RUNWAY INCURSION at busy Las Vegas airport!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- A charter Falcon aircraft strays onto runway 19R, causing air traffic control to urgently call for a go-around by an incoming Cessna.
The incident was considered a "possible pilot deviation," leading to the Falcon pilot being given the dreaded phone number to call. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will almost certainly be involved in deciding what happens to the pilot for this egregious and dangerous mistake.
I really liked listening to the very professional air traffic controller. She is obviously very experienced and handles the traffic extremely well.
Being asked to call the control tower is usually not the big deal it is made out to be. The conversation consists of a brief discussion of what happened, and collecting contact information about the aircraft and pilot. That information is then forwarded to the closest Flight Standards District Office (FSDO), which carries out the follow-up investigation. While it certainly is possible to lose one's pilot certificate, this only happens in cases involving deliberate misconduct, repeated offenses, or egregious disregard for safety. The FAA's enforcement policy is not a punitive one, it is focused on education.
Indeed they act like he is going to get whooped after work it’s an incident which needs to be registered,discussed and investigated maybe the bars are not good visible for example 👏🏼
Well, for some pilots maybe it should be.
Exactly. And to determine how/why the incident happened, to see if something may need to be done to prevent it from happening in the future.
@@smaze1782 😂
I agree and let's be honest we should take any "facts" or speculation with a pinch of salt from a content creator that can't even get the airport name correct haha
Great catch! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Sure, no problem. Thanks for asking.
For such a highly technological development of travel and recreational craft, it boggles me at how horrible the radio sounds. For the most part the voices are low and quality of sound is scratchy. I’m surprised that there’s not more accidents just based on missed signals during conversations.
I work for a railway and the radio situation is soooo much better than this. It just doesn’t make sense to me is all.
It's the smallest common denominator that works really reliably on all (30 year old) planes and it's very simple. Also, creating a national standard for digital broadcasting is hard, how about an international one?
You did a great job explaining exactly what happened each step of the way.
yeah - I liked that education too. Since I am only an enthusiast - sure helps with the context.
Taxiway foxtrot is tricky if your not paying attention or familiar. Because of the displaced threshold of 19R it all looks like open taxiway. Regardless you always need to be looking for hold short lines and other cues. One day I was told to lineup and wait 19R from that hold short and almost taxied straight across to 19L because the threshold of 19R is down aways to the right, and out of sight. At least there was two of us, and my coworker caught my potential opps, since he was based there for years, and familiar. No harm no foul that day. Certain airports you really need to be on your A game. Probably would be a good idea for them to make it a Hot Spot🤷🏻♂️
*you're. The contraction of you are. It's really not difficult.
Great comment. There shouldn't be "tricky" with so much on the line
@@markfox1545 No need to be a d!ck about it though.
@@markfox1545 Actually, proofreading, particularly something longer than a half-liner, is bloody damn hard in UA-cam's horrible UI compared to, say, a normal text document.
And more on topic, I guess this incident's lesson could be "fix the goddam horrible UI of that airport"
@@markfox1545And yet you missed there “was” two of us. It’s really not difficult. That’s the problem with assuming the role of grammar police - you look the fool when you’r policing isn’t perfect. We all knew what he meant, and there was no need to put his writing down. Also, most of the time you’re correcting spell check.
Good situational awareness from the controller. Glad it had a good outcome.
This is cool when you can see exactly what is happening rather than just hearing coms.
Probably rolls stop signs, too.
In the pilot’s defense, it looks like the far runway has both in ground and elevated runway guard lights or Stop Bar lights while the hold short he crossed only has elevated runway guard lights illuminated. This may have given the pilot the false sense that he was not required to stop there. Add the fact that airfields outside the US have some differences in airport lighting and signage.
A pilot deviation report is completed by the ATC front office staff. It’s sent up the chain of command (FAA) and given to FSDO. ATC doesn’t penalize pilots, that’s FSDO duties. And really , not much of anything will be done except a notation on this pilots record. Paperwork.
Good job Lady Controller - we’ve all been there. ATC retired
That pilot COULD put in a voluntary call to the ASRS and POSSIBLY avoid penalties.
I was wondering what sanction a French pilot who was flying a Dutch aircraft could be subject to.
@@nicktecky55nothing
@@OOpSjmnot true, just more hoops to jump through.
Is it like a point system with Drivers License, after a certain points deducted within a period you lose your license? Asking as a non-aviation layman.
Something that you never want to hear from the tower.."possible pilot deviation"!
As a French person I've always been told that in order to become a pilot your English level had to be so good you could pretty much kiss your dreams goodbye unless you were taught English from a very, very young age. Needless to say hearing that strong ass accent from the pilot was a uh, surprise, lol
Foreign aircraft registration, foreign pilot. Calling "the number" would be a courtesy by the pilot at best, if he even bothers to call. The FAA can do nothing to a foreign pilot unless he also holds an FAA certificate.
It’s scary how many runway incursions are going on.
I suspect there have always been similar numbers, it's just that they are more readily available to see on social media and other platforms.
More so when Harrison Ford is flying haha.
Change the name of the airport back.
I would’ve been pissed being told to go around in a 172 on a 9,000 runway when she just could’ve told him to maintain visual, separation from the falcon, stay high and land long. Much smaller ripple effect for everyone.
Good comment
There should be smaller, less busy airports in the area to avoid this kind of issue. Larger, busier airports should be restricted to larger aircraft. Smaller airports should be for smaller snd personal aircraft. Too many times I’ve seen collisions, deaths, over stressed ATC’s from this solvable problem. Or the larger airports install a smaller landing strip for smaller aircraft. It’s so elementary.
There is another airport maybe 10 miles away at most Henderson Executive Airport, also one in north las vegas
You know damn well the folks in the tower were dog cussing the Uniform November Charlie pilot. "That dumb SOB." 😂
Holy crap. There's the accidentally going one inch over the hold line, and then there's this.
Holy PH-UNC. 😮
You win. 😂😂😂
I was just waiting for the phone number to be given out...
Same
Very well done by the controllers. I learned in my flight training that you never want to be asked to copy a phone number.
Would have liked to hear the Tower's taxi clearance, with the hold short instruction, and the pilot's ackowledgement thereof.
When ATC says "Hold" they are not kidding. Great job by the controller. Thanks much!!!
They were holding. Just at the wrong line
I was waiting for a slow, confused response in a Harrison Ford accent.
Definitely need to do some work on my antennas. I get a very poor signal from LAS at my location
PH-UNC is the private jet of the real estate billionaire Frank Zweegers. (36 on the list richest people in the Netherlands (out of 17.8 mil residents))
Being asked by the tower to copy a phone number is NOT bad news....
It simply means they would like to have a conversation about an event you were involved in. It is not getting yelled at or scolded or in trouble etc., etc.. It is simply a conversation. Where it goes from there is all depending on you, your actions, your demeanor, your knowledge, your awareness, what the event involved on your part. At most, yes the FAA may get involved and assign training on the matter, or if you're deemed by your own choices and actions to be unfit to fly, they will ground you, or at very worst case, suspend or take away your Pilots certificate.
Again, a phone number is just an inquiry to get your side of the story. The reason they have you call is so they don't tie up radio coms and so voices can be heard more clearly.
To state in the video that this is a bad or horrible thing is incorrect and fear mongering. It is misinformation based on fear. There is nothing to fear.
Unless you're a complete jerk.
As soon as ATC says "possible pilot deviation" that means paperwork is being filed by the tower. This was a runway incursion resulting in a go-around, which is considered a potentially significant event. This is 100% a bad thing.
Good explanation and video annotation, thanks.
That was a pretty PHUNC-y move for that pilot to do.
Yikes! Not the phone call! He got sent to the principals office. 😫 When you are responsible for so many souls - you listen hard! Better luck next time.
The controller was excellent!
Was this incompetence or a language barrier?
It looks like the FalconJet could make a 180 and get back on the taxiway
I was wondering why they didn't let it turn right on the 19R runway and let it vacate ar the next taxiway
First, it must be clarified that making a mistake that leads to ATC giving you a phone number does not necessarily mean that you are going to lose your license, as long as you have not caused an accident, of course, you must call Immediately or as soon as you arrive at your destination, an FAA inspector will ask you to report what happened and will review your file online to verify that you have not committed another incident like the one you committed, if the mistake you made did not put the operation, it can only give you a warning, in conclusion it is advisable to always be alert to the aerial operation and situational awareness to save ourselves a bad time.
While the pilot of PH-UNC is discussing his possible deviation, someone ought to remind him about standard radio protocols, which he failed to observe.
And what would those be? Remember this is a foreign pilot. ICAO is different than FAA although they are trying to align the two.
Thank you for posting. It would be interesting to see if there is any follow-up on this incident, putting forward the pilot's side of the story and any determination from the FAA.
@stevendoiron8951 speaking from experience ( retired controller) I can say probably nothing. If he is headed over seas he likely won’t ever call back and the matter will be dropped. Even if he is staying inside the country AND actually calls, if it was 4 or more hours since the event the controller might have gone home. In the mean time, before he calls if he fills out a NASA ASRS form the worse that would happen would be a follow up letter Ellington him to be careful. Since the form can now be submitted on line he could do it in the air and pretty much cut off any further action.
Probably not a US citizen or pilot so what would the FAA do anyway?
@@thud9797 Just because the pilot is not a US citizen does not mean the FAA can not restrict or bar a pilot from flying into the US as well as issue a fine. If the pilot is fined they may not be allowed to fly in US airspace until the fine is paid. Also, air carriers from foreign countries can't simply fly into the US without getting appropriate certifications and approvals. What this means is that not only can the pilot get in trouble with the FAA but so can the carrier. What happens with the pilot and carrier depends on the history. If the pilot doesn't have a history of violations they may just get a warning. Carrier will get notified about the pilot as well. If the carrier has a history of having pilots committing violations, the carrier may get a fine and or barred from flying in US. If they are fined they can't operate in the US until the fine is paid as well. So just because the pilot is not a US citizen does not mean the FAA can't do anything.
I’d like to praise the controller for her awareness and reaction more than bash the pilot. He knows he made a huge mistake and definitely won’t do it again.
He only knew about his mistake after she told him politely.
For people like me who aren't pilots but like to watch from the sidelines ... I assume those flashing red lights are the 'hold short' line. Why are there 2 rows before getting to 19L(?) or is that some sort of strange reflection? I just see one row on 19R. Do they stop flashing red (do they turn green?) when you are cleared to cross /enter the runway? If so, what mechanism turns them off, does the ATC have to deactivate them for each flight or is there some sort of automated system? I'm like a two-year-old with questions. I just find safety protocols (and how it's impossible to 'human-proof' them fascinating).
It’s a weird reflection on that second row. I’m based out of Vegas and there is no second row of lights at 19L.
I believe those lights are controlled by controllers and those lights will turn off, when cleared.
There is another set of those lights on the first part of the runway. Those are automated. Every time an airplane is detected on the crossing runway, they flash red and as soon as the airplane on that runway clears, they turn off.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 thanks
I appreciate the explanation. I enjoy learning more about all the 'rules of the road'. @@mr65136
What is the likely punishment for the pilot?
Hard to say. It’s entirely possible that their phone call cleared up some things that satisfied the controller not to take it further. It’s also possible that the controller wants to take it further and since these pilots are European, the FAA would transfer the case over to Europe.
Getting a phone number isn’t always bad, as was written in the video. Getting a number gives the pilots a chance to explain their side. Probably worse case is when this happens and you don’t have to call. That means it’s going to be reported no matter what and they don’t need to hear your side of the story.
Only time I’ve been given a number, the tower manager wanted to apologize to me for the way the controller mishandled my flight, that was a medivac flight and wasn’t given the priority that I was supposed to have gotten. So it’s not always a bad thing.
Drinking American coffee at the FBO. While it borders on an Eighth Amendment violation for "cruel and unusual" punishment in the eyes of Western Europeans, it seems like a fitting punishment in this situation.
@@brettstowell4029 LOL, not only is this funny, it’s 100% the truth. 😂😂😂
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 In your case, I'm pretty sure the ATC emphasized on radio that you weren't in any sort of trouble and didn't preface the phone number with possible pilot deviation. When you are given the number like in this exchange, you can count on it being bad.
Cool vid! Can i use it as part of my video? I will or course link it back to this and you will be credited in the video ❤
Thank you for posting, this is very cool! Can I use this in one of my future UA-cam videos? I will of course credit you in the video and description. Thank you and have a great day!
That's amazing. May I feature this in a video of mine? You will be credited of course in the description and video!
Abyssmal airmanship from NL 😂
Don't mess with Mama Bear!
What?
She's the ATC who gave out "The Phone Number".
@@thecomedypilot5894
NL " plots " notoriously clueless 😂😂😂 New word for incapable pilots 😂 (New coined ) free 2 use
it's as if the pilot has turned a blind eye to airport protocol. Fitting, don't you think, that it happened at Harry Reid International? 🤣
Awesome catch!! Can I feature it? Credited on screen and with a link back!!!
In the pilots defence the hold short bars in the video look like dog poop
Don't call that phone number. Speak to a lawyer before doing that.
Probably nothing will happen he’ll get yelled at and that will be yet do you think he really cares. They’ll just find another pilot to take his place
Why
Name
Change?
Geez
Imagine cost😂
you can see that the aircraft IS holding short of a line......It's just not the correct line. they are well past the hold short line and stopped at the runway side stripe which is in the runway restricted space. Somebody was definitely not observing and directing the aircraft at all times when in motion. Probably otherwise occupied with checklists or some such. Sloppy piloting procedures definitely!
Scary thing is no passenger knew the errors the pilots made.
Why is it scary? Pilots make mistakes every day and passengers haven’t a clue
@@LEVELGAZANOW I like your channel name.
@@LEVELGAZANOW some time they know like when you flight
destined for Düsseldorf in Germany has landed in Edinburgh
I would like to know that pilot are wake and not playing games
well this Dutch pilot at least did hold, some have not.
@@1BigBen I appreciate that curiosity and I fully understand trepidation brought on by the unknown. Feel safe in knowing that to be an airline Captain, particularly a long haul Captain, takes years to achieve and very few are willing to jeopardize their career by unprofessional behavior. Does it happen? I’m certain that it does but it is a very small percentage of flights throughout the world.
PHUNC....I thought for a while it was PHUC. And it was. I just flew out of Harry Reid today, I had a good time in LV.
You cant see what happens why is everyone saying you can?
Radio discipline is frightening poor people walking all over each other.
It's a Lottery in Las Vegas!
Loads of flashy flashy lights for the hold on 19L but only one or 2 for the hold of 19R, maybe needs updating ????
Im sure hell be calling rhem from the netherlands 😂
You heard the language barrier Does Not Understand,I learned that my first at Great Lakes Airlines
Remedial training yes definatly but loss of license id keep that one gor when theres been been crashes or serious incidents midair
Hands down 100% fatigue I bet.
The 'Incompetent Pilot Apologist FanBoy' awards goes to you, Sir!
Ooh ... the dreaded phone number.
1:53 lol... Pilot trying to say what he wants to do after that major F up... Controller wasn't having it. She says you are staying right where you are boy.
Say what he wants, what are you on about?
you have no idea what you're blabbering about. he was made aware he was behind holding bars and he suggested a course of action to vacate immediately. The controller had devised a different plan and instructed him to hold. Idiots like you are looking for drama everywhere..
He said he wanted to taxi on the taxiway, did you even watch the video?@@herobo123456
That’s typical Dutch
It's called offering a possible solution, aka problem-solving. It actually solves issues more often than hanging the mishap pilots by the balls, like many comments suggested.
there R no more pilots anymore.
Een flinke fout van de PH
JUST GIVE THEM SOMEONE ELSES NAME, THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME !
Whoopsies
4:11 yikes, no one would ever want to hear that
Gotta remember that if the BROKEN YELLOW LINES are on YOUR SIDE of the SOLID YELLOW LINE, then THAT hold LINE applies to YOU....
Uh, no... other way around. You can cross the yellow dashed lines, but need permission to cross the solid yellow lines.
OK but they are right there together with each other. I mean it isn't really possible to cross the brokens without crossing the solid yellow as well. If you have taxiid across a runway, when you get to the other side, the broken lines will be first , THEN the solid yellow which means that THAT hold line is NOT for you from THAT PARTICULAR position. If you are approaching the runway, not yet crossed it, then the SOLID YELOW will be first followed by the brokens; in THAT case, THAT particular hold line DOES APPLY to you and you need permission to cross that runway or to taxi onto it as the active. Yes?
Why did the controller have the aircraft remain on the active runway?
Its' path was blocked by two aircraft ahead of it, so it could not move until those aircraft had moved. The blocking aircraft were holding short of 19L, the runway further away from the camera and could not move until *that* runway was clear of traffic. Obviously it take a little while to arrange for all the necessary steps to happen in the right order.
These pilots are from Europe. FAA has no authority. Those guys probably never even called the phone number, just flew home to Europe.
You're right regarding FAA has no authority over them however the FAA can ban them from flying in US airspace !! and also the FAA would notify EASA over this incident I'm quite sure, you can't get away with it in aviation !!
They called the number. And if the tower wants to take it further, the FAA would contact EASA and they would refer the case to them.
@@antoinemifsud8781they will refer the case to the Europeans. I don’t think they will ban them. The FAA wouldn’t even know the name of the pilots when they fly into the USA again.
The French wait for NO ONE
WTF!!! Who passed him off?
I love how it's so common that there's a word for it
Pinhead
Landing with an 8 knot tailwind.
French Pilot, Dutch registered AC
Regardless of the nationalities (which doesn't matter at all), the common denominator for both, or all three, pilots is: Incompetence!
“I will let you go Ricky. But first I want to hear you say, ‘I love crepes.’”
Le pilote français en a rien a cirer de ton numéro de téléphone 😂
vraiment. c'est la vie.
Doh!
Crossing the 'Hold-Short' line at any airport without permission is NOT a mistake; it's INCOMPETENCE!
(I can give a pass to a student pilot; or even a Private Pilot, but these two, or three, pilots in a modern advanced jet like Dassault 7X...there are NO excuses!)
Sadly, what will happen is these guys/gals will fly back...FAA will talk to their CAA, or whatever their local governing body is...and nothing will happen to these foreign pilots.
Thanks I was wondering about that.
What’s supposed to be done? Fire them?
Have you ever made a mistake ? If not, please let me know your address so that I may send gifts to our new Messiah.
@@hb1338 right! I hate it when people act like they’re above making errors
@@hb1338 I make mistakes daily. I try to not repeat them. Every time I fly, I reflect on how I could have made it a better flight for my crew and our patient (I fly medical helicopters).
Can't see flashing red lights?
...more than that...Dassault 7X has one of the most advanced Flight Deck EFIS...and all the iPads with the latest runway information/map displayed along with that little 'green' airplane of yours...
I only see the elevated runway guard lights where he crossed while the far runway also has the in ground guard lights.
Just back up 😂
I just read that doing that using jet reversal while slow speed will blow dust into the engines and that is a no-no.
She is speaking too fast, with unnecessary urgency, perhaps some one is cracking a whipping on them in the control tower.
? Pilots, Which would YOU prefer in the tower, a slow speaking, clear confidant tower or a speedy pushing controller for ground control operations? Asking for a friend who flies in Alaska, spends his flights looking for places to put it down if need, and prefers remote Unmanned airports for landings.
That all said, it is hard work for all the Air crews and the controllers working hard to keep a safe and orderly operations of the airport.
Were the transmissions sped up or is that real time communication?
Real time I believe
@@Digidude1 That ATC is an absolute all star for keeping everything straight and calm.
She's excellent. @@mtnman1
@@Digidude1 Definitely seems like she’s on top of her game!
That's crazy! There was a huge accident at LAX because of a plane out on the runway when another was landing....that is the reason those red and green lines are built into other runways now...That accident caused the change.... There is absolutely no excuse for that mistake...it's not actually a mistake...it's almost mass murder!
Calm down and read the comment by an operational pilot that explains how the mistake can quite easily be made.
Um, take another look. It doesn’t appear those lights are at the hold short he crossed but they are at the far runway.
KLAS OPERATIONS, who are required by FAR to monitor Tower 24/7, should have ordered the fouled runway CLOSED for pilot safety.
Big miss.
@RedArrow73 As a retired controller I disagree. The tower had the situation in hand. This would be no different than if it was simply a matter of an aircraft being slow in crossing a runway. The only difference being that aircraft didn’t have clearance as far as this video shows.
I'm sorry, but your channel needs much improvement.
$100 bet says this guy never calls in.
Well that’s the end for that guy
It's always the French.
Darn tourists 🙄
Just throw the plane in reverse and everything will be just peachy...
That's what thrust reversers are for, right?
Therein lies the issue with folks like you…here we have a major safety issue that could have killed many in a fiery crash, and you just sit behind your keyboard trying to figure if there’s really something ‘funny’ about this.
Nowhere in this recording do I hear them being instructed to hold short. How am I supposed to believe it was the flight crews fault if your not going to include the audio of the alleged instructions.
You also don't hear the pilot being instructed to cross the runway (until much later). ATC instructs them either to hold short or to cross. Unless there's an emergency, they will never instruct a pilot to park on an active runway like this guy did. It's obvious the pilot was not paying attention.
The audio comes from a scanner that is monitoring the two tower frequencies at LAS. It does not monitor ground control, and if the two tower frequencies are active at the same time, only one of them will be heard. Therefore, some ATC traffic is missed in the audio. But it's hard to see how the pilot could not be at fault here.
I hate landing at big, towered airports. Always the same shit.... those "tower people" bossing you around. I don't mind landing at Oshkosh during the big EAA AirVenture fly in (the busiest airport in the world for that week). They talk to you; you don't talk to them. Not even one word.
yep its call Air Traffic Control for a reason...they do the controlling...it's not a democracy!
Thank you! Please stay away from 'big-towered' airport. Rather than improving your own skills and abilities, you'd rather just blame they system that works wonderfully for hundreds of thousands of 'informed' and educated pilots!
Ummm... I may be wrong, but at 1:49, the plane circled has crossed the hold bars... but it looks like he is at the END of the runway, as in getting ready for takeoff... as there is no runway to the left of him... however the plane in front of him IS sitting smack bang in the middle of either a runway, or a taxiway. Are we talking about the correct plane here? Just wondering.
Misleading title
How is it misleading?
thats my latitude in front of him. Heard the whole thing....Read, write and understand english needs to be enforced.
Agreed. But, what would you say to thousands of US pilots, who are fluent in English, doing the same...or even worst (landing on a taxiway, wrong runways, even wrong airports)?
@@fahadfaisal7855 ive never had trouble not crossing a active runway or understanding instructions. Some people just shouldnt be pilots.
@@tomdick693really you must be special. Every pilot I have ever flown with has had trouble understanding foreign controllers speaking English.