Can You Put TOO Much Tape on a Cymbal?
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_______________ Can You Put TOO Much Tape on a Cymbal? -- One of the questions that I've been getting asked a lot on social media and via email is about taping the ride cymbal. What does it do? Is it ok? Will it harm the cymbal? Is it normal? How much tape do you need to use? How much is too much?
So in this video I team up again with my good buddy Stephen Clark (aka The Non-Glamorous Drummer) and we set out to see if we can discover just how much tape is TOO much. We have a lot of fun in this one.
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Cymbal Setup From Left To Right:
All Zildjian
Hats:
16" EFX Crash on top
16" K Light Top Hat on bottom
18" Kerope Crash
22" K Custom Dark Complex Ride
22" Renaissance Ride
Drums:
Tama Starclassic Bubinga with Tiger Wood finish
Sticks:
Vic Firth 5A
Drumheads:
Aquarian
Classic Clear on toms and snare resonant
Response 2 on toms batter
Hi-Velocity on snare batter
Regularor (Ebony) on kick resonant
Super Kick 10 on kick batter
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Enough tape and it sounds like the high-end First Act cymbals.
I love Stephen in this video!
He's the best
@@StephenTaylorDrums It almost sounds like those blocks you can bang on when you added 17 pieces of tape and the shirt
Good video, it's just difficult to hear the differences with the ride when the snare is so loud
So, no more than 2, in other words.
Lol, yep, unless you're just really wanting to kill the cymbal
JD Beck wants to know your location.
thanks LOL shame removed @@nram3930
*One of the questions that I've been getting asked a lot on social media and via email is about taping the ride cymbal. What does it do? Is it ok? Will it harm the cymbal? Is it normal? How much tape do you need to use? How much is too much?*
*So in this video I team up again with my good buddy Stephen Clark (aka The Non-Glamorous Drummer) and we set out to see if we can discover just how much tape is TOO much. We have a lot of fun in this one.*
*Be sure and subscribe to Stephen Clark's channel here: **ua-cam.com/users/sccdrum93featured*
*Watch the other videos in this series:*
*Does the ROOM Affect the Drum Sound?: **ua-cam.com/video/7GFS1WeFOjA/v-deo.html*
*Which Zildjian Ride Cymbal Is The BEST?? | Cymbal Shootout: **ua-cam.com/video/W2kb0IVzGAg/v-deo.html*
*Is There REALLY a Difference Between Burying & Bouncing the Beater: **ua-cam.com/video/2CusSKJ05m8/v-deo.html*
*Leave a comment below and let me know what YOU think about taping the ride cymbal!*
Man, I'd love to see you two play Wipeout by The Ventures; it has 2 drummers playing at the same time (at least as seen on the live version) and it'd be great to see you two playing.
2-4 sounds about right
So this is the new L80 ride?
This is the original L80 lol
Wonderful video and collab that MUST have taken forever to shoot and edit!!!!! Thank you both!! I REALLY wish you would’ve had a practice pad on the snare so we could better distinguish the changes in the resonance of the ride, tough!!
I’m loving these vids man
Hi Stephen(s), I like this video because it brings up a couple of points of importance and is thought provoking.
First in the studio anything goes to get the sound you need....as long as it is moral!( Love that bit!😂) I agree 100%.
Part of the "art" of music making is in the creation of the tool required to overcome and succeed.
Another thing I'd like to point out about this is, in my opinion, the 3rd version of the cymbal was the last version appropriate for that backbeat. To my ears the wide open was best, but again, MY EARS & MY OPINION.
I could see where chokeing that cymbal more with tape might be necessary in a lower volume, "torch song" or soft ballad or possibly even live stuation where controlling the ride with stick technique might be a challenge and a darker ride is not available. It might have been a more instructive video if that had been demonstrated or at least addressed verbally.
Less experienced drummers may have walked away from this video with the idea that at some point that cymbal sounded like utter crap. And they no doubt might have been right based on the back beat you were playing.
Their inexperience may have kept them from considering or being aware that the extremely deadend sound might actually have a place in a studio or live situation.
The last thing I would like to point out is also for the less experienced drummers who have never played along to a click!
I'm sure you would agree that the editing for this video would have been an absolute nightmare rather than the seamless, dead on result you got if not for the click! Essential piece of equipment for any and every drummer, no matter how big your ego is ( aka internal metronome! Yeah, I said it!😜😅).
Hope niether of you or your followers take my thoughts as negative. This was just my take away of an excellent demonstration!
I should clarify my use of the term "less experienced drummer" doesn't mean strictly newbie drummers. As well, it includes those who have been playing for years but have not yet run into this situation in their journey.
Thanks for your indulgence!
Peace to all!
Great video! It helped me to decide what and where to place to mute a little bit my cymabls sound!
00:30 STEPHEN CLARK BLINKED!
I've taped a couple cymbals when I had to play in a bar where the floors, and the walls were all wood, and concrete. I also think that muffled tom heads work well for 70s style country. Personally, I think that 4-6 pieces of tape sounds best for muffling a ride cymbal. 6-10 might have some limited use for an 808 kit. But anything after 11 pieces just sounds horrible!
Me: So Stephen, do you like taping your ride?
Stephen: 6:13
Lol man
doesn't Stephen look like the actor that played Nikki Sixx on The Dirt
Use flex tape
Nice!
R.I.P. Phil Swift
Great collab guys
Love the collaboration! I am subscribed to Stephens channel as well :)
Thanks Trey!
Great video! I have this same exact cymbal and I love it, but often it needs just a tad bit of dampening.
I have a question for you. When filming this, how many pieces of tape was your favorite for the groove you were playing?
None. But again, there isn't a musical context. Add other instruments, a song, etc...well, then my opinion changes based upon the sound needed.
I ordered some gaffers for this very same cymbal. It’s my favorite ride but oh boy it’s a super lively cymbal that could use a little taming. Can’t wait for it to patina out.
Long live the 22” Renaissance!!!
Cheap low volume cymbals
Hi. What is this thingy you put on your snare? I've been looking for these kinds of drum set percussions but couldn't find anything..
I'm a three tape man in the studio with a 21 inch Sweet Ride, cuts the low end wash a bit.
Thanks for the helpful video! I play e-drums for over 10 years and am about to buy some cheap, crap REAL cymbals. I feel like taping them is definetly an option if they have to much of an "big, uncontrollable" sound.
At first I was so confused, seeing Stephen Clark in the Thumbnail but the channel was Stephen Taylor
When it got to around 8 it started to sound like my artisan elite 22” . Dry and dead ... tape and T-shirt that was hilarious
How to turn a constantinople into a k custom special dry LOL
I've never needed to tape any of my cymbals or cowbells for that matter, I'd hate to try to get rid of all the left over residue from the tape.
I'm not knocking anyone who does, it's just not for me.
I have a Paiste Signature Series Medium Heavy 22 Inch Symphonic Ride which has great pinpoint clarity & a huge bell sound. If I need a more washy less loud ride, I have 16" & 18" medium crashes that double as quieter rides. I have put some bath plug chain hanging via a drilled hole from the wingnut, which hangs down around 3/4's the length of the cymbal as to not choke the sound too much. I get a real nice sizzle sound with plenty of sustain, it's cheaper than buying a riveted cymbal & only costs less than 5 bucks to make. Only drawback is unintentional striking of the chain, but this doesn't happen too often.
+Stephen Taylor +Stephen Clark
Great demo guys! I've got at least some amount of gaffer tape on nearly all of my rides to dial-in the wash.
HOWEVER, I really would have liked you to play 4 bars with JUST the Cymbal ride pattern (no kick or snare) with a few crashes thrown in, and then at least 2 bars with a nice bell pattern.
And while that's a fun, seriously CRACKIN' snare drum, a few bars with a MUCH lighter touch on it would've revealed more of the delicacies of what was happening with the cymbal as you progressively added the tape.
Don't get me wrong, I know these types of videos take a ton of time & work to put together, and you gotta have some limits, so I definitely appreciate the time & energy taken to produce it...you definitely earned a 👍.
now the "no tape" version sounds so bright and has so much sustain!
As you added more tape, did you find it more challenging to not lay into the cymbal more to get the resonance that you are used to hearing?
Yes!
I appreciate how you were able to keep your dynamic consistent thru the stages. I hope others see that too. 👍🏻
I like the Stephen with the beard.
If you’re having to use that much tape to get the sound you want, maybe you need a different cymbal.
Loved up to Eight pieces of tape
I only really see tape as useful when mics are involved, otherwise the ringing overtones get drowned out by buzzing amps or blend into the horn sections. Also I don’t really want to cover my cymbals in tape at home because I’m just gonna forget to take it off till three years later, at which point the residue will be permanently part of the cymbal.
Stephen what's that snare mic stand/claw?
So i can either put 14 strips of tape on the bottom of my ride, or alternatively use a spare piece of sheet metal I have laying around, good to know!
Fun video though, i'd love to see more stuff like messing around with drum sounds and doing bizzare things to kits. I could totally see some of these "insane" things getting people a specific sound they're looking for.
Edit: also the editing on this video is worthy of an award
Lol, pretty much...and yes, Tim Buell is the MAN when it comes to the edit. Gotta give him all of the credit on that one.
After like five pieces of tape, I was like ‘hey, this is all cuts!’ Stoopid me
Im not sure what i think about sustain after hitting a crash what do you think?
He played on the snare so much that it de-tuned 😂
It’s an amazing cymbal to last that long with so much tape. It rang much longer in to the test than I thought it would.
Genial, y podrías hacer el mismo ejemplo pero con un plato con sonido brillante o estridente como por ejemplo Sabían B8pro, o marca similar?
Esos platos son malisimos, mejor meterles cinta
I could watch the Stephen and Stephen show every day. The Stephen+rdavidr show? Not so much...
New Ride Cymbal King Crimson 'Discipline' album cover at 3m+ mark. LOL "No matter how I break it down, I think I like it!" I have a couple of heavy Paiste rides that need tape in a recording setting and at some smaller venues. Usually just a 1x4" strip or 2.
Yea, one is usually all it needs. More than 2 really starts to affect the cymbal in a big way.
I’m new to your channel. Came here from rdavidr would love to see your collection of drums and cymbals #zildjianalltheway
I think it stopped sounding like a ride at 3 strips of tape but with all that tape on it I think it would make a cool effect cymbal
i use clear PP (polyprop) tape on bottom of cymbals.. has the same effect as duct.. but you don't see it ... also, taping just the cup of crashes can lower and control them ..
ebeat7 yea, I wish I would have talked about taping towards the bell as being a starting point.
whyyyyy oh whyyyyyyy! Maybe you should try tin snips?
Stephen looking like he's gonna take a bite out of that cymbal
King I did. Tasted horrible.
both of my online teachers ❤
I tape underneath with some folded gauze. It's focused just enough to pull the excessive ring out but allow the cymbal to still perform naturally. I start midway from the Bell.
Wolf Man yea, if I tape at all it’s closer to the bell than the edge.
+Stephen Taylor - I do have to admit, the additional extra tape on that Ride had an interesting effect ... kinda like a Giant Closed Hi-Hat.
Moongel works well too.
Loved this vid! Gonna experiment on my Ride cymbal for live. I’ve been looking for that “just right” wash to ping ratio and didn’t know how exactly to do it. 👍🏻👍🏻
Btw, what was that bouncing dampening thing on the top of the snare? Sounded awesome. Thanks guys!
4:07 no tape
5:03 3 tape
5:42 5 tape
6:17 7 tape
7:09 10 tape
Short answer...YES!! : )
Y'all gotta interview Steve Stevens !
Have you experimented alternatively using moongel? Great video by the way
Yea, I've used that a ton in the past as well if needed to mute up a cymbal
Did you find one worked better or did it depend on the application in which you used it?
Max tape sounds better than, say, the Z practice cymbals with all the holes in them.
Instead of taping my cymbals I use Cympads, they come in different sizes and don't leave any residue. Way better option in my opinion!
Yea those are great
Yup!!
I bought a 16" Paiste Signature full crash, a bit too bright and explosive, gotta tape it a little...
So is this a hack for muting a cymbal?!? I really need a low volume cymbal but I don't want to drill holes in it
Damn with all the tape on it started sounding like a zildjian!
This may be the wrong place to ask, but can you (if you have I haven't come across it) do something on your thoughts about cowbells? I'd love to know more.
Simon Woodward you bet...I’ve got another collab with another you tuber and we’ve got some cowbells cookin
@@StephenTaylorDrums Oh wow. Fantastic. I also really am loving the non glamorous drummer. Thanks for sharing his stuff and putting people onto Stephen, Stephen. Just for the record. My oldest friend is also called Stephen. With a ph. I just wanted you to keep reading Stephen over in your head.
Bad jokes aside, I can't wait for the cowbell stuff.
Thanks for the reply. Keep up the amazing work.
For some C R A Z Y reason, I felt like it was hard to breathe while listening around 8ish. Could this be the true meaning of "Choked"? Great informative video! Thanks
by 8 pieces, it definitely just sounds like a hi-hat
I have a Paiste 22 inch 2002 ride that doesn't require tape. Now I wonder what's wrong with me.
Me too
I am not sure but for me, no tape on heads or cymbals. I have always scoffed at it. Maybe it is for drummers that play too loud, I don't know.
I bought a sticky hand to use for moongel, but I have never used it.
This comes in to play when you are in a studio setting. You simply can't always tune out the troublesome overtones that the mics are picking up. I'm with you, I love an open drum...but...there are times when we need to quickly kill a bad tone or deaden up a drum or cymbal. Whatever you have to do in the studio to get the sound the client wants...that's what has to happen.
I scoffed at the idea of tape, too. Then I had a Masterclass with the great Dave Mattacks (Jethro Tull, Fairport Convention and now Los Angeles session man). He's a really nice guy! I took my ride cymbal. He said it was a nice cymbal, but could use a little tape. "TAPE???!!!" I gasped. He said 'We all use tape. Every professional drummer I know uses tape - its normal, just don't use too much...' I can't remember his exact words, but that was basically it.
For some it's about controlling sound, for others it's a way to get a darker sound without changing heads, cymbals, etc.
what kind of tape are you using here?
Gaffers tapw
I think around 2 or 3 is about right for the crash, but the tape also kills the ride a bit
Okay what snare is that I need it
Who knew you could use tape to hold down your cables lol
After 12 pieces of tape, your cymbal sounded like a 22” Sabian Jack DeJohnette model I used to have
Man! The first church I played in had that cymbal. I called it the ride of death. Hated it. Then, I got in to jazz. I spent months looking all over the church for that cymbal...I wanted that dry attack sound. Come to find out, they had given it to a church in Costa Rica.
Stephen Taylor I honestly don’t know what happened to mine. “There it was, gone.” I suspect that my memory of the cymbal is somewhat romanticized, and I don’t think I could apply it to the music I’m making now. For example, these days my go-to ride is a 22” Sabian Manhattan Jazz, which is the exact polar opposite of the DeJohnette cymbal.
next vid: can you have enough cymbals?
Never.
4 strips was the sweet spot
0:00 None of you is Steven! You're Stephen! Get it right! :D
End of the video edit: This video was way more fun that it was supposed to! Great job!
lol
between 2 and 4 is perfect for jazz in my opinion. just enough wash to get out of the way quickly.
Absolutely...when I was playing a lot of jazz I kept one long strip under my 20" ride to dry it out and give it more definition.
So 3?
I thought 2 pieces of tape sounded great!!
It's cool when worlds combine.
I'm going to try Painters Tape.
Wy tape'''and take the beauty of the cimbal??I think cimbals are nice the way they are..😎🇵🇷
No kidding bro. Totally agree
@@pitchingwedge1 👍😎🇵🇷
Some people want to practice without waking up the neighborhood.
Stop at 10 IMO. Good balance there.
Yup, a ride mic would have made this a useful video..
I think, in this cymbals case, when you had 4 pieces on it ¨it improved¨ish after 8 it got too dark and then some....
Michael Lorusso Yea, past a couple it gets ridiculous.
Now tape up a quiet cymbal and see if it makes it louder cause you're adding more area
I know from experience that if you put too much tape, the cymbal will have a dead sound
Its all about the edge of the cymbal
Gaffa tape not gaffffffffffff tape as you said it haha.
helder skelter If we’re going to nit pick the pronunciation of the word, it’s actually “gaffer tape”
I cringed when I saw the tape over the logo...
I would say 4 is about the limit?
Snare pops more with each strip.
10.50 Grand Master Flesh
For me putting tape on a cymbal is like cutting a Lego brick...
- If you think your ride is too lively.
- I you need to tape it up
- If what you actually wanted was a crash.
You might just have bought the wrong cymbal to begin with...
The cymbal is pretty much dead after 5 pieces
No more than 4 pieces of tape.
Steven, it's ok to be married to your favorite ride cymbal😉
Divergent Drums I don’t need your approval. JUST LET ME LIVE MY LIFE!!!!!! 🧜🏻♂️
@@StephenTaylorDrums LOL!!!
Snare???
Tape 1...2............17...shirt.......blanket......mattress......
wow....i hate it....i tried some gels and i liked them....on my crashes and even on the hats, but right about #15 and up you are just KILLING the cymbal....and T shirt makes that gorgeous ride crash sound like a cheap piece of junk....im looking into this cos im bout to start recording, and mine are a little loud.....smaller sticks and gels from the dollar store are gonna have to do.
now if i can just learn top PLAY BETTER.....lol.....but you guys are entertaining and fun together.....two drummers....how could that NOT be fun?.
the Stephens....
Ed White lol, yea we went to the ridiculous side with it
I learned my lesson!!!
lol
2 sounded best in opinion.
Jim Black says no.