Self Destruct and Explosion might actually be kinda viable in the elite 4 here; they're among the best ways to punch up to the level 100s, and the user avoids getting xp, letting you straddle the fine line between level 50 and 51 a bit closer!
In the lore, that TM was actually supposed to be a roofie he was trying to invent for the Nurse Joys of Kanto region. It just so happened that he accidentally created a TM for his onix instead. This is literally canon. It's in the lore.
@@NAWWMANNN It's funny because Bide is an attack that would be the most beneficial on Pokémon with high HP and low DEF stats, so it can take hundreds of HP in damage without fainting and gives it back. Onix is one of the worst possible choices. His lack of HP gives Onix little to no room to collect enough damage and his high DEF blocks most of the taken damage anyway which can't be converted into the damage output.
@@GMSryButyeah, it was made for you to give to your Clefable or Wigglytuff, and then always make a trip back to a poke center or wasting all your potions 🤭
This barrage of videos you have been putting out has been really helpful jrose. Lost my dad on the 12th and my brother had to be hospitalized for adult onset schizophrenia related psychotic break 2 days after These videos are a helpful distraction from the stress and sadness in my life lately so i just wanted to say thank you
If I had a dime for everytime someone commented this. Bro didn't even see your comment, try talking to someone irl about this instead, trust me when i say internet sympathy will never be enough.
Jrose brings up an interesting point, one that I find kind of repetitive about challenge runs. While gym leaders, the rival and the elite 4 are far and away the most challenging obstacles of these games, they're almost always the only ones that ever get coverage. And when that's 99% of all challenge runs on UA-cam, it just gets kind of, i'unno, boring? At least for me. So a run like this is absolutely refreshing where more battles get their time to shine, as well as potentially more strategies get showcased
All the red/blue cheese training acquired through the solo runs has made you the most capable person for doing any challenge that lets you use a full team of any pokemon you want. Its like you have 6x the cheese power at your disposal!
The fact that all the movesets of the trainers change gives this run a whole new perspective compared to similar runs I’ve seen in other gens. Very cool twist
51:06 Confuse Ray is actually a Ghost type move, which means this cheese strat can literally only work with the Ghastly line (since they’re the only Ghost type mons in gen 1). So even more of a serendipitous discovery than you might have originally thought.
@@darthparallax5207You could pull off a challenge like this in any generation using similar strategies. A UA-camr called ChequerChequerTv did it in Pokémon FireRed, which has Gen 3 mechanics.
@@darthparallax5207 Yeah, I'd assume the gen picked here plays an enormous role. From trainer ai to absolutely busted move behavior, to just badly designed stats and interactions. Feels like this'd be infinitely harder, if not impossible, in later gens when Pokemon get actual movesets, trainers use their brains a tiny bit more and you can't cheese with broken mechanics. Maybe not impossible, I guess, but I imagine it absolutely has to be tougher.
Yeah, this happened to me with a Nidoran male and I realized how damn bugged Gen 1 is. I dropped the playthrough at the time, (I was a kid.), I didn’t learn Horn Attack!
Been a long term fan of this channel, and can I just say this is prob my fave ever. This was so so good, so interesting to see something completely new, I really loved it. I would love to see it in Gen 2 as well.
For the future, toxic + 5 hit wrap is almost a guaranteed 1-shot in gen 1. Heck, i think if you add leech seed to that, it's a guaranteed 1 shot at 4 turns due to how the toxic/leech seed damage counter works AND you heal for the huge damage.
I personally thought about this as well, but the problem was the level cap and the fact toxic is a 1 time use. If he decided to go catch a second exeggute for the elite 4 it might be viable, but im not convinced it would be the best strat.
@@Einheit1016 hits is "like" a one-shot when it only requires 1-2 Wrap moves and the opponent can't attack while being Wrapped. So it's like an extra long move.
Pikachu Family might actually be Gen 1's worst electric types. They have nothing to stand out. The balls are fast and explode. Zapdos can fly. Jolteon has Double Kick and Pin Missile. Magnets bois have sound based moves. And Buzz can learn Psychic.
And I remember the way we saw Pokémon red origins. I think Brock does have a level 100 Pokémon. He only uses level 12-14 Pokémon just because u start off as a noob trainer lol
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 A definition of scaling to the trainer's progress. I mean, if he had an uber high level Pokemon, no one would get past him as a first gym challenge.
@@ShiningJudgment666 yea thats why jrose only did level 50 at most and heck tries not to level up even in the final fight so yea point taken. but anyways its sad that only hack games be worthy cause I doubt pokemon companies will ever do this unless they give us a pokemon version of mario maker lol. heck a fire emblem maker would be cool too. but u know? I bet they would make some serious cash if they make mobile pokemon red to like emerald games. would love to play classic games on my phone lol
(51:09) Confuse Ray is actually a Ghost move, but yeah, the game sees that as being "super effective" against Haunter, and therefore the "good AI" must pick it every time.
This is one challenge that may, for a change, be much easier in later generations. Between abilities, held items, and new moves, you have so many more tools to work with later on.
I don’t think so. Enemy Pokémon will also have all those tools. Additionally the level up movesets are much better, sleep and freeze aren’t op anymore and you can’t abuse stupid „good“ AI anymore.
@@t1r1g0nI thought the same thing as the first comment, but you make a good point. I remember how brutal it was being just slightly under leveled in Scarlet during some of the gym battles. I'm sure there's some kind of cheese build in the newer games, but I'm not well versed on Pokemon meta
@t1r1g0n fair points to think of, but most enemy AI don't have held items, and in later generations their movesets are predetermined rather than the last 4 moves by level up. Abilities do occasionally throw an extra wrench in the works, but most don't really matter. Someone (I don't recall who offhand) did something similar in HGSS, and while it was by no means easy, I think they eventually managed it largely through abusing abilities and items. Stuff like the FEAR Rattata tactic.
@@CajunCrustacean I mean FEAR is absolutely broken against non ghost type trainers, as the AI might be better in later gens but still doesn't switch. Unless their Pokemon have priority you more or less cannot lose. Making it a boring strategy. But I guess you're right. Some later gens might be easier with abusing FEAR.
Jrose you’ve gotten pretty clever with the way you lead us on during the battle about whether or not it’s going to be a loss or victory.😂 thanks for the amazing content all these years!
I can see the japanese light novel title now. "I spent years calling pokemon a baby game for babies until one day I found MYSELF under a truck and I woke up in a pokemon world full of OP trainers because rare candies were not at all rare here!"
i feel bad for Jrose because people are gonna think he's ripping off SmallAnt's challenge when he streamed this months before (not that SmallAnt was copying him either)
I think timing is something to consider but not an end all thing: I still remember how before JRose did his Oddish run, MDB put up his Oddish run. I don't remember people making a big deal out of it.
I think it’s kinda silly to even think anything like this is “ripping off” someone else. It’s not like stealing someone’s art or music, which would playing someone else’s song or something and passing it off as your own which is IP theft and plagiarism. In this case and I think with a lot of streamers and content creators, the Intellectual Property is more so the personality and production effort of the person doing the run. It’s like neither of them created Pokémon and I wouldn’t be surprised if most of these challenges were found on forums and chat rooms of people just goofing around with different rules and such to make the game’s different and more challenging. It’s like the “Top 10 list” fad. Like you didn’t actually create anything new except for the time and effort you made to produce a video that’d be interesting and watchable to people.
The EXP ALL might have done a decent job of keeping the Pokemon from over-levelling in the late game. Not sure why JRose wasn't using it since he clearly had been catching a bunch of wild 'mons as backups for once his main ones reach 50. Could've saved him some grief.
This is super neat, and it would be interesting to see in later generations with not just better AI, but also AI that cheats less. I expect swapping to immunities would become a much larger part of the strategy.
Absolutely love this video. I don't mind the length of it. It was very interesting to see your changes in strategy to make this work. It was cool to see the decisions you made for which Pokémon to use after previous one got up to level 50. Great vid man.
Me at the start:"Oh boy! I can't wait to see him get a team of 100's and steam roll everyone.:" JRose11:"If a Pokemon gets to level 50, I will stop using them." Me:"Dang."
This is simply an amazing idea. After seeing your level 5 Elite 4 run I was sure you could do it, with a clever enough strategy. That's what I love about the old games. You can manipulate the AI.
This was a super cool idea and run. Love that you had to use such a variety of Pokémon and strategies throughout the run!!! This felt like you were a trainer in an anime!
A lot of things about gen I do make this challenge a bit easier, but there are some things, such as the skipping level up moves issue, that make it just absolutely brutal. It'd be interesting to see how this plays out in future gens. Honestly, the level cap might be the hardest part of this challenge in gen V and beyond. It'd only take a few battles and you'd have to replace your entire team. I can see the EXP share being absolutely vital in gen V, not just to reduce the amount of exp your main Pokemon get, but to create a kind of rotating team, with some being near the level cap and some being there to level up enough to be used. Past that... good luck.
Late gen Exp Share could also make some real difficulties if the Lvl50 rule was still in. Thinking that could be 3/6 Mons, just by delay between catch/use, being boxed at a time. So half your team would be forever changing. I'd actually be super interested to see how later gens do for this reason.
I don't comment often, but considering the hard work you've been putting in, I think you really deserve the engagement. Great video as always. The hard level cap really helped keep the challenge interesting and I'm glad you added it.
Hey JRose I loved this video!! Id be really love it if you repeated this challenge in Gold, Silver, or Crystal. I think it’d be really entertaining to see you go up against Red in the post game!! Once again, great great video!!
I'm so glad I saw such a badass team of Pokemon taking on the Elite 4! It's the sort of Pokemon one would not typically have on their team so it's fun to finally see them in action!
exp all could have been really helpful at the end there. It not only distributes EXP, but because of poor programming, when you switch pokemon, it actually gets rid of the some of the total amount of EXP you're supposed to recieve
I'm glad for him, because while his solo series has a consistent audience he hasn't been growing in subscribers with them and I feel like his addictive editing style will capture people if his videos get shown to more people
Hot take: if you play a modded playthrough, you can use full evolution trades (golem, alakazam, macrame, gengar) I don't think you can make any case to not that don't contradict the initial game modifying. Its a pokemon. It's legal. And you can use emulators to emulate a legitimate trade. Makes sense to me. It's all rules you make up anyway. Just do it.
I have to wonder, would the Exp. All have helped with exp. management? As that would mean while everyone's gaining exp, they're also all getting much less overall.
@@madammazon2942 I'm not talking about the exp. share, I'm talking about the exp all, which is a gen 1 only item that while in the players inventory, distributes exp to all non-fainted pokemon in the party (though the way it distributes it can get wonky because gen 1). You get it from one of Oak's aids when you have 50 pokemon in the pokedex.
@@ssjbread2803 he apparently also didn't play older games, given "until gen 4 when it was changed" exp share was in three phases: g1 (regular item that splits EXP across everyone... it's supposed to be roughly equal but there are some bugs and quirks) g2-g5 (held item that splits EXP across the actual battlers and its holders) g6-SM (key item that makes EXP out of nowhere, by giving 50% of the value to non-battlers without dividing it by number of participants) Let's Go+ (the same but it's no longer a key item, it's just a mechanic you can't turn off lol)
Idea: how much farther can Weedle get in Gen 1 if it starts with the best possible moveset? Or, alternatively, how much farther can Weedle get if it can learn all TMs?
@@YMasterS if you can pick any move you want it's substantially easier and you don't need fissure - there's a video comparing magikarp with the best moves versus mewtwo with the worst moves. If you don't have access to moves then weedle can't beat the game even on level 100
This is what I would love the games to be like in terms of forcing you to use all different kinds of pokemon. Its so easy to use the same ones over and over
Somewhere out there, Atsign made a version of Pokémon Blue for Smallant that made status decreases (ex. growl) permanent. Idk if he’d be willing to share that, but I’d love to see your strategy on it too
If you already went to such extend that you can put how much level does enemy trainer pokemon have, i am sure that you could also put intergrated level cap for your pokemon, so that you cant level them past lvl 50. It would be strange that editor doesnt support that option. That way you wouldnt need to worry about over-leveling, and you could use any pokemon you wish
I’ve only messed around with GBA era Rom hacking, but there are tools that easily allow you to edit trainers’ teams. Editing game mechanics would be much harder, if it’s even possible at all.
I did this same exact challenge just last month, except I played Yellow, and I allowed myself to go over Lv 50, but I allowed no wild battles. I used pokeyellow disassembly to build the rom myself. I also built a rom for Red and Blue. I caught 3 Pidgey and a Mankey. Changed the strategy after I picked up Bulbasaur. I also used Dugtrio and picked up Articuno for the E4. Hikers and Swimmers were great EXP. Pokemon Tower was great EXP for Dugtrio. and I went the Toxic + Leech Seed route (which is a glitch) after early game Sand Attack. Mankey with Leer was also helpful. It's very interesting how the game just uses the last 4 moves in the Pokemon's learnset. I'm planning on doing the same with gen 2 and because gen 2's disassembly has the ability to pick what moves the AI's pokemon have, you don't run into the different moveset issue as you do in gen 1. I was thinking with the Lv 50 cap that you were going to abuse Selfdestruct on Graveler. Would love to see more Lv 100 from you. Maybe even a Blue Kaizo run?
Definitely this in Gen 2. I feel like the remakes would be really good, too. Abilities and improved movesets will increase your options, but better AI will make it harder
We got some good stuff this week:
-a playthough of a Rom Hack
-a minimum battles challenge
-a vs all lvl 100 challenge
We eating good
The week of Jrose?
This is the type of content that makes him soooo much better than that MahDryBread
@leedsunited8787 you know Jrose and MDB both enjoy each other's content, right?
J GOT HIS MOJO BACK!
@@leedsunited8787it's not a competition
Seeing you evolve a pokemon during a run feels sacrilege. 😂😂
I guess that's why he implemented the lv 50 cap for his team
😂😂
@@DeathHawk150How could he ever win with DRAGONITE banned??
Ngl Kinda threw me off 😂
I know right!
0:22 “The *ONLY* change to this game is that the opponents are gonna use Pokemon that are level 100.” 0:38 rival gets an Abra.
Ya the code for modifying the starter was on, but the rival still got Squirtle because of how the code works.
How did you beat the rival's level 100 squirtle with your level 5 bulbasaur?
@@amyshaw893 and why do you think he did it?
@@amyshaw893he didn't. The bulbasor was still level 5 when he reached viridian forest. If he beat rival, he wouldn't be at level 5
How the pokemon world would work when you jump into it with grown adults:
Self Destruct and Explosion might actually be kinda viable in the elite 4 here; they're among the best ways to punch up to the level 100s, and the user avoids getting xp, letting you straddle the fine line between level 50 and 51 a bit closer!
That and paralysis. I think he could have exploited that more, especially since it lets you outspeed gyarados with rhydon for example
I think that never came to mind since his mind set is "if faint = lost" because he's always doing solo runs
If I recall correctly, those moves also halve the opponent's Defense, so an effective 500 base power attack is honestly amazing.
@@amberhernandez Explosion has only 170 power in gen 1 so effectively around 340 after halving defense
@@_Ytreza_less than that even lol, boom moves base power scale with your level in gen 1 for some weird reason
"Gym Leaders don't have custom movesets."
Brock, standing there with a copy of the TM he developed for his Onix in hand.
In the lore, that TM was actually supposed to be a roofie he was trying to invent for the Nurse Joys of Kanto region.
It just so happened that he accidentally created a TM for his onix instead.
This is literally canon.
It's in the lore.
@@NAWWMANNN How to unread a comment
@commonbridge4735 how to un-bang ur mom
@@NAWWMANNN It's funny because Bide is an attack that would be the most beneficial on Pokémon with high HP and low DEF stats, so it can take hundreds of HP in damage without fainting and gives it back.
Onix is one of the worst possible choices. His lack of HP gives Onix little to no room to collect enough damage and his high DEF blocks most of the taken damage anyway which can't be converted into the damage output.
@@GMSryButyeah, it was made for you to give to your Clefable or Wigglytuff, and then always make a trip back to a poke center or wasting all your potions 🤭
"Weedle will never wake up."
What a menacing statement 😂
This barrage of videos you have been putting out has been really helpful jrose.
Lost my dad on the 12th and my brother had to be hospitalized for adult onset schizophrenia related psychotic break 2 days after
These videos are a helpful distraction from the stress and sadness in my life lately so i just wanted to say thank you
I’m sorry for your loss. Keep strong 🙏
good luck. it's okay to be crushed too. get sleep. eat enough.
Proud of you for finding something that grounds you, much love to you and your brother
Stay strong brother. Life is hard, but we are proud of you
If I had a dime for everytime someone commented this. Bro didn't even see your comment, try talking to someone irl about this instead, trust me when i say internet sympathy will never be enough.
Jrose brings up an interesting point, one that I find kind of repetitive about challenge runs. While gym leaders, the rival and the elite 4 are far and away the most challenging obstacles of these games, they're almost always the only ones that ever get coverage. And when that's 99% of all challenge runs on UA-cam, it just gets kind of, i'unno, boring? At least for me. So a run like this is absolutely refreshing where more battles get their time to shine, as well as potentially more strategies get showcased
All the red/blue cheese training acquired through the solo runs has made you the most capable person for doing any challenge that lets you use a full team of any pokemon you want. Its like you have 6x the cheese power at your disposal!
so many Jrose videos every week all of a sudden, what did we do to deserve this?
Editing
Jrose basically does seasonal content like a TV show
He's on Twitch if you want to watch him year-round
He’s so hot🤤
Just like we always do. By watching him.
The fact that all the movesets of the trainers change gives this run a whole new perspective compared to similar runs I’ve seen in other gens. Very cool twist
51:06 Confuse Ray is actually a Ghost type move, which means this cheese strat can literally only work with the Ghastly line (since they’re the only Ghost type mons in gen 1). So even more of a serendipitous discovery than you might have originally thought.
I was wondering why it didn't go for it against Hitmonlee
I'm surprised accidentally leveling up too much and skipping moves wasn't more of an issue
thunderbolt is a TM, psychic is a TM, and then Gen. 1 is like soooo super cheesey like it's insane.
just don't forget sleep and your'e fine.
@@darthparallax5207You could pull off a challenge like this in any generation using similar strategies. A UA-camr called ChequerChequerTv did it in Pokémon FireRed, which has Gen 3 mechanics.
@@darthparallax5207 Yeah, I'd assume the gen picked here plays an enormous role.
From trainer ai to absolutely busted move behavior, to just badly designed stats and interactions.
Feels like this'd be infinitely harder, if not impossible, in later gens when Pokemon get actual movesets, trainers use their brains a tiny bit more and you can't cheese with broken mechanics. Maybe not impossible, I guess, but I imagine it absolutely has to be tougher.
Yeah, this happened to me with a Nidoran male and I realized how damn bugged Gen 1 is. I dropped the playthrough at the time, (I was a kid.), I didn’t learn Horn Attack!
@@dowfreak7iirc SmallAnt did a playthrough of Pokémon Emerald where every opponent Pokémon is lvl 100
I love how this video shows off the power of setup, status, and other non damaging moves.
51:05
Confuse Ray is Ghost type, not Psychic type.
Ghost is super effective against Ghosts.
I love these sorts of strange but simple challenges that have only one arbitrary change.
Level 100 challenges are so much fun to watch. It turns the game into a super hardcore challenge run and stragety becomes king.
"Stragety"
Cheese becomes king* but that's the fun part.
But cheese IS strategy.
@@Godooable oh i hope he on purpose meant ''Stragedy'' like from the old Rocky and Bullwinkle episode XD
The only way to make Pokémon fun and a challenge 🤣
I keep thinking Jrose has done the hardest pokemon challenges and he keeps finding a way to make the games more insanely difficult.
Onix taking ~15% from a lv 23 ivysaur using vine whip is… something
Onix has the worst special stat in the game iirc lmao
Been a long term fan of this channel, and can I just say this is prob my fave ever. This was so so good, so interesting to see something completely new, I really loved it. I would love to see it in Gen 2 as well.
For the future, toxic + 5 hit wrap is almost a guaranteed 1-shot in gen 1. Heck, i think if you add leech seed to that, it's a guaranteed 1 shot at 4 turns due to how the toxic/leech seed damage counter works AND you heal for the huge damage.
I personally thought about this as well, but the problem was the level cap and the fact toxic is a 1 time use.
If he decided to go catch a second exeggute for the elite 4 it might be viable, but im not convinced it would be the best strat.
@@azurrayne4140 yeah the level cap definitely complicates things.
How is 6 hits a oneshot
@@Einheit101 Toxic is your set-up move. Wrap is your 1 attacking move. It's a 1-shot if you're not a pedantic asshole.
@@Einheit1016 hits is "like" a one-shot when it only requires 1-2 Wrap moves and the opponent can't attack while being Wrapped. So it's like an extra long move.
I checked and yes, Raichu has no moves to hit Ground Pokemon by level-up. Gonna be fun using that in a solo run!
DOA as you can't beat Brock? Wait, no, you can struggle.
Gonna get a terrible time though No wait, Scott made the time tierlist, right?
That's a yikes right there.
@@Hoxeeljrose has a time list, and it's game time instead of real time. Raichu will likely still take a while.
Raichu’s probably slow as malasses with all the struggling
Pikachu Family might actually be Gen 1's worst electric types. They have nothing to stand out. The balls are fast and explode. Zapdos can fly. Jolteon has Double Kick and Pin Missile. Magnets bois have sound based moves. And Buzz can learn Psychic.
That was the best Brock battle I’ve ever seen. Geodude having Earthquake just seems to validate Brock as a genuine Gym Leader!
And I remember the way we saw Pokémon red origins. I think Brock does have a level 100 Pokémon. He only uses level 12-14 Pokémon just because u start off as a noob trainer lol
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 A definition of scaling to the trainer's progress. I mean, if he had an uber high level Pokemon, no one would get past him as a first gym challenge.
@@ShiningJudgment666 I mean u still could but question is? would u really want to train the grass to the point u can abuse rng or level 100? lol
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 It would really suck the fun out of the game doing that.
@@ShiningJudgment666 yea thats why jrose only did level 50 at most and heck tries not to level up even in the final fight so yea point taken. but anyways its sad that only hack games be worthy cause I doubt pokemon companies will ever do this unless they give us a pokemon version of mario maker lol. heck a fire emblem maker would be cool too. but u know? I bet they would make some serious cash if they make mobile pokemon red to like emerald games. would love to play classic games on my phone lol
Jrose: "I've played Pokémon a lot of different ways"
Understatement of the century right there.
(51:09) Confuse Ray is actually a Ghost move, but yeah, the game sees that as being "super effective" against Haunter, and therefore the "good AI" must pick it every time.
This is one challenge that may, for a change, be much easier in later generations. Between abilities, held items, and new moves, you have so many more tools to work with later on.
I don’t think so. Enemy Pokémon will also have all those tools. Additionally the level up movesets are much better, sleep and freeze aren’t op anymore and you can’t abuse stupid „good“ AI anymore.
@@t1r1g0nI thought the same thing as the first comment, but you make a good point. I remember how brutal it was being just slightly under leveled in Scarlet during some of the gym battles. I'm sure there's some kind of cheese build in the newer games, but I'm not well versed on Pokemon meta
@t1r1g0n fair points to think of, but most enemy AI don't have held items, and in later generations their movesets are predetermined rather than the last 4 moves by level up. Abilities do occasionally throw an extra wrench in the works, but most don't really matter. Someone (I don't recall who offhand) did something similar in HGSS, and while it was by no means easy, I think they eventually managed it largely through abusing abilities and items. Stuff like the FEAR Rattata tactic.
@@CajunCrustacean I mean FEAR is absolutely broken against non ghost type trainers, as the AI might be better in later gens but still doesn't switch. Unless their Pokemon have priority you more or less cannot lose. Making it a boring strategy. But I guess you're right. Some later gens might be easier with abusing FEAR.
@@t1r1g0n and Shedinja. It alone can trivialize half of the game if used properly. In gen 9 you can even use the tera electric!Air balloon cheese
no matter what this guy does, its always fun to watch
I dunno, I think a video of him just tying his shoelaces would be pretty boring and not fun.
@@Shenaldracdepends if it had narration!
Jrose you’ve gotten pretty clever with the way you lead us on during the battle about whether or not it’s going to be a loss or victory.😂 thanks for the amazing content all these years!
I genuinely expected it to come down to grinding for a Chansey, to try and tank out a poison cycle on Gyarados.
I can see the japanese light novel title now.
"I spent years calling pokemon a baby game for babies until one day I found MYSELF under a truck and I woke up in a pokemon world full of OP trainers because rare candies were not at all rare here!"
i feel bad for Jrose because people are gonna think he's ripping off SmallAnt's challenge when he streamed this months before (not that SmallAnt was copying him either)
This challenge has been done years ago in different games
I think timing is something to consider but not an end all thing: I still remember how before JRose did his Oddish run, MDB put up his Oddish run. I don't remember people making a big deal out of it.
Can we have Smallant?
No, we have Smallant at home.
Smallant at home:
I think it’s kinda silly to even think anything like this is “ripping off” someone else. It’s not like stealing someone’s art or music, which would playing someone else’s song or something and passing it off as your own which is IP theft and plagiarism. In this case and I think with a lot of streamers and content creators, the Intellectual Property is more so the personality and production effort of the person doing the run. It’s like neither of them created Pokémon and I wouldn’t be surprised if most of these challenges were found on forums and chat rooms of people just goofing around with different rules and such to make the game’s different and more challenging. It’s like the “Top 10 list” fad. Like you didn’t actually create anything new except for the time and effort you made to produce a video that’d be interesting and watchable to people.
It being in a different generation when smallant did XY honestly makes them into completely different challenges
Jrose been on demon time lately AND I LOVE IT. Keep up the good work OG
Lol bro..
The EXP ALL might have done a decent job of keeping the Pokemon from over-levelling in the late game. Not sure why JRose wasn't using it since he clearly had been catching a bunch of wild 'mons as backups for once his main ones reach 50. Could've saved him some grief.
That would of been to easy
I didn’t think there was exp all in gen 1
The extra time from all the text is never worth it
Exp all didnt exist in gen 1
@halfpace1462 you get EXP. ALL on route 15 from Prof Oak's aide inside the guard house at 50 Pokémon caught or more.
Bulbapedia
I’m glad to see that this challenge finally made its way into becoming a video! I love the creative ways in which you took advantage of “good AI” 😂
29:46 "Had it used Fire Blast, Rhyhorn would have fainted, 100%." Come on Jrose, you know Fire Blast is only 85% accurate.
If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate.
This is super neat, and it would be interesting to see in later generations with not just better AI, but also AI that cheats less. I expect swapping to immunities would become a much larger part of the strategy.
Nice to see Subway Toll Booth Assistant Surge is still providing those edge of your seat battles! What a shocker!
Next challenge: give all trainers 6 lv100 Amnesia Mewtwo
That's no fun because once you figure out how to beat the first team, you can automatically beat them all.
Absolutely love this video. I don't mind the length of it. It was very interesting to see your changes in strategy to make this work. It was cool to see the decisions you made for which Pokémon to use after previous one got up to level 50. Great vid man.
Lt. Surge works in Fast Food now.
Me at the start:"Oh boy! I can't wait to see him get a team of 100's and steam roll everyone.:"
JRose11:"If a Pokemon gets to level 50, I will stop using them."
Me:"Dang."
Amazing concept Jrose! Let’s freaking goooo 🎉
This is simply an amazing idea. After seeing your level 5 Elite 4 run I was sure you could do it, with a clever enough strategy. That's what I love about the old games. You can manipulate the AI.
15 minutes in and I'm already anxious about losing Venusaur when he reaches lvl.51
This was a super cool idea and run. Love that you had to use such a variety of Pokémon and strategies throughout the run!!! This felt like you were a trainer in an anime!
A lot of things about gen I do make this challenge a bit easier, but there are some things, such as the skipping level up moves issue, that make it just absolutely brutal. It'd be interesting to see how this plays out in future gens.
Honestly, the level cap might be the hardest part of this challenge in gen V and beyond. It'd only take a few battles and you'd have to replace your entire team. I can see the EXP share being absolutely vital in gen V, not just to reduce the amount of exp your main Pokemon get, but to create a kind of rotating team, with some being near the level cap and some being there to level up enough to be used. Past that... good luck.
Late gen Exp Share could also make some real difficulties if the Lvl50 rule was still in. Thinking that could be 3/6 Mons, just by delay between catch/use, being boxed at a time. So half your team would be forever changing. I'd actually be super interested to see how later gens do for this reason.
If you ever do this for Gen 2, you should name the rival 2Hundo
An insane, impressive, and unique challenge video! Awesome job!
0:44 Never thought id hear a sentence like that💯 Especially in a challenge like this!
I don't comment often, but considering the hard work you've been putting in, I think you really deserve the engagement. Great video as always. The hard level cap really helped keep the challenge interesting and I'm glad you added it.
This was one of the most fun challenges you've done on stream- I really hope we can continue the series someday :D
I feel like I know the answer is OF COURSE NOT, but I’m going to watch the whole 1hr 15 mins anyway
Hey JRose I loved this video!! Id be really love it if you repeated this challenge in Gold, Silver, or Crystal. I think it’d be really entertaining to see you go up against Red in the post game!! Once again, great great video!!
>Only 6 major battles remaining
>50% of the video still left
Oo boy.
Koga: "I knew you will use a plant type so i already prepared a super effective attack"
Jrose: "I knew you knew that`s why i used Victreebell"
Seeing a playthrough where you cycled through so many Pokémon was awesome, you don't see this amount used even in casual playthroughs.
I'm so glad I saw such a badass team of Pokemon taking on the Elite 4! It's the sort of Pokemon one would not typically have on their team so it's fun to finally see them in action!
exp all could have been really helpful at the end there. It not only distributes EXP, but because of poor programming, when you switch pokemon, it actually gets rid of the some of the total
amount of EXP you're supposed to recieve
Love how diverse the teams / how many different pokemon were used in this challenge.
Makes a huge difference from most Pokémon challenges on UA-cam
Wouldnt be easier to modify the game to not earn exp past lvl 50?
Awesome man. My only recommendation is that it first have no level restriction. Then level 75 limit then lvl 50 limit. I would watch them all haha
JRose taking the Smallant/Alpharad/Pointcrow/Johnstone thumbnail style? Does this mean....he is diversifying soon?
The thumbnail caught me off guard tbh. I thought it was a smallant video.
That would be refreshing for jrose been watching for some years now and he never disappoints while I’m smoking a blunt and reading 🙏🏿
I'm glad for him, because while his solo series has a consistent audience he hasn't been growing in subscribers with them and I feel like his addictive editing style will capture people if his videos get shown to more people
@@moeeyeguy531 Thumbnail is wrong. Bulbasaur is at level 5 not level 1.
Wow that thumbnail goes crazy. What an upgrade. Keep up the good work
Thumbs up for rhydon knocking out a lvl 100 grass type
16:07 when you realize you can't use just 1 pokemon, so you stare at a blank sign for 15 seconds
I love the variety lately, great stuff Jrose
I love the diversity you have to use, there are so many cool pokemon and you actually found them all useful!
I truly think you have unlimited Pokemon content on your hands, and I will always swing by to see the latest video lol
Gotta love that new style of thumbnail, the artwork's great! :)
A 3 year streak of the same thumbnail format has been broken today. RIP the jrose11 tagline you were taken too young
New thumbnail looks great! Very cool!
I’m not one to judge a video based on the thumbnail, but I have to say I love this one so much lol
Wow, what a journey. Excellent video!
Evening with Jose is something different 🗿
Hot take: if you play a modded playthrough, you can use full evolution trades (golem, alakazam, macrame, gengar)
I don't think you can make any case to not that don't contradict the initial game modifying. Its a pokemon. It's legal. And you can use emulators to emulate a legitimate trade. Makes sense to me. It's all rules you make up anyway. Just do it.
19:30 Time to demote Surge to Private.
Amazing Challenger!!! Congrats!!! Great video Guy xD
Jrose, you should separate all your stuff into seasons
Wow, I'm legit impressed. This is up there with the "Beat The Elite Four with level 5 Pokemon" video in sheer impressiveness. Bravo!
0:38 why did the rival receive an abra?
1:12:15 why not hold slowbro to fight charizard instead of just going for it all the time? its not just super effective, but its also boosted.
I have to wonder, would the Exp. All have helped with exp. management? As that would mean while everyone's gaining exp, they're also all getting much less overall.
Wait, the EXP All actually being useful? HERESY!
Gen 1 has no held items. Also, the exp share only gave exp to the pokemon holding the share until gen 4 when it changed
@@madammazon2942 you didn't play gen 1 all that much did you?
@@madammazon2942 I'm not talking about the exp. share, I'm talking about the exp all, which is a gen 1 only item that while in the players inventory, distributes exp to all non-fainted pokemon in the party (though the way it distributes it can get wonky because gen 1). You get it from one of Oak's aids when you have 50 pokemon in the pokedex.
@@ssjbread2803 he apparently also didn't play older games, given "until gen 4 when it was changed"
exp share was in three phases:
g1 (regular item that splits EXP across everyone... it's supposed to be roughly equal but there are some bugs and quirks)
g2-g5 (held item that splits EXP across the actual battlers and its holders)
g6-SM (key item that makes EXP out of nowhere, by giving 50% of the value to non-battlers without dividing it by number of participants)
Let's Go+ (the same but it's no longer a key item, it's just a mechanic you can't turn off lol)
>Gets final Gym badge at 39:00... oh boy, the elite four will be a pain then, won't it?
Idea: how much farther can Weedle get in Gen 1 if it starts with the best possible moveset? Or, alternatively, how much farther can Weedle get if it can learn all TMs?
Weedle can beat the game up to E4, where it gets an infinite battle with Lorelei who will always use Rest that it can't outdamage.
But Weedle doesnt learn any move, like literally any xD it has the best possible moveset from the very start
@@franslair2199Horn Drill or Fissure can get past Dewgong, if nothing else.
@@YMasterS if you can pick any move you want it's substantially easier and you don't need fissure - there's a video comparing magikarp with the best moves versus mewtwo with the worst moves. If you don't have access to moves then weedle can't beat the game even on level 100
This is what I would love the games to be like in terms of forcing you to use all different kinds of pokemon. Its so easy to use the same ones over and over
it feels illegal to be this early. looking forward to the run
gonna need that "JROSEII" banner back on the thumbnails there guy. Also this man is a goddamn national treasure.
Somewhere out there, Atsign made a version of Pokémon Blue for Smallant that made status decreases (ex. growl) permanent. Idk if he’d be willing to share that, but I’d love to see your strategy on it too
If it's already been done by smallant, then it probably isn't worth doing a video on.
@@bigfudge2031 I’ve got some bad news then for ya buddy on the video you’re commenting on right now
@@robertbach3592He did it on pokemon x and Y
This was honestly a creative take of a Nuzlocke challenge with Levels instead. Great video!
If you already went to such extend that you can put how much level does enemy trainer pokemon have, i am sure that you could also put intergrated level cap for your pokemon, so that you cant level them past lvl 50. It would be strange that editor doesnt support that option.
That way you wouldnt need to worry about over-leveling, and you could use any pokemon you wish
I’ve only messed around with GBA era Rom hacking, but there are tools that easily allow you to edit trainers’ teams. Editing game mechanics would be much harder, if it’s even possible at all.
Ayyyyy appreciate another upload so soon!
You could have gotten the EXP ALL item before the Elite Four to make sure the experience wouldn't be too much.
Switching it up with the new thumbnail and video type is awesome. Watch your content every night before bed, love the videos man
So much Jrose lately. I love it.
I did this same exact challenge just last month, except I played Yellow, and I allowed myself to go over Lv 50, but I allowed no wild battles. I used pokeyellow disassembly to build the rom myself. I also built a rom for Red and Blue. I caught 3 Pidgey and a Mankey. Changed the strategy after I picked up Bulbasaur. I also used Dugtrio and picked up Articuno for the E4. Hikers and Swimmers were great EXP. Pokemon Tower was great EXP for Dugtrio. and I went the Toxic + Leech Seed route (which is a glitch) after early game Sand Attack. Mankey with Leer was also helpful. It's very interesting how the game just uses the last 4 moves in the Pokemon's learnset. I'm planning on doing the same with gen 2 and because gen 2's disassembly has the ability to pick what moves the AI's pokemon have, you don't run into the different moveset issue as you do in gen 1.
I was thinking with the Lv 50 cap that you were going to abuse Selfdestruct on Graveler. Would love to see more Lv 100 from you. Maybe even a Blue Kaizo run?
He’s on fire lately!
Great video! I never thought I'd stay and watch an hour long video about this. Way to prove me wrong. Good job!
Definitely this in Gen 2.
I feel like the remakes would be really good, too. Abilities and improved movesets will increase your options, but better AI will make it harder
Really cool how the final team ended up taking a Pokemon from each of the Elite Four and Champion's teams and putting them all together