire review that just because the schlock of the Showa era exists doesn't mean it has to serve as the bar of quality for his character. My disappointment comes from the fact that the studio acquired this IP and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a franchise that didn't seem to have any real goal for the character. Since the Showa era, we've seen multiple attempts to put a spin on Godzilla's character to gain new meaning from him. It doesn't always pan out but I appreciate the attempt. The most this series seems to be capable of in terms of developing Godzilla's character is making him pink. My main issue is that the Monsterverse just feels like wasted potential. There's so many questions I've had about his character over the years that could've been meaningful explored, backed by the power of Hollywood. Instead, they chose to relegate him to being a cash cow where every movie has the same predictable result: good monster beats bad monster. I could have gotten behind this had they not misled us at the start by portraying this series as grounded and realistic. The tone of The New Empire seems to be exactly what suits the Monsterverse's vision for the monster, but it's frustrating it took five movies to get where they should have started. It just feels disingenuous to start a series acting as though there's this depth of lore and meaning waiting to be explored only to boil it down to the most shallow of concepts. Basically, I think that the writers should've recognized the flaws in the earlier films, such as the lack of character development and worldbuilding, and taken it to the next level. If they wanted to portray Godzilla as nature's enforcer of balance, then they should've spent time developing what "balance" actually means. Five movies in and I still can't nail down exactly what the relationship between Godzilla and mankind is besides him being our get out of jail free card.
There’s a lot about this video that has been said in the past and most of it is certainly gonna come down to taste but some of this lacks the context or nuance when bringing up the subject at hand. I’ll simply go over the two big points since they seem to be the driving force of the video. The first being about Godzilla not being made by atomic weapons and not being destructive. You brought up GMK in the video, which has origins not about the atom bomb but rather the supernatural forces of the victims of WW2. Godzilla has had multiple origins then and now that aren’t the same as the original. While I agree that Heisei is the best version of Godzilla in fact I’ve made a whole video on it, there’s really nothing inherently wrong with making Godzilla as a character different for the story the writer wants to tell especially when it’s still in vein of the original. 2014 still has nukes as the thing that has torn the family of the film apart and is the thing that Serizawa is fighting against the military to use against the monsters because of what happened to Japan and how it would only do nothing and make them stronger. As for KOTM saying the “nuke is good”, there’s a lot of context missing from this argument and about the Oxygen Destroyer. The beginning of movie has Monarch and the US government at odds at what to do with the monsters whether to kill them or not. They leave mid session which does not look good for them, when Ghidorah awakens they activate their new weapon because of this without any pushback on the government. Their arrogance makes the situation worse and the only way to get Godzilla back up to stop Ghidorah is to launch a nuke to get him back up. Serizawa looks at the watch his father had when Hiroshima happened knowing that he’s going against everything he stood for but is doing this for the greater good for humanity to survive or else let Ghidorah wipe us all out. It was a necessary evil. “Sometimes, the only way to heal our wounds is to make peace with the demons who created them.” I don’t like all the MonsterVerse content or films but I found your points to be heavily flawed. Godzilla doesn’t have to be just one thing. There’s many films that don’t focus on the subject matter of his first film and are still good films despite of that. So, I just heavily disagree.
I know a lot in this video has been covered but I wanted to take a new approach to reaching a larger audience where I condense my thoughts and present them in a relatable way. As for the nuclear origins thing, I agree I did come across as a bit dogmatic. What I should have said is that Godzilla is versatile enough to have different origins but when you can't nail them down properly (the Monsterverse), it's always best to resort back to the tried and true origins that originally made him an icon. I probably let too much of my own personal preferences taint the message, but the overall point was that Monsterverse' origins are questionable and conflicting and so I'd rather they'd stayed with what was initially intended for the character. Also I mentioned GMK in reference to his characterization, not his origins. I really like your take on the symbolism of Serizawa's watch! That's something I never really considered before and it kind of blows my mind that I never put that together. Though it doesn't completely reverse my "nuke revives nature" standpoint, I do realize I did miss a big chunk of context in that scene that does alleviate some of my issues. Thank you for pointing that out! I'm sorry you found my points heavily flawed. Then again, I'm a heavily flawed person, so I was waiting for someone to come around and point out where I lost the plot. Appreciate the honesty, Rick! Also, I'll be sure to check out your video on the Heisei series. I'm sure you'll give me a lot to think about!
@@BrutallyHannesI appreciate the generous response back. When it comes to Godzilla’s origin, his behavior is also intertwined with it. The reason why 54, Heisei and Minus One all directly attacked humanity was because they were the reason for their circumstances such as with 54 he lost all his species to our bomb and with Minus One he went after boats because humanity hit him with the bomb in 46. GMK is brought back not only by the deceased Japanese but by everyone who was killed wrongly during WW2. Imperial Japan was almost as bad as Germany was then if you research what they did to prisoners and China. So all those souls are brought back to remind Japan what they did and to never forget. Which is a very outspoken topic for the country that wants to forget about their past. I don’t even think KOTM is good but I know others think it’s a good movie and that’s fine. I’m willing to still give it credit where it was doing so. You’re honestly much better than other “Godzilla UA-camrs” who have done the same sort of video but they have done so with way worse bad faith, can’t take criticism and only double down on it and make it so it’s the “us vs them” mentality. So I appreciate the healthy response. It’s a welcoming surprise
@@RickDaSquirrel I agree with your assessment of Godzilla's various origins. GMK carries so much more weight to me since I looked into the Japanese' Unit 731 and everything they did to Chinese civilians during the second world war (I mentioned this in a past video). That must've been one angry Zilla. I'm honestly astounded Shusuke Kaneko was able to include that aspect of the war into the plot of GMK, where he addresses how many suffered at the hands of the Japanese during WW2. It would seem the nation would rather avoid acknowledging their culpability in some of the heinous war crimes committed during that era. I do have to ask though. You said Godzilla 54 lost the rest of his species to the atomic bomb. I was under the impression that he was an ancient species of dinosaur awoken and mutated by the bomb. In the parliament meeting, Dr. Yamane alluded to that idea. Did I miss a huge chunk of the lore somewhere in that film or was this informed later in Raids Again or something? Not saying you're wrong. Clearly you paid more attention to KOTM than I did. I just always concluded that 54 Godzilla was an anomaly brought forth by the atomic bomb rather than a survivor of a larger species. I know Raids Again introduced the idea of the Hollow Earth and the ill-fated Bride of Godzilla would've delved further into it. But never have I heard anyone say that 54 Godzilla had brethren that were killed by the bomb. (Bare in mind that I'm mostly basing this off the dubbed version of these movies and I may not be recalling details exclusive to the original dubs.)
@@BrutallyHannesYamane proposes 2 theories in the film. One was he was a prehistoric reptile of some sort living deep underwater for millions of years before being disturbed and enhanced by a hydrogen bomb test. The other was that Godzilla was living with his own kind before the detonation, which destroyed his home and brought him to the surface. The latter is taken as the canonical explanation as Tomoyuki Tanaka, the guy that essentially created him, used this in artwork depicting his species dying to the bomb as Godzilla sees it and starts the mutate. You can find the image online easily by searching for it. It comes from the 1984 book Definitive Edition Godzilla Introduction
I have no problem if you like it. If you enjoy the Monsterverse, I envy you! I just have too many hang ups about it and my big mouth loves to yap about them. Think of it as me finding my own way to enjoy it.
@@corbandragonX A lot of people have been defending the Monsterverse in the comments and I like hearing their perspectives. What's your favorite part/moment from the Monsterverse?
@@BrutallyHannes Thermonucler Godzilla vs Ghidorah, Godzilla vs Kong, Godzilla and Kong vs Skar King and Shimo, Godzilla King of the Monsters Ending, GVK ending, GXK the new empire ending and Godzilla walking though Rome.
Aw why not? I'm not being mean or anything. Honestly, you are exactly the kind of guy I was looking for. I love people who disagree with me! You are the perfect guy to challenge my opinions! If I'm up here spouting nonsense, I'd love to know sooner rather than later, so please offer up your viewpoint. You could be my opponent but never my enemy.
Im very divided by the monsterverse The movies at itself are pretty good and cinematic But I agree, the monsterverse movies are portraying Godzilla and other Kaijus in a wrong way.
Yeah, I don't like him beholden to a goal that's foisted upon him. I want him to decide his own actions rather than be shackled to obligations. I'd rather be asking "what will he do?" rather than "when will he do it?".
I still enjoy Godzilla 2014, I hated KOTM with its lousy direction and lazy writting, GvK was good but a bit too SciFi and GxK is proof how much the Monsterverse has fallen tone wise. To answer your last question, I would've made Godzilla flat out antagonist, would've made Godzilla 2014 like Minus One, but taking place in modern times.
The Monstervers despite having a few bright spots I mostly see as just wasted potential. King of the Monsters was especially disappointing as it completely missed the whole point of the character and GxK The New Empire was just an absolutely embarrassing farce to sit through. It makes me all the more glad that a movie like Godzilla Minus One can exist in this day and age.
So I’m someone who isn’t a big Monsterverse fan but for different reasons. Godzilla having a different origin never bothered me as it’s a new universe with new lore. As someone what has seen all the films multiple times, I was already fine how people depict Godzilla in different ways. I’ve enjoyed films where he’s an absolute menace to man kind, but also enjoyed films where he’s a hero to humanity. So the Monsterverse making Godzilla a neutral or good guy doesn’t bother me. Neither does the removal of his nuclear origin. I actually kinda do find it fascinating that he’s some ancient monster that always existed. It’s implied that the bombing tests made Godzilla stronger and bigger so there is a hint of 54 origin. So here are my issues. Godzilla has little screen time. In the Godzilla and Kong films they mostly followed Kong and didn’t focus on Godzilla until the end. Godzilla x Kong kinda fixed it for me as the Godzilla scenes were spaced out nicely. An issue that bothers me is the lore is constantly being retcon. We got many comics and books that start off as cannon and then all of a sudden new lore drops that makes the previous lore non cannon. It makes it hard to connect with the universe when they keep changing the lore. Also theres the human characters. I think the best Godzilla films are the ones that make both the Godzilla and human scenes interesting. The human characters struggle for me to enjoy them especially when many are dropped or written weird. Another issue I have is something a bit outside of the film. People see Monsterverse Godzilla as THE Godzilla. I always saw the character more of a Spinoff version and yet everywhere I go it’s Monsterverse Godzilla. Luckily it seems that a lot of Japanese Godzilla merch and recent movies has made those Godzilla’s a bit more recognizable compared to 10 years ago. The Monsterverse for me is like a spin off that I enjoy some aspects of. Big example is seeing iconic characters with the Hollywood budget that Toho couldn’t do before. I still enjoy the films way more than the goofy Showa films and a new Millennium films. I just don’t think the Monsterverse will ever top the Heisei films or the current 2 live action Toho Godzilla films. Honestly when I think of Godzilla I think of his Heisei depictions who mind you is considered to be a hero who is sometimes neutral like the Monsterverse Godzilla.
You make a lot of great points I completely agree with. I acknowledged in other comments that I got a bit dogmatic when it comes to Godzilla's nuclear roots. I know he's a versatile character and just don't like the Monsterverse's approach, mostly because of all that retconning, the most prevalent of which is in GvK. KOTM ended with Ghidorah's uprising and mankind being decimated by the titans. GvK just ignores all of that and shifts focus to the Hollow Earth, which feels like a massive lore expansion that isn't explored meaningfully within the confines of the universe. The reason I think Godzilla's nuclear roots are so important is the same reason you love Godzilla stories with strong human characters. Godzilla being born as a result of the atomic bomb tied his existence to mankind. That relationship is a firm basis that allows us to explore a variety of themes. I also find it frustrating that Monsterverse Godzilla is now THE Godzilla for a lot of modern viewers. I'm glad the Monsterverse exists and is generating more fans, but I certainly don't want fans to consider it the apex of the series. Godzilla was an icon long before the Monsterverse rolled around and it sucks that too many people don't take the time to explore his heritage. When I have kids, I'm going to introduce them to Godzilla starting at the Heisei era. It really is the strongest series as it has a progression to it that the Showa era doesn't. It's not like I'll stop them from seeing the other films but the Heisei feels like what Godzilla was intended to be from the start. I believe 1985 is one of the most crucial films in the entire franchise. In it, we are given a Godzilla that clearly is a menace, but by the time he's falling in that volcano, you feel sympathy for him. I think that nuanced look at his character is what makes the Heisei so engaging. You're right, the Monsterverse is a different take on the character but it's a far cry from being the true Godzilla. Even if they had taken the time to plan things out and have a logical story progression, there's just a certain "it" factor that's only ever been achieved by Japanese creators. Not saying an American couldn't create a Minus One level Godzilla film, but if they wanted to, I think the smartest way would be to go back to his original roots. The homage to classic Godzilla we get from the Monsterverse always feels so hollow. "Hey look the Oxygen Destroyer" "Hey that lady comes from a family of twins" "Ford has the name Mothra on his childhood terrarium". It's like they acknowledge these things exist in the series but don't delve deeper than a cosmetic level when implementing them. I'm never going to say I don't like watching the battles in the Monsterverse, but there needs to be something else going on in the story. It has to mean something. It has to affect the universe they created. Events should inform future events. As it stands, each film feels like an entity unto itself with no regard for what came before or after. I don't get why they'd try to put these films under the umbrella of a shared universe when they don't care about continuity. Also, I talk about it in my review, but KOTM, the typical Monsterverse fan's darling film, only had Godzilla present in 7.5% of its runtime. The rest of the film is dedicated to monsters and events that are never again acknowledged (Ghidorah in Mechagodzilla is about it). That alone demonstrates the mishandling of the ongoing saga. This inconsistency isn't unique to the Monsterverse by far, but it seems like the bare minimum to consider when you start writing a new saga of films. MV fans tend to blame the Showa for the lack of continuity but the Monsterverse was never beholden to those standards. The Monsterverse had a lot of potential to give a meaningful take on the monster and instead wasted it to cash in on the name "Godzilla".
I find it more stimulating to assess something I don't like as if I were doing a puzzle, as opposed to finding different ways to reword how much I enjoyed something. But that could just be because I'm an asshole. Peace and wholesomeness makes me uncomfortable. Someone needs to get kicked in the balls eventually.
Honestly, as much as i loved g14, the monsterverse should've been similar to the millennium and Heisei era It respects the original source material while also giving us decent characters and amazing action that does Justice to the kajiu characters Take the sonic movies for example or transformers one, it gives you want you want while making sure to give us plots that we can work with Unfortunately, unlike those films, the legendary films don't care about consistency, and neither does the fans.
"Unfortunately unlike those films, legendary don't care about about consistency and neither does the fans" That's because a majority of them are seriously & legitimately hypocritical and won't accept nor admit the fact that almost 3 of the MV films are Improperly awfully made - Example: KOTM, GVK and GXK. You know what the Transformers Fandom/Community would say "It is made for fans by the fans".
@@MrWaSpY-Trn I think it's because a lot of people these days value positivity over honesty. They seem to think that if you like Godzilla, you have to like anything with Godzilla's name on it. Loyalty to your interests is fine until you treat every criticism as heresy. Not to go on a tangent here, but I notice this exemplified a lot with Caseoh's fanbase. I love Case. He's a good guy and he's very entertaining. However, he seems hellbent on maintaining a general air of positivity. It's a good thought in principle but applied in the real world, it becomes unrealistic. He plays a lot of games and almost always gives them the compliment of "W game", regardless of its quality. He wants to be nice, loveable lug that he is, but in an attempt to make the game creators feel good, he robs them of any meaningful feedback. I think the world should be more nuanced than that, where we can appreciate a product's strengths and weaknesses rather than reducing all of our opinions to a vague thumbs up or thumbs down. How do you improve a product when our kneejerk reaction is to validate it simply for existing? The hypocrisy lies in not realizing this. I've dealt with my fair share of Monsterverse fanatics who wanted to be seen as the arbiters of positivity as they insulted me for airing a dissenting opinion. "I appreciate and respect the hard work that went into these projects so F you and your channel for disagreeing"
In all my reviews, I never commented on his design. All of my criticisms were directed at he storytelling. However, that pink Godzilla is emblematic of the lack of creativity in the writing. It's like that's the most they could do to develop him as a character: Super Saiyan Rose.
@@adamcristianlopesferreira1581 No, because his body is fucking ugly! They made him too thin & skinny-looking. It's ugly. Who cares whether he's pink?
Couldn't agree more with the thematic destruction of Godzilla. But see here's another thing, MV fanatics will argue that these movies are just a love letter to the Showa era, just silly dumb movies about monsters fighting, which I might have agreed with if it weren't for a tiny lil issue: you cannot build a franchise about monsters fighting, when your main protag monster is an unkillable machine that cannot lose in any meaningful way. So you end up with either boring 1HKO fights or Godzilla having to be artificially weakened/dumbed down (oh no Godzilla was tired, oh no Ghidorah got empowered by electricity) so the plot can happen. It's like going to watch Rocky and when we get to the boxing match Rocky just wins in one punch, how fun. Showa movies at least got away thanks to the cheesiness and having decent (if quite bloody) fights, MV sacrificed the themes of Godzilla to give us a nothing burger.
This! Godzilla needs to embraced as a villain in order for the plot to have real meaning. They toy with the idea of man and Godzilla's relationship but never venture beyond the safety of "he protects us". People give the anime trilogy crap but I liked seeing the eventuality of a story where Godzilla is our greatest threat and defeats us. I think the only time that I've ever seen a story of an unkillable, overpowered protagonist work is in One Punch Man. But I don't even know how you'd try to transpose that kind of character into a Godzilla universe. It's much more satisfying for the immortal Godzilla to be the adversity to our heroes rather than him being the hero. Treating him like an underdog is laughable.
@@BrutallyHannes I actually thought of One Punch Man when writting this, but the reason OPM works is because they explore how Saitama's inmense strength has left Saitama disappointed and how being a hero is more than just brute power. OPM at the end of the day is more than just the fights, MV wants to be about monster fighting but refuses to commit by weakening Godzilla or making the monsters actually tougher (Kong should have had lighting powers, Mothra should have have her reflector scales and antenna beams, etc.) to have a real fight. Never forgiving the MV for what they did to Mothra... Btw, the lil' joke about the portagonist from KOTM losing his kid actually did remind me of the Gamera Heisei trilogy. A major plot point in 3 was how unnecessarily brutal Gamera's methods had gone for the sake of protecting Earth and the villain was a girl who blamed Gamera's destruction for the death of her parents. You can do a heroic monster who fights evil, Gamera of all things did it.
@@Bathory741-tb8mp I actually watch the Gamera trilogy again a few weeks back. I had forgotten how good Revenge of Iris was. In my head, all I remembered was the dated CGI on Iris flying through the clouds. But damn, did I completely forget how brutal Gamera was to the Gyaos. If KOTM had gone more the route that Iris did with someone trying to seek vengeance on Godzilla for the death of a loved one, it would've been much more engaging. But Mark learns to forgive and Emma doesn't seem to hold Godzilla personally accountable. Boo. I totally agree with giving Godzilla more weaknesses and less power-ups. I'd rather see enemy monsters try to take him down strategically like a Stand in JoJo. Target his eyes, offset his breathing so he cant use his atomic rays, concuss his swim bladder so he can only sink. Every time, we just get monsters slapping their meat together. It gets boring and repetitive and I think thats why they cut down on the monster action in the first few Monsterverse movies; no imagination for intelligent approaches to taking down Godzilla. Also, since I usually prioritize Godzilla and Kong in my discussions, I normally don't focus too much on Mothra. As a Mothra fan, what are your gripes about her role in the Monsterverse?
@@BrutallyHannes Well, the most important one is that Godzilla essentially stole her role. She was the benevolent deity, who prioritized the well being of all living things, including mankind. The difference is, Mothra genuinely felt like a protector who always tried the peaceful route first and only resorted to violence when she had no choice. In her debut movie, her fairies tell our protagonists that Mothra is sad because she knows innocent folks are inevitably going to die in her mission. Or in Vs Ghidorah, where the little Mothra larvae tries to get to stop Godzilla and Rodan from being idiots. Godzilla in comparison is basically an asshole who doesn't seem to care about anything he could trample and only uses force to make other Titans obey. He feels less of a protector and more like a tyrant. Hell, even Showa Godzilla was shown play fighting with Anguirus despite being the leader of the 2, can you imagine MV Godzilla doing that? The other point is that MV Mothra is cartoonishly weak compared to any other incarnation. She is laughably small (og Mothra had an insane 250m wingspan that had to be nerfed for 1964 movie), has no antenna beams, no poisonous or reflective scales, cannot summon hurricanes and basically has no stamina. The elderly dying Mothra from 1964 was actually capable of tanking Godzilla's ray (which exploded buildings) and was capable of putting a decent fight. MV Mothra got her ass handed by Rodan's puny flames, which didn't even destabilize the building they were in. TLDR; MV Mothra is a puny weakling whose only purpose is to be subservient to the asshole lizard that stole her role.
@@BrutallyHannes Not just the brutality, Gamera just fries innocents nilly-willy ua-cam.com/video/cgCWKRjoVSU/v-deo.html Like damn, what did these poor folks do?
While I don’t agree too much on KoTM, I get it all. I did enjoyed GxK, but I always felt something off about it. Lack of theater presentation or generic same old plot, or both since the late Showa series acts more like a tv series than movies. Like with the transformer movies under Michael Bay or the MCU, how much do we actually want to see from it? But still, maybe they could have kept that ominous ending in KoTM of ‘Good thing he’s on our side. For now’ and maybe show hints that Godzilla can turn on humanity. Like at the ending of Godzilla vs Kong, after the last battle, have Godzilla examine the remains of Mechagodilla and then glare at the similarities of humanity’s works. For a solo Mothra, I speculated how Battra might be introduced without the inclusion of the guardian Godzilla. Maybe have Battra also co-exist with Godzilla and have Battra’s goal to just decide the human population, which Godzilla will allow. Or, like what Dr. Serizawa said in KoTM, have humanity be Godzilla’s pets, or in other words livestock to produce nuclear energy for him. Wow, I would actually change a lot for the Monsterverse. Good luck on the next video.
Toonholt's monsterverse fanmade titan/kaiju art on deviantart is goated 💠🍷🌌 Also yeah I hope the rest of the Kajius have a distinct & different design that displays itself with the MV's monstrous aesthetic, philosophy and style/theme. Perfection at it's finest.
I prefer the direction they initially went with for Godzilla. A grounded take of a 60s/70s Showa Godzilla was a good way to differentiate it from what we later got out of Shin and Minus One. I like the idea of the Titans being closer to actual gods than just giant animals. Adding a more mythic and existential twist to the lore. I think they failed at exploring it further after KOTM. The switch to lousier plots in GvK and GxK is what killed the Monsterverse for me. And a setup for a heroic Godzilla going down to a path of villainy was right there and could have been a great way to explore his character and relationship with humanity.
As long as we ignore that due to declining box office numbers, the series had to be rebooted into a more serious tone that addressed Godzilla's nuclear roots. There's nothing wrong with favoring the Showa era so long as you don't consider it the bar of quality for all future installments. I'd rather mature into a series than mature out of it.
A lot of thoughts I have echo in this video. So I'll keep to what I personally have gripes with or like. I have a lot of appreciation for what the Monsterverse movies have done, bringing in new fans and love for a franchise that I have loved since childhood. I remember watching Godzilla 2014 in theaters when I was at the peak of my interest, I personally can forgive a lot of the gripes people have with the movie just because I liked the tone, I liked that I even got to see a Godzilla movie in my lifetime. But as the series dragged on, I started to be less and less entertained. That's what it all boils down to for me, I find these movies boring in a lot of ways that are comparable to how I feel about a lot of recent media. There's no headroom for mystery or intrigue, no deeper context surrounding the world of the Monsterverse. Everything is just explained for the audience in exact detail, with scenes that are legit just exposition for EVERYTHING, then never meaningfully builds on it anyways. There's also no stable cast of characters that appear consistently, at least it was until Godzilla x Kong. If they keep appearing in more movies, at least don't kill them off like they did for most of the interesting characters. Though, I don't particularly find any of the new characters that interesting, besides Bryan Tyree Henry my goat. There's also with how Toho deals with their monsters, meaning there's probably not even a chance we get another huge KOTM type event, and thats a huge thing I dislike. KOTM was a massive letdown for such a widely hyped movie and it took down 2/3 of the most major supporting monsters from the original movies down with it. The interesting bits of these movies are boiled down to watching the fight scenes that last like 10-5 minutes and that's it, they make you wanna skip everything else, because it doesn't stimulate your brain in any sort of way. The only actual redeeming factor I like about the Monsterverse is Godzilla vs Kong, at least the other half where they actually fight and go up against MechaGodzilla, that was genuinely fun. And I am a fan of the buildup and overall cluelessness we have about the universe as a whole in 2014. Everything after just rubs me the wrong way, in no way builds any hype or interests me in the slightest to see where it goes next.
I completely agree. Despite my frustrations, I am glad these films exist. More interest in Godzilla brings more products for us to enjoy. You hit the nail on the head, though. Sure, we have these new movies, but they aren't really building them into anything. There's no sense of direction to the ongoing story. Things just happen and we move on. It's like a piece of clay that they keep adding more layers to but never actually form it into a coherent shape. With each passing movie, the ability to do so lessens. I'm going to talk about it in the next part of this video, but I think the greatest loss in this series is the fans ability to theorize or predict anything. Fan theories are what carry franchises between installments and when you can't do that, there's not much to hold on to. Based on everything we've seen so far from these films, could you make any predictions about the next film besides Godzilla/Kong fighting a completely new monster and winning? Also, do you think that the plot of that next film would even remotely tie-in to the events of any of the previous films? Can we even guarantee the human characters we already know will even be there?
Personally, I’m fine with the monsterverse. I’m a weird little gremlin that for some reason likes when giant monsters are briefly seen on screen, because when they show up, it makes their appearances more powerful. To me, anyway. I do see your points, and I agree with some of them. I like the monsterverse for their fresh incarnation and origin of Godzilla, that he’s an ancient alpha predator who’s mostly neutral (at least I think so), but I agree with some of your points on the monsterverse and how it can be a strange series compared to other Godzilla films.
To be fair, I think Gareth Edwards was trying to take the Jaws approach to revealing his monsters and you'll never catch me disparaging Jaws, so I completely understand enjoying the slow burn. I'm glad you like the Monsterverse and will admit I do enjoy the concept of Godzilla being an ancient alpha predator, I just take issue with the execution of the idea in the films. I know I made it sound like Godzilla could only be portrayed one way, but I do recognize how versatile the character is. To me, the Monsterverse does have good ideas but when they come together, it just doesn't work for me personally. The Monsterverse is a strange series and its taken some risks, so naturally the reception would be divided. I'm glad that even though we're on opposite ends of that divide, we can still be respectful of each others opinions. To be honest, I wish I was in your shoes where I could just sit back and enjoy. Then again, trying to fit my cloven hooves into those adorable size 3 gremlin booties might be a stretch.
@ I agree, honestly. The execution of their ideas for Monsterverse can be hit or miss, but I’ve also been someone who will watch the weirdest kinds of movies for the fun of it, but your opinion is valid! I’ll continue to watch weird movies in my size 3 little gremlin shoes in peace. 🤣
If I were to remake the monsterverse, I’d replace Kong with anguirus bc 1. Anguirus was the first monster Godzilla fought. 2. Anguirus has been by godzillas side longer than Kong (even if the first movie they were fighting). 3. Godzilla and Kong are dramatically tonally different when it comes to what they stand for. One is a tragedy with mild hidden 1930s racism in there, and the other is atomic horror that is a metaphor for nuclear war and the effects it has on nature. That’s like putting a Disney princess against Frankenstein’s Monster. It barely makes any sense! And finally 4. It’s been years since anguirus got a proper return, he deserves it. I’d also make the monsterverse have a more serious tone similar to minus one but have ideas similar to the original 90s goji pitch that sadly never came to be. Godzilla wouldn’t be a hero or a villain, but an animal that kills what ever it deems as a threat, a creature that has its home taken over my a new species it’s never seen before. Basically like beast of 2000 fathoms which Godzilla had allegedly borrowed inspo from. My monster verse is just a bunch of ancient animals reclaiming their home from humanity as they are awaken from atomic testing or some other major human caused environmental issues.
That is such a great point about Godzilla and Kong's conflicting themes! I can't believe I never considered that their rivalry is solely based on being in the same weight class as opposed to it having any underlying meaning! And that's probably exactly why they had Kong instead of Anguirus. Kong is a much more familiar name than Anguirus to general audiences, so they cashed in on that as opposed to following tradition. I still can't believe they just made him a corpse in KOTM and that's it. The guy was Godzilla's boy throughout the Showa era! He took a chainsaw to the face for him! How do you diss him like that? And I absolutely agree on the more serious tone for the series. I'm starting to think Godzilla 1985 is my favorite film, mostly because he's portrayed as a dangerous animal with a hatred for humanity, yet you still feel for him when goes into that volcano. I think that nuance, where we have a threatening creature we feel sorrow for, is necessary in telling a great Godzilla story. There's an Ishiro Honda quote that many people have already posted in this comment section that the Monsterverse showrunners should have heard before they put pen to paper. "Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Very well done video with extremely well articulated arguments. I mostly agree, but times are different. And you nailed it. Marketability in a capitalist country where the story us no longer the focus, the spectacle is. Looking at you GxK and GvK. I cant wait for part 2 where i hope you address the fact that Godzilla has become the supporting Titan in his own universe. The one bright factor here is atleast they change his appearance with each movie. As much as it is to sell things, i believe the filmmakers do it to honor Godzilla's constantly changing appearance in the Toho films. Or maybe thats me huffing the copium. Great job 👍
Thank you very much, sir. There was no chance I wouldn't be talking about Godzilla being sidelined. I think they just took too long to develop him so wound up with relegating him to being a tool in the plot. Then they started developing Kong into the main character. I love the point that someone made recently that a Godzilla and Kong matchup has no deeper meaning to it as the characters represent completely unrelated ideas. I think it's emblematic of the writing of this series to have it's two main draws have nothing in common beyond being in the same weight class, which they still had to artificially create by making Kong giant for no reason. I think that's just the copium, dude. I consider Godzilla's constantly changing appearance a result of inconsistency and poor planning in the series. Don't worry, though, you're not alone. I think I gakked up my fair share of copium when I did my TNE review.
As a monsterverse fan there are inconsistencies I really don't like but i do disagree on a point the whole Godzilla is a alogory for nuclear war not every Godzilla actually fits in this role a few that don't are singular point,earth Godzilla and monsterverse are not alogorys hell even the Minus one doesn't fit in it entirely the core is there but they also tell a different story
To be fair, I don't remember too much from Singular Point. It felt like it got too big for its britches when it started delving into quantum physics. However, I'm going to have to disagree on the anime trilogy and Minus One. In both, Godzilla was born from the sin of the atomic bomb. Minus One more symbolized redemption after the war where the bomb was used. The anime trilogy, however, treated Godzilla's birth from mankind's use of the atomic bomb as an inevitability of intelligent life. A line that sticks with me from Planet Eater was that a planet is a seed and intelligent life (like mankind) is the plant born from that seed. That plant eventually bears fruit in the form of its own destroyer aka Godzilla. Ghidorah is the one that eats that fruit. The idea that Godzilla's birth from mankind's recklessness being part of a natural cycle always stuck with me. In the Monsterverse, mankind and Godzilla don't really share that kind of connection. He was here before us and he'll be here after us. We're more a phase in his lifespan. It's a pretty badass sentiment, however there's not really much to do with it narratively. To me, the atomic bomb was always our connection to Godzilla and without it, I don't really know what to think of our relationship. Sure, Monsterverse Godzilla is mankind's protector, but what makes him beholden him to that role? If he balances nature and we create an imbalance in nature, why would he protect us?
@BrutallyHannes ok i didn't know this but the monsterverse Godzilla doesn't protect humans that's the only thing I'm gonna say because he literally kills the military in Gvk the doesn't care about humanity he only cares about nature and balance not us he could careless that's all I'm gonna say yes he does leave the humans on the submarine alone but that's because they don't really attack or do anything to him it would have been freaking funny if he did kill them
I can understand your points. You enjoy the older og movies. Which is understandable as the older movies had some better writing and much more screen time for big G
If you see this comment I’m not trying to argue I’m just trying to put a point in. The last few movies have been more goofy but they are amazing my personal favorite era of Godzilla but people shouldn’t go after it for being goofy or not having a great plot because we all know deep down all we want is big monster fights. I love the MV because I can just turn off my brain and watch the movies and have fun doing it. It’s great seeing the amazing CGI that it has and by far the best fights in Godzilla history. Don’t take this as a I love the MV but not the Toho movies because I do really love toho especially -1 and shin. Please don’t get mad at me for my opinion because it’s mine and I’m not mad at yours because well it’s your opinion I can’t control it all I’m here for is to say why I love the MV. If you see this comment could you just tell me what you think of my little rant?
I dont have any problem with what you're saying so you have nothing to worry about! If you show up to these movies for the monster action, that's your prerogative and I'd never fault you for it. If you like to turn your brain off and watch the action, that's perfectly understandable. I'm just frustrated with this series because it got to the point where you are required to turn your brain off to enjoy them. You're completely justified in your position and I envy you for being able to just have fun with the movies! The only Monsterverse fans I do have a problem with are people unwilling to admit that the monster fights are all these movies really have going for them. My issue is substance over spectacle.
@ one thing to go off what you said the MV does have it’s moments aside for fights like bernie is a absolutely great character in my opinion he really stands out from the rest of the verse. Also one thing I think a lot of people don’t talk about is the fact that they write really good villains like skar and monster zero.
5:56 didn't notice that considering how many times i've watched that film 8:34 though they don't give that direct origin story they make clear that he has nuclear origin shown in gxk and LOM, but i get that it's not the same
Yeah, no lie... I originally wasn't going to watch this video thinking that it was just going to be another nonsensical Monsterverse hate vid, which is WAY too common and not for the right reasons either. I've seen plenty of people being very irrational or just downright stupid with their claims on the Monsterverse and it doesn't help that I had personal experience with some of those people that was not positive so I assumed the worst. However... unlike my younger self, I decided to give this video a shot and hear you out. To tell you the truth and for someone who grew up with the Monsterverse as his TRUE introduction to the franchise (Cinemassacre's Monster Madness just put Godzilla on my mind with 1998, 2000 and Godzilla against Mechagodzilla being the only films I watched in their entirety back then before 2014)... I do have to agree with you on some merits. The Monsterverse is not perfect and that's mainly down to the fact of the tones of each film constantly shift and the creators tend to just make up the storylines as they go on (which granted, that's the whole point of making stories but they do it sloppily at times). I do disagree on Godzilla's portrayal in MV and screentime though as both of these aspects are not new to the franchise, nor are they damaging.... well until GvK and ESPECIALLY GxK made it worse. Having MV Godzilla be this engine of nature's wrath while still having the nuclear element (though it is just pushed to the side) works for this iteration of the character; this isn't the original Gojira suddenly turning into a good guy, which would be a problem characterization wise if that were the case but it's not. This is Godzilla of another continuity. This is what makes Godzilla as a character stay alive for the 70 years he's been, his versatility... not staying the same old "I'm a vengeful a-hole, fear me!" is what keeps him alive. He's not like Batman where he only stays in one place in his world and has to stay the same broody loner to defend Gotham, Godzilla is always fighting another monster or living in a different place or having another message to tell or giving another reason for his existence and with that... he HAS to change. You can't have the same thing over and over and over again, expected to stay the same quality... hell that's why Minus One was done so well because we haven't seen that evil, vengeful Godzilla in a while. Change is a necessity but it is all about how it is done that matters. I'm not going to sit down and pretend like the Monsterverse is perfect because like I said earlier, it's not but just because it's doing something different, doesn't mean it's deserving of unjust hate. Which is what you don't give it thankfully. In short, I only disagree with how you think Godzilla's characterization in some aspects is in MV but outside of that, I do agree with everything else... especially with what KOTM did. Hence why it's still my least favorite. So sorry this ended up being longer than necessary but had a lot to say. Hopefully there's no ill will between us and you keep up the good content.
Honestly I like mv Godzilla, I like how they tried to try something new with the character. He revived the franchise! Too bad he’s barely on screen tho and the only time he’s on is him fighting another kaiju. Which also just has to have the humans shoved in there sometime in the fight directing it away. Only time it didn’t do that when he was against scylla and tiamat. Which barely lasted 30 seconds. They’re literally making movies ABOUT Godzilla yet he’s barely in it. And yet kong is legit taking the spotlight.
Let’s be real, Godzilla is always gonna fall into the cycle of threat to society/thoughtful allegory of humans destructive tendencies to wholesome protector of earth, this has been a thing since the shows series. Obviously it didn’t start out that way but like I said it’s a cycle so it goes back to kids series. Honestly, the monster verse feels like a less charming and somehow dumber but still awesome version of the mid to late Showa movies, and In the end godzilla is awesome and nothing will ever take away from the original og goji
I think the reason the Monsterverse made humanity not scared of Godzilla is because they didn’t have a nuke ever dropped on them so they have no reason to make people scared of him
I gotta be honest with you, that makes no sense. The US still bombed Japan during WW2 in the Monsterverse timeline. All they changed was that Godzilla wasn't a result of it. In the Toho series, Godzilla was nature's equivalent to the atomic bomb. It was nature's response to mankind's sin. Monsterverse Godzilla has just always been here. But even without the bomb, mankind should still absolutely be afraid of Godzilla. He flooded Hawaii and levelled San Francisco. Sure, the characters we follow understand his motivations but I doubt the people who live in the world would be so forgiving. In fact, the plot of KOTM had Mark hating Godzilla for killing his son and people protesting for the titans to be killed. Even if you believe Godzilla is doing benevolent things, you'd still run if you saw him coming. The amount of unintentional damage he causes is still catastrophic. Let alone when he decides to burn a fleet to put Kong in his place in GvK. I just long for the days where the damage he causes was intentional. I'd rather be killed as a result of his vengeance, not his bumbling clumsiness.
@@uxebob The only difference is that one are Giant Shapeshifting Alien Robots and the other are Giant Radioactive Monsters. It doesn't surprise me that bringing up the Transformers movies in this related genre but whenever I chat giant about alien robots in the TF Fandom/Community it just tells me (& you) a different story.
Technically, I wouldn't even agree the humans are the focus. They're what the camera is more often looking at, but they're not really given any meaningful development. I talk about it in my reviews, but Brody has no dialogue during the finale of 2014 where Godzilla's fighting the monster that killed his parents. In GvK, Nathan Lind has no dialogue in the Hollow Earth, which literally defines his entire character. Sure, they get more screen time but it wouldn't be accurate to say they get any real 'focus' lol
@@BrutallyHannes Well not the focus more like the screen time. Like you said in King of the Monsters, Godzilla was in the movie for what 10 minutes total.
@@darknessandmalice314 Oh I know, I was just making a joke about how what they focused on was still not good enough to make up for the lack of monster screentime.
I don't know why you play Son of Godzilla music when saying 54 should be gospel when creating Godzilla stories. Seems tonally off. But regardless, complaining that Legendary's Godzilla isn't a vengeful force of destruction as if that's the way the character is supposed to be is just complaining about the MV's basic premise. It's going into 2014 or any other MV film with a specific expectation to see Godzilla as one thing, getting flustered when the films clearly demonstrate that that isn't what the story is about, and then complaining that the story just isn't about something else entirely. Subjective, yes, but that's the problem with applying subjective standards universally. It'll set a ludicrous standard that no media can ever live up to if applied consistently.
Well, I used that music track as I described KOTM's failings and mentioned 54 briefly during that segment. I think I gave it an appropriate track when discussing the Oxygen Destroyer. Also, it may be the case that I was just disappointed that Monsterverse Godzilla wasn't the version I wanted, but how would you describe what he is? What description accurately summarizes his character from 2014 to The New Empire? What exactly is the story about? Where is the plot going? Is there a message in these movies? Do they have a goal? A theme? What I wish I'd gotten across more clearly is that when they created this saga, they should have settled on an actual arc for Godzilla's character rather than being molded to whatever the current director wanted of him. Godzilla can be a versatile character but you can't use a different version of him in every film of what's supposed to be a continuous saga. My point (which I didn't adequately phrase) is that if you don't have a plan, stick with what has proven to work.
I still love Godzilla 2014 and Kong Skull Island. KotM was the start of the decline, and by GvK it just goes full stoner / dudebro's unfunny stereotype of a Godzilla movie. I miss the age of shitpost-y humor see: Godzilla Final Wars, but when Hollywood especially nowadays tries to be "funny stupid" it just comes off as soulless quippy Marvel cringe or an excuse to just not even try to elevate the source material the way say Gamera Guardian of the Universe or Shin Ultraman do for theirs which is especially disappointing when the average Monsterverse movie commands a bloated 9-figure budget. For the record I used to be in the camp where "the human characters don't really matter in these, but it's a nice bonus when they're well thought-out like Shin Godzilla or whatever", but then when I saw Godzilla vs. Kong there was a reckoning where I was like "ok so you can in fact make the human characters and script so obnoxiously garbage not even the cool monster fights can save it" and I'm assuming Part 2/2 of this will go into that.
You know it! If you haven't checked out my full breakdowns for the Monsterverse series, then you definitely should. As I wrote my scripts, I always had that thought in mind where the human characters can still be fully realized and developed in a Godzilla film. Lo and behold, we got Minus One which proved my point exactly. The Monsterverse could've probably created more engaging human characters, had they actually attempted to do so. However, when you accept that as an impossibility and don't even bother trying, that's when you get GvK. By the way, in terms of flubbing human characters, think about this little nugget. In my GvK review, I point out how Dr. Nathan Lind's character is obsessed with the Hollow Earth and yet, when he finally gets inside the Hollow Earth, where his brother died, he literally has no lines of dialogue. I swear! He has no opinions, no character moments, and nothing to do when he finally enters the realm that defines him as a character in the story. Dude doesn't even speak up when Apex draws guns on a little girl! He just disappears from the story in the sequence he would be most relevant. The same thing happens in 2014, where Ford Brody has literally no dialogue during the entire finale. He has no opinions on Godzilla fighting the monster that killed his parents. It's like a trend in this series to set up and never pay off when it comes to the human characters.
@@BrutallyHannes I most certainly have watched your other videos! Your takedowns of GvK and KotM in particular are legendary. While I agree that 2014 has no shortage of flaws I still find a lot to appreciate in it.
Yeah this video brings up good points for a subjective perspective, each film progressively is getting lamer and is just loosing Godzilla. The only films that nail it are king of the monsters, and 2014. GVK was good however heavy plot armor was involved, and GXK was so cool but the titans didn’t feel giant. I love the Monsterverse more than any other era but yeah it’s getting worse, great video man
Thanks, buddy! Honestly, GvK was where I lost all hope because it demonstrated there'd be no attempts at continuity in terms of characters, themes or worldbuilding. I'm going to talk about it in my next video, but when all three are absent, there's no point in trying to theorize for future films. There wasn't anything for me to hold on to as a viewer. Now it's just a cartoon show with pink dinosaurs and flying monkeys.
@@BrutallyHannes Adding on to the fact Toho ruined the Monsterverse, making lore not canon, guiding the direction of it. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FILMS DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.
@@BrutallyHannes It made the whole goji species not canon, they dissed shinomura, made the muto prime not canon, and changed shimo’s model because it looked to much like Godzilla. The Monsterverse is its own thing let legendary have full control
As a monster verse fan I 100% understand hate towards these movies I prefer the absolute insane crazy monster bull crap in the current monsterverse then the dark like visibly to dark to see with the 0 screen time in Godzilla 2014 ALSO FUN FACT GODZILLA VS KONG THE MOVIE WHERE GODZILLA IS SIDELINED THE MOST IS THE MOVIE WHERE HE HAS THE MOST SCREEN TIME
I appreciate your honest opinion. If you just want to have monster fun, have at it! I'm just the kind of nudge who gets caught up on the inner workings of the movies. I envy your ability to turn a blind eye to all the issues and just have fun. I would honestly say that Godzilla vs Kong might have my favorite fight scenes in the Monsterverse thus far. However, in my next video, I'll be talking about how Godzilla vs Kong may have been the final nail in the coffin for continuity in the Monsterverse. But as for monster action, hell yeah.
@ honestly when it comes to movies I’m usually very nitpicky as well 😂 like how is there light in hollow earth or they only turned Godzilla pink cause shimos blue
While I enjoy the appearance, special effects and sound design of the monsters in the MV, the storytelling has been pretty bad. The human characters (aside from Cranston’s brief appearance) are forgettable and sometimes annoying, and the plots don’t make sense-like the ecoterrorists releasing all the monsters to restore balance to the Earth. What a ridiculous plan! What could possibly go wrong? And I felt the same way about the oxygen destroyer. Going from the original movie weighing the morality of using such a device even in a dire situation like the one they faced to using it out of nowhere as a throwaway plot device was honestly a total insult to the message of the original. And don’t get me started on Serizawa having to stay behind and sacrifice himself because the remote detonator on the nuke was damaged. That is such formulaic, overplayed Hollywood nonsense that has been used countless times, most notably at the end of Armageddon with Bruce Willis’ sacrifice. With all the complaints of the 2014 movie, I’ve come to find that one my favourite of the MV movies because it is the most grounded. No hollow Earth, no radical technology, spaceships(?), etc. Just good old tanks and fighter planes, falling hopelessly at the feet of these unstoppable creatures. I’m not saying I hate these movies; I do enjoy the monster scenes. Rodan’s first appearance in Mexico was one of the most beautiful things in the entire franchise, and I enjoy the sounds and imagery of the battles, not to mention the mix of new monsters and old classic ones (hoping to see Gigan in the future). But Hollywood really needs to get their act together in the writing department. Just look at what Toho did with Minus One. The emotional impact in that movie is off the charts.
I'll never say the Monsterverse films don't look great cosmetically, I just wish those moments were supported by a well-written story. It's always spectacle over substance in these movies. Consider Godzilla and Kong's battle at sea. It was a great sequence that looked incredible. But when you think about it, you could remove the scene from the film and it would have no impact on the story. Kong still gets to Antarctica, Godzilla returns to the ocean, and the thousands of seaman who died are never mentioned again. That's always been my biggest problem with these movies. Amazing sequences happen but their impact is never felt in the greater scheme of things. I wish they'd kept the tone of Godzilla 2014 because everything after that was just adding more elements with no connectivity and minimal explanation. The Hollow Earth, the tech, the titan radiation. It's all just thrown in and ripped out willy-nilly. The Godzilla fan in me wants to see an American take on Gigan, but the UA-camr in me wants to see how bad the writing fucks him up.
@ At this point I’ve come to accept that the story in these movies will probably disappoint, and that I’m just there to see the monsters-be it Gigan or whoever. As far as feedback on New Empire, I actually think it wasn’t too bad, mainly because it did something new. Yes, the story was forgettable and the human characters weren’t compelling at all, but the new monsters were actually kinda cool and the fight at the end was pretty entertaining. I’m not really sold on the pink Godzilla, and I found that some parts of the movie lost scale, like the scene in the great ape lair where we first see Scar King. There are no man-made structures there so the monsters can’t be compared to things we’re familiar with so in my mind they inadvertently became human-sized, if that makes sense. Those parts of the movie felt kinda small as a result. But again, I appreciated it being more original than the previous two films. KOTM and GVK relied too much on fan service, like bringing back the burning Godzilla from 1995, the oxygen destroyer, and when Mechagodzilla became corrupted by the Ghidora skull, like how the Kiryu Mechagodzilla was corrupted by the ‘54 Godzilla skeleton. The one thing they did NOT bring back, which I thought they would, was Mechagodzilla having the Godzilla skin disguise at the start of the movie, like the original 70’s version. The trailer even made it look like that, quote: “Godzilla is out there hurting people and we don’t know why.” So I completely expected them to do the Terminator thing with Mechagodzilla and reveal that he’s not the real one partway through, after he’s fought Kong and harmed a bunch of people already. The real Godzilla shows up later on or something like that-I dunno, but that’s not what we got and it was the one time I thought they SHOULD have reused the original idea. I know that’s a bit hypocritical since I just said they did too much fan service, but the way MV Mechagodzilla was revealed in the movie was pretty lacklustre. What I’d really like to see is MV Godzilla fight another Godzilla. And model the bad Godzilla after one of the classic ones-resized, of course. Like have 1985 Godzilla (since that’s my favourite) come in Thanos-style and decimate the good monsters, then they have to regroup and figure out a way to beat the bad one, likely by trapping it or something since killing it would likely be impossible. Making them team up with it to fight a common enemy is overdone so I wouldn’t do that. I’m biased towards 1985 Godzilla since that’s still my favourite Godzilla movie, plus he looks and sounds amazing, and frankly doesn’t get the attention he deserves nowadays. It would be a nice tribute to see him lay waste once again.
I've never even cared enough to watch these films, you can't recreate the magic and authenticity of men in monster suits, I may have been fooled with the 2014 film myself because I was just a kid but everything afterwards I automatically knew was gonna be nothing but marvel action slop without a modicum of nuance.
9:46 yes. Remember godzilla sells toys and people love it. Look at minus one. Plus godzilla isn't saving humans in protocol he's protecting the earth. He doesn't care how many humans die or how many cities are destroyed as long as the villain is dealt with. That pretty much makes him a short of antihero. Kinda like his heisei counterpart. Plus in the context of this universe I'm cool with godzilla not being created by nuclear weapons instead it woke him up from a long nap and is always is. Not every version of godzilla needs to be like the 54 version. It's trying to be it's own thing and toho liked it.
I think Toho likes the Monstervers because it sells toys. They're probably just honored to have Hollywood revitalize interest in Godzilla. Did they ever say what they specifically liked about the Monsterverse or did they just give it a thumbs up?
@BrutallyHannes Well Toho has generally been positive about the Monsterverse Godzilla, it's not necessarily a case of "love" as much as appreciation for the character's continued popularity and exposure on a global scale. So it's most likely both maybe the ladder. Plus they wouldn't be working with legendary since gvk if they didn't have faith in legendary doing godzilla, Mothra rodan and king ghidorah and mechagodzilla right
@ I think that 1998 also factors in. Toho saw the worst case scenario for an American adaptation for their monster and even took shots at it in their own films (GMK and Final Wars). Compared to that, Monsterverse Godzilla is a dream. I completely understand Toho's support of the Monsterverse but I'd LOVE to hear their thoughts on its specific elements.
Well... I love Godzilla. I grew up on it. Even if I disagree with the creative choices being made, I'll still show up for my boy. The fact is, if I'd never watched the Monsterverse movies, I'd have no right to talk about them. I have to expose myself to a product in order to have an opinion about it, but I'm in no way obligated to have my opinion be a positive one. Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why you're a Godzilla fan? Maybe there are reasons that you never actually considered because you never took the time to explore them. For me, these videos are that exploration. I like learning about myself as I figure out why I like some things and not others. I'm glad you asked this because you inspired a new idea for a video. So let me ask you, why do you like Godzilla?
yknow most of these sort of vids are just people with absolutely no idea of how things work with godzilla but this guy does understand and was just stating an opinion, while yes mv is my fav godzilla series all of these points i agree on especailly the oxygen destroyer and how it shouldve had way more built up and how the legacy monsters shouldve 100% not been the SECOND MOVIE.
My favorite Godzilla is the one from the showa series, I like Godzilla as a charismatic character, he doesn't need to be a good guy for me to like him, I love his personality and I also like the fact that he's the only Godzilla to go through a character arc, in raids again he's an neutral character, in vs king kong, vs mothra and Ghidorah he's a vengeful villain, in astro monster, ebirah and son of Godzilla (and also destroy all monsters) he's an anti hero and finally, in the 70s movies he became a hero, it makes me like that incarnation way more than any other version of him that there is, in all honesty, the essence of character depends on the incarnation that we are talking about, the atomic bomb essence of Godzilla only applies to the original Godzilla, the minus one incarnation and from what I can recall, the heisei era one, so yeah, all that I am trying to say is...Godzilla is not a fixed character since not all Godzillas are the same character, and I also prefer charismatic Godzilla over edgy Godzilla like the one from gmk and shin...oh and one last thing, I dislike the monsterverse too
I like how you (and even in the Godzilla Fandom/Community a dozen people) don't like the MV which they resort on only calling it as a hollywood Insult like - "the midverse" or "Midsterverse" to easily fish/magnetize out for the type of rage-baits that have value because the films are a outcast for the Gojira fandom. For me the monsteverse is becoming the next Bayverse 2.0 (unfortunately).
@MrWaSpY-Trn tbh Kong skull island and Kotm were good just sucks that every movie now is so washed down and that's a good point of calling it the bayverse never thought about it like that lmao
@@Knee07 The only films that damaged the MV were (likely) KOTM GVK and GXK. I guess that's & this is what happens when you have a movie studio that gets a couple different directors with their own ideas/plans/styles/themes for staring a cinematic universe, smfh. 🤷♂️ and admittedly here we are now. /:
Honestly, while the human element of GxK was pretty mid (expect for Trapper, I loved that guy), the monster element was phenomenal. The CGI allows for the monsters to be completely expressive, and I honestly think the MV allows for the opportunity to tell a Godzilla story without any human involvement whatsoever. I'm curious to see what Grant Sputore brings to the table for the next MonsterVerse movie, and to see if he can learn from the highs and lows of the directors that came before us to give us something great.
I can see your point in this video, and I agree with some of it, but obviously not all of it. I might be critically 'blind' or be a smooth brain in some regard, but I actually liked G14 and I ADORED KOTM. The latter was the kind of Godzilla film I wanted to see since the wilderness years of the franchise. (Excluding the Russel family subplot, I treated those portions of the film like unofficial intermissions) And I'm gonna be honest, I have to disagree with your take on Godzilla's portrayal in the Monsterverse. I grew up with a bias towards a more heroic Godzilla via Final Wars and various showa entries. I just find the idea of rooting *for* the monster rather than against it, and the plot actually giving you reason to root for said Monster, to be very interesting. That being said, I'd stick with his portrayal here, but with a more aggressive edge, a more neutral anti-heroic character, he'd do things in accordance with Nature, but that doesn't mean he'll always be *our* savior, when he brings destruction, it wont be senseless, there'd be a purpose to it. in a nutshell, we start building Ivory towers in our own honor, he'll tear them down, but if we are in crisis without hope, then he'll be that hope, or the thing that ends the crisis. Another thing I'd do is in KOTM, if they HAD to use the bomb to bring Godzilla back, at least call it out for what it is: a necessary evil for the sake of peace, but at what cost? and will Godzilla forgive them afterwards for it? Also I'd give him an ACTUAL arc for his character. When you think about it, Godzilla has never really been a "Character" in any of his movies, just a plot device or a MacGuffin or a mix of the two with the illusion of a character. (Could be a hot take but I'll leave it here anyway) But I get it, you resonated more with his OG interpretation, the destroyer, the monster born from our nuclear recklessness, awesome man. But while that interpretation is the seed of what Godzilla is, don't forget about the massive and variable tree he's grown into (And he has been a tree!) He's a hero, a villain, a destroyer, a protector, destruction itself, nature's champion, it's bane, and a marketable plush or figure. I don't think you could tie him down to a singular portrayal and say: "That's all you need to know about him" or "This is the true depiction," he's too many roles he fits extremely well in now. And I've got a feeling he'll be given more as time goes on. Before I cap things off, lemme pitch you an idea for a Godzilla film that could marry our two visions of Godzilla, what if a movie was made that gave him the Iron Giant treatment. "Godzilla; a creature born from atomic devastation, who's existence is a warning and a cruel reminder of our hubris and our fragile nature. He's a force of destruction, but what if he didn't want to be...?" Whew, this was a long one, hope you can digest this, I liked the video!
@@strikerfc-gv7pc I'm surprised that I'm the _only one_ in the MV community who's open-minded here and straight up don't screech/shout out my (opposing) opinions in a abrasively obnoxiously annoyingly rude way.
I have great reverence and appreciation for everything the Showa did. But I agree with Ishiro Honda's opinion that it became too far a departure from Godzilla's character.
@ I literally just said that the Showa era was too far a departure from the intended characterization of Godzilla, which was better represented in the Heisei and Millennium sagas. I just didn't want to discount the Showa era's additions to the Godzilla universe, like, you know, King Ghidorah, Gigan, Mothra, etc. If you're calling me a 'Showa fanboy' for recognizing the Showa era's contributions, I genuinely wish you luck on your journey through life. You need it more than you're clearly capable of realizing.
@ I do too! I just think it's wrong to discount all that came between those sagas and the original. The Showa era isn't the pinnacle of cinema, but in the context of the Godzilla series, the monsters and concepts they added are irrevocably part of Godzilla's history and also facilitate those later sagas. What would the Heisei and Millennium sagas be without Mothra, Ghidorah, Gigan and Mechagodzilla? Hell, Final Wars would've been Godzilla just walking toward a spaceship for 40 minutes. GMK without the M and K? Please. Overrated maybe, but essential nonetheless. That was my point.
With the nuclear origins thing, they shouldve made the nuclear bombs make him slightly taller (85m to 108m) and have atomic abilities. Also keep the tsunamis as a running thing, so hong kong gets flooded and the fghts occur on the mountain. Also make the twin sisters family from be involved Godzilla 3 or Mothra solo movie. For What we kniw as gxk remove mothra, shimo and goji (maybe include one of the unseen kaiju from kotm) back to KOTM, save the oxygen destroyer for the final fight, and show that some people didnt evacuate (not a better main cast they evacuate because reasons) and died. Additionally, have the terrorist guy from kotm (or whatever antagonist) be a reoccurig godzilla opp and pilot MG. For KOTM, unlock spiral heat ray, not thermo. Also only tease destroyah lightly by having them go through the zoo i forgot the name of in boston and see a dead crab (this crab wont become dest but dest will form in boston in my hypothetical) mothra's sacrifice then would be lending her energy to to Godzilla. Rodan halfway through would be anihilted by goji and switch sides onky to be killed by ghidorah. So mothra will revive rodan to give him the beam from 1993, (temp ability) so my timeline would go (G14, Skull Island KOTM, GVK, Kong 2 (gxk replacement) Godzilla 3, Mothra, Kong 3, Rodan, Godzilla X Kong (not the gxk we know) make suggestions to this timeline or my alterations. Note that it is a bit incoherent I just wrote what I was thinking
I'd agree with nuclear weapons having any meaningful impact on Monsterverse Godzilla. I like the idea of him earning his beam somewhere in the first movie. I just really hate the idea that he's had his beam since the dawn of time. Like if you want to make him a symbol of nature, giving him a radioactive heat beam is the most unnatural edition. Maybe Castle Bravo gave him his beam but the 2014 movie never specifically said so. In fact, all they would have had to do was make him look different before and after that first bomb and we could just do the math in our heads.
And YES! The tsunamis! Imagine if he caused one as he left the city of cheering people at the end of 2014. As for the twins, they pissed away that opportunity way too early and then they dropped the character. Never even bothered making a connection between the twins and Mothra before they disappeared from the plot. And they should definitely bring back the monsters featured during Ghidorah's uprising. I still can't believe they dropped all of that at the start of GvK.
Guys, I gotta say, I really appreciate the polite discourse! I'm glad we could share ideas here without going for each others throats. Makes me proud to have such respectful viewers. Thank you all.
ALSO! I'm almost done with the script for Part 2 and would love your input on what I should cover in The New Empire. Though I've already made a review video for it, I realized that in an attempt to not come off as a broken record and take a more positive approach, I didn't accurately convey my feelings on the film. Looking back on it, it almost feels like I'm reading a script in a hostage video. Guess that explains the Monsterverse Stockholm Syndrome I succumbed to.
So if you guys have anything that just nags at your brain about The New Empire, leave your opinions below!
That's the one, yeah. Love those video's!
I feel like if it were just a solo kong film like what they originally planned the film could have felt less overstuffed.
Then kong and skar king could have had more screen time together like maybe a friendly rivalry that turns to hate when kong sees how cruel skar is to the other great apes and humans.
Sort of like that war of the gargantuas film but with big monkeys!
@@thetrench8486 I'd have been down for that. If The New Empire was about Kong earning his kingdom, he really should've done it on his own. He should've earned his title like Godzilla did in KOTM. Also, Skar King deserved a little more screen time. I would've liked more development of Kong's opposite.
Godzilla's role in TNE was more just a collection of random monster fights. It feels like they didn't know how to develop his character in a narrative sense so they chose to change him cosmetically, which really irks me. Like are we really going to be looking at a pink Godzilla from here on?
You know, since we have the King of the Monsters and now Kong has earned his title of King, we could end the series with an actual showdown between them. The title writes itself: "Godzilla x Kong: The War of Kings" or "Godzilla x Kong: The Last King".
I mean we already killed Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla so I don't know what other final boss we could be looking at. Destroyah's out because we pissed away the Oxygen Destroyer in KOTM. I guess we could do Space Godzilla, even though we haven't established why there'd be a Godzilla in space.
At this point, the only thing I would really want to see is Biollante being the goddess of the Hollow Earth taking on Hedorah, the biproduct of mankind's disrespect for nature. That could be an interesting arc that would tie in all the elements and themes of the movies thus far.
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An all out war film to end the series would be so cool!
@ A modern Destroy All Monsters would totally be worth it. I mean, there has to be some kind of endgame to this story. I hope it doesn't just fizzle out.
If it were up to me, the next film would be all set up for a big finale. Lines should be drawn between factions, forces should be gathered and tension should be mounted. Then follow that up with a grand finale that ties a bow around the whole series.
If it were up to me, I'd have Godzilla determine mankind is nature's biggest threat and have Kong step up to defend us. Have Kong kill an adolescent Suko to give Kong a true motivation in taking out Godzilla. If Godzilla's fighting for nature and Kong's fighting for mankind, it would keep us guessing as to who is in the right.
I don't know. Just choose to do something with all of this.
Most of the time when I see videos like this, is normally some kid complaining about "Ohhhh where is destoroyah" or "Ohhh why is kong even able to hurt godzilla" but this video was great. It brought up good and new points I haven't heard before, me personally I LOVE G14 though I am a little bias as it was one of my first godzilla films (First was King kong VS Godzilla) but other than that, yeah the Monsterverse has been dropping the ball more and more every film. Their best works honestly are their comics in my opinion. KOTM was good, GVK was a let down, and GXK was painfully average. Keep up the great work!
I do love the monsterverse but he did name some good point!
Btw you are better than FDA
Don’t tell him🤫
@@doylesdoingthings6597 Oh really :)
One of the few times I agree with you on something
I remember actually being excited for the new mv films, who wanted to see how they would handle that dark mysterious tone in movies like kotm, or gvk, but to see these films slowly progress into the same old thing you see in movies like the Michael Bay transformers movies is honestly disappointing, it also doesn't help that people will dismiss any criticism and blindly defend these movies, no one cares about flaws, no one cares about the true potential of Godzilla as a character, these so called "fans" will tell you straight to your face that you are just a tourist and Godzilla is nothing more but a giant lizard meant to entertain us, when he's far more than just that.
Agreed. And you're awesome. Love your content.
MV destoroyah kids annoy me sometimes
I like that you don't beat down the MonsterVerse like other people. Your argument is valid and I agree with the fact that the MonsterVerse isn't perfect with the choices they make with the human characters but not the monsters. Honestly, I watch the MonsterVerse movies because of how they handle the monsters. The monster designs, habits, biology, and sounds are based on real animals. As someone who likes to study animals, I really like all the little details about the monsters biology the movies try to provide. Not a lot of movies do that, especially monster movies. I know Toho did something similar with the monsters in their movies but you usually had to find most of that information outside of the movie itself while the MonsterVerse builds this information into the story with the help of Monarch. That's what makes these movies so rewatchable to me because I like to learn about the monsters as if they were real animals.
Ikr
I agree that they did attempt to bring the monsters to life by giving them characteristics that are more in line with animals we're familiar with, but I think they only did that at the surface level. They introduced a lot of interesting ideas but they don't really take the time to develop them.
Something that sticks out like a sore thumb to me is that in KOTM, they establish the monsters give off a certain kind of radiation that basically restores natural life wherever they go. I thought that was something that would be expounded upon in the later films and become a major aspect in the ongoing story. But since then, the movies haven't really addressed it. At the end of KOTM, we're told that Godzilla is on our side for now but his attitudes may change. I thought the next film might have a discussion about Godzilla destroying cities but improving the environment. It would've been interesting for mankind to have to rethink our role in the natural order. Would we accept that we've overextended ourselves into becoming detrimental to nature or would we fight back against the monsters to claim what's rightfully ours? Instead we shifted focus to the Hollow Earth and basically dropped the discussion about our role on the surface world. We did create Mechagodzilla, who's existence in this world where natural titans restore organic life could've worked into that dilemma. But the moment came and passed and nothing meaningful seems to have changed in universe.
In all my reviews, I don't really address monster design because I tend to focus more on how they're used in the narrative. You could have the best, most interesting design for Godzilla as an animal, and I definitely think the Monsterverse Godzilla design is great, but if he isn't given anything meaningful to do in the story besides beating a bad guy, it just feels like all that thoughtfulness and effort goes to waste.
As I've said before, I hate the Monsterverse but I'm glad it exists. It introduced a lot of interesting ideas but never really got around to figuring out how to properly implement them. The pieces were all there to make a truly poignant addition to the series, but it just fell flat in the grand scheme of things.
Toho movies aren't perfect either
That's how I watch movies like the monsterverse too😂😂😂
i always go from love the monsterverse to being very disappointed at its missed potential. missed potential is the worst thing a godzilla film can have, we’ve gotten to this point in the monsterverse where every movie is just another “weekly evil ancient rival here to take over the world!”
and the fact that all the characters are just poorly written”silly lol dumb humans” takes away from the kaiju action. with gxk i became so desensitized to the action halfway through that nothing got me hyped. human substance needs to exist to make the monster scenes better.
the only reason the monsteverse exists now seems to be to sell toys, hey but at least the toys are cool..
Someone said on firewood media that they are comparing the MV to the Michael Bay Transformers because it in general they act like a "dumb toy commercial".
I think the Monsterverse was presented as a burger but they only gave us the patty. Sure, the patty is the most crucial part of a burger, but without all the other layers, it's just dead meat.
I hate the way how they made Godzilla an absolute Mary Sue and way how they nerfed Kong, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah, and MechaGodzilla compared to Godzilla was horrible.
I agree with almost everything you said except for them nerfing Kong. Bro, they had to double his size without explanation and give him a melee weapon to even be able to contend with Godzilla. If anything, they made him a Hairy Sue. Even gave him a sympathetic kid for plot armor.
Yo, have you ever seen the size comparison for Skull Island Kong and Suko? They're near identical in height. So Kong was a child sized adult that grew and maintained his adult form? It's bananas!
Me personally if i was going to go back i would try to make the monsterverse basically a heisei era retelling @BrutallyHannes
@@Godzillafan1993 My god would I love a remake of 1985! Heisei definitely would've been a solid foundation for a long term series like this.
@@BrutallyHannes as you can tell by my profile pic and my name godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2 is my all time favourite movie in general number 1 all time
@ It's actually the movie with the most Godzilla screen time at around 26 minutes. Gotta love that soundtrack too.
I also like that Mechagodzilla 2 was the only one to actually defeat Godzilla (before he cheesed it by re-growing an organ).
It's been a while since I've seen that one so I really need to watch it again. A shot that I always remember is when Mechagodzilla goes to turn and you can see the segments of his body moving separately. Always thought it was a cool design.
1998 "Zilla" was a cool interpretation for me, like provided we got the sequels it would've been unhinged population control and a bunch of Zillas that kill aliens
Godzilla didn't kill a dog.
The dog ripped loose and beat everybody getting the hell out of that area.
There's no way that dog outran the tsunami that swept up literally everyone on that street. That dog was done-zo.
I think we can all agree that the Heisei Godzilla era is the best Godzilla era!
Exactly! Godzilla was always the most engaging when he was the obstacle that mankind had to overcome. Whenever Heisei Godzilla appeared, the tension would rise. Who knows what destruction he would cause?
In the Monsterverse, Godzilla's arrival signifies things are going to be okay. He's the hero programmed to save the day so why worry? Yawn.
Yo, whats your favorite Hesei film?
@ although to be fair he did become somewhat of an anti hero in the last three films what do you think about that?
Not really. That title would've rather go to the Millenium era.
@@BrutallyHannes My favorite Heisei Godzilla film is the 1984 one, being the most competent out of them all.
Heisei Godzilla era is the worst
I get what your saying but getting something new can be a good thing. If we just keep getting something like 1954 or -1 over and over again. We would get tired of Godzilla. But that didn’t happen due to the monster verse with its silly story that people enjoy like GXK. This means no hate to you
I may love the Monsterverse, but it’s always respectable when someone else voices their opinion, not afraid to voice an arguably hot take. I thought this was a very well thought out video and detailed, well done sir, you have my respect.
That one guy in the comments saying minus one and 2014 Godzilla is trash hurt my soul. But in the end of the day i gotta respect someones opinions even if i think there crazy.
It's part of the their own agenda(s) of being abrasively annoying & obnoxious on saying it that way probably why.
@joelsaquic1529 9/10 its rage baiting
@@MrWaSpY-Trngotch ya So like just for attention.
Oh he's just talking sass. If you playfully agree with him, you take the wind out of his sails.
Honestly, I feel the exact same way and when I mention this to anyone in the community I get shunted off, told "You're just jealous that the Monsterverse is better than the suitmation movies" and called a 'fake fan'. It's honestly so frustrating and I'm glad that we share an opinion
Suitmation, even if it looks dated, was infinitely more interesting than CGI because it was always fun seeing how they pulled off certain effects. You can be more forgiving of the quality because the level of craftsmanship involved is something to behold. Knowing a physical object is there makes it feel more real. Monsterverse Godzilla can look badass as all hell but you're eyes still know he isn't real.
Atleast it doesn’t compare mv movies to recent toho movies like minus one while they have completely different stories
It doesn't make sense to compare different versions of Godzilla because his character can only be judged by the story he's in.
Minus One Godzilla makes sense in his own story. Monsterverse Godzilla feels different from movie to movie even though they're in the same saga. The Godzilla in 2014 is COMPLETELY different than the one in GxK.
I'd have the same complaints if Minus One was an ongoing saga where by the fifth film, he was shaking hands and kissing babies.
Always appreciate any love and respect shown to Raymond Burr. It makes me so sad how much fans nowadays brush over the U.S. version of the original Godzilla.
Raymond Burr is the unsung hero of the Godzilla series. You know they were planning to cast him in a sequel to Godzilla 2000? That would've been amazing to see him one last time.
Also, he's a big reason why Godzilla 1985 wasn't re-edited as a comedy starring Leslie Nielsen. I'd love to see it in an alternate universe but I'm glad we got the version we have. Minus the Dr. Pepper and red-headed major of course.
I was actually just looking him up on Wikipedia and he seemed to be a complicated and mysterious character. Definitely worth it to check it out.
The real "Godzilla King of the Monsters"
As a lifelong Godzilla fan that owns nearly every film on dvd (some import) I respectfully disagree with your entire video.
1. 90 percent of Godzilla films are mostly boring human scenes with an epic fight at the end. If you do research, you would be surprised that Godzilla king of the monsters has more Godzilla screen time than many of the classic movies. King of the monsters actually has like 5 different scenes featuring monsters doing epic stuff. I personally think it’s the 3rd best film ever made behind minus one and Godzilla 1954. The monster fights were epic and the scale of the monsters/ battles were done very well. Just my opinion
2. Godzilla is feared/taken seriously in like 6 films. The other 27 he’s a hero that kids love. Basically the entire showa era after Mothra vs Godzilla.
3. Godzilla films most of the time are not very good “films”. It’s always aliens using a monster to rule the world and Godzilla shows up and smash. It’s very repetitive and cheesy. Power rangers level cheesy
4. Any complaint about humans being forgettable or having bad dialogue is odd, because again that’s a staple of the franchise. There are very few films with human scenes that are good.
Maybe you were expecting more? I personally love the monsterverse films. I can see a casual viewer not loving them all, but a lifelong Godzilla fan should have no complaints considering the quality of the films from Japan. Minus one is the movie we all wanted, and I personally think it’s the best movie in the entire series. But if you’re gonna go the monster rumble route, I think monsterverse has done pretty good. No hate just my take
Oh, buddy... Strap in.
1. My complaint isn't that the humans have too much screen time. My issues is that they don't develop the human characters well enough in the ample time they're given. There's also a good chance those characters will disappear by the next film.
Let me be absolutely clear about this. King of the Monsters DOES NOT have more Godzilla screen time than "most" other Godzilla films. In fact at 9:53, there are at least twenty other movies that beat it! The top is Mechagodzilla II with over 26 minutes and it's runtime is nowhere close to KOTM's.
Trust me, in my KOTM review, I literally time the scenes. There's less than three minutes of monster fights before the final battle of the film. On top of that, those fights are interrupted by meaningless human drama that has no payoff.
2. Six serious films? There are more than six films between the Heisei series, Millenium series, Shin Godzilla, Minus One, the anime films and, of course, the original.
I also don't think that you should be regarding the lowest performing era of the series as the gold standard. Even Ishiro Honda didn't like the direction the series took during the Showa.
3 & 4. Just because there have been bad films in the past doesn't mean the Monsterverse shouldn't have attempted to do better. As I said, the lowest point shouldn't be the highest expectation. You gonna tell me that a modern Hollywood film with a budget in the hundreds of millions shouldn't try to be better than a low budget 1960's Japanese film? Phooey.
Yes, I did expect more.
The potential the Monsterverse had was beyond anything the franchise could have previously hoped for in it's 70 year legacy. This was an opportunity to create a well written and thoughtful approach to a Godzilla story that would appeal to even general audiences. Minus One clearly demonstrated that was possible.
The Monsterverse never found it's identity as a saga. It couldn't settle on the story it wanted to tell and just left it up to whomever currently held the reigns. It blew all the big name monsters way too soon, mishandled legacy concepts, and resorted to just throwing more and more elements against the wall in the hopes of finding something that sticks. Putting 2014 and The New Empire side by side shows they couldn't even nail down a tone. They literally resort to cave paintings to inform Godzilla's motivations as a character. Through it's lack of continuity or acknowledgement of events from film to film, you can't even make your own theories as to where the story's going. Let's be real, the showrunners don't even know.
It's easy to have a blasé attitude toward the Monsterverse when you look purely at what we got. My frustration comes from what could have been, had the minds of the Monsterverse realized the potential of their main attraction.
Although your points are valid I just need to state that Godzilla is very vesitile character who can still represent loads of things. Kotm has shown how much we humanity damages nature for their own means and the titans representing on how nature always comes back.
I absolutely agree that he's a versatile character. I'm just annoyed that they dispensed with the tried and true theme his character represented in favor of being an agent of "balance" without ever defining what balance is.
If it were the balance of nature, he should be coming after its greatest threat: mankind. However, since they also want him to be mankind's savior, it's as if his two primary directives conflict. They've been teasing he might turn on mankind ever since the end of KOTM but you know they'll never really do it, leaving him as the immortal defender of what should be his greatest enemy.
I could just be looking at it the wrong way though. I've delved so deep into this series that maybe I'm not seeing the forest through the trees. How would you define Monsterverse Godzilla's relationship with mankind?
the “godzilla is a versatile character” argument doesn’t work when his character completely changes and gets even more ruined in each film within the same continuity
you can’t go from “ancient animal awakened” to “human protector and balancer of nature who loves humans” to “balancer of nature that hates humans” to “balancer of nature who has no emotional and kills everything and destroys cities”
@@uxebob Exactly! I could abide with any characterization of Godzilla so long as its informed by the story and maintains continuity in an ongoing series. Its not that what the Monsterverse wanted for him was impossible, it's just that they never got a firm grasp on it. It could've worked, they just muddled it.
@@BrutallyHannes Valid valid but Heisei Gamera protects all life on Earth. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t include humanity but not just regulated to it. Yes we are the biggest threat to nature but this Godzilla cleans the mess humanity makes as in king of the monsters when ever kaiju attack cities loads of plant life is left behind. Meaning he doesn’t need to destroy humanity.
@@bintasenghore3321 Sure, but doesnt it feel like they threw that ability in just to justify his actions? The movies havent really addressed it since.
Also, Heisei Gamera is the Guardian of the Universe but his methods got a bit... brutal by the time Iris came by. I mean, that was the plot of Revenge of Iris. Gamera's well intentioned but collateral damage is an unavoidable part of it.
I dont like that Monsterverse Godzilla was inexplicably given an out with that "healthy radiation" ability. Especially since the movie begins by showing that Mark's son died as part of that collateral damage. A few ferns don't really make up for that.
I’m honestly really happy you made this video. I used to be a monsterverse fan but as time went by the series just left a bad taste in my mouth as I started seeing the films the same way you did and have clearly seen the flaws you have addressed in this video. However, the toxic community was what made me not like the monsterverse in all of it’s entirety. I was always so afraid to say that I do not like the monsterverse but am a Godzilla fan due to not wanting to be “that guy”, but this video really made me feel confident about being open with my opinion, respectfully of course. Thanks man, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!
Trust me, I've been "that guy" for years so I completely hear you on the toxicity in the fanbase. It's a terrible kind of toxicity too, where those fans try to be so loyal to the Monsterverse that they begin treating any dissenting opinion as heresy. Then suddenly you become the toxic one for being honest.
I understand that those fans only want to be positive and supportive, but they just wind up becoming hateful and obstinate. It starts to go against the idea of community when you shun anyone who thinks differently.
I made this video to try to reach out to those fans in a manner where they can't just label me a 'hater' and ignore my points. I guess it worked because I'm surprised by the amount of polite discourse between MV and non-MV fans in my comment section.
I'm glad this video had a positive impact on you and I hope you don't let the toxicity keep you down! It also made my day to know my channel is giving other people the confidence to be brutally honest! Really, thanks again, man.
I disagree on some of your points, but i do respect your opinion if i were to redo the monsterverse id say the comic tie ins should have been adapted as films as they add so much more lore and history to the world!
The universe just looking through the films feels more disconected and loose.
I wholeheartedly agree. I hear good things about the comics but I haven't looked into them because I both didn't feel the movies earned my investment and I wanted to keep a clear focus on the films for the sake of my reviews. But it does seem that they did a lot of the work the films should have.
I was hoping that Legacy of Monsters would have added some meaningful worldbuilding and answered some of the questions I had, but we all know how that turned out. They should just adapt the comics instead of gunning forward with no real plan.
@BrutallyHannes
I still need to finish that monarch series, but if you want to know a bit about the comic lore there are tons of videos and wikis that can give a general overview of them, also the film novelisations of kotm, gvk & gxk tend to include the comic lore into them to try and make the series feel more connected!
@@thetrench8486 Honestly, you don't really need to finish the series. It doesn't add anything meaningful to the overall story of the Monsterverse. I mean, if you liked the characters then the end has a couple of interesting twists and turns you might enjoy. Otherwise, you aren't really missing anything crucial.
I have been tempted to check out the comics but I address why I haven't in the next video. I trust they are entertaining and flesh out the universe, but it just feels like a deeper layer of fandom that the films didn't earn from me. In my head, I can't rationalize thinking "Man, I hated that movie. Better shell out money on a book that explains how that crap was actually enjoyable."
Again, no insult to the novelizations or comics. The films just didn't do a good enough job convincing me to dive deeper.
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fair enough, like the comics aren't some dimonds in the rough but i can't help but feel like they had more potential for a film given that the monsterverse films don't expand on the world aside from say the hollow earth.
And just a fun little lore note according to Gvk's prequal comics Godzilla Dominion & Kindom Kong both monsters were acutely aware of the other.
Godzilla has a flashback to an old rivalry with a great ape (tho not skar king) who he lost too in the past and he never got to settle the score as the kong died long before godzilla could rematch him.
In kingdom kong, kong finds an old mural on skull island implied to be dypicting godzilla and his old rival in battle.
In the film they go with the whole there can't be two alpha titans/ancient rivalry to explain the conflict.
But it adds a bit to godzilla's character that he has no real or grand reason for wanting to fight kong, he just wants a rival!
@@thetrench8486 You know, that's an interesting thought you bring up. I'd love a story about Godzilla reconciling his own existence and seeking a purpose to it. I don't know how you could pull off a story like that, but I've always wanted to get inside his head. I mean, we always see him attack Tokyo but we never get a reason why.
In 1985, Raymond Burr says a line I think of at least once a day. "Godzilla's looking for something. Searching. If only we could figure out what it is."
A meaningful explanation to his goals beyond fighting monsters and consuming radiation is something I've wanted as long as I can remember.
Do you ever wonder if he's lonely? At least Kong has a home to go back to. Without monsters to fight, what would Godzilla do?
For me I I’m happy that Godzilla changes from dark to goofy. If they stuck with dark then would have been stale for me. Now for the things is I dislike about your video. Godzilla is not a good guy, or a cleaner for the humans. His a force of nature that would do anything to keep it balanced including attacking humans, we seen do it countless times. The comics explain his role and what he does. Secondly I don’t see a problem with them changing Godzillas origin. They do that all of the time. Thirdly I don’t see a problem with how the MonsterVerse deals with the oxygen destroyer. They have different meanings and takes on it, like how Godzilla has different meaning and takes on it. And how did the movie say that nukes save nature. Finally it just feels like you just forgot about the Showa era. Like when you said what happened when Godzilla was feared. Dude the whole Showa era is people loving Godzilla, and when he shows up the people are all happy to see him.
Really great video, a lot of points shared by me.
In-fact, I think this is worthy of a reaction video.
Truth be told, I've had so many mixed-feelings of the Monsterverse, and have wanted for-years to submit my own videos talking about how I would do the stories.
Thanks, man! A reaction video sounds awesome!
Keep in mind, though, that these are the broad brushstrokes of my thoughts on the Monsterverse and I have several series dedicated to breaking down each film. There's A LOT I didn't cover here so if you decide to address what I have to say, know that some of your points or questions may have been addressed in the more long-form reviews.
I'm glad you enjoyed what I had to say, though! If you did, then it might be worth it for you to watch my full breakdowns of the films. I know they're a little long, but I tried to make them as insightful and entertaining as possible. I'm sure you'll definitely get something out of them.
But yeah, if you decide to make a reaction video, let me know! I'd love to see it.
3:00 I recognize Shiro Sagisu anywhere, but what track is this?
Yes! A man of culture! The track is Long Slow Pain from the third Evangelion Rebuild film.
I use Shiro Sagisu's music in a lot of my Monsterverse breakdowns to set the tone. If you haven't yet, you should check them out. I used Angel of Doom and a few other tracks in the final part of my 2014 review. I also used Pillars of Faith in when talking about the Hong Kong fight in Godzilla vs Kong.
I've honestly spent so much time trying to make the music fit cinematically in my videos and you're one of the only three people to ever comment about it.
Yo, have you ever listened to the Symphonic Transfigure version of Angel of Doom? It's breathtaking.
@@BrutallyHannes I have a hard time comparing music to the scores of the Eva Rebuild with other kaiju media. Normally I'm quite an emotionally stable man, but 'What if?' from the fourth one does things to me. Man... even if the Rebuilds somewhat lack the emotional writing of the original, I really love them still.
@@WrierGold Evangelion has had an undeniable impact on me as a person and the soundtrack to that series is something that'll always be with me.
Shiro Sagisu's music... my god, man, I can't even describe the way it affects me. I love "What if?" so much! That and "Tema Principale: Orchestra Dedicata Ai Maestri" tug on my heartstrings to a degree that nothing can compare.
Honestly, I wish there could ever be a moment in my life deserving of the soundtrack to those films. I honestly feel bad for the people who haven't been exposed to Shiro Sagisu's work. As corny as it sounds, it really does change you. That man has my eternal respect and gratitude.
@@BrutallyHannes Hehe, no I couldn't agree more. Absolutely fantastic composer with a great deal of variation and creativity. I desperately crave more kaiju projects from old man Anno so that we get more Sagisu, but it looks like it'll be a while now. At least we have a huge library to stick with. I mean Angel of Doom, In My Spirit, Carnage, The Final Decision, ALL THE SONGS IN 3.0 and 4.0, there's something to find for everyone here! Do you have any other Godzilla composers you like?
@@WrierGold I just went on a Shiro Sagisu journey over the past hour listening to all those classics. There's actually a video where Keep Your Head Above the Mayhem transitions into The Final Decision that you should absolutely check out if you haven't already heard it. It flows BEAUTIFULLY. I actually used it during the final part of my Godzilla 2014 review for the battle in San Francisco (Godzilla 2014 review Part 5 timestamp: 18:38). Also cannot recommend the Symphonic Transition of Angel of Doom enough.
As for other Godzilla composers, definitely have to go with Takayuki Hattori. He did Spacegodzilla, 2000 and the anime trilogy. Whether you like the anime trilogy or not, the music was amazing.
Personally I love the Godzilla Theme in Spacegodzilla he created. 2000's main theme was pretty memorable and different for the franchise. The anime had so many great tracks. "Ghidorah" "Subspace Travel" "Total War" and "Decision at the End" are just a few of the bangers to come out from that trilogy.
Beyond that, Akira Ifukube is a cornerstone of the franchise so he deserves immense credit.
Naoki Sato did a great job with Minus One. The track "Resolution" is just powerful. Listening to it while flying across the map in Ghost Recon: Breakpoint was an incredible experience.
Oh and of course Kow Otani's work on GMK was awesome! I also loved his work in the Heisei Gamera series.
G14 and skull island are the best mv films in my opinion
I don't understand how KSI feels more consistent with G14, why tf start a muti movie verse if they don't plan on making the movies feel connected or have any continutity.
@@damndude999 Isn't continuity something the Transformers Franchise would have?
So continuity can applie any franchises hmm.
@@MrWaSpY-TrnYes It’s called the Monsterverse a compound of Monster and Universe. In film nowadays that typically means a interconnected franchise. Same with the MCU. It’s in the name. There’s a reason we call the Showa, Heisei, and Millennium Eras and not Verses. Sure some from each of those have films that connect but you’d have to do some incredible work to connect each Showa (or Heisei and Millennium) films into one cohesive narrative, universe, timeline. If your going to do a cinematic universe you should do more work to connect the films.
Continuity is important here because they aren’t trying to have individual separate movies that are self contained stories. And yes a level of continuity can be applied to anything. Let’s say you have a series with 7 movies that’s more of anthology style rather than 7 sequels. But 2 of those movies are directly connected. I’d say in that case there would have to be some level of continuity otherwise why make them connected at all?
Why have the Admiral reappear in KOTM
Why have Serizawa reappear in KOTM
Why have Mark reappear in GVK
Why have Madison reappear in GVK
Why have Bernie reappear in GXK:NE
Why have Dr. Ilene reappear in GXK:NE.
Well it’s a cinematic universe so of course some characters show up.
But if your going to go that route. You need to commit more than just a few characters coming back.
Thanks for letting me know this was posted a day after it was uploaded UA-cam.
Be careful Hannes, you might get people who say “But Son of Godzilla”, “But All Monsters Attack”, “But 2000” or of course as you mentioned “But 1998” and think that’s a valid counter to your points. This kind of response has instantly derailed 95% of the conversations I’ve ever tried to hold with someone else on the MV.
To that crowd specifically yeah they have a minor point I think a fair argument can be made for why those ones are not exactly the best or even bad G-movies, however I just wished that more people would be open to conversation rather than “because some Toho movies are mediocre or suck that makes it ok for MV films to be mediocre or suck” or of course the king of shut up and just enjoy it points of “it’s a godzilla movie why does it need to make sense”
I’m glad your channel and videos like this exist because it gives me a bit of hope especially when a majority of the fandoms I partake in seem to be growing more insular and intolerant to alternative opinions or views. I’m not sure if it’s just me but this seems to be a growing trend at least with what I enjoy.
That's funny you mention that because I went over that topic in my The New Empire review. I was actually just editing the short where I discuss it.
Yeah, I see too many people trying to deflect criticisms by citing the Showa era but, as I say in the short, just because you can point out weaker films doesn't mean they should serve as the bar of quality for a modern multimillion dollar franchise. Old suck doesn't make new suck suck less.
Honestly, I appreciate your comment, man. I'd been struggling to find motivation to make videos recently but hearing viewers like you say that you're glad I'm here really stokes the fires. I completely hear you on intolerant fanbases. People want to be loyal to what they love but take it too far to the point of treating criticism as heresy. I think we're just living in a time where positivity is prioritized over honesty, which spares our feelings in the moment but hurts us in the long run. How does anything improve when you're not allowed to acknowledge a need for improvement?
Honestly idk why people hate when the monster verse brought Godzilla back to life like I think it should be respected at least
I agree 💯
I don't hate that the Monsterverse exists. I just hate what they did with all it's potential.
I'll never fault it for renewing interest in Godzilla for international audiences. I just wish they'd respectful enough to tell us a meaningful story about the character that became an idol, rather than churn out bloated, inconsistent films that focus more on referencing the legacy elements as opposed to implementing them thoughtfully.
Hot take:
The Monsterverse shouldve maintained the tone of KoTM(2019). While having a grounded stiry, but also cool monster fights(maybe they can let both the goofiness and grounded movies have their ways every now and then)
I mean like... a lot of people would unironically agree... so like... you just have a take.
Trust me, that is ABSOLUTELY going to be discussed in the next part.
The Monsterverse is such a mixed bag for me
On one hand, I'm grateful that I'm born just in time to see the franchise at it's glory and have people that aren't Godzilla fans understand what I love about the franchise.
And on the other, theres SO MANY things that could've made this franchise better. The human characters ESPECIALLY. I don't recall ever caring about any human character (other than Jia) in any Monsterverse film.
In my opinion, Godzilla vs Kong is the most WASTED movie in the Monsterverse because it feels so rushed and we were so robbed on that Skull Island fight.
I dont want to go in depth about my mixed feelings on the franchise cuz I want to save that for a video I'm planning to make but I HEAVILY agree on everything you said in this video!
I especially have the same exact feelings about how the Oxygen Destroyer was utilized and that pro-nuke schtick in KotM I think that was the dumbest thing ever put in that movie (although I do give that movie for having Serizawa's death scene since it is the best scene in the movie, even though he really shouldn't die at all lmao)
Can't wait for what you have to say on the second part of this video
Finally someone else called out Dougherty (godzilla super fan) for somehow putting a pro nuke message in a Godzilla movie.
I watched a lot of his interviews when doing my KOTM breakdown and he seemed like a guy who really did want to do right by Godzilla. Then he'd go and say something weird like "this is a movie for true Godzilla fans". What classifies a "true" Godzilla fan?
It's like he had this very set-in-his-ways approach to how he wanted to do this and wound up missing some pretty crucial elements to Godzilla's character. It's like he saw the first movie, took key words such as "nuke", "Serizawa", and "oxygen destroyer" and tried to implement them without realizing the real themes behind them. He had every right as a director/writer to create the story he wanted, I just don't like how he used legacy elements so frivolously in the process. He intended homage, but it came across as out of touch.
@BrutallyHannes i also get the vibe he know he was only getting the 1 movie to direct so he kinda crammed all his ideas (possible 4 movies worth) into 1 movie.
Him unironiclly saying it would be better for humanity to be under kaiju control is eyebrow raising.
Fuck you got me remembering the "h3AtH1Y" radiation.
@@damndude999 That's right! You just reminded me of an interview where he said "better to put the monsters in charge than 'certain' politicians". I was like, oh, so you're one of those guys. Have your opinions but don't let your opinions have you. Just make a monster movie, buddy.
Now I'm curious on how will you handle that overused "Godzilla is a versatile character and can be anything" argument that many people use to justify the points you made... Damn I really hate that argument...
Great video btw 👍
Well I do agree with the idea in the sense that Godzilla is a character we've seen at two very different ends of the spectrum. He's been a hero and a villain.
On the one hand, you can have the serious Minus One version of him. On the other hand, look at Vrahno's videos (which I HIGHLY recommend), where he's turned Godzilla into a character you might see on a sitcom.
I enjoy both even though Godzilla is utilized completely differently. But you can't have Shin Godzilla fathering Minilla on how to shoot heat beams and you can't have Godzooky helping Godzilla burn Tokyo.
It's all about the tone matching the character within the confines of the story bring told.
Well I'm A Monsterverse Fan But I Have To Agree With Your Opinion
first off I apologize for this mammoth comment here, but as a fellow enthusiast of Godzilla, I do understand where you’re coming from. I do like 2014 but I am aware of its flaws and I do wish that Brian Cranston was the main character or at least got to find out about Godzilla before being cut short. Godzilla as well most certainly could have benefited from more screen time as well. this is actually what leads me to my biggest criticism with the monsterverse which is throwing away human story and having it be all about giant monsters ripping each other throats out. I mean yes Godzilla is a character and he plays a pivotal role in the story but at the same time the human side of the equation is just as important as the monster side.
I also don’t appreciate how goofy these movies got. 2014 and skull island may as well be in their own separate reality because they just got so inconsistent after skull island. Every time I make this criticism I’m always hit with the “it’s a homage to the showa era or godzilla’s been goofy before.” yes, I know. my argument is just because it’s been done before doesn’t mean it’s automatically good. Hopefully that’s something you address in part 2.
We're kindred spirits, my friend. I'm sick of that "Showa homage" deflection as well. At the end of my New Empire review I talk about exactly that. I actually posted a Short of it two days ago if you're interested.
I essentially made the argument that the low point of a franchise shouldn't serve as the bar of quality for future installations. Son of Godzilla doesn't negate KOTM.
Also, it's okay to like these movies for what they are. If someone said a movie I liked sucked, it wouldn't ruin the movie for me. If anything, hearing their points could give me a new perspective on it. But fans tend to become so loyal to their movies that they deny their flaws, whereas I say if you love something, you should love it flaws and all.
It's frustrating living in a world where positivity is put above honesty. I started making these reviews because I wanted to like these films but couldn't. The Monsterverse had a lot of potential but it still needed improvement. However, when everyone lies to themselves saying they're amazing, that's when we start seeing a decline in quality. Next you thing you know, there's slave monkeys and pink dragons flying around.
Honestly, Minus One was the greatest vindication for me because it had all the elements the Monsterverse lacked. For years I talked about the idealized version of a Godzilla movie that the Monsterverse could have been. Then Takashi Yamazaki went ahead and made it! Suddenly, Monsteverse fans began to realize that I might not be so crazy, if not a little long-winded.
I guess I answered your mammoth comment with a beast of my own, but I'm glad to hear my points are resonating with people! Since we're sharing thoughts, did you have anything from The New Empire that you wanted me to cover in Part 2? I did a review video but I fell into that quicksand of positivity and didn't accurately convey my thoughts on it. So if there's anything that nags you from that movie, let me know because I'm still writing that part of the script and would love more input.
Yeah man it’s just a bunch of little kids arguing about saying the showa era and things like that, I’ve seen you before on my channel so you would know half of my comments were just brain dead little kids and is one of the reasons why I haven’t made another video on the topic
@@BrutallyHannes Hey, I just saw you’re video on the new empire, and you summed it up nicely for me. what I should have clarified with the last comment is that I don’t hate people who like GxK, I hate it when they say you’re a “fake fan” because god forbid you have a negative opinion on GxK. if anything GxKs tone is what the monster-verse should have been from the very beginning since this is the tone we’re going to stick with from here on out.
now, as a monsterverse fan, i respect this opinion
although i do love the monsterverse, i can't help but feel as if godzilla's writing is a bit rushed.
the first few movies were focused on the humans who were getting used to the fact that monsters existed, the nuke didn't create godzilla, sure, but it did awaken him and all of the destruction that came after.
but then in KOTM, he was forced down the showa era path of becoming the hero that barely appeared in his own movie
then Adam wingard came along and decided to make godzilla look more villanous again as the humans tried to figure out why he wasn't the friendly neighborhood spiderman anymore (for most of the movie before mechagodzilla was revealed)
but then it went back to how it was before.
in GxK i've heard rumors that godzilla's writing was rushed due to toho giving the rights too late and i hope that was true as i do not want the franchise's fandom to be so split with the next movie.
over all, the monsterverse movies are now becoming more of kong movies because they don't need to buy the rights.
let's just hope they don't have to rush godzilla's writing next time.
I agree. They spent too much time figuring out what to do with Godzilla that now it feels impossible to lock down a coherent characterization. It makes sense they'd lean more on Kong now, since he's the more narratively malleable of the two. I just wished they'd planned this out from the beginning rather than leaving Godzilla's character to the whims of whichever current director.
Heisei era was goated.
While i do actually like the monsterverse
I really respect u for sharing this opinion as its hard to let out your thoughts that might get hate, keep up the good work!
And atleast u actually made a vid with fine points, i've seen way worse mv debunk vids
Thank you, sir! I like when we can acknowledge we disagree and can still show respect for one another. At the end of the day, we're all Godzilla fans.
Heisei era is trash
@@nothingatall162 Absolutely! Who needs it? Godzilla's Revenge is peak cinema.
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@Godzilla-jr5gi nah, it's true
While i'd have kept the force of nature aspect, i would have godzilla be a dangerous wild animals instead of a giant scaly superman. There's this analog horror sort of series about godzilla that i think is a good example of this (not man in the suit, i forgot the name).
You talking about those videos like Shelter 54? Dude, I wish we'd gotten a series like that instead. That series is GOATed
Perfect video, I would be more MUCH more harsh on the MV franchise.
Thanks, man! But trust me, I have been a lot harsher in my earlier reviews!
In the hopes of growing an audience, I attempted to be more measured with this video. Definitely check out my longform breakdowns if you want to see me rip these movies apart.
There's so much more wrong with this series than I could possibly cover here and in my 2014, KOTM and GvK reviews, and I had a lot of fun breaking them down. Definitely worth checking out!
Harsh = "Unfriendliness at it's finest" sounded personal 💀
Btw, why didn't you mention GvK? It had much more Goji and Kong screentime.
It's part 1, just wait for part 2 brother.
This is so simple, the “modern audience” ruined all chances for the Monsterverse to be genuine.
The fanboys are blinded by Nostalgia for the consensus. Along with Studios, Companies and Corporations (unfortunately).
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I feel like this is a video that could've come out back in 2014 or 2019 just fine, I remember the same complaints of Godzilla not being there all that much and as a big Godzilla fan myself... well, discard me being a Godzilla fan 'cause I'll say what everyone else has said: the Japanese movies did the same thing, in many of them Goji has the same amount of screentime as he does in the MonsterVerse ones.
Now, I get that for the 2014 one 'cause cutting away during epic scenes or having the entire screen be multiple dark shades of black was a horrible move (nevermind the deceitful marketing)... and 2019 isn't much more excuseable (though honestly that movie still has issues beyond that) but even so Godzilla was still introduced extremely early and was shown doing more cool stuff with less cutaways there... just like many of the old movies.
The MonsterVerse is basically a hodgepodge of past continuities, being just a slightly more serious Showa era and the Godzilla fanbase will always be split between the darker roots and the more popular schlocky era that dominates most of the series. But you can't really love Ghidorah without also realizing he was basically made 'cause Godzilla was turned into a superhero by that point in the series. The MonsterVerse has simply made that his role from the get-go rather than being so aimless (nevermind written by the seat of its pants if not straight up random) about it as the old series was.
Godzilla wasn't a force of nature 'cause the MonsterVerse made him so, that was a common way to interpret him for a lot of people given his nigh-indestructibility as well as the heroic side he shows in, let's be frank, MOST of his stories (be it movies, comics, etc). Godzilla wasn't marketable because of the MonsterVerse, Toho made him schlock for children long before that.
Questionable arguments aside, can't wait for the second part of this video! :p (Also that's quite the rambling description you got down there xD)
Yeah, talk about "descriptionism" at it's one mentality to make those "fans" trigger-happy just for the sake of "value", so we are comparing money with fictional giant monsters now?
It only becomes about the screen time when you take away what the message behind his character is. I never even considered how much screen time Godzilla got in Minus One because I felt that his character was utilized appropriately within the narrative.
I made a point in my The New Empire review that just because the schlock of the Showa era exists doesn't mean it has to serve as the bar of quality for his character.
My disappointment comes from the fact that the studio acquired this IP and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a franchise that didn't seem to have any real goal for the character. Since the Showa era, we've seen multiple attempts to put a spin on Godzilla's character to gain new meaning from him. It doesn't always pan out but I appreciate the attempt. The most this series seems to be capable of in terms of developing Godzilla's character is making him pink.
My main issue is that the Monsterverse just feels like wasted potential. There's so many questions I've had about his character over the years that could've been meaningful explored, backed by the power of Hollywood. Instead, they chose to relegate him to being a cash cow where every movie has the same predictable result: good monster beats bad monster.
I could have gotten behind this had they not misled us at the start by portraying this series as grounded and realistic. The tone of The New Empire seems to be exactly what suits the Monsterverse's vision for the monster, but it's frustrating it took five movies to get where they should have started. It just feels disingenuous to start a series acting as though there's this depth of lore and meaning waiting to be explored only to boil it down to the most shallow of concepts.
Basically, I think that the writers should've recognized the flaws in the earlier films, such as the lack of character development and worldbuilding, and taken it to the next level. If they wanted to portray Godzilla as nature's enforcer of balance, then they should've spent time developing what "balance" actually means. Five movies in and I still can't nail down exactly what the relationship between Godzilla and mankind is besides him being our get out of jail free card.
He is a force of nature
There’s a lot about this video that has been said in the past and most of it is certainly gonna come down to taste but some of this lacks the context or nuance when bringing up the subject at hand.
I’ll simply go over the two big points since they seem to be the driving force of the video.
The first being about Godzilla not being made by atomic weapons and not being destructive. You brought up GMK in the video, which has origins not about the atom bomb but rather the supernatural forces of the victims of WW2. Godzilla has had multiple origins then and now that aren’t the same as the original. While I agree that Heisei is the best version of Godzilla in fact I’ve made a whole video on it, there’s really nothing inherently wrong with making Godzilla as a character different for the story the writer wants to tell especially when it’s still in vein of the original. 2014 still has nukes as the thing that has torn the family of the film apart and is the thing that Serizawa is fighting against the military to use against the monsters because of what happened to Japan and how it would only do nothing and make them stronger.
As for KOTM saying the “nuke is good”, there’s a lot of context missing from this argument and about the Oxygen Destroyer. The beginning of movie has Monarch and the US government at odds at what to do with the monsters whether to kill them or not. They leave mid session which does not look good for them, when Ghidorah awakens they activate their new weapon because of this without any pushback on the government. Their arrogance makes the situation worse and the only way to get Godzilla back up to stop Ghidorah is to launch a nuke to get him back up. Serizawa looks at the watch his father had when Hiroshima happened knowing that he’s going against everything he stood for but is doing this for the greater good for humanity to survive or else let Ghidorah wipe us all out. It was a necessary evil. “Sometimes, the only way to heal our wounds is to make peace with the demons who created them.”
I don’t like all the MonsterVerse content or films but I found your points to be heavily flawed. Godzilla doesn’t have to be just one thing. There’s many films that don’t focus on the subject matter of his first film and are still good films despite of that. So, I just heavily disagree.
I know a lot in this video has been covered but I wanted to take a new approach to reaching a larger audience where I condense my thoughts and present them in a relatable way.
As for the nuclear origins thing, I agree I did come across as a bit dogmatic. What I should have said is that Godzilla is versatile enough to have different origins but when you can't nail them down properly (the Monsterverse), it's always best to resort back to the tried and true origins that originally made him an icon. I probably let too much of my own personal preferences taint the message, but the overall point was that Monsterverse' origins are questionable and conflicting and so I'd rather they'd stayed with what was initially intended for the character.
Also I mentioned GMK in reference to his characterization, not his origins.
I really like your take on the symbolism of Serizawa's watch! That's something I never really considered before and it kind of blows my mind that I never put that together. Though it doesn't completely reverse my "nuke revives nature" standpoint, I do realize I did miss a big chunk of context in that scene that does alleviate some of my issues. Thank you for pointing that out!
I'm sorry you found my points heavily flawed. Then again, I'm a heavily flawed person, so I was waiting for someone to come around and point out where I lost the plot. Appreciate the honesty, Rick!
Also, I'll be sure to check out your video on the Heisei series. I'm sure you'll give me a lot to think about!
@@BrutallyHannesI appreciate the generous response back. When it comes to Godzilla’s origin, his behavior is also intertwined with it. The reason why 54, Heisei and Minus One all directly attacked humanity was because they were the reason for their circumstances such as with 54 he lost all his species to our bomb and with Minus One he went after boats because humanity hit him with the bomb in 46. GMK is brought back not only by the deceased Japanese but by everyone who was killed wrongly during WW2. Imperial Japan was almost as bad as Germany was then if you research what they did to prisoners and China. So all those souls are brought back to remind Japan what they did and to never forget. Which is a very outspoken topic for the country that wants to forget about their past.
I don’t even think KOTM is good but I know others think it’s a good movie and that’s fine. I’m willing to still give it credit where it was doing so. You’re honestly much better than other “Godzilla UA-camrs” who have done the same sort of video but they have done so with way worse bad faith, can’t take criticism and only double down on it and make it so it’s the “us vs them” mentality. So I appreciate the healthy response. It’s a welcoming surprise
@@RickDaSquirrel I agree with your assessment of Godzilla's various origins. GMK carries so much more weight to me since I looked into the Japanese' Unit 731 and everything they did to Chinese civilians during the second world war (I mentioned this in a past video). That must've been one angry Zilla. I'm honestly astounded Shusuke Kaneko was able to include that aspect of the war into the plot of GMK, where he addresses how many suffered at the hands of the Japanese during WW2. It would seem the nation would rather avoid acknowledging their culpability in some of the heinous war crimes committed during that era.
I do have to ask though. You said Godzilla 54 lost the rest of his species to the atomic bomb. I was under the impression that he was an ancient species of dinosaur awoken and mutated by the bomb. In the parliament meeting, Dr. Yamane alluded to that idea. Did I miss a huge chunk of the lore somewhere in that film or was this informed later in Raids Again or something?
Not saying you're wrong. Clearly you paid more attention to KOTM than I did. I just always concluded that 54 Godzilla was an anomaly brought forth by the atomic bomb rather than a survivor of a larger species. I know Raids Again introduced the idea of the Hollow Earth and the ill-fated Bride of Godzilla would've delved further into it. But never have I heard anyone say that 54 Godzilla had brethren that were killed by the bomb.
(Bare in mind that I'm mostly basing this off the dubbed version of these movies and I may not be recalling details exclusive to the original dubs.)
@@BrutallyHannesYamane proposes 2 theories in the film. One was he was a prehistoric reptile of some sort living deep underwater for millions of years before being disturbed and enhanced by a hydrogen bomb test. The other was that Godzilla was living with his own kind before the detonation, which destroyed his home and brought him to the surface. The latter is taken as the canonical explanation as Tomoyuki Tanaka, the guy that essentially created him, used this in artwork depicting his species dying to the bomb as Godzilla sees it and starts the mutate. You can find the image online easily by searching for it. It comes from the 1984 book Definitive Edition Godzilla Introduction
@@BrutallyHannesI responded earlier but I looks like UA-cam marked it so idk
Come on Monsterverse is an great franchise, movies, titans, stories and more
I have no problem if you like it. If you enjoy the Monsterverse, I envy you!
I just have too many hang ups about it and my big mouth loves to yap about them. Think of it as me finding my own way to enjoy it.
@@BrutallyHannes Fair Enough
@@corbandragonX A lot of people have been defending the Monsterverse in the comments and I like hearing their perspectives. What's your favorite part/moment from the Monsterverse?
@@BrutallyHannes Thermonucler Godzilla vs Ghidorah, Godzilla vs Kong, Godzilla and Kong vs Skar King and Shimo, Godzilla King of the Monsters Ending, GVK ending, GXK the new empire ending and Godzilla walking though Rome.
@@corbandragonX Context on what you said?
Ok I'm not gonna watch this video, but I heavily respect your opinion
Me personally I just see it currently as a more serious show era
Aw why not? I'm not being mean or anything.
Honestly, you are exactly the kind of guy I was looking for. I love people who disagree with me! You are the perfect guy to challenge my opinions! If I'm up here spouting nonsense, I'd love to know sooner rather than later, so please offer up your viewpoint.
You could be my opponent but never my enemy.
Attention span of a goldfish
Im very divided by the monsterverse
The movies at itself are pretty good and cinematic
But I agree, the monsterverse movies are portraying Godzilla and other Kaijus in a wrong way.
I believe the Monsterverse had every right to make their own creative choices with the monsters, I just completely disagree with what they decided.
11:55 honestly I'd heavily emphasis that Godzilla isn't on anyone's side, where he will kill and attack both humans and monsters on sight.
Yeah, I don't like him beholden to a goal that's foisted upon him. I want him to decide his own actions rather than be shackled to obligations. I'd rather be asking "what will he do?" rather than "when will he do it?".
4:09 You have to admit,1998 tried to follow the 1954 origin.
Can't fault ya. At least they began in the right place. Everything else was a mess though.
I still enjoy Godzilla 2014, I hated KOTM with its lousy direction and lazy writting, GvK was good but a bit too SciFi and GxK is proof how much the Monsterverse has fallen tone wise.
To answer your last question, I would've made Godzilla flat out antagonist, would've made Godzilla 2014 like Minus One, but taking place in modern times.
Right there with you, man. I love Godzilla being the obstacle mankind has to overcome rather than a hero that can never be overcome.
The Monstervers despite having a few bright spots I mostly see as just wasted potential. King of the Monsters was especially disappointing as it completely missed the whole point of the character and GxK The New Empire was just an absolutely embarrassing farce to sit through. It makes me all the more glad that a movie like Godzilla Minus One can exist in this day and age.
It's like you wrote the scripts for my reviews.
Good to see you back!
Thanks, man! I recognize I've been slacking and I honestly want to try to maintain a more frequent upload schedule. Appreciate you putting up with me!
@BrutallyHannes No worries. I'm just as bad as you in the slacking department.
So I’m someone who isn’t a big Monsterverse fan but for different reasons. Godzilla having a different origin never bothered me as it’s a new universe with new lore. As someone what has seen all the films multiple times, I was already fine how people depict Godzilla in different ways. I’ve enjoyed films where he’s an absolute menace to man kind, but also enjoyed films where he’s a hero to humanity. So the Monsterverse making Godzilla a neutral or good guy doesn’t bother me. Neither does the removal of his nuclear origin. I actually kinda do find it fascinating that he’s some ancient monster that always existed. It’s implied that the bombing tests made Godzilla stronger and bigger so there is a hint of 54 origin.
So here are my issues. Godzilla has little screen time. In the Godzilla and Kong films they mostly followed Kong and didn’t focus on Godzilla until the end. Godzilla x Kong kinda fixed it for me as the Godzilla scenes were spaced out nicely. An issue that bothers me is the lore is constantly being retcon. We got many comics and books that start off as cannon and then all of a sudden new lore drops that makes the previous lore non cannon. It makes it hard to connect with the universe when they keep changing the lore. Also theres the human characters. I think the best Godzilla films are the ones that make both the Godzilla and human scenes interesting. The human characters struggle for me to enjoy them especially when many are dropped or written weird. Another issue I have is something a bit outside of the film. People see Monsterverse Godzilla as THE Godzilla. I always saw the character more of a Spinoff version and yet everywhere I go it’s Monsterverse Godzilla. Luckily it seems that a lot of Japanese Godzilla merch and recent movies has made those Godzilla’s a bit more recognizable compared to 10 years ago.
The Monsterverse for me is like a spin off that I enjoy some aspects of. Big example is seeing iconic characters with the Hollywood budget that Toho couldn’t do before. I still enjoy the films way more than the goofy Showa films and a new Millennium films. I just don’t think the Monsterverse will ever top the Heisei films or the current 2 live action Toho Godzilla films. Honestly when I think of Godzilla I think of his Heisei depictions who mind you is considered to be a hero who is sometimes neutral like the Monsterverse Godzilla.
You make a lot of great points I completely agree with.
I acknowledged in other comments that I got a bit dogmatic when it comes to Godzilla's nuclear roots. I know he's a versatile character and just don't like the Monsterverse's approach, mostly because of all that retconning, the most prevalent of which is in GvK. KOTM ended with Ghidorah's uprising and mankind being decimated by the titans. GvK just ignores all of that and shifts focus to the Hollow Earth, which feels like a massive lore expansion that isn't explored meaningfully within the confines of the universe.
The reason I think Godzilla's nuclear roots are so important is the same reason you love Godzilla stories with strong human characters. Godzilla being born as a result of the atomic bomb tied his existence to mankind. That relationship is a firm basis that allows us to explore a variety of themes.
I also find it frustrating that Monsterverse Godzilla is now THE Godzilla for a lot of modern viewers. I'm glad the Monsterverse exists and is generating more fans, but I certainly don't want fans to consider it the apex of the series. Godzilla was an icon long before the Monsterverse rolled around and it sucks that too many people don't take the time to explore his heritage.
When I have kids, I'm going to introduce them to Godzilla starting at the Heisei era. It really is the strongest series as it has a progression to it that the Showa era doesn't. It's not like I'll stop them from seeing the other films but the Heisei feels like what Godzilla was intended to be from the start. I believe 1985 is one of the most crucial films in the entire franchise. In it, we are given a Godzilla that clearly is a menace, but by the time he's falling in that volcano, you feel sympathy for him. I think that nuanced look at his character is what makes the Heisei so engaging.
You're right, the Monsterverse is a different take on the character but it's a far cry from being the true Godzilla. Even if they had taken the time to plan things out and have a logical story progression, there's just a certain "it" factor that's only ever been achieved by Japanese creators. Not saying an American couldn't create a Minus One level Godzilla film, but if they wanted to, I think the smartest way would be to go back to his original roots.
The homage to classic Godzilla we get from the Monsterverse always feels so hollow. "Hey look the Oxygen Destroyer" "Hey that lady comes from a family of twins" "Ford has the name Mothra on his childhood terrarium". It's like they acknowledge these things exist in the series but don't delve deeper than a cosmetic level when implementing them.
I'm never going to say I don't like watching the battles in the Monsterverse, but there needs to be something else going on in the story. It has to mean something. It has to affect the universe they created. Events should inform future events.
As it stands, each film feels like an entity unto itself with no regard for what came before or after. I don't get why they'd try to put these films under the umbrella of a shared universe when they don't care about continuity.
Also, I talk about it in my review, but KOTM, the typical Monsterverse fan's darling film, only had Godzilla present in 7.5% of its runtime. The rest of the film is dedicated to monsters and events that are never again acknowledged (Ghidorah in Mechagodzilla is about it). That alone demonstrates the mishandling of the ongoing saga. This inconsistency isn't unique to the Monsterverse by far, but it seems like the bare minimum to consider when you start writing a new saga of films. MV fans tend to blame the Showa for the lack of continuity but the Monsterverse was never beholden to those standards. The Monsterverse had a lot of potential to give a meaningful take on the monster and instead wasted it to cash in on the name "Godzilla".
I mean ngl ...for a guy who didn't like it you sure made A LOT of videos of em😭
Tell me about. Like seriously, what do _those movies_ have that they don't? 🤔
I find it more stimulating to assess something I don't like as if I were doing a puzzle, as opposed to finding different ways to reword how much I enjoyed something. But that could just be because I'm an asshole.
Peace and wholesomeness makes me uncomfortable. Someone needs to get kicked in the balls eventually.
Just because someone makes videos on a topic doesn’t mean they like it
Honestly, as much as i loved g14, the monsterverse should've been similar to the millennium and Heisei era
It respects the original source material while also giving us decent characters and amazing action that does Justice to the kajiu characters
Take the sonic movies for example or transformers one, it gives you want you want while making sure to give us plots that we can work with
Unfortunately, unlike those films, the legendary films don't care about consistency, and neither does the fans.
At least G14 had better set, kaiju designs, production, marketing and of course.... special effects.
@davidostapenko2578 agreed.
"Unfortunately unlike those films, legendary don't care about about consistency and neither does the fans"
That's because a majority of them are seriously & legitimately hypocritical and won't accept nor admit the fact that almost 3 of the MV films are Improperly awfully made - Example: KOTM, GVK and GXK.
You know what the Transformers Fandom/Community would say "It is made for fans by the fans".
@@MrWaSpY-Trn I think it's because a lot of people these days value positivity over honesty. They seem to think that if you like Godzilla, you have to like anything with Godzilla's name on it. Loyalty to your interests is fine until you treat every criticism as heresy.
Not to go on a tangent here, but I notice this exemplified a lot with Caseoh's fanbase. I love Case. He's a good guy and he's very entertaining. However, he seems hellbent on maintaining a general air of positivity. It's a good thought in principle but applied in the real world, it becomes unrealistic.
He plays a lot of games and almost always gives them the compliment of "W game", regardless of its quality. He wants to be nice, loveable lug that he is, but in an attempt to make the game creators feel good, he robs them of any meaningful feedback. I think the world should be more nuanced than that, where we can appreciate a product's strengths and weaknesses rather than reducing all of our opinions to a vague thumbs up or thumbs down. How do you improve a product when our kneejerk reaction is to validate it simply for existing?
The hypocrisy lies in not realizing this. I've dealt with my fair share of Monsterverse fanatics who wanted to be seen as the arbiters of positivity as they insulted me for airing a dissenting opinion. "I appreciate and respect the hard work that went into these projects so F you and your channel for disagreeing"
@@BrutallyHannes i honestly couldn't have said it better myself.
The design was fine until they murdered it with evolved, but it's just the fucking story that's trash
In all my reviews, I never commented on his design. All of my criticisms were directed at he storytelling. However, that pink Godzilla is emblematic of the lack of creativity in the writing. It's like that's the most they could do to develop him as a character: Super Saiyan Rose.
the design is great, thats not the problem
There's nothing wrong with Evolved, you're just talking bad about it because it's pink...
Agree!
@@adamcristianlopesferreira1581 No, because his body is fucking ugly! They made him too thin & skinny-looking. It's ugly. Who cares whether he's pink?
Couldn't agree more with the thematic destruction of Godzilla. But see here's another thing, MV fanatics will argue that these movies are just a love letter to the Showa era, just silly dumb movies about monsters fighting, which I might have agreed with if it weren't for a tiny lil issue: you cannot build a franchise about monsters fighting, when your main protag monster is an unkillable machine that cannot lose in any meaningful way. So you end up with either boring 1HKO fights or Godzilla having to be artificially weakened/dumbed down (oh no Godzilla was tired, oh no Ghidorah got empowered by electricity) so the plot can happen. It's like going to watch Rocky and when we get to the boxing match Rocky just wins in one punch, how fun.
Showa movies at least got away thanks to the cheesiness and having decent (if quite bloody) fights, MV sacrificed the themes of Godzilla to give us a nothing burger.
This! Godzilla needs to embraced as a villain in order for the plot to have real meaning. They toy with the idea of man and Godzilla's relationship but never venture beyond the safety of "he protects us".
People give the anime trilogy crap but I liked seeing the eventuality of a story where Godzilla is our greatest threat and defeats us.
I think the only time that I've ever seen a story of an unkillable, overpowered protagonist work is in One Punch Man. But I don't even know how you'd try to transpose that kind of character into a Godzilla universe.
It's much more satisfying for the immortal Godzilla to be the adversity to our heroes rather than him being the hero. Treating him like an underdog is laughable.
@@BrutallyHannes I actually thought of One Punch Man when writting this, but the reason OPM works is because they explore how Saitama's inmense strength has left Saitama disappointed and how being a hero is more than just brute power. OPM at the end of the day is more than just the fights, MV wants to be about monster fighting but refuses to commit by weakening Godzilla or making the monsters actually tougher (Kong should have had lighting powers, Mothra should have have her reflector scales and antenna beams, etc.) to have a real fight. Never forgiving the MV for what they did to Mothra...
Btw, the lil' joke about the portagonist from KOTM losing his kid actually did remind me of the Gamera Heisei trilogy. A major plot point in 3 was how unnecessarily brutal Gamera's methods had gone for the sake of protecting Earth and the villain was a girl who blamed Gamera's destruction for the death of her parents. You can do a heroic monster who fights evil, Gamera of all things did it.
@@Bathory741-tb8mp I actually watch the Gamera trilogy again a few weeks back. I had forgotten how good Revenge of Iris was. In my head, all I remembered was the dated CGI on Iris flying through the clouds. But damn, did I completely forget how brutal Gamera was to the Gyaos. If KOTM had gone more the route that Iris did with someone trying to seek vengeance on Godzilla for the death of a loved one, it would've been much more engaging. But Mark learns to forgive and Emma doesn't seem to hold Godzilla personally accountable. Boo.
I totally agree with giving Godzilla more weaknesses and less power-ups. I'd rather see enemy monsters try to take him down strategically like a Stand in JoJo. Target his eyes, offset his breathing so he cant use his atomic rays, concuss his swim bladder so he can only sink. Every time, we just get monsters slapping their meat together. It gets boring and repetitive and I think thats why they cut down on the monster action in the first few Monsterverse movies; no imagination for intelligent approaches to taking down Godzilla.
Also, since I usually prioritize Godzilla and Kong in my discussions, I normally don't focus too much on Mothra. As a Mothra fan, what are your gripes about her role in the Monsterverse?
@@BrutallyHannes Well, the most important one is that Godzilla essentially stole her role. She was the benevolent deity, who prioritized the well being of all living things, including mankind. The difference is, Mothra genuinely felt like a protector who always tried the peaceful route first and only resorted to violence when she had no choice. In her debut movie, her fairies tell our protagonists that Mothra is sad because she knows innocent folks are inevitably going to die in her mission. Or in Vs Ghidorah, where the little Mothra larvae tries to get to stop Godzilla and Rodan from being idiots. Godzilla in comparison is basically an asshole who doesn't seem to care about anything he could trample and only uses force to make other Titans obey. He feels less of a protector and more like a tyrant. Hell, even Showa Godzilla was shown play fighting with Anguirus despite being the leader of the 2, can you imagine MV Godzilla doing that?
The other point is that MV Mothra is cartoonishly weak compared to any other incarnation. She is laughably small (og Mothra had an insane 250m wingspan that had to be nerfed for 1964 movie), has no antenna beams, no poisonous or reflective scales, cannot summon hurricanes and basically has no stamina. The elderly dying Mothra from 1964 was actually capable of tanking Godzilla's ray (which exploded buildings) and was capable of putting a decent fight. MV Mothra got her ass handed by Rodan's puny flames, which didn't even destabilize the building they were in.
TLDR; MV Mothra is a puny weakling whose only purpose is to be subservient to the asshole lizard that stole her role.
@@BrutallyHannes Not just the brutality, Gamera just fries innocents nilly-willy
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Like damn, what did these poor folks do?
While I don’t agree too much on KoTM, I get it all.
I did enjoyed GxK, but I always felt something off about it. Lack of theater presentation or generic same old plot, or both since the late Showa series acts more like a tv series than movies.
Like with the transformer movies under Michael Bay or the MCU, how much do we actually want to see from it?
But still, maybe they could have kept that ominous ending in KoTM of ‘Good thing he’s on our side. For now’ and maybe show hints that Godzilla can turn on humanity. Like at the ending of Godzilla vs Kong, after the last battle, have Godzilla examine the remains of Mechagodilla and then glare at the similarities of humanity’s works.
For a solo Mothra, I speculated how Battra might be introduced without the inclusion of the guardian Godzilla. Maybe have Battra also co-exist with Godzilla and have Battra’s goal to just decide the human population, which Godzilla will allow.
Or, like what Dr. Serizawa said in KoTM, have humanity be Godzilla’s pets, or in other words livestock to produce nuclear energy for him.
Wow, I would actually change a lot for the Monsterverse. Good luck on the next video.
As long as they actually make it a MONSTER-VERSE I'm happy with it.
Toonholt's monsterverse fanmade titan/kaiju art on deviantart is goated 💠🍷🌌
Also yeah I hope the rest of the Kajius have a distinct & different design that displays itself with the MV's monstrous aesthetic, philosophy and style/theme. Perfection at it's finest.
I prefer the direction they initially went with for Godzilla. A grounded take of a 60s/70s Showa Godzilla was a good way to differentiate it from what we later got out of Shin and Minus One. I like the idea of the Titans being closer to actual gods than just giant animals. Adding a more mythic and existential twist to the lore. I think they failed at exploring it further after KOTM. The switch to lousier plots in GvK and GxK is what killed the Monsterverse for me. And a setup for a heroic Godzilla going down to a path of villainy was right there and could have been a great way to explore his character and relationship with humanity.
Uh are we just ignore the fact that toho also made Godzilla into a hero in the showa movies?[witch is my favorite area]
As long as we ignore that due to declining box office numbers, the series had to be rebooted into a more serious tone that addressed Godzilla's nuclear roots. There's nothing wrong with favoring the Showa era so long as you don't consider it the bar of quality for all future installments. I'd rather mature into a series than mature out of it.
That’s irrelevant
The rebooted series that went darker had declined numbers too
A lot of thoughts I have echo in this video. So I'll keep to what I personally have gripes with or like. I have a lot of appreciation for what the Monsterverse movies have done, bringing in new fans and love for a franchise that I have loved since childhood. I remember watching Godzilla 2014 in theaters when I was at the peak of my interest, I personally can forgive a lot of the gripes people have with the movie just because I liked the tone, I liked that I even got to see a Godzilla movie in my lifetime. But as the series dragged on, I started to be less and less entertained. That's what it all boils down to for me, I find these movies boring in a lot of ways that are comparable to how I feel about a lot of recent media. There's no headroom for mystery or intrigue, no deeper context surrounding the world of the Monsterverse. Everything is just explained for the audience in exact detail, with scenes that are legit just exposition for EVERYTHING, then never meaningfully builds on it anyways. There's also no stable cast of characters that appear consistently, at least it was until Godzilla x Kong. If they keep appearing in more movies, at least don't kill them off like they did for most of the interesting characters. Though, I don't particularly find any of the new characters that interesting, besides Bryan Tyree Henry my goat. There's also with how Toho deals with their monsters, meaning there's probably not even a chance we get another huge KOTM type event, and thats a huge thing I dislike. KOTM was a massive letdown for such a widely hyped movie and it took down 2/3 of the most major supporting monsters from the original movies down with it. The interesting bits of these movies are boiled down to watching the fight scenes that last like 10-5 minutes and that's it, they make you wanna skip everything else, because it doesn't stimulate your brain in any sort of way. The only actual redeeming factor I like about the Monsterverse is Godzilla vs Kong, at least the other half where they actually fight and go up against MechaGodzilla, that was genuinely fun. And I am a fan of the buildup and overall cluelessness we have about the universe as a whole in 2014. Everything after just rubs me the wrong way, in no way builds any hype or interests me in the slightest to see where it goes next.
I completely agree. Despite my frustrations, I am glad these films exist. More interest in Godzilla brings more products for us to enjoy.
You hit the nail on the head, though. Sure, we have these new movies, but they aren't really building them into anything. There's no sense of direction to the ongoing story. Things just happen and we move on. It's like a piece of clay that they keep adding more layers to but never actually form it into a coherent shape. With each passing movie, the ability to do so lessens.
I'm going to talk about it in the next part of this video, but I think the greatest loss in this series is the fans ability to theorize or predict anything. Fan theories are what carry franchises between installments and when you can't do that, there's not much to hold on to.
Based on everything we've seen so far from these films, could you make any predictions about the next film besides Godzilla/Kong fighting a completely new monster and winning? Also, do you think that the plot of that next film would even remotely tie-in to the events of any of the previous films? Can we even guarantee the human characters we already know will even be there?
I think the millennium era was wonderful
someone needs to edit "king ghidorah, take me to ya leada" with MF Dooms Rapp Snitch Knishes
fake ass bastards
@@BrutallyHannes ✌😎
Personally, I’m fine with the monsterverse. I’m a weird little gremlin that for some reason likes when giant monsters are briefly seen on screen, because when they show up, it makes their appearances more powerful. To me, anyway. I do see your points, and I agree with some of them. I like the monsterverse for their fresh incarnation and origin of Godzilla, that he’s an ancient alpha predator who’s mostly neutral (at least I think so), but I agree with some of your points on the monsterverse and how it can be a strange series compared to other Godzilla films.
To be fair, I think Gareth Edwards was trying to take the Jaws approach to revealing his monsters and you'll never catch me disparaging Jaws, so I completely understand enjoying the slow burn.
I'm glad you like the Monsterverse and will admit I do enjoy the concept of Godzilla being an ancient alpha predator, I just take issue with the execution of the idea in the films. I know I made it sound like Godzilla could only be portrayed one way, but I do recognize how versatile the character is. To me, the Monsterverse does have good ideas but when they come together, it just doesn't work for me personally.
The Monsterverse is a strange series and its taken some risks, so naturally the reception would be divided. I'm glad that even though we're on opposite ends of that divide, we can still be respectful of each others opinions.
To be honest, I wish I was in your shoes where I could just sit back and enjoy. Then again, trying to fit my cloven hooves into those adorable size 3 gremlin booties might be a stretch.
@ I agree, honestly. The execution of their ideas for Monsterverse can be hit or miss, but I’ve also been someone who will watch the weirdest kinds of movies for the fun of it, but your opinion is valid! I’ll continue to watch weird movies in my size 3 little gremlin shoes in peace. 🤣
If I were to remake the monsterverse, I’d replace Kong with anguirus bc 1. Anguirus was the first monster Godzilla fought. 2. Anguirus has been by godzillas side longer than Kong (even if the first movie they were fighting). 3. Godzilla and Kong are dramatically tonally different when it comes to what they stand for. One is a tragedy with mild hidden 1930s racism in there, and the other is atomic horror that is a metaphor for nuclear war and the effects it has on nature. That’s like putting a Disney princess against Frankenstein’s Monster. It barely makes any sense!
And finally 4. It’s been years since anguirus got a proper return, he deserves it.
I’d also make the monsterverse have a more serious tone similar to minus one but have ideas similar to the original 90s goji pitch that sadly never came to be. Godzilla wouldn’t be a hero or a villain, but an animal that kills what ever it deems as a threat, a creature that has its home taken over my a new species it’s never seen before. Basically like beast of 2000 fathoms which Godzilla had allegedly borrowed inspo from. My monster verse is just a bunch of ancient animals reclaiming their home from humanity as they are awaken from atomic testing or some other major human caused environmental issues.
That is such a great point about Godzilla and Kong's conflicting themes! I can't believe I never considered that their rivalry is solely based on being in the same weight class as opposed to it having any underlying meaning!
And that's probably exactly why they had Kong instead of Anguirus. Kong is a much more familiar name than Anguirus to general audiences, so they cashed in on that as opposed to following tradition. I still can't believe they just made him a corpse in KOTM and that's it. The guy was Godzilla's boy throughout the Showa era! He took a chainsaw to the face for him! How do you diss him like that?
And I absolutely agree on the more serious tone for the series. I'm starting to think Godzilla 1985 is my favorite film, mostly because he's portrayed as a dangerous animal with a hatred for humanity, yet you still feel for him when goes into that volcano. I think that nuance, where we have a threatening creature we feel sorrow for, is necessary in telling a great Godzilla story. There's an Ishiro Honda quote that many people have already posted in this comment section that the Monsterverse showrunners should have heard before they put pen to paper.
"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Very well done video with extremely well articulated arguments. I mostly agree, but times are different. And you nailed it. Marketability in a capitalist country where the story us no longer the focus, the spectacle is. Looking at you GxK and GvK. I cant wait for part 2 where i hope you address the fact that Godzilla has become the supporting Titan in his own universe. The one bright factor here is atleast they change his appearance with each movie. As much as it is to sell things, i believe the filmmakers do it to honor Godzilla's constantly changing appearance in the Toho films. Or maybe thats me huffing the copium. Great job 👍
Thank you very much, sir.
There was no chance I wouldn't be talking about Godzilla being sidelined. I think they just took too long to develop him so wound up with relegating him to being a tool in the plot. Then they started developing Kong into the main character. I love the point that someone made recently that a Godzilla and Kong matchup has no deeper meaning to it as the characters represent completely unrelated ideas. I think it's emblematic of the writing of this series to have it's two main draws have nothing in common beyond being in the same weight class, which they still had to artificially create by making Kong giant for no reason.
I think that's just the copium, dude. I consider Godzilla's constantly changing appearance a result of inconsistency and poor planning in the series. Don't worry, though, you're not alone. I think I gakked up my fair share of copium when I did my TNE review.
As a monsterverse fan there are inconsistencies I really don't like but i do disagree on a point the whole Godzilla is a alogory for nuclear war not every Godzilla actually fits in this role a few that don't are singular point,earth Godzilla and monsterverse are not alogorys hell even the Minus one doesn't fit in it entirely the core is there but they also tell a different story
To be fair, I don't remember too much from Singular Point. It felt like it got too big for its britches when it started delving into quantum physics.
However, I'm going to have to disagree on the anime trilogy and Minus One. In both, Godzilla was born from the sin of the atomic bomb. Minus One more symbolized redemption after the war where the bomb was used. The anime trilogy, however, treated Godzilla's birth from mankind's use of the atomic bomb as an inevitability of intelligent life. A line that sticks with me from Planet Eater was that a planet is a seed and intelligent life (like mankind) is the plant born from that seed. That plant eventually bears fruit in the form of its own destroyer aka Godzilla. Ghidorah is the one that eats that fruit. The idea that Godzilla's birth from mankind's recklessness being part of a natural cycle always stuck with me.
In the Monsterverse, mankind and Godzilla don't really share that kind of connection. He was here before us and he'll be here after us. We're more a phase in his lifespan. It's a pretty badass sentiment, however there's not really much to do with it narratively.
To me, the atomic bomb was always our connection to Godzilla and without it, I don't really know what to think of our relationship. Sure, Monsterverse Godzilla is mankind's protector, but what makes him beholden him to that role? If he balances nature and we create an imbalance in nature, why would he protect us?
@BrutallyHannes ok i didn't know this but the monsterverse Godzilla doesn't protect humans that's the only thing I'm gonna say because he literally kills the military in Gvk the doesn't care about humanity he only cares about nature and balance not us he could careless that's all I'm gonna say yes he does leave the humans on the submarine alone but that's because they don't really attack or do anything to him it would have been freaking funny if he did kill them
I can understand your points. You enjoy the older og movies. Which is understandable as the older movies had some better writing and much more screen time for big G
If you see this comment I’m not trying to argue I’m just trying to put a point in. The last few movies have been more goofy but they are amazing my personal favorite era of Godzilla but people shouldn’t go after it for being goofy or not having a great plot because we all know deep down all we want is big monster fights. I love the MV because I can just turn off my brain and watch the movies and have fun doing it. It’s great seeing the amazing CGI that it has and by far the best fights in Godzilla history. Don’t take this as a I love the MV but not the Toho movies because I do really love toho especially -1 and shin. Please don’t get mad at me for my opinion because it’s mine and I’m not mad at yours because well it’s your opinion I can’t control it all I’m here for is to say why I love the MV. If you see this comment could you just tell me what you think of my little rant?
I dont have any problem with what you're saying so you have nothing to worry about!
If you show up to these movies for the monster action, that's your prerogative and I'd never fault you for it. If you like to turn your brain off and watch the action, that's perfectly understandable. I'm just frustrated with this series because it got to the point where you are required to turn your brain off to enjoy them.
You're completely justified in your position and I envy you for being able to just have fun with the movies! The only Monsterverse fans I do have a problem with are people unwilling to admit that the monster fights are all these movies really have going for them. My issue is substance over spectacle.
@ one thing to go off what you said the MV does have it’s moments aside for fights like bernie is a absolutely great character in my opinion he really stands out from the rest of the verse. Also one thing I think a lot of people don’t talk about is the fact that they write really good villains like skar and monster zero.
5:56 didn't notice that considering how many times i've watched that film 8:34 though they don't give that direct origin story they make clear that he has nuclear origin shown in gxk and LOM, but i get that it's not the same
Yeah, no lie... I originally wasn't going to watch this video thinking that it was just going to be another nonsensical Monsterverse hate vid, which is WAY too common and not for the right reasons either. I've seen plenty of people being very irrational or just downright stupid with their claims on the Monsterverse and it doesn't help that I had personal experience with some of those people that was not positive so I assumed the worst. However... unlike my younger self, I decided to give this video a shot and hear you out.
To tell you the truth and for someone who grew up with the Monsterverse as his TRUE introduction to the franchise (Cinemassacre's Monster Madness just put Godzilla on my mind with 1998, 2000 and Godzilla against Mechagodzilla being the only films I watched in their entirety back then before 2014)... I do have to agree with you on some merits. The Monsterverse is not perfect and that's mainly down to the fact of the tones of each film constantly shift and the creators tend to just make up the storylines as they go on (which granted, that's the whole point of making stories but they do it sloppily at times). I do disagree on Godzilla's portrayal in MV and screentime though as both of these aspects are not new to the franchise, nor are they damaging.... well until GvK and ESPECIALLY GxK made it worse. Having MV Godzilla be this engine of nature's wrath while still having the nuclear element (though it is just pushed to the side) works for this iteration of the character; this isn't the original Gojira suddenly turning into a good guy, which would be a problem characterization wise if that were the case but it's not. This is Godzilla of another continuity. This is what makes Godzilla as a character stay alive for the 70 years he's been, his versatility... not staying the same old "I'm a vengeful a-hole, fear me!" is what keeps him alive. He's not like Batman where he only stays in one place in his world and has to stay the same broody loner to defend Gotham, Godzilla is always fighting another monster or living in a different place or having another message to tell or giving another reason for his existence and with that... he HAS to change. You can't have the same thing over and over and over again, expected to stay the same quality... hell that's why Minus One was done so well because we haven't seen that evil, vengeful Godzilla in a while. Change is a necessity but it is all about how it is done that matters. I'm not going to sit down and pretend like the Monsterverse is perfect because like I said earlier, it's not but just because it's doing something different, doesn't mean it's deserving of unjust hate. Which is what you don't give it thankfully. In short, I only disagree with how you think Godzilla's characterization in some aspects is in MV but outside of that, I do agree with everything else... especially with what KOTM did. Hence why it's still my least favorite.
So sorry this ended up being longer than necessary but had a lot to say. Hopefully there's no ill will between us and you keep up the good content.
All I needed to subscribe is to see the title
Honestly I like mv Godzilla, I like how they tried to try something new with the character. He revived the franchise! Too bad he’s barely on screen tho and the only time he’s on is him fighting another kaiju. Which also just has to have the humans shoved in there sometime in the fight directing it away. Only time it didn’t do that when he was against scylla and tiamat. Which barely lasted 30 seconds. They’re literally making movies ABOUT Godzilla yet he’s barely in it. And yet kong is legit taking the spotlight.
Let’s be real, Godzilla is always gonna fall into the cycle of threat to society/thoughtful allegory of humans destructive tendencies to wholesome protector of earth, this has been a thing since the shows series. Obviously it didn’t start out that way but like I said it’s a cycle so it goes back to kids series. Honestly, the monster verse feels like a less charming and somehow dumber but still awesome version of the mid to late Showa movies, and In the end godzilla is awesome and nothing will ever take away from the original og goji
I disagree with you completely.
Fair enough.
I think the reason the Monsterverse made humanity not scared of Godzilla is because they didn’t have a nuke ever dropped on them so they have no reason to make people scared of him
I gotta be honest with you, that makes no sense. The US still bombed Japan during WW2 in the Monsterverse timeline. All they changed was that Godzilla wasn't a result of it.
In the Toho series, Godzilla was nature's equivalent to the atomic bomb. It was nature's response to mankind's sin. Monsterverse Godzilla has just always been here.
But even without the bomb, mankind should still absolutely be afraid of Godzilla. He flooded Hawaii and levelled San Francisco. Sure, the characters we follow understand his motivations but I doubt the people who live in the world would be so forgiving. In fact, the plot of KOTM had Mark hating Godzilla for killing his son and people protesting for the titans to be killed.
Even if you believe Godzilla is doing benevolent things, you'd still run if you saw him coming. The amount of unintentional damage he causes is still catastrophic. Let alone when he decides to burn a fleet to put Kong in his place in GvK.
I just long for the days where the damage he causes was intentional. I'd rather be killed as a result of his vengeance, not his bumbling clumsiness.
When you make the humans the main focus instead of the titular character like in the Bayformers movies, you're doomed to fail
both need to be equally the focus of the film
@@uxebob The only difference is that one are Giant Shapeshifting Alien Robots and the other are Giant Radioactive Monsters.
It doesn't surprise me that bringing up the Transformers movies in this related genre but whenever I chat giant about alien robots in the TF Fandom/Community it just tells me (& you) a different story.
Technically, I wouldn't even agree the humans are the focus. They're what the camera is more often looking at, but they're not really given any meaningful development.
I talk about it in my reviews, but Brody has no dialogue during the finale of 2014 where Godzilla's fighting the monster that killed his parents.
In GvK, Nathan Lind has no dialogue in the Hollow Earth, which literally defines his entire character.
Sure, they get more screen time but it wouldn't be accurate to say they get any real 'focus' lol
@@BrutallyHannes Well not the focus more like the screen time. Like you said in King of the Monsters, Godzilla was in the movie for what 10 minutes total.
@@darknessandmalice314 Oh I know, I was just making a joke about how what they focused on was still not good enough to make up for the lack of monster screentime.
11:53 Character writing and monster screentime. Idgaf what the limit of your budget is, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I completely agree with you on this.
I don't know why you play Son of Godzilla music when saying 54 should be gospel when creating Godzilla stories. Seems tonally off. But regardless, complaining that Legendary's Godzilla isn't a vengeful force of destruction as if that's the way the character is supposed to be is just complaining about the MV's basic premise. It's going into 2014 or any other MV film with a specific expectation to see Godzilla as one thing, getting flustered when the films clearly demonstrate that that isn't what the story is about, and then complaining that the story just isn't about something else entirely.
Subjective, yes, but that's the problem with applying subjective standards universally. It'll set a ludicrous standard that no media can ever live up to if applied consistently.
Well, I used that music track as I described KOTM's failings and mentioned 54 briefly during that segment. I think I gave it an appropriate track when discussing the Oxygen Destroyer.
Also, it may be the case that I was just disappointed that Monsterverse Godzilla wasn't the version I wanted, but how would you describe what he is? What description accurately summarizes his character from 2014 to The New Empire?
What exactly is the story about? Where is the plot going? Is there a message in these movies? Do they have a goal? A theme?
What I wish I'd gotten across more clearly is that when they created this saga, they should have settled on an actual arc for Godzilla's character rather than being molded to whatever the current director wanted of him. Godzilla can be a versatile character but you can't use a different version of him in every film of what's supposed to be a continuous saga. My point (which I didn't adequately phrase) is that if you don't have a plan, stick with what has proven to work.
I still love Godzilla 2014 and Kong Skull Island. KotM was the start of the decline, and by GvK it just goes full stoner / dudebro's unfunny stereotype of a Godzilla movie. I miss the age of shitpost-y humor see: Godzilla Final Wars, but when Hollywood especially nowadays tries to be "funny stupid" it just comes off as soulless quippy Marvel cringe or an excuse to just not even try to elevate the source material the way say Gamera Guardian of the Universe or Shin Ultraman do for theirs which is especially disappointing when the average Monsterverse movie commands a bloated 9-figure budget.
For the record I used to be in the camp where "the human characters don't really matter in these, but it's a nice bonus when they're well thought-out like Shin Godzilla or whatever", but then when I saw Godzilla vs. Kong there was a reckoning where I was like "ok so you can in fact make the human characters and script so obnoxiously garbage not even the cool monster fights can save it" and I'm assuming Part 2/2 of this will go into that.
You know it!
If you haven't checked out my full breakdowns for the Monsterverse series, then you definitely should. As I wrote my scripts, I always had that thought in mind where the human characters can still be fully realized and developed in a Godzilla film. Lo and behold, we got Minus One which proved my point exactly. The Monsterverse could've probably created more engaging human characters, had they actually attempted to do so. However, when you accept that as an impossibility and don't even bother trying, that's when you get GvK.
By the way, in terms of flubbing human characters, think about this little nugget. In my GvK review, I point out how Dr. Nathan Lind's character is obsessed with the Hollow Earth and yet, when he finally gets inside the Hollow Earth, where his brother died, he literally has no lines of dialogue. I swear! He has no opinions, no character moments, and nothing to do when he finally enters the realm that defines him as a character in the story. Dude doesn't even speak up when Apex draws guns on a little girl! He just disappears from the story in the sequence he would be most relevant.
The same thing happens in 2014, where Ford Brody has literally no dialogue during the entire finale. He has no opinions on Godzilla fighting the monster that killed his parents. It's like a trend in this series to set up and never pay off when it comes to the human characters.
@@BrutallyHannes I most certainly have watched your other videos! Your takedowns of GvK and KotM in particular are legendary. While I agree that 2014 has no shortage of flaws I still find a lot to appreciate in it.
Your are justified in hating the monsterverse because this cinematic universe is not good at all and I hate it to.
Yeah this video brings up good points for a subjective perspective, each film progressively is getting lamer and is just loosing Godzilla. The only films that nail it are king of the monsters, and 2014. GVK was good however heavy plot armor was involved, and GXK was so cool but the titans didn’t feel giant.
I love the Monsterverse more than any other era but yeah it’s getting worse, great video man
Thanks, buddy! Honestly, GvK was where I lost all hope because it demonstrated there'd be no attempts at continuity in terms of characters, themes or worldbuilding. I'm going to talk about it in my next video, but when all three are absent, there's no point in trying to theorize for future films. There wasn't anything for me to hold on to as a viewer. Now it's just a cartoon show with pink dinosaurs and flying monkeys.
@@BrutallyHannes Adding on to the fact Toho ruined the Monsterverse, making lore not canon, guiding the direction of it. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FILMS DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.
@ How did Toho ruin the Monsterverse? It certainly didn't need help.
@@BrutallyHannes It made the whole goji species not canon, they dissed shinomura, made the muto prime not canon, and changed shimo’s model because it looked to much like Godzilla. The Monsterverse is its own thing let legendary have full control
Off Topic but I prefer the Japanese Cut of Godzilla 2000 Millennium, I Do not like the zilla roars used in the american cut, at all!
As a monster verse fan I 100% understand hate towards these movies I prefer the absolute insane crazy monster bull crap in the current monsterverse then the dark like visibly to dark to see with the 0 screen time in Godzilla 2014 ALSO FUN FACT GODZILLA VS KONG THE MOVIE WHERE GODZILLA IS SIDELINED THE MOST IS THE MOVIE WHERE HE HAS THE MOST SCREEN TIME
I appreciate your honest opinion. If you just want to have monster fun, have at it!
I'm just the kind of nudge who gets caught up on the inner workings of the movies. I envy your ability to turn a blind eye to all the issues and just have fun.
I would honestly say that Godzilla vs Kong might have my favorite fight scenes in the Monsterverse thus far. However, in my next video, I'll be talking about how Godzilla vs Kong may have been the final nail in the coffin for continuity in the Monsterverse. But as for monster action, hell yeah.
@ honestly when it comes to movies I’m usually very nitpicky as well 😂 like how is there light in hollow earth or they only turned Godzilla pink cause shimos blue
I prefer monsterverse but that’s just my opinion
Nothing wrong with that. I envy you
While I enjoy the appearance, special effects and sound design of the monsters in the MV, the storytelling has been pretty bad. The human characters (aside from Cranston’s brief appearance) are forgettable and sometimes annoying, and the plots don’t make sense-like the ecoterrorists releasing all the monsters to restore balance to the Earth. What a ridiculous plan! What could possibly go wrong?
And I felt the same way about the oxygen destroyer. Going from the original movie weighing the morality of using such a device even in a dire situation like the one they faced to using it out of nowhere as a throwaway plot device was honestly a total insult to the message of the original. And don’t get me started on Serizawa having to stay behind and sacrifice himself because the remote detonator on the nuke was damaged. That is such formulaic, overplayed Hollywood nonsense that has been used countless times, most notably at the end of Armageddon with Bruce Willis’ sacrifice.
With all the complaints of the 2014 movie, I’ve come to find that one my favourite of the MV movies because it is the most grounded. No hollow Earth, no radical technology, spaceships(?), etc. Just good old tanks and fighter planes, falling hopelessly at the feet of these unstoppable creatures.
I’m not saying I hate these movies; I do enjoy the monster scenes. Rodan’s first appearance in Mexico was one of the most beautiful things in the entire franchise, and I enjoy the sounds and imagery of the battles, not to mention the mix of new monsters and old classic ones (hoping to see Gigan in the future).
But Hollywood really needs to get their act together in the writing department. Just look at what Toho did with Minus One. The emotional impact in that movie is off the charts.
I'll never say the Monsterverse films don't look great cosmetically, I just wish those moments were supported by a well-written story. It's always spectacle over substance in these movies.
Consider Godzilla and Kong's battle at sea. It was a great sequence that looked incredible. But when you think about it, you could remove the scene from the film and it would have no impact on the story. Kong still gets to Antarctica, Godzilla returns to the ocean, and the thousands of seaman who died are never mentioned again.
That's always been my biggest problem with these movies. Amazing sequences happen but their impact is never felt in the greater scheme of things. I wish they'd kept the tone of Godzilla 2014 because everything after that was just adding more elements with no connectivity and minimal explanation. The Hollow Earth, the tech, the titan radiation. It's all just thrown in and ripped out willy-nilly.
The Godzilla fan in me wants to see an American take on Gigan, but the UA-camr in me wants to see how bad the writing fucks him up.
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At this point I’ve come to accept that the story in these movies will probably disappoint, and that I’m just there to see the monsters-be it Gigan or whoever.
As far as feedback on New Empire, I actually think it wasn’t too bad, mainly because it did something new. Yes, the story was forgettable and the human characters weren’t compelling at all, but the new monsters were actually kinda cool and the fight at the end was pretty entertaining. I’m not really sold on the pink Godzilla, and I found that some parts of the movie lost scale, like the scene in the great ape lair where we first see Scar King. There are no man-made structures there so the monsters can’t be compared to things we’re familiar with so in my mind they inadvertently became human-sized, if that makes sense. Those parts of the movie felt kinda small as a result.
But again, I appreciated it being more original than the previous two films. KOTM and GVK relied too much on fan service, like bringing back the burning Godzilla from 1995, the oxygen destroyer, and when Mechagodzilla became corrupted by the Ghidora skull, like how the Kiryu Mechagodzilla was corrupted by the ‘54 Godzilla skeleton.
The one thing they did NOT bring back, which I thought they would, was Mechagodzilla having the Godzilla skin disguise at the start of the movie, like the original 70’s version. The trailer even made it look like that, quote: “Godzilla is out there hurting people and we don’t know why.” So I completely expected them to do the Terminator thing with Mechagodzilla and reveal that he’s not the real one partway through, after he’s fought Kong and harmed a bunch of people already. The real Godzilla shows up later on or something like that-I dunno, but that’s not what we got and it was the one time I thought they SHOULD have reused the original idea. I know that’s a bit hypocritical since I just said they did too much fan service, but the way MV Mechagodzilla was revealed in the movie was pretty lacklustre.
What I’d really like to see is MV Godzilla fight another Godzilla. And model the bad Godzilla after one of the classic ones-resized, of course. Like have 1985 Godzilla (since that’s my favourite) come in Thanos-style and decimate the good monsters, then they have to regroup and figure out a way to beat the bad one, likely by trapping it or something since killing it would likely be impossible. Making them team up with it to fight a common enemy is overdone so I wouldn’t do that.
I’m biased towards 1985 Godzilla since that’s still my favourite Godzilla movie, plus he looks and sounds amazing, and frankly doesn’t get the attention he deserves nowadays. It would be a nice tribute to see him lay waste once again.
I've never even cared enough to watch these films, you can't recreate the magic and authenticity of men in monster suits, I may have been fooled with the 2014 film myself because I was just a kid but everything afterwards I automatically knew was gonna be nothing but marvel action slop without a modicum of nuance.
It started falling off when KOTM happened then after that was GVK and then GXK.
@@MrWaSpY-Trn none of them look even remotely worth watching.
@@AbrasiousProductionsjust go to youtube and watch the fights, thats all you really need to do with the monsterverse
The series peaked at Kong: Skull Island
3:52 No, from what I heard it was probably cuz Gareth was inspired by Cloverfield.
from what i've been told g14 sounds like a mod for gamera guardian of the universe
9:46 yes. Remember godzilla sells toys and people love it. Look at minus one. Plus godzilla isn't saving humans in protocol he's protecting the earth. He doesn't care how many humans die or how many cities are destroyed as long as the villain is dealt with. That pretty much makes him a short of antihero. Kinda like his heisei counterpart. Plus in the context of this universe I'm cool with godzilla not being created by nuclear weapons instead it woke him up from a long nap and is always is. Not every version of godzilla needs to be like the 54 version. It's trying to be it's own thing and toho liked it.
I think Toho likes the Monstervers because it sells toys. They're probably just honored to have Hollywood revitalize interest in Godzilla. Did they ever say what they specifically liked about the Monsterverse or did they just give it a thumbs up?
@BrutallyHannes Well Toho has generally been positive about the Monsterverse Godzilla, it's not necessarily a case of "love" as much as appreciation for the character's continued popularity and exposure on a global scale. So it's most likely both maybe the ladder. Plus they wouldn't be working with legendary since gvk if they didn't have faith in legendary doing godzilla, Mothra rodan and king ghidorah and mechagodzilla right
@ I think that 1998 also factors in. Toho saw the worst case scenario for an American adaptation for their monster and even took shots at it in their own films (GMK and Final Wars). Compared to that, Monsterverse Godzilla is a dream. I completely understand Toho's support of the Monsterverse but I'd LOVE to hear their thoughts on its specific elements.
@@BrutallyHannes eh I see what you mean
I see Godzilla in anything and I’m here for it! (Minus mobile lol) More Godzilla is always a win
"not a offended question" [if you hate the monsterverse then don't watch it why bother to watch it if you just hate it :/]
It's "(opposing) opinions"
Well... I love Godzilla. I grew up on it. Even if I disagree with the creative choices being made, I'll still show up for my boy.
The fact is, if I'd never watched the Monsterverse movies, I'd have no right to talk about them. I have to expose myself to a product in order to have an opinion about it, but I'm in no way obligated to have my opinion be a positive one.
Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why you're a Godzilla fan? Maybe there are reasons that you never actually considered because you never took the time to explore them. For me, these videos are that exploration. I like learning about myself as I figure out why I like some things and not others.
I'm glad you asked this because you inspired a new idea for a video. So let me ask you, why do you like Godzilla?
if you love a franchise but then parts of the franchise become not good for you then ofc you’re gonna talk about it :/]
The fact you use the basic :/ without (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ (☞ ಠ_ಠ)☞ or ಠ_ಠ makes me hate you even more @@uxebob
@@uxeboband also you make Aİ slop twice.
Hope the story of PORTAL 1 & 2 happens someday.
yknow most of these sort of vids are just people with absolutely no idea of how things work with godzilla but this guy does understand and was just stating an opinion, while yes mv is my fav godzilla series all of these points i agree on especailly the oxygen destroyer and how it shouldve had way more built up and how the legacy monsters shouldve 100% not been the SECOND MOVIE.
I already lost interest in the monsterverse.
It doesn't surprise me. The point of my videos is to understand why you did.
My favorite Godzilla is the one from the showa series, I like Godzilla as a charismatic character, he doesn't need to be a good guy for me to like him, I love his personality and I also like the fact that he's the only Godzilla to go through a character arc, in raids again he's an neutral character, in vs king kong, vs mothra and Ghidorah he's a vengeful villain, in astro monster, ebirah and son of Godzilla (and also destroy all monsters) he's an anti hero and finally, in the 70s movies he became a hero, it makes me like that incarnation way more than any other version of him that there is, in all honesty, the essence of character depends on the incarnation that we are talking about, the atomic bomb essence of Godzilla only applies to the original Godzilla, the minus one incarnation and from what I can recall, the heisei era one, so yeah, all that I am trying to say is...Godzilla is not a fixed character since not all Godzillas are the same character, and I also prefer charismatic Godzilla over edgy Godzilla like the one from gmk and shin...oh and one last thing, I dislike the monsterverse too
The fan boys are why I don't like the midverse
I like how you (and even in the Godzilla Fandom/Community a dozen people) don't like the MV which they resort on only calling it as a hollywood Insult like - "the midverse" or "Midsterverse" to easily fish/magnetize out for the type of rage-baits that have value because the films are a outcast for the Gojira fandom.
For me the monsteverse is becoming the next Bayverse 2.0 (unfortunately).
As if Toho fanboys with Minus One were better 💀💀
@@adamcristianlopesferreira158195% of the godzilla fan base is hella toxic not gonna like some toho boomers can be equally as bad as MV glazers
@MrWaSpY-Trn tbh Kong skull island and Kotm were good just sucks that every movie now is so washed down and that's a good point of calling it the bayverse never thought about it like that lmao
@@Knee07 The only films that damaged the MV were (likely) KOTM GVK and GXK.
I guess that's & this is what happens when you have a movie studio that gets a couple different directors with their own ideas/plans/styles/themes for staring a cinematic universe, smfh. 🤷♂️
and admittedly here we are now. /:
I totally disagree, but I respect it 👍
"I'm down for anything suga" I hope you like men~~
Honestly, while the human element of GxK was pretty mid (expect for Trapper, I loved that guy), the monster element was phenomenal.
The CGI allows for the monsters to be completely expressive, and I honestly think the MV allows for the opportunity to tell a Godzilla story without any human involvement whatsoever.
I'm curious to see what Grant Sputore brings to the table for the next MonsterVerse movie, and to see if he can learn from the highs and lows of the directors that came before us to give us something great.
I can see your point in this video, and I agree with some of it, but obviously not all of it. I might be critically 'blind' or be a smooth brain in some regard, but I actually liked G14 and I ADORED KOTM. The latter was the kind of Godzilla film I wanted to see since the wilderness years of the franchise. (Excluding the Russel family subplot, I treated those portions of the film like unofficial intermissions) And I'm gonna be honest, I have to disagree with your take on Godzilla's portrayal in the Monsterverse. I grew up with a bias towards a more heroic Godzilla via Final Wars and various showa entries. I just find the idea of rooting *for* the monster rather than against it, and the plot actually giving you reason to root for said Monster, to be very interesting.
That being said, I'd stick with his portrayal here, but with a more aggressive edge, a more neutral anti-heroic character, he'd do things in accordance with Nature, but that doesn't mean he'll always be *our* savior, when he brings destruction, it wont be senseless, there'd be a purpose to it. in a nutshell, we start building Ivory towers in our own honor, he'll tear them down, but if we are in crisis without hope, then he'll be that hope, or the thing that ends the crisis. Another thing I'd do is in KOTM, if they HAD to use the bomb to bring Godzilla back, at least call it out for what it is: a necessary evil for the sake of peace, but at what cost? and will Godzilla forgive them afterwards for it? Also I'd give him an ACTUAL arc for his character. When you think about it, Godzilla has never really been a "Character" in any of his movies, just a plot device or a MacGuffin or a mix of the two with the illusion of a character. (Could be a hot take but I'll leave it here anyway)
But I get it, you resonated more with his OG interpretation, the destroyer, the monster born from our nuclear recklessness, awesome man. But while that interpretation is the seed of what Godzilla is, don't forget about the massive and variable tree he's grown into (And he has been a tree!) He's a hero, a villain, a destroyer, a protector, destruction itself, nature's champion, it's bane, and a marketable plush or figure. I don't think you could tie him down to a singular portrayal and say: "That's all you need to know about him" or "This is the true depiction," he's too many roles he fits extremely well in now. And I've got a feeling he'll be given more as time goes on.
Before I cap things off, lemme pitch you an idea for a Godzilla film that could marry our two visions of Godzilla, what if a movie was made that gave him the Iron Giant treatment. "Godzilla; a creature born from atomic devastation, who's existence is a warning and a cruel reminder of our hubris and our fragile nature. He's a force of destruction, but what if he didn't want to be...?"
Whew, this was a long one, hope you can digest this, I liked the video!
Okay let's go
For me i hate the monsterverse community
Ik it’s just a bunch of brain dead little kids who don’t know that people can have different opinions
@@strikerfc-gv7pc I'm surprised that I'm the _only one_ in the MV community who's open-minded here and straight up don't screech/shout out my (opposing) opinions in a abrasively obnoxiously annoyingly rude way.
@@MrWaSpY-Trn Idek what I commented since it won’t show up on my screen
I for one Prefer the Heisei/Millennium godzilla Movies, The Showa Era is Overrated
I have great reverence and appreciation for everything the Showa did.
But I agree with Ishiro Honda's opinion that it became too far a departure from Godzilla's character.
@@BrutallyHannes Another showa fanboy How typical
@ I literally just said that the Showa era was too far a departure from the intended characterization of Godzilla, which was better represented in the Heisei and Millennium sagas. I just didn't want to discount the Showa era's additions to the Godzilla universe, like, you know, King Ghidorah, Gigan, Mothra, etc.
If you're calling me a 'Showa fanboy' for recognizing the Showa era's contributions, I genuinely wish you luck on your journey through life. You need it more than you're clearly capable of realizing.
@@BrutallyHannes sorry I Just prefer the Millenniun and Heisei eras
@ I do too! I just think it's wrong to discount all that came between those sagas and the original. The Showa era isn't the pinnacle of cinema, but in the context of the Godzilla series, the monsters and concepts they added are irrevocably part of Godzilla's history and also facilitate those later sagas.
What would the Heisei and Millennium sagas be without Mothra, Ghidorah, Gigan and Mechagodzilla? Hell, Final Wars would've been Godzilla just walking toward a spaceship for 40 minutes. GMK without the M and K? Please.
Overrated maybe, but essential nonetheless. That was my point.
With the nuclear origins thing, they shouldve made the nuclear bombs make him slightly taller (85m to 108m) and have atomic abilities. Also keep the tsunamis as a running thing, so hong kong gets flooded and the fghts occur on the mountain. Also make the twin sisters family from be involved Godzilla 3 or Mothra solo movie. For What we kniw as gxk remove mothra, shimo and goji (maybe include one of the unseen kaiju from kotm) back to KOTM, save the oxygen destroyer for the final fight, and show that some people didnt evacuate (not a better main cast they evacuate because reasons) and died. Additionally, have the terrorist guy from kotm (or whatever antagonist) be a reoccurig godzilla opp and pilot MG. For KOTM, unlock spiral heat ray, not thermo. Also only tease destroyah lightly by having them go through the zoo i forgot the name of in boston and see a dead crab (this crab wont become dest but dest will form in boston in my hypothetical) mothra's sacrifice then would be lending her energy to to Godzilla. Rodan halfway through would be anihilted by goji and switch sides onky to be killed by ghidorah. So mothra will revive rodan to give him the beam from 1993, (temp ability) so my timeline would go (G14, Skull Island KOTM, GVK, Kong 2 (gxk replacement) Godzilla 3, Mothra, Kong 3, Rodan, Godzilla X Kong (not the gxk we know) make suggestions to this timeline or my alterations. Note that it is a bit incoherent I just wrote what I was thinking
I'd agree with nuclear weapons having any meaningful impact on Monsterverse Godzilla. I like the idea of him earning his beam somewhere in the first movie. I just really hate the idea that he's had his beam since the dawn of time. Like if you want to make him a symbol of nature, giving him a radioactive heat beam is the most unnatural edition.
Maybe Castle Bravo gave him his beam but the 2014 movie never specifically said so. In fact, all they would have had to do was make him look different before and after that first bomb and we could just do the math in our heads.
And YES! The tsunamis! Imagine if he caused one as he left the city of cheering people at the end of 2014.
As for the twins, they pissed away that opportunity way too early and then they dropped the character. Never even bothered making a connection between the twins and Mothra before they disappeared from the plot.
And they should definitely bring back the monsters featured during Ghidorah's uprising. I still can't believe they dropped all of that at the start of GvK.