7y old video, so not much hope anyone reading this, but I just wanted to tell, that this kind of lock was my first ever pick! Customer had left Kensington cable hanging from his rental laptop, and of course the key was nowhere to be found. I do not have any tools, but I gave it a try with tweezers and paperclip :D took a while, but I managed to get it open! And yes, whole time LPL was whispering to my ear: "nothing on one, a little click on two...."
I know this is old, but love coming back to it as a mini masterclass in 'how to'!... If only lock makers could bring themselves to watch it again and again too. 🤣 Many thanks, pure class. P.S. Having seen that magnificent little tension tool I made a swift sketch and made myself one, for personal use. Your clear instruction and excellent detailed camera work is endlessly appreciated. Thank you.
The copper pin causes failure of the pin if anything other than the key is "forced" into the keyway it will deform and prevent that pin being set rendering the lock useless afterwards even with the key. Maleable materials found in these locks are for this reason. Also copper work hardens meaning it may start soft but gets harder the more its manipulates so it also can delay a forced rotation on the lock. Starts soft but ends hard.
First tubular lock I've seen that isn't vulnerable to the self-impressioning tool, and had to dug into your archives for this. It's a shame they don't vary spring tension and driver pins on most of these locks, if it's this easy to protect against an unskilled attack that takes two seconds IMO no lock that misses this step should be considered a lock at all. An obscure latch, maybe.
There is the practice to mix different metals in a lock to prevent accessibility by pouring acid into the cylinder. By theory the bolts can be weakened until they break, but only if the used acid can attack every metal used. There where mixes with stainless steel, copper and a third one, maybe gold or silver. You could see the differences in the three colors. I saw them in scooter locks.
Hello, I’ve recently bought a caravan, which the previous owner has put a tubular lock on the door, . The grooves don’t line up and I cannot lock it, I was wondering if you could give me any help on this please? Thank you in anticipation, Philip,.
The tumbler locking pin can be removed by drilling a small shallow hole in it and threading a small screw into the hole until it catches then pull it out with needlenose pliers then it can be later reinstalled without damage.
You can use that tool on them locks. I use light tension and a stethoscope to hear the set (or not if you’re young). You retract them all and thumbset using those push ends they put on there for that reason. Bonus is once it is set you got a key. Bought several vending machines in my day keys not included and ace 2 locks are still standard on them.
Thank you for posting this. I lost my keys for my cheap Stack On gun cabinet, so I'm gonna give it a go without having the tools u used. Hope I get it open, cause I have a whole bunch of useless junk in there! My cabinet is the kind with two doors. A skinny one and a fatter one. Each has two locks, top and bottom. Got all day to fool with it.
Possible explanation for the copper pin?:- it's soft, annealed copper which easily deforms/dents if excessive tension is applied during picking? Not an issue if a legit key is used but could be an issue if a heavy handed inexperienced picker were to attempt the lock. May also be a witness in that case. Just my two cents 🤨
The reason they have the reputation as being difficult to pick is precisely because they do not self-impression. The different material spring modification was specifically introduced to defeat the tubular self-impression. However, both the ACE and the ACE II have much tighter tolerances than many nasty tubular locks which again, makes them harder to pick.
The design to defeat self impressioning I get and appreciate... and the increased tolerances are nice. But these locks are still very easy to SPP... just crank up the tension to defeat the tapering on the pins, and these things pop open with ease.
@@lockpickinglawyer I think that a vast majority of people don't have a tubular tension wrench with them most of the time. And if they do it has to be picked 3 or 4 times. It's security through laziness.
@@lockpickinglawyer So a higher tension IS recommended. Ok, cool. I was afraid I was using too much, but the ACE 2 have is pretty old and very stiff. Is that normal?
@@lockpickinglawyer What I'd like to see discussed is if there is a drop in replacement for these types of locks that would make them harder to pick. It seems these locks require very little skill to unlock and I could see someone buying one of those tools and just around unlocking mailboxes. What's the point of having a security mailbox if this lock is the weak point.
Such a nice video: Entertaining and informative :-) Thank you. Do I see it right, that after picking it, you can use the tubular tool to make a "key" for it and just turn it as you want? Like the tension wrench - very handy.
+Potti314 Thanks. You are correct. I wasn't very clear on this point, but after turning the core approximately 1/16 of a turn, you can use a normal tubular lock impressioning tool to mold the key and turn the core further (or decode the lock to cut a real key).
Maybe a marker for manufacturing showing this is 1st chamber? Other ideas aren't terrible either. Manufacturer probably touts it on their website if it's a feature, if not probably an in house mechanism.
could you pick it SPP, then when it's half way between sets, use the HUK to impression the pins? Would make it easier to turn it the rest of the way if the Huk was already set and just used as a "key"
Regarding the "tabular lock pick tool" (impression tool)... I had a similar situation with one of my safe locks... The impression didn't work. I just removed all rubber rings, inserted a tool, tensioned, and then just used each individual pin to "pick a lock". It took me a few days to "learn and feel it", but I opened it.
I have a cheap Hilka safe that has an electronic digital lock and tubular lock beneath. I bought my Southord tubular impressioning picks and got to work. Last night; i was getting absolutely nowhere!
Hi, I have a vintage Mi Co parking meter from the 40s or 50s the barrel lock has mx4 Ace in the center. Will this method open this meter up. Would love to have a key made for it. Great video 👍
None of the pins are magnetic under normal conditions for a lock. (All metals are magnetic under some conditions involving movement and/or electricity.) The copper pin is softer than the brass ones and might help the lock bind by melting during a drill or cutting attack.
if these are mounted in an awkward location these type of locks i would imagine would be a lot tougher to pick if you're not able to have them right on a bench in front of you.
What are you looking for in each pin sorry I’m a novice but I can open any lock but I have yet to be able to open even one tubular lock and I’m so frustrated I can’t even pick the transparent training lock that came with my 3 piece loom set which I think are useless and all three of my locksmith buddies have yet to open a single thing then too so I don’t feel that bad anyway please help
Question for anyone. What am i doing wrong?? I don’t have a tension handle like that I just use the classic L. Center of lick was turning correct way n all the pins should have been set. (They all clicked when I released. And before bottom of pins still had movement not bound up but the tops were set) but still nothing Solid video thanks for making it. I thought maybe it was that pin that prevents over lift but it’s just little plastic container that locks that was 6 bucks so I don’t think it’d have all that 🤷🏽♂️ so any advice?
Are these similar to chateau branded tubular locks? I have two of them I need removed and they charge 50 to remove from my storage locker! I got the storage keys stolen from my car including my weekend car keys. Which will cost a thousand to replace easily.
I was gifted a gun safe. I was provided the e-combo but inside the safe is a lockbox with a tubular lock and no tubular key available. I have tried using a HUK pick set to no avail. I would like to try the tension method but I don't have a tension tool. Where do I find a tension tool, like the one you use in your videos? Thanks
it looks like you eather new where the binding pins were on all the locks,or they were the cheapest locks ever. Were there not soft pins in any of them as you when around? It seamed like you got clicks out of most of them. I am still having a tuff time opening my locks,but i am working on the Kryptonite locks. I've open them a couple of times but it takes me a long time not 3 times around I'm talking about a half hour on one
I did not know where the binding pins were in advance... that why you feel them. The feel of a binding pin is not subtle. And if its taking significantly longer than 3-5 times around the lock, you need to increase your tension significantly. Good luck.
Dammit, ive got those tubular lock picks and have been trying to open my safe for 2 days with them. Lost my key and the batteries are dead... I don't remember the code either 😑
Here we go again. once you have slightly turned the plug, you will need a round tool with holes drilled in it and something that slides into the milled slot on the plug for turning. the holes correspond with the key pins. on the outside of the round piece each hole is drilled with a set screw to hold individual picks in place once you have set them to each pin. now you have a working key. I hope you understand this.
You are right, you have to pick the lock every 45 degrees. That 8 times for one full turn. I made my own pick that would pick it and turn it. I had the advantage of having a machine shop very close. That was a long time ago too. HPC I think makes a really good pick for round key locks. I used about eight or so rubber bands to keep my individual picks in place and keep tension on them. A lot of trial and error go into making one keeping the pick from moving is the hardest part.
Mr. LPL, I hope you see and respond to me. I would like to get my hands on one of those tube lock tensioners but I can’t find one on Covert Instruments. Can you direct me to where I can get one? Thank you
I had a customer bring 50 gumball machines with tubular locks in them to me that he wanted keyed alike. He had no keys and the locks had no codes printed on them. I used my tubular pick on one and made a key for it. It didn’t work in any of the other locks. Just great. I continued to pick the rest of the locks, took them out of the machines and repined them. Took me about 3 hours to finish. I hate tubular locks.
make a tubular pick similar to the tool they have with individual pins that lock in place with set screws that way each pin sets in place individually. that will make a tubular key for the ace two. have a nice day.
The tool he has (had, probably still has) works to do impressioning once the core is turned to the partial point he left it in. It just doesn't work without picking first because of the variable driver pins.
i tried this for about an hour using a tiny flat head to put tension on the part that turns and the digger part of fingernail clippers to press the little springs down. Didn't work lol, I failed..... My Handgun safe battery died and has a manual lock like these but I don't have the key anymore... I could get it if I had something that could put greater tension on the bolt that turns like what you have.
@LockPickingLawyer, I have a tube lock where it spun clockwise past the starting point and i can't get it to go back to use the key to unlock it. It won't budge pushing the pins in. What can i do to fix it?
@@omgitsjoetime I think that's the point. Softer metals don't drill, they melt and gum up tools. That's why the SAF U-lock has an aluminum block around the steel shaft.
Can they be impressioned after rotating, like you have done here, to open the rest of the way with the tool? Edit: I guess not with the different length drivers.
I have a 7 or 8 year old full tower case with similar lock (like you'd find in a storage unit lock, but smaller). Any ideas since Thermaltake does not make the case anymore and is not willing to do anything for me. Thanks for any suggestions. Its too much of a hassle to take to a locksmith.
@@BotUA-camvertification What is Termite? I got a lock picking kit from TRS tactical, with all the things (but not the instructional CD, and I was not able to do anything. Thanks for trying to help me, I really appreciate it. I will try to find out what Termite is.
I have a sentrysafe handpew style safe that has a finger print reader, a digital code or a tubular lock for access. Well.. it sat in storage forever, the internal battery died, and only god himself knows where the key went. Bought an impressioning tool to try and get into it. Didn’t work. Tried for hours over multiple weeks. Finally broke down and bought a tensioning tool and a pick. There is one pin 4:30 location, that is very low, kinda stiff and has barely 1mm worth of play to it. I think I found the copper pin… impressioning tool squished it (I’m a noob picker) not the best lock to learn on I guess. Not giving up quite yet. Going to continue trying to hand pick it but I have a feeling I’ll be drilling it out soon lol 🥲
+LOST FOUND I don't have much experience with these... I drilled straight into it. The bit got lodged in the pin, and the pin started spinning. When I pulled the bit out, the pin came with it.
i've never spp'd an ace II, but ive impressioned a ton of them, (using several different tools) it may take more wiggles than a kryptonite, but they were definitely doable.
yes sir i am certain and it has been many, in my exp. ace II's can be more difficult than Chinese brands or generics with the kryptonite(1st gen) being easiest of all. i've worn out seven pin picks and estimate the number of tubular locks ive opened with them to be in the high hundreds . that said i've been stopped by ace, chinese, generic and even kryptonite on occassion. maybe earlier aces didn't use varied stacks? i got most of my exp with these between the early 90's and early 00's. also those were all 3/8ths barrels, the impressioning tools you use (huk?) seem to be much smaller diameter, like the infamous bic pen thing.
yes sir. again, many ace II's, generics, chinese (like l.a.i.) & kryptonite (1st gen). from the early 90's to the early 00's. some examples of each have defied impressioning but the majority opened. some take a lot longer than others and sometimes you have to throw an extra rubber band on. maybe the varied stacks are a newer bandaid and weren't in the older ones? also all my tools were for 3/8ths in. keys (9.7mm?) never had a tool in 7.anything. thanks and cheers!
@@padlok1520 Which tubular impressioning tool (brand/model) fits the ACE II? The HUK 7.8 comes close to fitting, but it's a hair too small and won't go into the lock.
@@JOHNHOOK1966 all the original ace locks were very close to 9mm, (used to make keys out of .357 shells). so 7.8 won't do. i've had them in the past made by a-1 & maybe hpc & a few without names.
I love your videos very interesting question do you know where I can get keys for the cam lock or Tumblr lock that's 012 and 013 it could be A0012..A0013 number on lock is only three digits thank you for any help you can give
From what diagrams I see with a web search, 7-pin locks are merely missing one pin, and use the same 45-degree arrangement. Presumably the tool already has the 8th pick and slot, though it may not come installed. The tool itself doesn't look very complicated to disassemble and reassemble, and the image on the website looks like it comes with at least one spare pick. You should only have to loosen the collet to change out a pick. Just take your time so you don't let the other seven slip out, if that's even possible.
Bought the HUK. Couldn't pick a single lock with it. Spent 3 hours practicing. HUK didn't work. I'm certain I'm doing it wrong, however I've followed the directions. Didn't work. Help?
I have a gun safe with one of these. I had to cut a bolt that held the safe to the wall with a power saw. I think the vibration of the saw caused the lock to shift, JUST LIKE IN YOUR VIDEO!! (The saw seems to have picked the lock!) But how do I get it back? The key will not fit in now… I don’t know what to do! Maybe the Saw blade will work like Pool chocolate bar Net used!?! IMHO
+Jessica Twiss They can be made easily out of spring steel... of course, the easy way out is to buy one. Sparrows has a couple options. Sorry I can't be of more help. Improvised tools is not my forté.
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7y old video, so not much hope anyone reading this, but I just wanted to tell, that this kind of lock was my first ever pick! Customer had left Kensington cable hanging from his rental laptop, and of course the key was nowhere to be found. I do not have any tools, but I gave it a try with tweezers and paperclip :D took a while, but I managed to get it open! And yes, whole time LPL was whispering to my ear: "nothing on one, a little click on two...."
Im here i see you
Good work.
I see you Jarkkos
I rewatch all of LPL and McNally's videos
I see u bro. Quick question please, what tubular impressioning tool will work on the ace 2 tubular lock. I can't get a straight answer from anyone
I know this is old, but love coming back to it as a mini masterclass in 'how to'!... If only lock makers could bring themselves to watch it again and again too. 🤣
Many thanks, pure class.
P.S. Having seen that magnificent little tension tool I made a swift sketch and made myself one, for personal use. Your clear instruction and excellent detailed camera work is endlessly appreciated. Thank you.
The copper pin causes failure of the pin if anything other than the key is "forced" into the keyway it will deform and prevent that pin being set rendering the lock useless afterwards even with the key. Maleable materials found in these locks are for this reason. Also copper work hardens meaning it may start soft but gets harder the more its manipulates so it also can delay a forced rotation on the lock. Starts soft but ends hard.
First tubular lock I've seen that isn't vulnerable to the self-impressioning tool, and had to dug into your archives for this. It's a shame they don't vary spring tension and driver pins on most of these locks, if it's this easy to protect against an unskilled attack that takes two seconds IMO no lock that misses this step should be considered a lock at all. An obscure latch, maybe.
Where can a person pick up the tensioner you are using?
@@kennethfountain6153Sparrows Lock Picks out of Canada
There is the practice to mix different metals in a lock to prevent accessibility by pouring acid into the cylinder. By theory the bolts can be weakened until they break, but only if the used acid can attack every metal used. There where mixes with stainless steel, copper and a third one, maybe gold or silver. You could see the differences in the three colors. I saw them in scooter locks.
*The only consumer of acid is obviously you with such an ignoramus comment*
I'm the lockpicking lawyer and today, free snacks for everyone.
Hello, I’ve recently bought a caravan, which the previous owner has put a tubular lock on the door, . The grooves don’t line up and I cannot lock it, I was wondering if you could give me any help on this please? Thank you in anticipation, Philip,.
@@philipboehme3233 you do know that this is not the lockpicking lawyer right?
@@ashthetrash2109 lmao he took the comment seriously
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The tumbler locking pin can be removed by drilling a small shallow hole in it and threading a small screw into the hole until it catches then pull it out with needlenose pliers then it can be later reinstalled without damage.
You can use that tool on them locks. I use light tension and a stethoscope to hear the set (or not if you’re young). You retract them all and thumbset using those push ends they put on there for that reason. Bonus is once it is set you got a key. Bought several vending machines in my day keys not included and ace 2 locks are still standard on them.
Thank you for posting this. I lost my keys for my cheap Stack On gun cabinet, so I'm gonna give it a go without having the tools u used. Hope I get it open, cause I have a whole bunch of useless junk in there! My cabinet is the kind with two doors. A skinny one and a fatter one. Each has two locks, top and bottom. Got all day to fool with it.
Did you get it?
Possible explanation for the copper pin?:- it's soft, annealed copper which easily deforms/dents if excessive tension is applied during picking? Not an issue if a legit key is used but could be an issue if a heavy handed inexperienced picker were to attempt the lock. May also be a witness in that case.
Just my two cents 🤨
perhaps because it deteriorates faster, so you buy another one
It's a dollar fifty for your advice
I do agree in that since
The reason they have the reputation as being difficult to pick is precisely because they do not self-impression. The different material spring modification was specifically introduced to defeat the tubular self-impression. However, both the ACE and the ACE II have much tighter tolerances than many nasty tubular locks which again, makes them harder to pick.
The design to defeat self impressioning I get and appreciate... and the increased tolerances are nice. But these locks are still very easy to SPP... just crank up the tension to defeat the tapering on the pins, and these things pop open with ease.
@@lockpickinglawyer I think that a vast majority of people don't have a tubular tension wrench with them most of the time. And if they do it has to be picked 3 or 4 times. It's security through laziness.
@@lockpickinglawyer So a higher tension IS recommended. Ok, cool. I was afraid I was using too much, but the ACE 2 have is pretty old and very stiff. Is that normal?
@@lockpickinglawyer What I'd like to see discussed is if there is a drop in replacement for these types of locks that would make them harder to pick. It seems these locks require very little skill to unlock and I could see someone buying one of those tools and just around unlocking mailboxes. What's the point of having a security mailbox if this lock is the weak point.
Such a nice video: Entertaining and informative :-) Thank you.
Do I see it right, that after picking it, you can use the tubular tool to make a "key" for it and just turn it as you want?
Like the tension wrench - very handy.
+Potti314 Thanks. You are correct. I wasn't very clear on this point, but after turning the core approximately 1/16 of a turn, you can use a normal tubular lock impressioning tool to mold the key and turn the core further (or decode the lock to cut a real key).
So would this be done while you've still got it in that in between position and before you turn it and have to pick it again?
Asrtyulg Correct.
LockPickingLawyer Great video. Where Can i buy this tool to open tubular locks ??
Søren bangood.com mate
Fantastic Picking & Great Gutting Plus Explanation. Keep up the great work. Nick.
Thanks.
Maybe a marker for manufacturing showing this is 1st chamber? Other ideas aren't terrible either. Manufacturer probably touts it on their website if it's a feature, if not probably an in house mechanism.
great picking...you are a braver man than I am, gutting a tubular lock!
+Jeff Moss Thanks... taking apart is easy, getting it back together may be a different story. ;-)
could you pick it SPP, then when it's half way between sets, use the HUK to impression the pins? Would make it easier to turn it the rest of the way if the Huk was already set and just used as a "key"
Regarding the "tabular lock pick tool" (impression tool)... I had a similar situation with one of my safe locks... The impression didn't work. I just removed all rubber rings, inserted a tool, tensioned, and then just used each individual pin to "pick a lock". It took me a few days to "learn and feel it", but I opened it.
Where do you find the tension tool you were using. I have those kinds of locks on my candy machine and the impression tool won’t work
Sparrows "Goat Wrench", another collab pick with another youtuber.
@@herbert633 thanks
I have a cheap Hilka safe that has an electronic digital lock and tubular lock beneath. I bought my Southord tubular impressioning picks and got to work. Last night; i was getting absolutely nowhere!
Security of one's property is paramount today, and I thank you for your informative videos.
Shut up
Whoa, totally tubular, man!
Hi, I have a vintage Mi Co parking meter from the 40s or 50s the barrel lock has mx4 Ace in the center. Will this method open this meter up. Would love to have a key made for it. Great video 👍
the copper pin for magnetic attack maybe? or just to confuse? or maybe they ran out of brass? lol
None of the pins are magnetic under normal conditions for a lock. (All metals are magnetic under some conditions involving movement and/or electricity.) The copper pin is softer than the brass ones and might help the lock bind by melting during a drill or cutting attack.
if these are mounted in an awkward location these type of locks i would imagine would be a lot tougher to pick if you're not able to have them right on a bench in front of you.
What are you looking for in each pin sorry I’m a novice but I can open any lock but I have yet to be able to open even one tubular lock and I’m so frustrated I can’t even pick the transparent training lock that came with my 3 piece loom set which I think are useless and all three of my locksmith buddies have yet to open a single thing then too so I don’t feel that bad anyway please help
Question for anyone. What am i doing wrong?? I don’t have a tension handle like that I just use the classic L. Center of lick was turning correct way n all the pins should have been set. (They all clicked when I released. And before bottom of pins still had movement not bound up but the tops were set) but still nothing
Solid video thanks for making it. I thought maybe it was that pin that prevents over lift but it’s just little plastic container that locks that was 6 bucks so I don’t think it’d have all that 🤷🏽♂️ so any advice?
Great video! What pick set r u using in the video? I have a empty unit i need to open to get keys made. thanks again for the video. 😉😉
Thank you! That's a really nice tension tool. I just ordered it!
@Williams Williams it's sold on USALockPicks.com
Did you ever get it?
Are these similar to chateau branded tubular locks? I have two of them I need removed and they charge 50 to remove from my storage locker! I got the storage keys stolen from my car including my weekend car keys. Which will cost a thousand to replace easily.
Where can I get this pry bar?
I was gifted a gun safe. I was provided the e-combo but inside the safe is a lockbox with a tubular lock and no tubular key available. I have tried using a HUK pick set to no avail. I would like to try the tension method but I don't have a tension tool. Where do I find a tension tool, like the one you use in your videos? Thanks
Sparrows has one called the mantis
thank you for the info
it looks like you eather new where the binding pins were on all the locks,or they were the cheapest locks ever. Were there not soft pins in any of them as you when around? It seamed like you got clicks out of most of them. I am still having a tuff time opening my locks,but i am working on the Kryptonite locks. I've open them a couple of times but it takes me a long time not 3 times around I'm talking about a half hour on one
I did not know where the binding pins were in advance... that why you feel them. The feel of a binding pin is not subtle. And if its taking significantly longer than 3-5 times around the lock, you need to increase your tension significantly. Good luck.
Thanks
Thanks for helping me with this. Alot of storage units have these, easy pickin just in time for Christmas.
You and me both eh
I've been at this tubular lock I bought for about 5 hours now over the past few days. Easy my ass.
too much tension
Dammit, ive got those tubular lock picks and have been trying to open my safe for 2 days with them. Lost my key and the batteries are dead... I don't remember the code either 😑
The little slits are not match up on mine,but I don't know what to do to not break it.
Here we go again. once you have slightly turned the plug, you will need a round tool with holes drilled in it and something that slides into the milled slot on the plug for turning. the holes correspond with the key pins. on the outside of the round piece each hole is drilled with a set screw to hold individual picks in place once you have set them to each pin. now you have a working key. I hope you understand this.
You are right, you have to pick the lock every 45 degrees. That 8 times for one full turn. I made my own pick that would pick it and turn it. I had the advantage of having a machine shop very close. That was a long time ago too. HPC I think makes a really good pick for round key locks. I used about eight or so rubber bands to keep my individual picks in place and keep tension on them. A lot of trial and error go into making one keeping the pick from moving is the hardest part.
Good video. Had one a guy lost a key to and as a newbie it helped
I think the copper pin is copper because it not magnetically manipulated. So you could not use a magnet to move it. Same with springs as well
5:06- Copper and Stainless steel will have a reaction and the copper will corrode, I assume thats why the first pin is copper as well as its spring
Thats smart! Never even crossed my mind for that. I figured its non magnetic.
Mr. LPL, I hope you see and respond to me. I would like to get my hands on one of those tube lock tensioners but I can’t find one on Covert Instruments. Can you direct me to where I can get one? Thank you
I had a customer bring 50 gumball machines with tubular locks in them to me that he wanted keyed alike. He had no keys and the locks had no codes printed on them. I used my tubular pick on one and made a key for it. It didn’t work in any of the other locks. Just great. I continued to pick the rest of the locks, took them out of the machines and repined them. Took me about 3 hours to finish. I hate tubular locks.
I cant wait to get my tubular lock picks in my new Echelon set c:
make a tubular pick similar to the tool they have with individual pins that lock in place with set screws that way each pin sets in place individually. that will make a tubular key for the ace two. have a nice day.
The tool he has (had, probably still has) works to do impressioning once the core is turned to the partial point he left it in.
It just doesn't work without picking first because of the variable driver pins.
i tried this for about an hour using a tiny flat head to put tension on the part that turns and the digger part of fingernail clippers to press the little springs down. Didn't work lol, I failed..... My Handgun safe battery died and has a manual lock like these but I don't have the key anymore... I could get it if I had something that could put greater tension on the bolt that turns like what you have.
Dear LPL, I really would like to know how to get that tensionbar that you are using. Hopefully you can help me.
fascinating stuff, really helpful video thanks. definitely gonna be getting one of them!
+richardwales Thanks -- good luck with it. Let us know how you make out.
Did you pick it?
I'd love to know where to get that tensioner the one I got from sparrow it to big
My guess for the copper pin is something to do with it being non magnetic? I do no why or how it would matter, just taking a shot in the dark. Lol
I 100% agree!
@LockPickingLawyer, I have a tube lock where it spun clockwise past the starting point and i can't get it to go back to use the key to unlock it. It won't budge pushing the pins in. What can i do to fix it?
I might be late to the discussion, but could the copper pin be used to brick/jam the lock in case of a failed drill attack?
Erick Reyes copper is one of the softer metals..
@@omgitsjoetime I think that's the point. Softer metals don't drill, they melt and gum up tools. That's why the SAF U-lock has an aluminum block around the steel shaft.
I think the copper pin would make bumping the lock harder, weight difference in pins can make some attacks more difficult
Bumping a tubular lock?
Can they be impressioned after rotating, like you have done here, to open the rest of the way with the tool? Edit: I guess not with the different length drivers.
Is that a Reichtangle?
My safe won’t open with a lock only an eighth unlocked like he is showing. It needs to be at least half or it won’t open
I have a 7 or 8 year old full tower case with similar lock (like you'd find in a storage unit lock, but smaller). Any ideas since Thermaltake does not make the case anymore and is not willing to do anything for me. Thanks for any suggestions. Its too much of a hassle to take to a locksmith.
Thermite will get through it
@@BotUA-camvertification What is Termite? I got a lock picking kit from TRS tactical, with all the things (but not the instructional CD, and I was not able to do anything. Thanks for trying to help me, I really appreciate it. I will try to find out what Termite is.
Ah ha! Now I can get me some stuffed toys out of the claw machine! He, he, he!
locked myself in my house with very minimal equipment, being evicted soon and need to pick a lock like this, any tips??
Could the copper pin be to mitigate a sophisticated attack using magnets?
no, copper is non ferrous.
where did you get that tension wrench? I’ve been looking all over for that exact one, and am having no luck...
Sparrows has a couple styles you can get.
LPL replied in several other comments. USA Lockpicks.
I have a sentrysafe handpew style safe that has a finger print reader, a digital code or a tubular lock for access. Well.. it sat in storage forever, the internal battery died, and only god himself knows where the key went.
Bought an impressioning tool to try and get into it. Didn’t work. Tried for hours over multiple weeks. Finally broke down and bought a tensioning tool and a pick.
There is one pin 4:30 location, that is very low, kinda stiff and has barely 1mm worth of play to it.
I think I found the copper pin… impressioning tool squished it (I’m a noob picker) not the best lock to learn on I guess.
Not giving up quite yet. Going to continue trying to hand pick it but I have a feeling I’ll be drilling it out soon lol 🥲
I wanted to see the drilling out of the retaining pin. did you just use a drill bit stright into it or went off to the side?
+LOST FOUND I don't have much experience with these... I drilled straight into it. The bit got lodged in the pin, and the pin started spinning. When I pulled the bit out, the pin came with it.
i've never spp'd an ace II, but ive impressioned a ton of them, (using several different tools) it may take more wiggles than a kryptonite, but they were definitely doable.
That's surprising given what is inside. Are you sure it was an actual ACE II? The springs along should preclude that attack.
yes sir i am certain and it has been many, in my exp. ace II's can be more difficult than Chinese brands or generics with the kryptonite(1st gen) being easiest of all. i've worn out seven pin picks and estimate the number of tubular locks ive opened with them to be in the high hundreds . that said i've been stopped by ace, chinese, generic and even kryptonite on occassion. maybe earlier aces didn't use varied stacks? i got most of my exp with these between the early 90's and early 00's. also those were all 3/8ths barrels, the impressioning tools you use (huk?) seem to be much smaller diameter, like the infamous bic pen thing.
yes sir. again, many ace II's, generics, chinese (like l.a.i.) & kryptonite (1st gen). from the early 90's to the early 00's. some examples of each have defied impressioning but the majority opened. some take a lot longer than others and sometimes you have to throw an extra rubber band on. maybe the varied stacks are a newer bandaid and weren't in the older ones? also all my tools were for 3/8ths in. keys (9.7mm?) never had a tool in 7.anything. thanks and cheers!
@@padlok1520 Which tubular impressioning tool (brand/model) fits the ACE II? The HUK 7.8 comes close to fitting, but it's a hair too small and won't go into the lock.
@@JOHNHOOK1966 all the original ace locks were very close to 9mm, (used to make keys out of .357 shells). so 7.8 won't do. i've had them in the past made by a-1 & maybe hpc & a few without names.
I'm locksmith at california.
Over 20 years. Where you bought that tension tool?
It's great skill.
And how much is it ?
I’m sure there are others, but Sparrows has a couple styles. Look for the Sparrows GOAT tool
what is the name of the tension-er tool you used in the video? I have a tube lock on my Motorcycle and need to rekey the lock.
I love your videos very interesting question do you know where I can get keys for the cam lock or Tumblr lock that's 012 and 013 it could be A0012..A0013 number on lock is only three digits thank you for any help you can give
Have yet to see a tension wrench like that in the wild
Sparrows sells one called The Goat Wrench.
Mine doesn’t have the notch on the inner ring
I bet LPL has a huge stockpile of pop somewhere.
gran video. un tensor bastante bueno. ese tensor me hace falta. te hace el trabajo mas facil. bien echo. UN SALUDO
+adrian leon Gracias. La herramienta de tensión es de usalockpicks.com
Could I convince you to present a video demonstrating how to convert the COVERT TUBULAR LOCK PICK from 7-pin to 8-pin compatibility? Thank you.
From what diagrams I see with a web search, 7-pin locks are merely missing one pin, and use the same 45-degree arrangement. Presumably the tool already has the 8th pick and slot, though it may not come installed.
The tool itself doesn't look very complicated to disassemble and reassemble, and the image on the website looks like it comes with at least one spare pick. You should only have to loosen the collet to change out a pick. Just take your time so you don't let the other seven slip out, if that's even possible.
How to know if the lock I'm trying to open has variable spring tension?
Push on them. It’s not subtle. 👍
re:my last... I hate auto spell! My question was, "How much pressure on the tension wrench?"
Are there tubular locks without springs in them? Mine feels like there are none in there...and it's stuck
my gun safe ha as 2 notches in it, r they picked in a different way and use different picks? thanks again
I would like to purchase a tubular lock pick tools please.
Where can you find that tension tool? My ace ii lock is stuck halfway because i used the wrong key and had to break the key out
Bought the HUK. Couldn't pick a single lock with it. Spent 3 hours practicing. HUK didn't work. I'm certain I'm doing it wrong, however I've followed the directions. Didn't work. Help?
Can you pick a tubular lock that does not have a notch in the center of cylinder for tension??????
4 locks picked and gutted in 5 min video... nice!
how they close again you didn't mension.i would like to know
I close them the same way I open them... by picking.
Where did you get that tension wrench?
Butane and bumping probably when they first used butane on kryptonite bicycle locks copper won't deform under heat or cold as easily
Just a thought
How can you identify the type of tubular lock?
Great video!!!
+Boaz L Thanks.
LockPickingLawyer no problem :D
Hi, regarding the 7 pin tubular locks, what is the most common size of these locks (in the US) - 7.0, 7.5 or 7.8 mm?
+TheBugmenot2009 In my experience, 7.8 is the most common.
+LockPickingLawyer Ok, Thank you very much!
I have a gun safe with one of these. I had to cut a bolt that held the safe to the wall with a power saw. I think the vibration of the saw caused the lock to shift, JUST LIKE IN YOUR VIDEO!! (The saw seems to have picked the lock!)
But how do I get it back? The key will not fit in now… I don’t know what to do! Maybe the Saw blade will work like Pool chocolate bar Net used!?! IMHO
File the nub off your key. Then it doesn't block access.
Where can I find that type of tension tool?
How can I get a tension do you like that you have to open the luck
what can you use if you don't have the tools like you do
+Jessica Twiss They can be made easily out of spring steel... of course, the easy way out is to buy one. Sparrows has a couple options. Sorry I can't be of more help. Improvised tools is not my forté.
But how to go back in normal position
So what your saying is someone could pick this lock and leave it on a state where the key can't open it?
Where can I get one of those tension tools?
Probably Ebay..idk..
Interesting, you go round them counterclockwise. Any particular reason?
Do you find that it is more effective to pick in an order that is counter to the rotation of applied tension?
Nope... just force of habit. The other way works as well.
@@lockpickinglawyer thanks!
So if you had to buy one, are there any brands/ models more resistant than others?
Copper is way more soft than brass. Due to this, it would be hypothesize to bind and sheer off easier than brass pins.
U said if u to certain position u will need to repick then or something like that can explain better how avoid having to repick
Where does one obtain the torsion lever (correct name?) for these?
Can I replace my barrel cam locks with one that is harder to pick and harder to drill out?
@planningperson laidbackdeep i would just steal your safe