The worst all-star game was played in this era afterall. And the slam dunk champ is a G league player so yeah. Soft ass league people only wants to shoot 3s and load manage.
Growing up in the 90's and early 00's I can definitely say That era was the end of good basketball. My entire family had watched the NBA since it's beginning in the 50's. My elder uncles told me about the rivalry between Wilt and Russell, then the previous gen to me talked about Maravich, Magic, Bird and early MJ. When Kobe, KG, AI and all those players were playing and I watched the games with them. They told me, that they were an amazing generation of new talents and that they reminded them of those legends from the past. One of my uncles is a big fan of Kobe and Wade. I was always rooting for Nowitzki and AI, so you can imagine those finals. I would always get beat 😂😂😂 (except on 2011) But I remember them saying that. Then, something happened after 2010 and NBA Basketball just lost something. Classic defenses and plays disappeared. All you see is 3 pointers, lack D. No superstars at the Dunk competition
This is not basketball the way Dr. Naismith created. They carry the ball, which is not real ball handling. There's no hand checking so players have freedom to move. Basketball players nowadays could not live in the 90s. Period.
@@wordwariii687 lots of videos on youtube explaining it but you can look up' inside the nba the crew discuss hand checking' to hear kenny smith explain the difference from a guard's perspective. The nba banned that in the mid 2000s.
@@wordwariii687 the defender is allowed to keep hand contact with you at all times. So when you face the defender they create contact without a foul. Forcing you to turn your back to the goal and to your teammates. This also allows for better defense cause you always know where the offensive player is through contact and can look away to what his teammates are doing to interupt passes, dribbles, and screens.
@@wordwariii687 PAUSE😅 but they could put their hands o. The ball handler.👀 To help steer/control when defending. Plus there was diff. rules like illegal to play zone.💯
They definitely aren’t bigger or stronger, they got rid of the traditional center and today’s center would’ve been a small or power forward back in the day
@@jefeseason4990 Who has the better offensive game, who has the higher inch vertical, who is the better defender, & who is the BETTER basketball player? No, DeAaron Fox is not. Fox is also faster with the ball in his hands that LeBron, KD or Steph, but is he a BETTER baller than any of them? Again, NO he is not. Horrible TAKE, just horrid.🥴
@jefeseason4990 Spoken like the typical Gen Z clown who never even saw MJ in his prime. NEWSFLASH: prime MJ consistently ran a 4.2 - 4.3 and that's documented. Why don't you go back to the drawing board and come up with another one of your dumb narratives kiddo. That seems to be the only thing your generation excels at...SMH
@@bennyjones3336 i was talking about ostertag's physical dimensions and weight... being grabbed by that hulk of a man in midair and still get the bucket via a reverse layup is an indication of physical strength... you are making a strawman argument...
@@bennyjones3336 the fact that you are making a strawman argument is pathetic... i was talking about ostertags physical dimensions as someone as a hulking giant grabbing jordan in midair and jordan still making the reverse is an indication of strength...
@@stayingalive992 MJ was one of the best finishers in the game. Guys would literally have their hands around his waist pulling him down as he went up for a dunk and he would still make it. MJ was strong and he had total control over his body and movements and was able to make adjustments while he was in the air. Only MJ.
@@bennyjones3336 He was not an elite center, but he was far from horrible. He was a solid big man that was useful off the bench. Dude led the league twice in blocked shots.
Changing the rules of the game, Does not equate to more "skill". What it actually means they are less skilled players now. Because now the only two skills you need, is shooting the 3 and dribbling. Older players had to know how to play defense, have back to the basket game and rebound. Who is a truly great passer in today's game🤔. When was the last time somebody averaged 15 Rebounds a game. Who in today's game is a actual lockdown defender🤔. Players today are all interchangeable Because you only need two skills As stated earlier💪🏾🏀
@@somtomichael2292 Yeah, those Antman/MJ comparisons died down real quick when he choked in the WCF against Dallas. Much like all that talk of Luka & Kyrie being the most talented backcourt in NBA history, until they ALSO got smoked like Snoop on holiday in the NBA Finals too. 💨 NBA media just out here creating narratives for clicks, nothing more. Although he’s a horrible analyst, Kendrick Perkins has already admitted that he gets paid to say dumb ish just for the controversy. MJ’s OWN kids ain’t nothing like HIM either.😂😂.
Players are jumping higher on average because of the science behind training is better and the requirements for bulk are much less. Players back then were way stronger because you could nor survive without it.
Gilbert Arenas had a failed NBA basketball career. He was the runt of his era, so now he wants to blow up the entire era. If Gilbert Arenas was a superstar champion from the past, then he would work and fight to preserve the reputation and legacy of the past. But since Gilbert Arenas had a forgettable career from the past, now it’s “fk the past” and he’s trying to destroy the past.
No Sir 🤦🏿♂️! I Don't Like "Agenda Pushing Gil". Be That As It May, He Was No "FAILURE" By Any Stretch Of The Imagination. His Body Failed Him👌🏿!! He Was Not A Failed Basketball Player Sir...Plain And Simple 🤷🏿♂️.
The conversation of skill is missed placed. When ppl like Ant say comments about skill, what they are really referring to is fluidity of movement. If you watch basketball before 1984, there weren't many, if any players with non-stiff movement. Really, the first player to truly have fluid movement to their game was Isaiah Thomas, but his game was limited due to his size....etc. Jordan has the ultimate fluid movement game. His body moves and looks esthetically pleasing all while being fundamentally sound. As the game evolved, everyone wanted to "be like Mike" and over time players have developed a more attractive looking play style. This style of play is based off of Jordan. EVERY "position" today is played with a 2 guards skill set. Where do you think that view of the game came from? Comes from everyone wanting to be like Mike. The core of this "skill" conversation is not about actual basketball skill, it's about how ones game looks and that comes across them like they have skill. They don't. (As an example) Tim Duncan would destroy the players of today. Skill Basketball skill comes in many forms. The game right now is watered down. And even with everyone having 2 guard or Jordan like movement to their games, no one can remotely even put up better numbers than MJ. MJ's rookie season numbers are almost identical to Kobe's MVP season. Let that sink in.
People just don’t want to admit it, but Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan broke the game of basketball with their play. Bird and magic elevated the game to even get it on live television and Jordan basically was able to run because they walked first. Because of the exposure of the game and international play everybody wants to be like Jordan and this all goes back to the Olympics overseas players getting to see him
I was with you until the Kobe part. Everything has context. Kobe made the Finals that season because he was bringing his stats DOWN to elevate his teammates. He had already gotten back to back scoring titles. It’s not always ONLY about stats.
I watched the Lakers vs Celtic championship 1980,81 and 82 battles. I watched Jordan Bulls battle the bad boys of Detroit and sweep. I never stopped watching the NBA and can honestly say there is no comparison in entertainment and meaningful basketball. Todays game feels hallow and void of soul. Nobody cares about winning as a team. All individuals looking for clout and solo achievements.
Some of that is on the league 💯players play hard to win and then you rig a game or series against them why would the players play hard or for team🤷🏿♂️
🫡 Mr Charles keep cooking bro your channel is one of the best and a lot of other content creators and NBA players have sent much respect and love to your channel so keep cooking.
Adam Silver should've included Lebron in why the rules were changed. Lebron is bigger than Steph but he's evidently a weak player because he's always complaining about non fouls. The rules were changed so they could try yo help Lebron to be considered the face of the NBA. But they've failed miserably in lifting him past Jordan.
They say they are better, change of rules. Faster, rule changes allowing more ball movement and player movement. Stronger, the offensive players are allowed to commit offensive fouls and push defenders out of the way, illegally lower their shoulder, and hook people without a foul being called. They call them power plays...
Otis Thorpe Buck Williams The Davis Twins Charles Oakley Anthony Mason Rick Mahorn I'm not even naming centers, those are power forwards back in the day. The league is soft. The rebuttal from casuals will be those type of players don't stretch the floor and would be unplayable, but I counter that and say rule changes are at fault for that. And like Shaq mention they don't even run plays today just read/react and terrible shot selection.
News flash the USA of America has gone soft so everything are going to fall in line they got something call cyber bully What u watch tv grown men acting like a sissy and it's okay.
S/O to the content creator of The DREAMERSPRO Show. The 90’s is the best era. I also agree with The Big Fella. He used his abilities to play the game and doing so, won 4 NBA Championships with the Lakers and Heat.
What makes this argument flawed is the newer era tries to put the older generations into today’s modern game. If you notice you never hear them say if they could play in that era. They never speak on how rule changes have made scoring more of an emphasis. Similar to what the NFL has done, the NBA has followed suit.
I stopped listening to basketball media a few months ago. 95% of it is garbage now. Its either LeBron is the goat, LeBron is not the goat, and this era is better and more skillful than the past. I've never seen a sport with such a toxic online presence where its players dont respect those who came before them enough to say "we're done with the 90s" or that theyre better than everyone who came before them. You wouldn't catch football fans or footballers (the real one) calling out players from the past.
In all honesty i believe players today are getting less athletic than before imo. Wilt chamberlain averaged 48.5 minutes per game in the highest paced era the league has ever seen. In today's nba, literally no one can give us 40 minutes a night. Its crazy that people claim players today are bigger, faster, stronger when none can even physically match a center from 60 years ago.
I'm not going to argue that athletes today are more athletic, but for you to use one outlier from the past to say they are LESS athletic is hardly scientific. Should I point to a guy like John Wall to claim modern players are faster? I'm won't say that, because he's one guy. What about Shaq? Shaq was probably stronger than Wilt. And Wemby can probably do things that Wilt could not. Let's not get confused by single data points.
@Qichar its not just wilt, it was the gold standard to average over 40 minutes. I mean did you even bother to look at other players of that season? Today, Derozan is currently at the top in minutes, yet 37.8 minutes isnt even cracking top 10 back then. 1962 was the higest paced season the nba has ever had, teams were averaging 118.8 ppg with nothing but 2s. They were running back and forth non stop. I doubt derozan would even last 37 minutes if he played back then. We do not know who is stronger beween the 2 centers, but phil jackson, someone who played against wilt and trained shaq admits to wilt being the stronger player, even referencing how the lakers had to intentionally foul wilt so much that they had their hall of fame center foul out just to have a shot at winning, even stating how wilt would just lift him up and get his shots. And we know phil isnt baiased, he chose kobe as the hardest worker compared to jordan, even stating in live television jordan would probably get mad at him for stating that fact, but he doubles down on what he thinks is true.
@@mlmf2012 I got it, people are unhappy with "load management". But how is that related to being a better athlete? What is the definition of being a better athlete? If we set aside the NBA for a moment and talk SCIENTIFICALLY, people running the 100m have IMPROVED OVER TIME. Usain Bolt holds that record and he's MEASURABLY faster than people from the past. I would consider that a measure of athleticism. Load management is a different matter entirely. That's about team's strategy to try and win the chip by keeping their best players healthy. Frankly, I don't think it's working, but I also don't think it's a good measure of athleticism or relevant to this argument.
THANK YOU IVE BEEN SAYING THESE GUY ARE NOT BIGGER FASTER OR STRONGER JUST A BUNCH OF NONSENSE TO PROP UP THIS SORRY NBA SMDH THANKS FOR SAYING AND DOING YOUR RESEARCH
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar , George Gervin, Michael Cooper, Jamaal Wilkes, Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton, Tayshan Prince thin players couldn’t play in the 80’s & 90’s 🤨 come on Charles
How can one say that this era of basketball players is stronger when the level of defense is obscure? Kenny Smith is accurate about how players today are skilled. Yes, skilled like the globetrotters. Lol!
Load Management is the evidence that this era is weaker than the 80s and the 90s. Players back then, most of them played for almost 82 games every season. The average NBA player right now especially the superstars play less than 70 games a season. This era certainly does not have stronger players especially with all that Load Management
i anticipated nba games back then,now i only have interest during play offs,full of goofy celebrations just too stand out a lot of showboating unlike back then, raw emotions flowed when players celebrate
JJ Redick and Gilbert really can't speak on the physicality of basketball from the past... Yes they may remember taking a hit here and there but those two guys were actually trying to shy away from contact, plus they couldn't dunk on nobody so ??
When people say that this generation is more skilled or athletic, they are talking about all the players in general not the top players which are outliners in any era. With this you need no test, its easy to see, the average NBA player is better than the average NBA player in the 80s or earlier. There are bench players in today’s game that would probably be starters back then. This isn’t just because of evolution either, scouts today also have more resources at their disposal to find the best of the best compared to back then.
Here’s a little education Embid can’t dominate in the post because the NBA implemented defensive, offensive 3 seconds in the key and 5 seconds back to the basket in the 2000s the 90s did not have those rules so it was easier to dominate in the post
People are confused by the conditioning. Players today are conditioned like marathon runners so they look more athletic. Previous players had to be bulkier for the physicality so they appeared less in shape. Then obviously the rule changes make players look more skilled
This Narrative is false..the Rules is bogus ....when Refs do call foul on certain players ..so Kyree most definitely Steph get banged up hand check all they above No Calls Where It all they do is hack players that's not talent or skilled .90s still avg more foul attempts ..the difference is Players shot better in all positions from 3pointers..
In terms of body size I've always said Kevin Durant was too small. Yeah he's tall but he was lanky he never had the muscle mass you'd expect of a guy his size. I always thought that's why he prioritized jumpers, still a hell of a player tho
Gilbert Arenas's platform will do extremely well for a very long time as long as every other platform is constantly responding to something Arenas recently said on his platform, even though the majority of the time he's saying some stupid @ss ish that most people don't agree with, unless they're one of these New Jacks that believe pretty much anything that favors somebody they are a fan of, whether that person as an athlete is trash or not. I hope these platforms somehow find a way to find something else to talk about other than the next stupid thing Gilbert Arenas is going to say on a daily basis, which is how often somebody seems to be addressing or responding to Arenas now..its literally like damn near everyday now. Why constantly take time out of your day to address some stupid sh!t that keeps comimg from the same dumb@ss??
Ofc Shaq would be in the paint, he wasn’t allowed to do anything else coaching wise. Not that he would be able to in the first place, bruh would barely make free throws
I mean is a debatable topic but I feel like someone how grew up watching 90's and 2000's basketball and love it and someone who also played in South America and Europe that all these rules changes are ruining the game as it was meant to be played (i don't watch the NBA anymore nowadays it is just a show not a sport), Luka say it clearly it is easier to score on the NBA than it is in Europe and you could see that on the last Olympics or anytime an NBA team plays a European team.
Ironically the players of the 90's and 2000's were actually bigger and stronger than the players of today. Back then, a greater premium was placed on strength and athleticism due to the way the game was played and called. Today guys can be built like Luka and still dominate, because defenses are handicapped. Guys don't need to be freakishly athletic like Shawn Kemp to get into the MVP convo now. The NBA is more of a finesse Euro style game. Today the WNBA is more physical than the NBA.
Don't forget Shawn Kemp, good luck finding a modern player as athletic as he was before the strike. It's also amazing how much more skill you can have when hand checking isn't allowed, you can eurostep, and you can palm the ball.
Today NBA is nothing but pick/screen on the offense end. Team do that to get a switch on a smaller and slower player. It's easer to scored when you get a switch or get the defender behind you on a pick.
Maybe a good compromise to protect athletes while adding back in the physicality ---- less whistle whistle whistle for some bs this and that, but also make the regular season shorter and potentially make it best of 5 not best of 7 in the post-season
Guys like Anthony Edwards, Gilbert Arenas, JJ Reddick for some reasons claiming today's era of the NBA players are more exciting than the old era of the NBA and I don't think fully that they watched a lot of the old era like I did especially like Anthony Edwards for instance since he's really young player. The old era was physical, had the big fundamentals from the hook shoots, inside game, power dunks, etc. Also guys had the stamina, fortitude to play the 82 game schedule despite injuries and I didn't see them load manage like these players today are doing. most teams, players in this era shoots long range shots too much which doesn't excite me and bigger guys are doing this as much as the smaller guys. I haven't watched the NBA in almost two years because of the lack of defense by most teams, the star players load managing taking amount of games off, then the playoff series, games aren't as competitive in this era as they were in the old era when they were big rivalries in the 1980's, 1990's like Celtics-Sixers, Celtics-Bucks, Bucks-Sixers, Sixers-Lakers, Celtics-Knicks, Lakers-Rockets, Blazers-Lakers, Sonics-Lakers, Rockets-Sonics, Blazers-Jazz, Jazz-Rockets, Rockets-Suns, Lakers-Suns Bulls-Pistons, Celtics-Pistons, Bulls-Knicks, Knicks-Pacers, Bulls-Pacers that I watched with great emphasis. So these days the game has gone down in my mind compared to the old era.
It’s a facts MJ had a heavier max bench than Bron, It’s facts Wilt Chamberlain is the most powerful Basketball player in history so the bigger stronger faster crap is exactly crap.
Street clothes Anthony doofus wouldn’t be able to play in the 80’s or 90’s. He falls down to the floor once a game as it is now when it’s not even physical. What would happen then? He would get mauled.
Here is some 'proof' for you. There have only been two 'giants' as centers. Shaq and Yao. Both were over 300lbs. Now start looking at the centers in the 80s. Laimbeer and Ewing, both 240. The Chief and Kareem were 230. Wilt was 275. There were the centers that won in the 80s. Now look at the 90s. The Admiral was 235, Hakeem was 255, Mourning was 240. Yeah that sounds HUGE. Joklc is 290. Embiid, he lies, he is over 300. Bam, who really should be a 4, is 255. Myles Turner is 255. Goebert is 260. Now, think that through. The centers today who are playing all over the court are BIGGER than the centers of the 80s and 90s. But what you are right about is it is the rules. But I disagree with you about your interpretation of the handcheck. You can still handcheck a player. But, it is not the 94 feet. From taking the ball in to the defenses free throw line you can't hand check. But, if that player gets under the free throw line and turns the back to the basket, hand check away. If it is in the lower defensive box, you can handcheck regardless if the back is to the basket or not. This is in the NBA rules: official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/ B. Personal foul section 1. The rule that really changed the game was the elimination of the illegal defense and going to zones. With illegal defense, you did have contact! Why? Go back and look at most of Jordan's plays. They were ISOs. He would get the ball on the outside of the 3pt line. Then 3 others would go to the other side of the court staggered baseline to beyond the arc. The last player would be down in the same side as Jordan in the baseline corner. How did the defenders have to play? Go watch some of that. It was comical. The 3 weak side defenders. They could keep one foot in the paint and one out. Then Jordan would do his 6 second dance to blow by the defender, then those weakside defenders would try and come after him. If Jordan felt he could get in, he would pull up for a middie. And Jordan was DAMN good at middies. Shaq and UD are right. Today's game is read and react. Today's game requires something that the 80s/90s players rarely did. Very few players fight through a screen today. They just switch. In the 80s and 90s, it was all about getting through the screen, whether you went under or over it.
Showboating dribbling is not skills. Coaches back then demanded fundamentals. You did that back then, you can go play for the globetrotters. You launch deep 3s, you can find yourself on the bench. Kerr and Mark Price were 50%-40%-90% guys.
Charles can we get hand checking back or something I'm at the point where if these dudes ain't scoring there's nothing good going for them. I don't get why people say this era is better than the previous. I'm not even that old and I know better than to disrespect the old eras
90s is the greatest era an i am of this era the game has declined
The worst all-star game was played in this era afterall. And the slam dunk champ is a G league player so yeah. Soft ass league people only wants to shoot 3s and load manage.
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The 2000’s was the best era of basketball. 90’s 2nd best followed by the 80’s then the 2010’s
@carlosvids7473 90s were hard. 00 2nd
2000s
Growing up in the 90's and early 00's I can definitely say That era was the end of good basketball. My entire family had watched the NBA since it's beginning in the 50's. My elder uncles told me about the rivalry between Wilt and Russell, then the previous gen to me talked about Maravich, Magic, Bird and early MJ. When Kobe, KG, AI and all those players were playing and I watched the games with them. They told me, that they were an amazing generation of new talents and that they reminded them of those legends from the past. One of my uncles is a big fan of Kobe and Wade. I was always rooting for Nowitzki and AI, so you can imagine those finals. I would always get beat 😂😂😂 (except on 2011) But I remember them saying that. Then, something happened after 2010 and NBA Basketball just lost something. Classic defenses and plays disappeared. All you see is 3 pointers, lack D. No superstars at the Dunk competition
Most nba players now are soft period.
This is not basketball the way Dr. Naismith created. They carry the ball, which is not real ball handling. There's no hand checking so players have freedom to move. Basketball players nowadays could not live in the 90s. Period.
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Whats Hand Checking rule ? pls someone explain this to me ... havent watch 90's
@@wordwariii687 lots of videos on youtube explaining it but you can look up' inside the nba the crew discuss hand checking' to hear kenny smith explain the difference from a guard's perspective. The nba banned that in the mid 2000s.
@@wordwariii687 the defender is allowed to keep hand contact with you at all times. So when you face the defender they create contact without a foul. Forcing you to turn your back to the goal and to your teammates. This also allows for better defense cause you always know where the offensive player is through contact and can look away to what his teammates are doing to interupt passes, dribbles, and screens.
@@wordwariii687 PAUSE😅 but they could put their hands o. The ball handler.👀 To help steer/control when defending. Plus there was diff. rules like illegal to play zone.💯
NBA players nowadays think they tough but play soft 😂
They definitely aren’t bigger or stronger, they got rid of the traditional center and today’s center would’ve been a small or power forward back in the day
Exactly...
This is actually the smallest (height) and lightest (lbs) era on file since the ABA/NBA merger.
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Who is faster than Deaaron Fox with the ball in their hands… no MJ is not !
@@jefeseason4990 Who has the better offensive game, who has the higher inch vertical, who is the better defender, & who is the BETTER basketball player?
No, DeAaron Fox is not.
Fox is also faster with the ball in his hands that LeBron, KD or Steph, but is he a BETTER baller than any of them?
Again, NO he is not.
Horrible TAKE, just horrid.🥴
@jefeseason4990
Spoken like the typical Gen Z clown who never even saw MJ in his prime.
NEWSFLASH: prime MJ consistently ran a 4.2 - 4.3 and that's documented.
Why don't you go back to the drawing board and come up with another one of your dumb narratives kiddo.
That seems to be the only thing your generation excels at...SMH
jordan managed a reverse layup while being grabbed in midair by a 7 foot 250++ pounder greg ostertag
The fact you said Greg ostertag only discredits Jordan . One of the worst centers of all time. 😂😂😂
@@bennyjones3336 i was talking about ostertag's physical dimensions and weight... being grabbed by that hulk of a man in midair and still get the bucket via a reverse layup is an indication of physical strength...
you are making a strawman argument...
@@bennyjones3336 the fact that you are making a strawman argument is pathetic... i was talking about ostertags physical dimensions as someone as a hulking giant grabbing jordan in midair and jordan still making the reverse is an indication of strength...
@@stayingalive992 MJ was one of the best finishers in the game. Guys would literally have their hands around his waist pulling him down as he went up for a dunk and he would still make it. MJ was strong and he had total control over his body and movements and was able to make adjustments while he was in the air. Only MJ.
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He was not an elite center, but he was far from horrible. He was a solid big man that was useful off the bench. Dude led the league twice in blocked shots.
Changing the rules of the game, Does not equate to more "skill". What it actually means they are less skilled players now. Because now the only two skills you need, is shooting the 3 and dribbling. Older players had to know how to play defense, have back to the basket game and rebound. Who is a truly great passer in today's game🤔. When was the last time somebody averaged 15 Rebounds a game. Who in today's game is a actual lockdown defender🤔. Players today are all interchangeable Because you only need two skills As stated earlier💪🏾🏀
dribbling while being allowed to travel*. Keyword, allowed.
Imagine if at school youre all of sudden allowed to have a cheat sheet on your SAT's..
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@@anthonyhernandez2111 facts 💪🏾🏀
American basketball players nowadays are mostly highlights rather than fundamentals, because that is how you get sponsorship and high contracts.
Cupcake era !!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 perfect Name for this Era !!!!
And not just in basketball.
I ain’t seen a VC, DRose, SHAQ, and damn sure ain’t seen a MJ yet 😂
They were calling Edwards MJ 😭 because he looks like him facially lmfao Edwards 🤣🤣🤣
Ja Morant is DRose, and tbh Shaq is like once in a lifetime, MJ too
I was just thinking of this!!! It started with…who is today’s Shawn Kemp?
@@ugobrown2357Ja is my favorite current player but he ain’t DRose fam…..DRose is once in a lifetime just like Shaq and MJ
@@somtomichael2292 Yeah, those Antman/MJ comparisons died down real quick when he choked in the WCF against Dallas. Much like all that talk of Luka & Kyrie being the most talented backcourt in NBA history, until they ALSO got smoked like Snoop on holiday in the NBA Finals too. 💨
NBA media just out here creating narratives for clicks, nothing more.
Although he’s a horrible analyst, Kendrick Perkins has already admitted that he gets paid to say dumb ish just for the controversy.
MJ’s OWN kids ain’t nothing like HIM either.😂😂.
Players are jumping higher on average because of the science behind training is better and the requirements for bulk are much less. Players back then were way stronger because you could nor survive without it.
except they are not jumping higher on average lol. unless you mean by millimeters, and even then, that's debatable...
@@OlJackBurtonthey absolutely are lol. Sure there were a few outliers back in the day but overall? Absolutely.
Gilbert Arenas had a failed NBA basketball career. He was the runt of his era, so now he wants to blow up the entire era. If Gilbert Arenas was a superstar champion from the past, then he would work and fight to preserve the reputation and legacy of the past. But since Gilbert Arenas had a forgettable career from the past, now it’s “fk the past” and he’s trying to destroy the past.
Loud = funny to kids. That's why they watch these streamers that scream at their webcams and guys like Gilbert that scream on their podcast
No Sir 🤦🏿♂️! I Don't Like "Agenda Pushing Gil". Be That As It May, He Was No "FAILURE" By Any Stretch Of The Imagination. His Body Failed Him👌🏿!! He Was Not A Failed Basketball Player Sir...Plain And Simple 🤷🏿♂️.
@@VennnnnnnnnnExactly! That type of stuff is dumb to me. But I'm an "old head" so I won't understand.
Couldn’t agree more
Best comment on here so far
Arenas is best known for bringing a gun into a locker room. Todays basketball is half court shots and no defense.
My fellow Bmorean Mugsy Bouges was also athletic,5-3 with a 40+ inch vertical,& in which other guards struggled to bring the ball up court against!!!
@@matthewwhite5600 S.Webb & N.Rob were better, let’s argue.🤣💯
@@devantedenson1301earl boykins isiah Thomas 💪🏿
@@Dipset415 They don’t bout Earl🥶. I match that w/ Ty Lawson.👀
The conversation of skill is missed placed. When ppl like Ant say comments about skill, what they are really referring to is fluidity of movement. If you watch basketball before 1984, there weren't many, if any players with non-stiff movement. Really, the first player to truly have fluid movement to their game was Isaiah Thomas, but his game was limited due to his size....etc. Jordan has the ultimate fluid movement game. His body moves and looks esthetically pleasing all while being fundamentally sound.
As the game evolved, everyone wanted to "be like Mike" and over time players have developed a more attractive looking play style. This style of play is based off of Jordan. EVERY "position" today is played with a 2 guards skill set. Where do you think that view of the game came from? Comes from everyone wanting to be like Mike.
The core of this "skill" conversation is not about actual basketball skill, it's about how ones game looks and that comes across them like they have skill. They don't. (As an example) Tim Duncan would destroy the players of today. Skill
Basketball skill comes in many forms. The game right now is watered down. And even with everyone having 2 guard or Jordan like movement to their games, no one can remotely even put up better numbers than MJ. MJ's rookie season numbers are almost identical to Kobe's MVP season. Let that sink in.
Took the words right from my mind
People just don’t want to admit it, but Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan broke the game of basketball with their play. Bird and magic elevated the game to even get it on live television and Jordan basically was able to run because they walked first. Because of the exposure of the game and international play everybody wants to be like Jordan and this all goes back to the Olympics overseas players getting to see him
I was with you until the Kobe part. Everything has context. Kobe made the Finals that season because he was bringing his stats DOWN to elevate his teammates. He had already gotten back to back scoring titles. It’s not always ONLY about stats.
@@J23LA24 fair
Well said and I agree
I watched the Lakers vs Celtic championship 1980,81 and 82 battles. I watched Jordan Bulls battle the bad boys of Detroit and sweep. I never stopped watching the NBA and can honestly say there is no comparison in entertainment and meaningful basketball. Todays game feels hallow and void of soul. Nobody cares about winning as a team. All individuals looking for clout and solo achievements.
Some of that is on the league 💯players play hard to win and then you rig a game or series against them why would the players play hard or for team🤷🏿♂️
🫡 Mr Charles keep cooking bro your channel is one of the best and a lot of other content creators and NBA players have sent much respect and love to your channel so keep cooking.
Adam Silver should've included Lebron in why the rules were changed. Lebron is bigger than Steph but he's evidently a weak player because he's always complaining about non fouls. The rules were changed so they could try yo help Lebron to be considered the face of the NBA. But they've failed miserably in lifting him past Jordan.
LeBron could play in any era.
@majorstack7214 and by continually forming stacked teams he proved that right smh he wouldn't last too weak
They let Lebron get very physical, but if you get too close to him when he's driving to the hole you get a foul.
I used to see Gil practice and play in DC. Straight up. Tickets were always free!
He says things that makes you shake your head
They say they are better, change of rules. Faster, rule changes allowing more ball movement and player movement. Stronger, the offensive players are allowed to commit offensive fouls and push defenders out of the way, illegally lower their shoulder, and hook people without a foul being called. They call them power plays...
Otis Thorpe
Buck Williams
The Davis Twins
Charles Oakley
Anthony Mason
Rick Mahorn
I'm not even naming centers, those are power forwards back in the day. The league is soft. The rebuttal from casuals will be those type of players don't stretch the floor and would be unplayable, but I counter that and say rule changes are at fault for that. And like Shaq mention they don't even run plays today just read/react and terrible shot selection.
Michael cage ,Rodney Roger's, X man, Derrick Coleman are a few more
News flash the USA of America has gone soft so everything are going to fall in line they got something call cyber bully What u watch tv grown men acting like a sissy and it's okay.
I haven't seen not one of these modern NBA players rip down an entire hoop hydraulics included.
We’re in the Fahrenheit 451 era, where history is erased
The history of everything in the world is being warped and erased
I appreciate your channel.
S/O to the content creator of The DREAMERSPRO Show. The 90’s is the best era. I also agree with The Big Fella. He used his abilities to play the game and doing so, won 4 NBA Championships with the Lakers and Heat.
What makes this argument flawed is the newer era tries to put the older generations into today’s modern game. If you notice you never hear them say if they could play in that era. They never speak on how rule changes have made scoring more of an emphasis. Similar to what the NFL has done, the NBA has followed suit.
The LeBalco Blames effect 💉💉💉
Humans don't evlove that fast. People think humans become stronger and faster every 10 years. 😂 🙏🏾
I stopped listening to basketball media a few months ago. 95% of it is garbage now. Its either LeBron is the goat, LeBron is not the goat, and this era is better and more skillful than the past. I've never seen a sport with such a toxic online presence where its players dont respect those who came before them enough to say "we're done with the 90s" or that theyre better than everyone who came before them. You wouldn't catch football fans or footballers (the real one) calling out players from the past.
Football players are too tribal to disrespect old greats
But they do that sometimes but deffo not in the same lvl as nba
Big facts 💯💯💯💯
In all honesty i believe players today are getting less athletic than before imo. Wilt chamberlain averaged 48.5 minutes per game in the highest paced era the league has ever seen. In today's nba, literally no one can give us 40 minutes a night. Its crazy that people claim players today are bigger, faster, stronger when none can even physically match a center from 60 years ago.
I'm not going to argue that athletes today are more athletic, but for you to use one outlier from the past to say they are LESS athletic is hardly scientific. Should I point to a guy like John Wall to claim modern players are faster? I'm won't say that, because he's one guy. What about Shaq? Shaq was probably stronger than Wilt. And Wemby can probably do things that Wilt could not. Let's not get confused by single data points.
@Qichar its not just wilt, it was the gold standard to average over 40 minutes. I mean did you even bother to look at other players of that season? Today, Derozan is currently at the top in minutes, yet 37.8 minutes isnt even cracking top 10 back then. 1962 was the higest paced season the nba has ever had, teams were averaging 118.8 ppg with nothing but 2s. They were running back and forth non stop. I doubt derozan would even last 37 minutes if he played back then.
We do not know who is stronger beween the 2 centers, but phil jackson, someone who played against wilt and trained shaq admits to wilt being the stronger player, even referencing how the lakers had to intentionally foul wilt so much that they had their hall of fame center foul out just to have a shot at winning, even stating how wilt would just lift him up and get his shots. And we know phil isnt baiased, he chose kobe as the hardest worker compared to jordan, even stating in live television jordan would probably get mad at him for stating that fact, but he doubles down on what he thinks is true.
@@mlmf2012 I got it, people are unhappy with "load management". But how is that related to being a better athlete? What is the definition of being a better athlete? If we set aside the NBA for a moment and talk SCIENTIFICALLY, people running the 100m have IMPROVED OVER TIME. Usain Bolt holds that record and he's MEASURABLY faster than people from the past. I would consider that a measure of athleticism.
Load management is a different matter entirely. That's about team's strategy to try and win the chip by keeping their best players healthy. Frankly, I don't think it's working, but I also don't think it's a good measure of athleticism or relevant to this argument.
Kevin Durant is the perfect example of weaker players. The guy doesn’t even lift weights.
THANK YOU IVE BEEN SAYING THESE GUY ARE NOT BIGGER FASTER OR STRONGER JUST A BUNCH OF NONSENSE TO PROP UP THIS SORRY NBA SMDH THANKS FOR SAYING AND DOING YOUR RESEARCH
Nobody will ever touch John Stockton’s records!
Shoutout to DreamersPro for mentioning Gerald Green. Super athletic 😮💨
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar , George Gervin, Michael Cooper, Jamaal Wilkes, Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton, Tayshan Prince thin players couldn’t play in the 80’s & 90’s 🤨 come on Charles
That Shaq still pic 😂 bro looks high asf, straight lit 🔥
I had to comment again because I was in tears with the Cupcake era 😂😂😂
How can one say that this era of basketball players is stronger when the level of defense is obscure? Kenny Smith is accurate about how players today are skilled. Yes, skilled like the globetrotters. Lol!
Cupcake Era 😂
Load Management is the evidence that this era is weaker than the 80s and the 90s.
Players back then, most of them played for almost 82 games every season.
The average NBA player right now especially the superstars play less than 70 games a season.
This era certainly does not have stronger players especially with all that Load Management
i anticipated nba games back then,now i only have interest during play offs,full of goofy celebrations just too stand out a lot of showboating unlike back then, raw emotions flowed when players celebrate
Gilbert was the poor mans John Wall.
But Gilbert could score
JJ Redick and Gilbert really can't speak on the physicality of basketball from the past... Yes they may remember taking a hit here and there but those two guys were actually trying to shy away from contact, plus they couldn't dunk on nobody so ??
It is a way to prove it players combine numbers are a thing
The three point line proves these players are more skilled why you think we haven't seen a repeat champion in almost ten years
Vince Carter just retired. He has played in 3 different decades. He said himself the league is less physical, which has helped him play longer.
They say that so those players can feel good about being baby.
Yeah, the Gerber Babies and partication trophy boys always need to be reassured about how "great" they are.
When people say that this generation is more skilled or athletic, they are talking about all the players in general not the top players which are outliners in any era. With this you need no test, its easy to see, the average NBA player is better than the average NBA player in the 80s or earlier. There are bench players in today’s game that would probably be starters back then. This isn’t just because of evolution either, scouts today also have more resources at their disposal to find the best of the best compared to back then.
Here’s a little education Embid can’t dominate in the post because the NBA implemented defensive, offensive 3 seconds in the key and 5 seconds back to the basket in the 2000s the 90s did not have those rules so it was easier to dominate in the post
And still we havent seen a more skilled player than MJ and Kobe
People are confused by the conditioning. Players today are conditioned like marathon runners so they look more athletic. Previous players had to be bulkier for the physicality so they appeared less in shape. Then obviously the rule changes make players look more skilled
This era load management, flopping, forming superteams, touch fouls, in season tournament 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
This Narrative is false..the Rules is bogus ....when Refs do call foul on certain players ..so Kyree most definitely Steph get banged up hand check all they above No Calls Where It all they do is hack players that's not talent or skilled .90s still avg more foul attempts ..the difference is Players shot better in all positions from 3pointers..
Reason why Nate Thurmond was big AF...
In terms of body size I've always said Kevin Durant was too small. Yeah he's tall but he was lanky he never had the muscle mass you'd expect of a guy his size. I always thought that's why he prioritized jumpers, still a hell of a player tho
The former NBA players need to get together and sue the NBA because they was far much better than the players today who is making all of this money
Its called NBA stats inflation
The NBA is completely different and it’s because it’s a business and ppl pay allot of money to go see their favorite players.
Gilbert Arenas's platform will do extremely well for a very long time as long as every other platform is constantly responding to something Arenas recently said on his platform, even though the majority of the time he's saying some stupid @ss ish that most people don't agree with, unless they're one of these New Jacks that believe pretty much anything that favors somebody they are a fan of, whether that person as an athlete is trash or not. I hope these platforms somehow find a way to find something else to talk about other than the next stupid thing Gilbert Arenas is going to say on a daily basis, which is how often somebody seems to be addressing or responding to Arenas now..its literally like damn near everyday now. Why constantly take time out of your day to address some stupid sh!t that keeps comimg from the same dumb@ss??
They have better trainers maybe due to vitamins, etc. Hence why so many suspended for PEDs, just wait. They will get Lebron
EXACTLY the peds will eventually come up soon!
Fastest POINT GUARD in history: ROD FOSTER, ROCKET ROD - UCLA BRUINS!
Wes Matthews was faster in my opinion
Wilt chamberlain had a 40 plus inch vertical
Hell look at how injured these players these always are every year.
Exposure at it's best
Ofc Shaq would be in the paint, he wasn’t allowed to do anything else coaching wise. Not that he would be able to in the first place, bruh would barely make free throws
As that lady commentator said recently, it's all marketing to try keep making money despite them cannot live up to the golden std of the past.
How can the players be stronger now, when now the players do more band work than actually push iron?
Shaq never even mentioned Gil
Players are actually less athletic now to then you can see it with your eyes guys used to be ripped and now literally nobody is ripped
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I mean is a debatable topic but I feel like someone how grew up watching 90's and 2000's basketball and love it and someone who also played in South America and Europe that all these rules changes are ruining the game as it was meant to be played (i don't watch the NBA anymore nowadays it is just a show not a sport), Luka say it clearly it is easier to score on the NBA than it is in Europe and you could see that on the last Olympics or anytime an NBA team plays a European team.
If you think majority of these players today couldn’t play back then you’re delusional.
These cats can't stay healthy enough 2 be great!!🥱
Ironically the players of the 90's and 2000's were actually bigger and stronger than the players of today.
Back then, a greater premium was placed on strength and athleticism due to the way the game was
played and called. Today guys can be built like Luka and still dominate, because defenses are handicapped.
Guys don't need to be freakishly athletic like Shawn Kemp to get into the MVP convo now. The NBA is more of
a finesse Euro style game. Today the WNBA is more physical than the NBA.
Don't forget Shawn Kemp, good luck finding a modern player as athletic as he was before the strike.
It's also amazing how much more skill you can have when hand checking isn't allowed, you can eurostep, and you can palm the ball.
Basketball players today wouldn't have survived the 90s and early 2000s
Today NBA is nothing but pick/screen on the offense end. Team do that to get a switch on a smaller and slower player. It's easer to scored when you get a switch or get the defender behind you on a pick.
Shannon brown had them bunnies
15 minutes isn't quick 😂
Getting paid Era
Best nba ever
Maybe a good compromise to protect athletes while adding back in the physicality ---- less whistle whistle whistle for some bs this and that, but also make the regular season shorter and potentially make it best of 5 not best of 7 in the post-season
ArenASS needs to get some new material ASAP!
THESE dudes playing "90s" Pro-Am ball" & thinks it Elite, youngens, compete & push the game FWD
Where did he expose the media? He didn't mention the media at all.
Guys like Anthony Edwards, Gilbert Arenas, JJ Reddick for some reasons claiming today's era of the NBA players are more exciting than the old era of the NBA and I don't think fully that they watched a lot of the old era like I did especially like Anthony Edwards for instance since he's really young player. The old era was physical, had the big fundamentals from the hook shoots, inside game, power dunks, etc. Also guys had the stamina, fortitude to play the 82 game schedule despite injuries and I didn't see them load manage like these players today are doing. most teams, players in this era shoots long range shots too much which doesn't excite me and bigger guys are doing this as much as the smaller guys. I haven't watched the NBA in almost two years because of the lack of defense by most teams, the star players load managing taking amount of games off, then the playoff series, games aren't as competitive in this era as they were in the old era when they were big rivalries in the 1980's, 1990's like Celtics-Sixers, Celtics-Bucks, Bucks-Sixers, Sixers-Lakers, Celtics-Knicks, Lakers-Rockets, Blazers-Lakers, Sonics-Lakers, Rockets-Sonics, Blazers-Jazz, Jazz-Rockets, Rockets-Suns, Lakers-Suns Bulls-Pistons, Celtics-Pistons, Bulls-Knicks, Knicks-Pacers, Bulls-Pacers that I watched with great emphasis. So these days the game has gone down in my mind compared to the old era.
It’s a facts MJ had a heavier max bench than Bron, It’s facts Wilt Chamberlain is the most powerful Basketball player in history so the bigger stronger faster crap is exactly crap.
Cobine data has been virtually the same since they atarted recording data. Thats as close as empirical you can get 🤷♂️
Damn, I guess Nick Van Axel and Penny Hardaway weren’t skilled
Anthony Davis in the 90s would have to be a center.
And he out injured all the time!
Street clothes Anthony doofus wouldn’t be able to play in the 80’s or 90’s. He falls down to the floor once a game as it is now when it’s not even physical. What would happen then? He would get mauled.
Here is some 'proof' for you.
There have only been two 'giants' as centers. Shaq and Yao. Both were over 300lbs. Now start looking at the centers in the 80s. Laimbeer and Ewing, both 240. The Chief and Kareem were 230. Wilt was 275. There were the centers that won in the 80s. Now look at the 90s. The Admiral was 235, Hakeem was 255, Mourning was 240. Yeah that sounds HUGE.
Joklc is 290. Embiid, he lies, he is over 300. Bam, who really should be a 4, is 255. Myles Turner is 255. Goebert is 260.
Now, think that through. The centers today who are playing all over the court are BIGGER than the centers of the 80s and 90s. But what you are right about is it is the rules. But I disagree with you about your interpretation of the handcheck. You can still handcheck a player. But, it is not the 94 feet. From taking the ball in to the defenses free throw line you can't hand check. But, if that player gets under the free throw line and turns the back to the basket, hand check away. If it is in the lower defensive box, you can handcheck regardless if the back is to the basket or not. This is in the NBA rules: official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/ B. Personal foul section 1.
The rule that really changed the game was the elimination of the illegal defense and going to zones. With illegal defense, you did have contact! Why? Go back and look at most of Jordan's plays. They were ISOs. He would get the ball on the outside of the 3pt line. Then 3 others would go to the other side of the court staggered baseline to beyond the arc. The last player would be down in the same side as Jordan in the baseline corner. How did the defenders have to play? Go watch some of that. It was comical. The 3 weak side defenders. They could keep one foot in the paint and one out. Then Jordan would do his 6 second dance to blow by the defender, then those weakside defenders would try and come after him. If Jordan felt he could get in, he would pull up for a middie. And Jordan was DAMN good at middies.
Shaq and UD are right. Today's game is read and react. Today's game requires something that the 80s/90s players rarely did. Very few players fight through a screen today. They just switch. In the 80s and 90s, it was all about getting through the screen, whether you went under or over it.
Alot of these hoopers today can run like deer, jump like deer but they also think like deer....mic drop
Gilbert constantly trashes the 90s era of basketball saying Jordan and Kobe didn't face anybody with talent. Does that include you too Gilbert?
David Thompson
Showboating dribbling is not skills. Coaches back then demanded fundamentals. You did that back then, you can go play for the globetrotters. You launch deep 3s, you can find yourself on the bench. Kerr and Mark Price were 50%-40%-90% guys.
Charles can we get hand checking back or something I'm at the point where if these dudes ain't scoring there's nothing good going for them. I don't get why people say this era is better than the previous. I'm not even that old and I know better than to disrespect the old eras
Can someone elaborate on why shaq stated “Luka may be the first 100 million dollar man”
maybe 100 million dollar in 1 year
@@edz79 that’s what came to mind but I haven’t heard anything of the sort