2008 EZGO RXV, 48 Volt Electric - Electric Brake Failure JUNK!
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My wife has a Ezgo RXV , it's been through two sets of tires and just now started making brake noises , I put a new $ 150. motor brake on , which took all of 15 minutes , I'll take that over a traditional brake job any day .
I still prefer the drum brakes. When they work correctly, they rarely fail. EZGO didn't make accessing the brakes a simple thing compared to Club Car and Yamaha.
It’s a lock down parking brake. That’s it. It’s much more superior than drum brakes. Because you lack the proper tools to do a job you cry about the science and tech. I love that I can pull my key out and my Bluetooth settings on my controller will allow no one to take my cart at restaurant or store. I have a 2five so I have additional backups but I also have had several RXVs. Best cart on the market.
Still junk. Drums are far superior. RXVs are junk carts. EZGo dealers have told me the same thing. Locking out the controller isn't exclusive to EZGo.
My brakes blew today, started smelling something burning, I didn’t think anything of it because there was construction around my area. Eventually the cart started slowing down and all power was lost, and I was stranded in the middle of the road. I had to call my golf cart mechanic to come and check it out. We ended up changing the E-break in the middle of the road and cost me 550$. These Ez-Go breaks are really ridiculous.
Thank you very much for the video I think I can help you out a little bit. Underneath the seat and under the toe twitch their are 2 red plugs marked 1, 2 and 3, 4. If you unplug them and replug in #4 into #1 it will release the regen break without removing it. At least then you can move it freely but you still won't be able to stop it.
This is exactly my biggest problem with this brake. Apply power to disengage it and now you have no brakes! Nothing will convince me that this type of braking system is better than drums. This is a stupid design. This cart would not move even when power was applied directly to the brake manually.
not being able to unlock it is so dumb, i just bought 9 of these , 7 have the release lever and 2 dont
Thank you. Learned a lot. Mine froze up unexpectedly, very glad it was at home in the garage when it did!
This might be our problem as well 2009 EZGO RXV with 48v Lithium, We were riding around full speed yesterday and all of a sudden it started to slow down and we could smell what we thought was burning wire/electrical.
we stopped lifted the seat and I checked all the wires, nothing was hot to the touch and the small was not coming from directly under the seat, I also checked the ignition key and it was all good. the more I think about it and watched this video, I think I fried my E-Brake.
Did this correct your issue? I've got one doing the same thing here.
@@triagegarage4379 I got the new brake but have not installed it. but I am 99.9% sure it is the E-Brake. when I drive even a bit, I can smell the brakes and if I stop and reach under the e-brake is to hot to touch.
some time about a month ago when I posted it seized up, probably around the time I started to drive fast after the lithium upgrade and also I was told not to slam the brakes on all the time as this might lead to the problem.
@@TexasCanuck fixed mine! We are back rolling
@@triagegarage4379 this long weekend, I will be in the shop swapping mine out looks pretty straightforward.
This is why I like Club Car. Their designs make sense. Example, they still use drum brakes. That electric brake is probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen on a golf cart. Keep up the great work with these videos!
I couldn't agree more! Drum brakes are a simple, reliable way to stop a golf cart. Leave it to EZGO to over complicate something. The main braking is done by the electric motor by way of regen braking. This brake is a parking brake but also kicks in if you mash the brake pedal to the floor. Its so stupid. There are plenty of articles online about people driving and this brake just fails and locks up while driving.
Club cars used to be pretty easy to work on but the new ones are terrible, especially the igniter is now in the coil?I called up club card and ask how it was done? They said it’s a two-man job and they drop the suspension engine as an assembly, then remove the exhaust to get to the coil where The igniter is now inside of the coil hundred dollars an hour five hour job at the dealership $200 part? So I try to do preventative maintenance on golf carts rather than curative, tired of this new shit🤨🤨🤨🤨
I have a 2013 ezgo rxv and I had the same problem! The electric brake is nothing but junk and all out stupid design. Everything else about the cart I love. So I lifted mine about 8 inches, 24 inch tires, custom 4 link suspension," getting rid of the leaf springs" and added the hydraulic disc brake kit. I have the navitas controller so I adjusted the voltage on my new electric brake so it doesn't activate at all when I apply the brakes. I only use the motor brake as a parking brake. I highly suggest these mods. Now I wouldn't trade my ezgo for anything 👍🏻
Great Video, just picked up a 2009 RXV. Ran great for 2 rounds then got back in it after last hole and wouldn’t move. The old motor brake has a lever you would push down to release the brake and move the cart. After installing the brake Like the one you did still Doesn’t move and brake will not release. Love the cart but now with I would have bought the Yamaha
Textron has done the same stupid thing on our newer $40,000 mowers. When they came out they had 2 plugs on the flat side of the brake. To move the mower you had to remove the 2 plugs and put 2 screws into the holes and tighten them, this would release the brake disc. But now when you need to replace the brake, the new assembly no longer has the threaded holes enabling you to move the mower.
Thanks I learned a lot. My cart has locked up three times, the last time about half a mile from home. This time the service guy told me the brake wasn't releasing becuase the gas pedal wasn't returning far enough. That was a $526 repair - now I'll carry a 10mm wrench and tow it home. You mentioned in the video that you used a 24v jump cable to energize the brake - is that correct on a 48v cart?
I need to know where to get the plug with gator clips at
Yep all pulling this shit !!! Club car ingniter used to Be somewhat easy?? Now it’s inside the coil, I called club car and ask him how to do that? They said it was a two-man job ,they have a special jig? to remove the rear end and suspension as an assembly, then remove the exhaust system and the fan shroud to get to the coil, hundred dollars an hour five hour job couple hundred for the coiled ,I can’t work on this new shit.
I'm pretty sure this breake is only used to lock up the motor once it is parked. My understanding is the motor is what is actually used as the brake. These brakes are only a parking brake I'm almost positive this from when I talk to a technical advisor at E-Z-GO. These do not do any breaking of any sort they don't slow the cart down. When you hit the brake pedal what happens is power is back fed into the motor almost like putting it into reverse slowly and that resistance in the motor is what creates the vehicle slowing down it's part of the regenerative braking.
Yes, its a parking brake, not a service brake. Its still a junk system. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drum brakes, but some overpaid engineer thought this was better.
The motor brake is for parking only? The RXV brakes is regen from the motor?
I feel your pain but please read why I feel the reason behind this design.
Since I bought a used RXV I've had the break lock up or it was dragging only once when I hard braked but when i put it in reverse it unlocked.
So as I have done research I've learned to keep the emergency braking or hard braking to a minimum and it reduces the chances of this happening.
But I truly believe the reason why they did this and if you watch one of their videos you will learn that the reason behind this this design was more for the golf courses then it is for the private owner.
There has been instances where people has not put the parking on the golf cart and it has rolled down hill.
By installing a automatic electric braking system this prevents these issues from happening and possibly or even most likely reduces the insurance cost on the golf carts since it practically eliminates any chance of runaway carts.
PS most golf courses but not all when buying new golf carts only keeping them for a short while so therefore there is no need for the manufacturer to make a brake that last a long time. 😜😠 Sucks doesn't it.
Not “the dumbest idea ever”. Definitely a pain in the ass, but if you own a golf course having an AC drive motor is big for liability. No parking brake to worry about.
Also, there is 4 connectors under the computer plastic cover you can disable the brake very simply.
I have no problem with the AC motor and controller. The electric brake is where my problem is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drum brakes. EZGO really needs to redesign their parking brake mechanism on the pedal instead of installing this crap.
They did the same on our everyday auto. Should have left the old reliable drums on the rear.
Drum brakes suck.
I think the brake system on EZ GO golf carts are great. All you have to do to release the brakes is connect two connectors together 1&3 under the control box cover.
It literally takes less than a minute to do.
I disagree. Properly functioning drum brakes will work whether or not the battery pack is dead or fully charged. If the battery pack is completely dead, you cannot release this brake without removing it. You have no way to control and stop the cart. This electric brake is a terrible design.
I learned this the hard way. Tried towing mine with the tow switch and neutral...it rolled for around 30 yards then locked up the back tires and literally flipped vertically. Shot the motor backward and wow we have a mess on our hands. Wish I would have known this before purchasing. Garbage.
This is such a crap design. I'd rather have drums over this crap!
Ok you made it clear you don’t like the electric brake but can’t you flip the two switch under the seat and out key in neutral and it will roll? But once they go you replace like drum brake and then it’s good for a few years ?just saying
No. This brake failed completely. Tow mode with key in neutral did not allow the cart to roll. The brake would not release at all. Drum brakes last 20+ years. This brake is just stupid.
I didn't even know these things didn't have drums. This is dumbest design idea I've ever heard. I agree with you kevin!
I replaced the motor brake thinking that was my problem but it turns out I am getting no voltage to the motor brake. Any ideas?
I’m with you Kevin… 2009 EZGO RXV … And nothing I do will unlock the breaks … Please tell me how you got that alligator clip device… Looks like it plugs right into the motor brake connector… Please tell me how I can get one - Steve
I'm able to get it from Red Hawk since I'm a dealer. You may be able to find them online or make your own. I'm not sure what the name of the plug is, but the brake only needs 24 volts to energize.
What is Regen brakes?
Is there a link for the motor brake?
Why would the brake release in tow, but not in run? Installed new pedal, batteries are charged, but nothing when I hit the gas.
These carts are designed to use the electric brake as its parking brake and service brake. When in tow mode, it releases the brake so you can freely move the cart manually. If its not releasing in Run mode, your controller may have failed. The controller is responsible for handling all of the inputs and outputs of the various electrical components. Its just like a modern car or truck, everything is run by computers.
I agree what a bull$hit design. I recently bought a 2023 Kodiak Apex electric cart with dual 51.2 volt batteries 105 AH each. The batteries are Eco lithium. The cart has the Navitas Controller and I have the cellphone app to adjust some settings. The problem I’m having is I’ll be driving the cart at approximately 25-27 mph and all of a sudden it locks up and comes to a screeching halt, IN TRAFFIC, not a good feeling when cars behind me have to lock up on their brakes. This has happened on 3 separate occasions always when I’m at 25 mph or above. This is definitely a dangerous safety issue. I’m not sure how to disconnect it electric braking system, I don’t need it because the cart has disc brakes, it’s only purpose is to stop the cart from rolling when it’s parked. Terrible design
The main brake that locks up your cart where you can not do anything with it. I would guess they engineers who designed the brake thought that if the power failed it is better to stop the cart rather than having it freewheel. I still favor drum brakes.
The issue is when this brake fails while driving the cart. If you were driving down hill with passengers and this brake locks up the rear axle, you could potentially get hurt. Its such a terrible design. Drum brakes are much safer, reliable and much more simple.
Can I simply disable the regenerative braking floor going down hills?
When putting a new brake on the rxv what are the steps ? Bought mine used and it went out I got a new one on the way!
Chalk that one up to those genius engineers. No cars use throttle cables anymore either all electronic. Luckily they aren't dumb enough to do that for the brake system. Knowing this I will never buy a golf cart with that type of braking system.
I get the drive by wire throttle system, it works great for that. It should never be used for braking, EVER.
My problem is I burn one of these out about once a month. I even upgraded to the heave duty one and still burned it out and it has to be replaced. These things are not cheap. What do I need to do to stop them from burning out?
Unfortunately, I don't really know. Other than getting rid of the cart and get a different brand, I've not come across this issue since this cart. Most people that own these that I've spoken with have sold them for another brand. If you have an 2009, its possible there is a problem with the controller causing overcurrent to the brake.
If look at the brake you took off there is a lever you can move to disengage the brake and you can disengage it to different levels of braking from free wheeling to 50 or 70 or what ever amount of brake you want so you are wrong if you have zero power you can disengage the brake
Nope, this one was completely seized.
Agree with the drum brake. Did you put it in tow and then switch the plugs underneath 4/3 1/2 to 1/4 2/3 ?
the 2008 rxv dont have those plugs
and its 1 to 3
I have the same cart and even same color. I agree with you 100%. I've had more trouble with this cart , and I bought it new, than I ever had in my old 36 volt e z go that I bought used. It also had way more torque but less speed. This newer carts front end will also come off the ground on a steep hill. All the weight is in the rear. Mine is in the shop now with the brake dragging the motor down while I'm trying to cruise down the road. Third time this has happened since I bought it. Oh......and I dont play golf. Just use it to run around the neighborhood and doing yard work. I feel your pain! Lol
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These are ac powered and have much more power in general. Speed is set by a controller. RXVs are one of the easiest 30mph carts out there. If you got one of the originals, they had issues with this brake and the wiring harness. Not a problem anymore.
Not sure if this is a stupid question or not but can you put disc brakes on this cart?
I depends on if there's an available aftermarket kit. Carts must be lifted and use larger wheels to allow for the larger brake system. Jake's makes a kit that fits most makes and models.
Kevin, I agree on the brake issue. Our RXV was given to us by group at a American Legion Post for my son that's in a wheel chair and loves riding in the cart. Will the cart move with the brake off or does it need to be connected to get power to the motor? I am thinking about adding a Disc kit.
No the cart wont move with the brake off the cart
The cart will move if the brake is removed, but not under its own power. The controller must see that the brake is connected.
You can unlock the brackets by unplugging them, and reversing the plug for one. And the brakes are designed to automatically engage on a incline. So there is no need to ever lock the pedal. Before you start slamming a product do some research, the brakes actually do what they are designed to do. Cheers
It's still a stupid design. Drum brakes work and are very easy to maintain. This is just a plain old stupid idea.
@@Kevinsgolfcarts we used to run leaded gas, now we all run unleaded. Grow up homie
Yeah, leaded gas was great until it gave everybody cancer. It's still not going to change the fact that drum brakes rarely fail and will never fail in the same manner that these do. How exactly do I need to grow up? Like you, I'm entitled to my opinion. If you don't like what I have to say, go watch something else.
@@Kevinsgolfcarts it’s all about hookers and cocaine
@@Kevinsgolfcarts 100% agree
Why did the brake fail? Can you help me with that -
These systems usually fail in one of two ways, open-circuit or short-circuit. in either case, they are 100% dead and need to be replaced.
I totally agree
It's probablt cheaper I'm sure, but I can't belive EZGO went that way.
Great rant
Yep...its a "stupid" idea.😂 i feel it....
I have had to replace my brake 3 times now! I have seen bypass plugs, have you seen these and is it possible to use? Mine seem to fail if it ever gets wet
Did you ever find a bypass plug ?
hey guys. Anyone here know a guy that has one of the Danaher handsets that would be willing to shoot me the wiring diagram at the serial port plug at the base of the handset? My girls yanked my wires out...
Hey Kevin I have a question for you I believe this just happened to me tonight and of course my daughter had the damn thing out riding around with her girlfriends at almost midnight. I can still drive it but as soon as I let off the gas it comes to a screeching halt. Can't put it in tow mode even by the switch do you think this is the problem? Brake failure? One more question also, I left it in a friend's driveway because I didn't want to do any more damage so should I attempt to drive it back to my house in the neighborhood or is that going to tear something else up in the process?
Did you ever get this resolved? Mine is doing the same thing after replacing motor break
In all fairness, they had good intent. Apparently there was an unacceptable percentage of idiots parking on a hill, walking round back to get the old 9 iron and having forgotten to set the parking brake....splat.
Also, as ridiculous as it seems, if you didn't follow the procedure, it WILL fail again. This kept happening to me until I insisted on them giving me a new brake to change myself....three years ago.
I completely understand the intent. Its a similar reason why they designed the anti-tamper device around the carburetor, People wanted more speed so they would make adjustments outside of the recommended specs. It still does not beat good ol' drum brakes. They almost never fail. If this brake fails and has to be removed, you lose ALL braking.
Kevin what are the symptoms of a bad brake . Whats a good way to bench test a brake ?
From what I've seen, it usaully just fails. If you apply at least 24 volts to it, it should disengage. There aren't too many of these carts coming into the shop anymore. Most people around here have started getting rid of them.
I agree. Who the F thought that was a good idea????
Just wait till you see the PowerWise QE charger that is supplied with these cars. Unrepairable disposable junk. A fleet of brand new rxvs and half the chargers are bad out of the box
Awesome, more junk for the scrap yard.
Yes, absolutely stupid! Had to remove the brake and tow the cart to my house with no brakes! Wound up in a neighbor’s yard. Terrible design.
Where did you get the replacement brake at?
It's a RHOX part. I'm a RHOX dealer.
I understand. Thank you!
Kevin you won me over with the gumout carb cleaner just purchased one of these golf carts at an estate sale and I can say.... this is a horrible design! this is my first golf cart but I've worked on everything that's got wheels or tracks on it for the last 40 odd years and whoever got away with this should be run out of the business. 👍🇺🇸
PS love the video though....LOL
Gumout is good stuff. I like the powerful spray in the cans I get. It seems the EZGO design team was asleep at the wheel when designing these newer carts. Thanks for watching!!
The hub you replaced is not a "rolling stop break" it's the electronic hill break. But I agree it's over engineering at it's best. Some D bag came up with this design to fatten up his " No common sense portfolios". I love your videos. Keep them coming. Take it easy brother.
Yeah I understand that. It still doesn't change the fact that its stupid, in my opinion. I completely agree with you on it tho. I have this very cart in my shop now with a blown controller. Because of this stupid brake system, Its a project in and of itself just to move this around. I wish I could crust this cart with my excavator.
So there is no rebuild kit for these things?
There are no rebuild kits available for the electric brakes. They are a non-serviceable unit.
@@Kevinsgolfcarts Man that makes ZERO sense, especially something so easily disassembled
Just noticed you didn't use factory. I live in Costa Rica and they want $790 for a factory assy AND I have to prepay and wait a month. Recommend any other brands?
Its a stupid brake system anyway, IMO.
I'm a Red Hawk dealer and I get most of my parts from them. You'd have to find a place in your region that offers aftermarket.
if you take the brake assembly out as you have will the rear end unlock so it can be towed? thank you. Mine won’t unlock doing any of the procedures stated on forums. I just want to be able to move it.
If you can get the 10mm bolts out, the brake should come right off. Keep in mind, the cart will have no way of stopping once you remove the electric brake.
That's why I bought a 2018 Club Car Precedent!
Hahaha, I saw my brake disk
Agreed
Buddy, I'm totally with you.
I just want to throw in a large 1 inch pivot drag rod . I do offer a chain and a anchor. Seen 4 this year. I feel better after wanting cuss out the engineers.lol Just knowing I'm not the only one whom feels it's a shit design.
I agree totally with you motor brake is useless.
I could see it being useful as a.... No, i can't see it being useful at anything. Way over engineered. RXVs are all junk, gas and electric.
My golf cart died at a 4 way and yes I’m pissed
agree totally. I had to make TWO trips to a customer on the golf course. he had a battery wire broken from the battery stud. couldn't tow the cart so needed to get another wire. What a P.O.S. !!!
Wow. Dont hold back. Tell.us how you feel. Lol. I agree 100%
Haha, I had to cut a lot out of the rant part. It was over 20 mins long.
ive had 3 of them fail on my cart over 7 years. Total junk
Personally I love the electric brake! I have personally witnessed 3 times where people don’t watch their darn kids and they release the brake on a drum system. So I know that my cart is safe when I shut the key off is a much more important feature to me than the inconvenience of it being stuck where it fails. Obviously it’s not that hard to change on the fly if you are prepared which I always am.
When you're going full speed down hill and it locks up, you may have a different opinion.
Kevin's Golf Carts I have done it before due to a kid cutting me off on a bicycle so I do know what it’s like and am thankful that it stops as fast as it does.
thats a KID issue (or parents) these Electric brakes yes are great for those who need assistance in driving but are dangerous in a failure system.. My yamaha somehow all of a sudden stops when going down hill with fully charged batteries. i think it has a some kind of self charging system when moving. The system overloads when going down hill and the brakes kick in all of a sudden. I haver to go around the block a few times with lights on before going down hill.
Dont hold back. Tell us how you feel. Lol.
Hi Kevin new to your great site .youve probs been asked many times but what is best cart to buy.Thanks for your precious time
In my opinion, Yamaha for gas, Club Car for electric. EZGO quality has done to pot after 2002. There are many other import brands out there that are mostly electric but are not technically golf carts. The manufacturer classes them as LSV or NEV (Low Speed Vehicle or Neighborhood Electric Vehicle). I generally don't recommend these off-brands due to parts availability and their lower construction quality.
@@Kevinsgolfcarts thanks for reply.i was looking at club car mainly for aluminium chassis but thanks for your reply
Their are so many import brands now. Icon & Epic and Evolution. But honestly I think they are all crap. Nice but crap. Club car for electric and Yamaha for gas is exactly correct. I got a 2023 Yamaha Drive 2 EFI IRS Quietech. Such an awesome cart. Lift with big wheels its hitting 23 mph with 5 ppl and big wheels. When I tow a full size trailer it hauls it like nothing. Can't beat Yamaha reliability
I’m working in 2015 now that has been changed twice. Very bad idea 4sure. I don’t like at all.
I agree the electric brake idea sucks.
Nothing wrong with good old drum brakes. Typical engineers overengineering.
gOLF CART TECH FOR OVER 7 YEARS. .. Totaly unfair criticism of RXV's.. Brake failure is rare when installed and used properly.
to install you MUST clean motor surface AND SHAFT on motor... rust or carbon like buildup on shaft of motor will cause brake to drag and fail./.. Biggest cause of failure on brake is ovet-tightening of 10mm bolts on brake- guarenteed failure. another cause of brake failure is slamming on brakes to make back wheels slide....especially with lifted carts on pavement. when brake is pressed @80% to floor-power is cut to motor brake . this tends to damage brake as cart is designed to go 12mph on grass with small tires.
Have seen many 10 year old brakes working just fine... and many brand new brakes destroyed by teen age boys in 1 day.
RXV carts are reliable and very fun carts which are superior to most carts on hills. Lack of drum brakes is a positive...not a drawback.
improper install of drum brake shoes will cause them to fail as well.
I've been working on carts for 20 years. Sorry, but I completely disagree with all of your points. Mechanical brakes are far better, more reliable, last longer and are much stronger. If your batteries go dead, you have no way to move the cart without removing the brake completely or powering it from a small 12v battery. When the brake fails, removing the brake completely gives you no way to stop the cart if it starts rolling away. This is very unsafe. You literally have to drag the cart onto a trailer with a winch to "safely" move it. Drums work and need absolutely no power to operate. They work on both gas and electric carts, are easily serviced and are inexpensive. I stand by what I said and there isn't anything that will convince me otherwise. Its just a bad design.
The rxv has regenerative braking. That is only an e-brake. And if that brake goes out the cart locks up the cart won't keep rolling. It takes 15-18v's to release the e-brake. If you only knew anything about the rxv. You wouldn't look like such a fool. You shouldn't talk crap about something you know nothing about.
This brake is not only used for a parking brake. It is used in conjunction with regen braking. All modern electric carts use a form of regen braking along side some form of mechanical brake. Regen braking alone is not enough to safely stop a golf cart. If you only took the time to understand what you are talking about before making this comment, you wouldn't look like a fool. Drum brakes are far more simple and superior to any electro-mechanical brake. There is nothing you or anyone can say to change my mind of this fact.
It is absolutely only an e brake. It will only engage at a complete stop or when you hit the brake to the floor enough to activate the brake switch. Regen braking is enough to stop a cart on an ac cart. That said, I’m not a fan of the electric e-brake. Not a fan only because if something does fail and it locks down it is a pain in the ass for the customer. I always bring a brake with me when I get that call.
Very simple to disable the brake if needed. Reverse the connectors under the tow switch plastic cover. Done.
See this video.
ua-cam.com/video/X8vZo6_iXcM/v-deo.html
You can't disable it when its fried. You have to either drag the cart with a locked brake and risk other damage or remove the brake so it will roll freely. The latter results is absolutely no way to stop the cart if it starts to roll away. This is a dumbass design.
They are useless!! Who the hell came up with this brain dead idea is a DA that has never had his hands dirty. EZGO YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS!!!
They do suck
I to think that this is a very stupid idea.
Drum all day
I 100% agree!
Wow! What a terrible idea! Who comes up with this stuff?!?! I'm guessing people that don't work on them! Like you said drums are more than adequate!
Its absolute junk!
i work for a golf car distributor/dealer in michigan, we replace a LOT of these. DUMBEST idea EVER!!!!!!!! also, the ires under the drivers left foot are known for failing, making the car jerk, have to cut the connection out and hard wire it. also the the throttle sensors fail CONSTANTLY in these things. piss poor engineering on ezgays part.
Fortunately for me, people ask me what brands are most reliable and easy to work on. This gives me the ability to steer people in the right direction. There are not many new electric EZJUNK carts in the communities that I do most of my business. The older 2001 and older TXT/Marathons were the most solid EZGO carts ever built. This new stuff sucks. I think the RXV is a steaming pile of hot mess, gas and electric. I've been very vocal to EZGO about that. I hate the design of the Kawasaki engine in the gas RXV and the electrics need to be crushed and sent for scrap. I have to turn many people away that own the electric RXV since I don't have the Danaher scan tool. The ones with the Curtis controller are fixable but I still hate them.
the big 3 are ALL guilty of some stupid stuff, just seems ezgo is one hell of a lot more guilty lol