Model Railroad Update 64- Layout Tour
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2016
- This update is provided to give an overview of the layout, including the track plan, concepts and goals, and the particular decisions we made in the design of the layout. As we have many newer subscribers- many of whom will not have the time to watch the entire video series- this will will provide good background information on the layout.
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Hi Stephen, I just found your channel also and even if this video is 4-years old now i do have 3 ideas for you if you have not already done them or something different between then & now.
#1 The black area below your scenic backdrop behind your main yard, you could add mirrors to convey a larger yard area and add more depth.
#2 The drain section coming down from the garage above, you add 45-degree or rounded bevels to give the scenic backdrop a more even look & flow.
#3 Add some metal rods and some earth tone colored curtains below your bench work to hide all the clutter and help focus the view directly onto the layout itself.
Thanks for the tour Stephen. Now have an excellent overview of what you're up to. And we share a common philosophy about scenery to track ratio. Nicely done !! 👍
Stephen, that is one stupendous layout, i like your comment about having more room, you should come to England, a dozen people have to live in a room the size of your layout room, but seriously that is a fantastic layout, i hope mine, albeit in n scale looks half as nice when complete.
Yea buddy!!!!!! Your guys layout is one of my favorites. You guys are doing great work!!!! Keep it up!
Thanks, this video answered a lot of questions that had been building up over the previous 62 videos.
I have fallowed you for about 7 months on UA-cam. I really enjoy your work and the explanations that you give for things that you do. Also I have enjoyed your willingness to change the track plan and trackage when you find what you have is not what you really wanted. As I am just working on what will be my first real layout, I have found several of your ideas for different areas useful. I look forward to each new video that you produce.
I have one thought on your coal loading facility that you want for a lake ship. I am not familiar with you area, but Lake City, to me, would be an excellent place to make a coaling dock, and you would not have to make changes to Eugene yard to accommodate to coal loading.
Thanks, Glenn
Thanks for the tour. So well done and organized. Always impressed.
I've been following you guys since way back and I’m always impressed by how high you set the bar. Your attention to detail and obvious skill in such a wide variety of disciplines is amazing - from computer control to scenics, you guys ROCK! Your channel justifies You Tube all on its own! Best wishes and keep it up.
+bartoncessna1 Thank you very much. Our main goal with these videos is to help others, by showing both the good AND the bad (mistakes). Seeing others "goof up" is a good way to actually learn. We will keep trying to help everyone!
I like the layout. I also like that you have done the layout the way you want. I do agree with some of your opinions, such as double level layouts and hidden staging, but the hobby is big enough for all to do things the way they want. My layout is what I want and and I do change it from time to time.
I watch these videos because I like trains. I think that all of you that do this type of hobby are just amazing individuals. I just found your channel by accident and started watching how you were doing the work on the underpass and road.
I came across this video and am watching you explain first your vision of the layout, then your tour of the layout. What you are doing requires great talent and patience, which you have a great deal of.
I truly can not understand why anyone would give your efforts a thumbs down, other than just being a knuckle head. I hear you explaining or justifying your "mess", but you are working on the layout. So, it should be understood that it is a (work in progress). And even if it were completed, I am sure that you would still be doing some form of upgrading.
I want to thank you for first sharing your journey and for letting those of us that like to watch the progression of a project, be able to do so.
I think you for all your efforts and work.
Great looking layout... I agree with the scenic aspect and not filling every space with track.
Good Work..
I really like your layout and have been inspired to plan my future layout lol. I would love to see a video, whether it is a short or a long one on some ballast technique or tips, that would be helpful, thank you!
Great overview of the layout. Thanks for doing an up to date one.
23:24 Love the RE4/4 there 🙂
I loved the layout tour! I just realized why the background behind the industrial area looks so familiar... it looks uncannily like the former Lackawanna RR engine shops in Scranton, which are still visible from steam town.
Yes. And most of southwest Scranton is also visible. That photo is defiantly from on the walkway to the mall.
Steven: Pittsfield area needs the Housatonic River running next to it so you can model the pollution caused by GE Transformers back in the old days. They are still working out how to mediate all the damage done...
That would be a challenge to model transformer damage but if anybody could do it this guy could. He is good!
Rob Miller --I enjoyed the video 64 which caused me to look back to update 13. When I originally watched update 13, I ordered the computer power system so I could copy your power system. After getting the power pack for $18.00, I thought I had a good deal. Plugged it in, and no power. I thought I had a dud. After watching update 64, I rewatched up date 13. This time I was more observant, I saw the green wire attached to one of the ground wires. After looking at my power box for at least eigh months, I put the green wire with a ground wire and I finely had the electrical power I was looking for. I guess some of us are a little slower than others. Enjoy your videos and wait for your weekly update and product reviews.
Looks great. You have come a long way from update 1!
I would move the Autoracks to the back and make it a car unloading facility. Lot of work in switching out the Auto racks. Make sure you have the 3 and 2 level are racks back to back with like auto racks. make sure door direction is the same. Maybe the back track for holding the racks and you have to move 3 at a time out to the unloading track then return them as Mty's to the holding track or push them out to another track. Have a dealership call order so some cars might be in higher demand and need to be unload 1st etc.
Layout is looking great cheers. Andrew
+chumbo 79 how you do mate . great layout ae
Brilliant Video Their. I Really Enjoyed it :)
Thanks for the Tour
Enjoying all your scenic modelling, particularly the recent much weathered underpass. There are lots of lift out/hinged section solutions, but one I've been most impressed by of late was done by "csxmad" - you should check it out. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
nice layout. to put in a swing out section the best way to do it is cut out 2 45 degree angles on on the bridge and on on the bench work just left of the door for a eazy transition
Awesome layout cheers Kevin
Very nice layout!
Great progress on your layout. 2nd guessing our, your, decisions is just a fact of life....I'm sure you know this. On another note. what does that little sign over the underpass say?......Inquiring minds want to know!!!! LOL! I'm sure you're curiosity is bouncing around about it too. Again. great work!
+DeadBeacon I know- I do need to get out there and "see"...with recent travel and bad weather this weekend it was decided to stay home and work the bridge and layout. Soon...
THANKS VIDEO GOOD LUCK NEW LAYOUT
Just for anyone that's curious with regard to how much power you can put through a light switch (He seems to indicate that's a concern). The cheap switches are rated at 120 Volts at 15 Amperes in the U.S. 120V * 15A = 1,800 Watts. I'm guessing around 14.5 Volts on the track for HO (although, given the bi-modal, PWM nature of DCC, the measurement of actual DC voltage would be inaccurate. Still this figure works for our purposes). 1,800 W / 14.5 V = ~125 Amps. You'd have to be drawing 125A at 14.5V to overload that light switch. Not going to happen. :) Carry on.
Excellent layout very nice. Be careful with the curves close to the end of your spurs like that one by the arch underpass. Curves near the end of a spur, I have found, make it a nightmare to couple to cars, especially longer ones
If you just build a second shelf level above the existing tracks, you can double the size of the layout.
Really enjoyed viewing the track plan in detail before seeing the actual layout tour. It made it very easy to understand your concept. I agree with your philosophy to not fill every nook and cranny with track, but keep long stretches with scenery only. But like you said "everyone has their own idea of a model railroad".
I have just got back into the hobby here in the UK and found your layout. I must say you have a really nice track to scenery ratio going on here I am not a fan of cramming track into every bit of board !
lookin' good!
Not liking double decks, a helix, spaghetti bowl of track,etc. I under stand. It's not for everybody. That is another great aspect of our hobby. You build what you like. That makes everyone's layout so different and unique. Keep up the great work.
In your big farm scene, you should have a custom cutting crew cutting wheat or corn depending on the time frame that you're modeling? Or farmer planting a crop? Nice semi big layout1
The layout's really progressing, isn't it? When you were showing us the bench work construction I couldn't get my head around it properly, but now it's a lot clearer. I'm with you on the single level layout issue. I can see many benefits to having a helix or whatever, but personally I just don't really want that kind of layout. I am, if I'm honest, guilty of having a little too much track laid, but I have very limited space and after considering various factors I decided to go for a city switching yard layout with surrounding industries that can be worked mostly without having to venture on to the mainline. I have nowhere near the skill and experience that you have, but I've learned a lot from watching videos of yours and other experienced modellers. I think yours is one of my favourite YT channels. You explain things well, even if some subjects are way beyond me (my grasp of electronics for example is somewhat minimal), and your dedication to detail gives me something to aspire to. I probably won't ever achieve your standard, but I'm sure I'm improving slowly................keep'em coming................David(UK)
+MrChoochoo Thank you David. I certainly understand the need for more track/buildings in a smaller space, especially if a switching layout. We are lucky to have a fair amount of space, and our particular concept is one of open space with more scenery- but we do have to fight the urge to add more track! It is natural thing for us model railroaders.
Rob Bennett Oh good, I thought it might just be me....lol.......David(UK)
Rob: Thanks for the link to this and the other layout tour. I now see that the layout is proto-freelanced with you trying to be true to the spirit of the prototype(s), but clearly not trying to replicate real places verbatim. I myself lean more towards prototype replication as much as possible, but each layout builder should do what they want. I too favor a higher ratio of scenery to track, and you have done an outstanding job of balancing the two. As far as staging, I am somewhat of a trackplan amateur-professional, if that makes any sense. I have designed layout for a number of friends and have been published in the Layout Design Journal associated with the NMRA SIG of the same name. I'm going to study your plan and try to come up with a way to have hidden staging, even though I know you probably have no intention of making such major changes to the railroad. Just a mental exercise. I'm positive it would involve staging being on a lower level but hidden for the most part. Not really a double-decked plan, but as your existing plan demonstrates, compromises are always necessary.
Mike- Thanks, and I'd love to see any ideas for hidden staging! I, for sure, am NOT a trackplan pro by any means and welcome any help you can offer. I did what I could with the somewhat odd shape of the room, and just could not come up with a way to get into/out of a hidden yard under the current Eugene yard. Plus I wanted to keep it double track, 32" + radius, and have the"town" locations and other CP's we wanted to include. Oh, and use #8 turnouts as well!
I never say never, and if a good plan can be devised I am certainly interested! Thanks again Mike!
My first thought was like yours...a staging yard under Eugene Yard. Like you, I could not figure out a way to make it work. Then it hit me. You already have a small staging yard in your workshop. What if you break the mainline between Lake City and CP-97 and route the tracks into the workshop and extend the existing yard benchwork to the far wall. You would obviously have to move some of the modelling supplies you have stored along that wall, but a full staging yard should be able to fit there. There may be some issue with access into the layout room, but I can't tell from the trackplan or videos how much of a problem this would be. The staging yard would be a shotgun yard. Anything entering the yard would have to be re-staged by hand or backed over the entire mainline between operating sessions to get the locomotives to the front of the stored trains. This is not ideal, but in my humble opinion it's better than having no staging at all. What do you think?
That is interesting. My original plan had the layout going into that area, but I decided I would rather have a larger workshop area as to me that is just as important as the layout. I like a comfortable, organized area in which to work. There would be a door to deal with, which enters into the work shop area. I had considered something similar to your idea, by extending the branch line staging to allow longer trains to come on/off at Wallace Junction. There may be a (remote..) possibility of using the current TV room as staging. But I still struggle, as staging a 20 car autorack trains eats up a lot of room!
There is no question that a staging yard in the workshop would require a considerable amount of reworking the wall storage you have there. A yard there should be high enough over the work table that you could continue to use it as is. You are right, though, that you would not be able to stage really long trains in there. I also looked at the TV room, but it appears to me that it might require going through the mechanical room. Since your room plan did not include any detail about what's in there, I was hesitant to even suggest it. It also appears that using the TV room would require moving that treadmill (again) or demolishing that closets on the other side of the room. Finally, I'm not sure you the room in there for a longer staging yard than you would have in the shop. From what I can see, none of the options are ideal, but in my opinion, some staging is better than no staging.
I would like to see a train runby video! Just make sure you run the Up sd70ace lead the intermodal train and put some NS intermodal trains too if you can.
Very nice concept and coming along nicely. Where did you get your backdrop from?
Thanks.
Bob - Ohio
There's something interesting I observed looking at your track plan...
Your basement is about the same overall size as mine, but divided up in the reverse proportions. You have a small family room with the rest of the basement devoted to your hobby. I have a small train room (which includes my workshop and storage for a lot of things besides hobby supplies) with the rest of the space devoted to the family. This is despite me building and moving into the house several years before the rest of the family arrived. How did that happen?
At 20:28 you can leave the backdrop alone and put a building front in place of that Styrofoam. it will hide your farm field. it could be like an extension of your steel mill.
I really love that bridge your putting together and im in need of a long double track bridge but im afraid i wouldnt be able to put it together right.
+Matt Jenkins (vwgolfer187) Matt- you certainly could! You just need to take your time and follow the instructions. I am sure you would make a good looking bridge. And you have my video to see all the mistakes to avoid! Also, Central Valley has a good assembly video series for their single track bridge, which is very similar to the double track one. Or, I believe Walthers just released a new dbl trk bridge, high enough for double stacks.
Remember- the only person who has never made a mistake is the person who has not tried anything...
Thanks Rob
I like the Swiss RE 4/4 in the staging! :)
+RoaringEngines Indeed- and the 6/6 sitting in the factory area? We have an affection for the SBB so have a fair amount of Swiss (and German) items. Love their horns!
For sure, that one's great too! And if I'm no mistaken, they're HAG? Judging from the box I saw.
Very very nice. Could you please tell me who you dealt with for your background photos, Thanks
That one side track in lake city that you dont really have a idea to do with yet, how about and Old Abandon sidin thats no longer used and is all growed up and stuff, just a suggestion man, but love the lay out and ur scenery is awesome
+Cummins Boy Actually did consider that, as that is the exact situation with the prototype. Maybe...
how about at the main door hinge up access to the layout room.you can keep it as wide as you want.just hinge up one end.
It would be great to see an operation session
May I ask where did you get your industrial backdrops.
you are doing a nice job I need some help trying to find a place where I can get some resistors do you know a place
Layout is looking super. Any plans on adding a Roundhouse and turn table?
+Alebear Not at this time, since we changed eras and are now modeling the modern time period. It's a shame, as I have a very detailed roundhouse I built for the last layout, and a small (Roco) turntable!
What area are you going to scenic next? I would love to see the buildings being built for LK City.
+Curtis Westsail Worked the peninsula (first layer) last night! The buildings (many) for Lake City will be scratch built, so may take a little time. I can't seem to get the darn double track bridge done, and that is a kit! :-)
That bridge looks complicated but it will be rewarding in the end. Thanks for the great vids.
Great layout! What signal rules/aspects do you use?
+Milepost 282 Productions We are loosely following speed signalling CSX practice, as we observe it on the actual CSX here in NW PA. We need to tweak it a bit, as I am not sure we are 100% accurate, but that is easily done in the program. We especially like the red over flashing green aspects.
Stephen Bennett Limited clear... Yeah, the flashing is cool. :D There are a few spots that need a second head, but other than that it looks really good.
Not bad, but I think you could have gotten much more from your space. You will be sorry you didn't include switch leads and longer working trks at your industries. But it should still work, Have fun.
what program do you use to make the video of you monitor?
+IMRROcom It is called Debut Professional by NCH Software.
Hey Rob, what is the overall size of your layout?
What did you use to make your track plan?
+bob _732 3rd Planit software.
ok thanks, is it free?
I can hear dearth Vader lmfao.
Stephen was that a Swiss red Re44 I spotted in Eugene
+Guido Tamburrini Indeed it is! Also an Re 6/6 over in Pittsfield. We have an affection for the Swiss (and German) stuff as well as the modern US items.
Good to know that Stephen over here in the UK European outline is a bit ignored . Imyself collect Scandinavian German and Austrian models
instead of a swing did you ever consider a lift up
+AIRSOFTTANK1 We did- but since we wanted to keep the section the same width as the layout I didn't think such a large lift up would work well. Ugh, I am still struggling with how to accomplish this!
Great layout Stephen. For the entrance section, I would recommend a vid from a gent called csxmad
ua-cam.com/video/QmYSca_s63M/v-deo.html This is a nice swing gate.
I have spent months researching diy railroad layouts and found a fantastic resource at Jareks hobby club (google it if you are interested)