Deep Dive into How the MK8 is Different from the MK7
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2021
- The MK8 GTI is coming to America very soon!! In this video, we take a deep dive comparing the parts found in the MK8 GTI to the ones used in all the MK7 models. We uncovered some really interesting things about the MK8 GTI, so please enjoy this very in depth video!
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How do you get the part numbers ? I can find gti but not clubsport ones.
I'm so giddy with Volkswagen Nerd talk. Thank You Paul👍
No.... thank you ua-cam.com/video/GWbz_mIAShM/v-deo.html
I still think the Mk 7 looks better...
Tremendous video as always Paul!
Many people thought the Mk6 looked better than the Mk7 too. It'll grow on ya.
@@n0ly77and it did
Essentialy a mk7 clubsport with a better turbo, different styling, and worse interior.
Watch the Savagegeese video on the Mk8. They were blown away by the improvements in driving dynamics over the Mk 7. I don't think the interior is worse, just different. I don't like it at all, but I'll take it, as long as they make the digital interfaces mostly glitch free. Right now my MK7 is running fine, so it'll be a couple of years before I even consider a MK 8. They should have the bugs worked out by then.
@@johnstone7697 it is worse and different. But it being worse is not an opinion, but a fact. It's laggy, touch buttons aren't as precise as physical buttons, you don't get the same feedback from touch controls as you do from physical controls, touch controls are more distracting than physical controls and VW also has taken some functions off the dash and hidden it in the settings of the infotainment center which aren't nearly as convenient to use as they were before. So you have the interior that is slower, more distracting and less convenient to use. it's not user friendly.
Cars interior is one of the most important aspects of a car. i'd wait for at least a facelifted mk8 gti because the problems with the current mk8 interior aren't just software based. Your money though.
@@povilasmarveloustv3810 This. So much this. We live inside the car, not the outside, and when the inside is awful the whole car is awful. I was stoked for the mk8 but now I am not sure I will ever leave my mk7.
@@rogeld6677 I agree with you. The better power is nice. It may very well be a better drive. With all that said i prefer buttons on my steering wheel. Honda did this just a decade ago and there was so much back lash about going buttonless. I do not like the new interior. The only thing I do like are the full lcd screen for the driver and the fan cool seats. They should have been added in the 2020 model when the Golf R was discontinued. I'm in need of a new car. I was seeing if i should wait or pull the trigger now. After seeing the new GTI I'm not happy with what is being presented. When i drive i feel around for the correct button. I do not need to look at my steering wheel.
@@johnstone7697 they also completely forgot about the much more aggressive rubber on the Euro market Mk 8
That's one thing I like about VW: due due the company's large size and volume, and parts sharing, parts are readily available for a long time.
they're masters at that. you can take a motor from 1998 jetta and easily stuff it into the front end of a 1976 scirocco using a LOT of off-the-shelf parts. and mk2/3 swaps are soooo easy that it's almost silly
I still find parts for my mk2 golf! I admit it is hard to find things like mufflers and stuff though
For sure.
Imagine, that the MK6 was aMK5 with some different Head-and Backlights.
@@figlinn this is why they sell like crazy
I’m sure the 8 drives very well considering it’s pretty much a club sport in that aspect. The interior, electronic e brake only, and other stuff just crush the looks in my opinion. It just makes me want to keep my MK7 that much more.
Welcome to the future man. Thats just how it goes
Same. I'm keeping my 7.5 till the bitter end. Better interior, less polarizing styling. With even a mild tune the stock power difference is meaningless. And while you can likely get more power out of the stock internals on the mk8, I was never interested in pushing the envelope anyway
@@thrashingjustin Yup. Hate all the screen based crap, but I assume you just get used to it, like anything else. The MK 7 interior is fine, but I've never been overly impressed with it.
Same! My dsg shifter is not an option!!!
Mk8 is already out in Europe so I can say that the mk7.5 gti drives better than the Mk8. And the interior is worse and you see cost cutting in the Mk8. MK 7.5 was the best golf.
Mk8 GTI has a Garrett-Turbo..The 7 has a IS20 turbo. The 8 has 350 bar injection pressure against 150 bar in the 7. The 8 has also revised pistons and completely revised engine parts and exhaust. The 8 has also better aerodynamic. Tests in Germany against a lightely moded 7 TCR with 305 hp shows that the 8 GTI accelerate nearly as fast then the moded TCR!!
Yeah but still will take a 7.5 over the 8 just on the interior alone. Power is subjective do to mods on either model. Stock vs Stock with the same tires we have seen at the track the 2 are neck to neck and these are DSG equipped cars. Sometimes the numbers don't tell all.
@@eppyz The 7 is no match for the 8 concerning drivetrain and chassis. If both are stock the 8 will destroy the 7 on the track.
@@eppyz Not everyone will modify the car
@@raven0666 is that because the 7.5 has the cursed - undefeatable TC/stability/Nannie controls that interrupt my fun EVERY day I drive it. I would love my car IF ALL forms of Nannie controls could be 100% defeated. It's terrible. Ok, beyond terrible. U can't do a burnout when at the track cause these systems are so intrusive. My MK7 is/was fully defeatable, I hope one day my MK7.5 will be the same. Four years in and no-one has come close to cracking it, so I won't hold my breath....
@@allin4once I had an 7R before my 8R. Its huge the difference. The 7R has nothing to counter on the perfornance plan. Nothing. Even with preparation (Stage1 or Stage2) the 7R cannot escape an stock 8R. The 8R has a mighty machine.
Honestly, kind of pumped for the MK8 now, and the styling has definitely grown on me.
Paul, you and the boys put together some great content....i LMAO on most videos. Thanks for a combination of great entertaining and educational content. Looking forward to see you guys take on the MK8.
These videos are pure gold! Keep being great!!!!
“The MK8 bottom end can now hold more power then the previous model”
***Do you think it could hold up to a 100 shot of NOS?***
Anything is possible....
Try it and let us know 😂
No
I appreciate VW's dedication to keeping mk7 resale value sky high. They really went above and beyond.
I appreciate them coordinating the mk8 release during Covid and a chip shortage, making the outgoing mk7.5 virtually impossible to find/buy.
@@CG-rb4xo lucky me I found US spec gti it had accident in front but it was replace with golf r front bumper and mk 7.5 head lights you know how much I got? For 9,000 I’m not even joking I was suprise that a gti cost 9k and it’s 2015 model and only has 75k miles on it and I’m getting it tomorrow I’m so excited 😆
@@kinggamer-vb5yj Nice! Lucky you. Definitely
@@CG-rb4xo it’s definitely a bargain it had accident in front I think so the front of it has head light of 7.5 and front bumper of the R it’s really a bargain for gti for 9k I can’t believe it just have some faith you gonna find one like me I didn’t have faith luckily for me my cousin it last mine I was gonna buy like other car found this gti for cheap and clean always wanted mk7 gti or r but hey gti is still good looking and fast and it’s gonna be my first car I can’t believe it good luck founding one wish you the best
@@kinggamer-vb5yj thanks!
Good video bro, thanks for putting in the time in order to share the knowledge, I did like how you guys were comparing side by side info
Wow this had to take a lot of research, thank you very much!
So informative 💪🏼 🔥
Why can't car comparisons be as entertaining as this?? The MQB platform is a game changer for VWAG...
Great comparison video
I'm not sure how I got to this channel. How did I get to the point where I keep up with this channel and humble mechanic, I don't know anything about these cars or what any of these parts are. I'm glad the new car looks exciting, thats good and I'm glad I watched
Nice video and format!! made me laugh a few times. Looking forward to the release of the MK8. Also, Thanks to Megan 13:30 for helping give this video credit!! haha j/k I'm a huge fan!
I'm digging the upgraded parts but hope the MK8 grows on me aesthetically, the MK7 looks so much better imo.
It looks way better in reality in my opinion. (But still the MK7 is my favorite as well as its sleeker look is more after my taste)
I went and test drove one a few days ago and I have to say it looks much better in person than in pictures, even better than the Mk7 in my opinion.
This is also controversial, but I thought the interior was pretty good as well. Again, it looks and feels much better in person.
I have a MK7 and just sat in the MK8. The interior did not look as bad as I thought it would. That said I still don’t like it, however the seats were a little more roomy and comfortable.
After a few months in the mk8, mk7’s look old/dated to me.
Not gonna lie, I like how it looks and I actually do like the interior, I am gonna get one
Why would you lie? This fad of starting every sentence with this phrase needs to end.😏
I personally like the mk7 looks better and mk7.5 looks even more, but I am glad to hear there is someone who likes the mk8. I feel like nowadays everyone just decides to throw shade at any new car that comes out which I find really annoying. Personally I don't think the mk8 looks as bad as everyone says, and if someone handed me one instead of a mk7, I would nearly worship that person either way cause Golf is Golf. I wish I had a GTI at all.. :( I'm currently saving up for a mk7(cheaper than mk7.5, otherwise I'd get the 7.5) though! It's gonna take me over a year from now but I'll be in the drivers seat before I know it!
Thank you for this vid. This a great vid.
I love your videos! 💯
Love the videos! Any recommendation for the front license plate mount?
Yes, I am watching this video in the future.
Cool video great idea.... looking forward to more Paul.... how's that scirocco vr6?... ready to do a 4 motion swap? And turbo?
Awesome stuff!
I think I need to rewatch and take notes.
Love this Paul
All about my car i see it here this channel is awesome 😎
I've been told the head of VW R&D recently got "let go" and reading between the lines, it was due to the silly decisions reference ergonomics in the interior. They now have a former Porsche guy in his place.
That interior definitely needs to get at LEAST one senior person fired.
@@Daniel-dg3np agreed. The interior is a clusterfuck. If you're going to cut costs at least try and be descreet. Especially in the U.S. where VW never seems to exactly know what they're doing... and not to mention on one of their most beloved cars. Guarantee the folks driving Tigs and Atlases are not quite in the same fanatic league as their GTI bros and sisters. I drive a MK7 and really like 'Dubs but I swear when it comes to really knowing their demographic VW has their head up their ass most of the time.
Here's to hoping they redo the entire interior and front of the car. Interior is super cheap looking/feeling. Mk7 Interior had a lot of soft touch materials, was built really well. New one just feels like a Kia Rio with a digital dash. It's sad.
@@TheCompyshop As I understand the illuminated red lit doorstrips as well as the jams were discontinued as well. Those aline stated GTI. There WERE certain details and nice touches as you mentioned that really gave the car an upscale feel beyond it's category. The MK8 interior isn't horrible but...if ya know better especially compared to its predecessor - yep, it's a step down. Headscratcher...
@@audieconrad8995 Yea it's a really huge disappointment. I'm going to be buying a MK7 soon and not looking back. Lets hope by the MK9 they figure it out
I gotta come up for air. A lotta info here, but all good to know and appreciate. You can rest now.
Paul,
Do you have any video content or anything on diagnosing differentials? Like how to tell if if it is going bad on an audi?
Another solid vid. You forgot to mention the cool new under aero, visible in the Savagegeese(sp?) vid. What about the knuckles? CSS? Is that where the additional 1deg of camber is from?
GTI has Different knuckles the Clubsport MK8 GTI gets the same Knuckles as the MK8 R so this will be a retrofit for GTI owners fo shooo
The mk8 officially released today in South Africa
The head unit and dash / no buttons are still a no go for me. Think ima just buy a 7.5 true and tested and maybe pick up a 8.5 years from now lol when they add “buttons” back from the soon to be negative feed back
True that. The "no buttons" interior (plus the still quite buggy infotainment software) were the reasons I left GTI land after owing a Mk5, 6 and 7 one. The Mk8 might be faster and better in many mechanical aspects, but if the stuff you interact with every day (interior quality, controls) are annoying, it can be a real deal breaker. I am in A class AMG land for now, let's see what the next Golf model or refresh will bring.
4:33 camera man scratches his leg with his other foot
Your turbo analysis sounds right. Sounds like less top-end power to me, but faster spool. Makes sense, that's the way the industry is going.
Yeah..."it ain't how fast it'll go - it's how fast it'll get there."
@@audieconrad8995 torque is good, but this will limit aftermarket tuning on a factory turbo imo. You'll get good area under the curve, but you will be limited in power by the amount of exhaust gas you can push through without overspining the turbo.
@@karltaht2370 yep good point spot on. I've got a '17 MK7 with stock turbo and a stage-1+ Unitronic tune. What I really noticed (appreciated) was not only the better low end quickness because of the copious added ft.lb.(now @ 345) but the additional top end pull above 80 mph. A good balance all'round without changing to the 38 and doing all the other mechanicals...
Can be fun but a potential can of worms...and $ lol...
Drive Tribe guy
old comment but my mk8 GTI pulls all the way to redline. Doesn't feel like any drop off in acceleration. Haven't driven a mk7 but a mk6 GLI and that definitely died up top.
Someone who's an engineer here and definitely agree with your statement on the turbo charger either being larger on the mk8 or they just wanted a tiny bit less lag 👌
When was the latest revision of the thermostat/water pump housing made? Just bought a 2017 that had a replacement installed back in 2020. Would that be the latest revision that’s less failure prone?
Also, how do I identify turbo revision? I’ve heard those had issues until later revisions as well. Would rather fix that sooner rather than later so my turbo doesn’t grenade my engine.
I was expecting Paul to start with: 'This one is for the geeks' :-)
Another very interesting comparison video, much appreciated. Many upgrades for the Mk8, but it's a pity that VW dropped the indirect manifold injection, which was standard on Mk7 GTI (and Rs) over here on the east side of the Atlantic. That carbon build up on direct injection-only engines can be pretty bad after very limited mileage.
In the future I am hoping to see a 3rd video in this series called Mk8 GTI vs MK8 GTI Clubsport. As with Mk7 Clubsport models, it has the engine from the R model, just slightly de-tuned from 320 to 300HP. Episode 4 can be MK8 GTI Clubsport vs Mk8 GTI Clubsport Edition 45 ;-)
I'm still not a huge fan of the front, but I'm happy to see them bring the clubsport stuff to the new GTI. I'd like to drive one and see how it feels
Same here man... The front is more sloped, and less angular than the mk7. And yes, the clubsport exhaust is the best.
awesome video
For someone that is not familiar with the Golf series. MK8 looks more modern and stylish inside and out....
Still love my MK7.5 GTI TCR
Good evening I would need your expertise and your knowledge to help me if possible I installed the threaded combination on my golf mk7 a lot of strange noise at the level of the shock absorber cups, I had to change them twice as well as the connection bar ball joints, the suspension ball joints the stabilizer bar rods rulers and link arms so the front axle is brand new I even added a strut bar the car hits when I drive on a slightly degraded road, when I climb on a 2 cm sidewalk when I steer at this stage I spent a lot of money and the worst part is that the noise continues please if you have any idea tell me which one it seems to me that there must be a part missing between the cup and the shock absorber to perhaps limit the noise thanks in advance
Paul when are we going to see the mk7 turbo upgrade video?
Still a huge and more fan of the Golf mk7 & mk7.5.
Overall material quailty feels better. They look better and has the Golf characteristics.
Main problem for me is that newer cars are made worse than before and arent made to last, I see that the mk7.5 has some reduced cost with inusulation and have squeaky interior which mk7 doesn't have... found it it depends on models, market & factory.
Currently owning a mk7.5 and a mk7, 7 is my favourite
The edit and humour is getting better all the time ..I spend as much time laughing as I do taking in the info ..
How much power can the MQB a3 handle on Is38 FBO stock internals?? power limits etc..is 380/400whp possible?
Are the mk8 front callipers the same as performance pack mk7 just without the GTI name plate?
Mk7 gli owner here. Wow this is alottt more different then i expected. Theres a certain beauty about late model mk7s and mk7.5s being that everything on the car has been around a while and proven. With all the different mechanics of the mk8 i personally would not buy it for a few years or a refresh as you dont know how much stuff is gonna be faulty and need an update/redesighn. Thats the only thing that sold me on the gli is that its mechanically the same as a mk7 gti Pp which has been around along time and there have been multiple parts that have undergone updates-ie water pump. Early model cars almost alwaysss have more problems then you want regardless of what brand/vehicle. But it sounds like the mk8 would be alottt more fun to drive!!!
Edit: asp bery important in that being this new 2 things are going too happen 1good, 1bad: bad is that apart from things that are the same as the mk8 the new mechanical stuff is gonna have a much higher price tage too fix/ replace aswell as possibly some aftermarket hiccups figuring out what can fit the car. #2 a very good thing!!! A common theme is that parts for older generation cars get cheaper!!!! Thats a very good thing if you hate spending money but love modifying your car; oh and also when your car breaks of course..that too😅😂
So basically they almost just made the Clubsport/R the new normal GTI
Hey. Can you confirm that new HPFP on the MK8 operates at 350 bar? Cause that's a lot. It's more like 1500 psi higher than an upgraded HPA HPFP for a MK7 car.
Nice video DAP! That mk7.5 on Pretoria’s looks super good. Anyone know the suspension on the mk7.5?
He’s on air that car was near the top
I looked at a Golf 8 Gti, is also has RS3 ignition coils. The MK8 also has no rear resonator.
Anyone know what wheels are on the mk7.5? They look sweet
Look like Pretoria’s
@@LSD04 thanks man
Pretoria's, 19 inch.
I had a 2020 jetta with the electronic ebrake and found myself forgetting to engage it. I was too used to the manual handbrake.
Manual is always better than electronics..
It engages itself.
is it true that there is a lag in the torque delivery on the mk8 that was absent in the mk7?
Spend all the money to save 6lbs. I'll just go on a diet. 😂
1:52 I'm telling Megan you touched it.
I went from my mk7.5 to the mk8 and I love it
Does the mk8 VW rear badge fit on a mk7? I’d like to stick the new VW logo on the boot handle of my car. Thanks for all your videos!!
So is the Club Sport GTI more aggressive, and more importantly is it lower???
Will non performance package brakes from a mk7 fit in the mk8 ?
Does anyone know if the catback is the same?
That engine cover 😬
its big huh?
It's fugly... the whole car is fugly😬💔
That is a safety feature as it's pliable whereas the previous one was solid plastic.
MK8 OE spring kit for a MK7? How much would it lower 🤔
I'm still in a love-hate relationship with the new headlights on the MK8..
On other news.. I had the same thought as you but reversed, regarding the turbo. I think it's essentially the same diameter, but the longer shaft on the MK8 gives more velocity for the exhaust gas to spin up the spool and create more suction on the fresh air side. But I'm pretty sure there will be engineers explaining this in other comments. Thanks for the cool vid!
Thanks Paul for the video. Waiting for that MK8 Golf R Brake swap video lol.
What's the timeline on when we can expect MK8s in the US?
Thank you for the in depth comparison. I'll be sticking with my 7.5 and see if the Mk8 design grows on me. More importantly where can we find that cool GTI shirt Megan is wearing?
🔥🔥🔥
But cool of VW to allow you to have access to the car.
being a VW/Audi used parts recycler/seller i freak out on these videos involving VAG part numbers!!
Sounds like the mk8 gti is a mk7 clubsport with a new body
Great video! I'm waiting to see what they have to say about the 8Y RS3. I wonder if they did away with port injection
do you know why some mk7 models have single red stipe ih headlights and others have two? Please respond
Great video, the fender audio in the MK7 sounds better the HC in the MK8, just saying.....
Is it true that the new mk8 gti is the same as the EU mk7.5, and the differences here are between the US versions only ?
So sad they discontinued the Scirocco 😭
That was the most beautiful sporty hatchback VW ever done. Still holds up. I don’t understand the lack of sucess of that car.
Rhymes with Haldex
FedEx deliver that turbo to the wrong address. Unfortunately, this situation happens all the time.
"Not the prettiest girl, but she feels good"
Truer words have never been spoken
😆...... plenty of DUDES have SAID this
Mark 7 remarkably reliable car? Also thank you for making this video.
Yup certainly the most reliable in many years.
@@Deutscheautoparts I am interested in the mk8, but I'm worried about reliability. Is there anything from mk7 that might translate to mk8 that I should be worried about?
@@tofubeanz The MK 8 is a far superior car in every respect than the MK 7/7.5.......
Look at 5:07, another reason why this interior is a bummer! look at all those finger prints!!!
Dirty fingers..........
Dear Paul,
Do we think it is possible swap a Mk7.5 dash and steering wheel into a mk8?
Thanks,
Matt F
This is not possible.
I just want them seats in my mk7.
Is the exhaust system identical.
No
Exterior...it grows on me...i like it...
Interior...digital disaster...facelift-material...
So glad to hear they carried over the Tophats from the mk7….which means they will be toast every 20k miles
Do MK8s use the same size wheels and tires as MK7Rs?
Wow so no drag race?
I want the interior plastic from the 2022 model in my 2023 model. The black shiny plastic around the shifter doesn't look as good as the flat grey imo.
Put a twin turbo 3.6 VR6 in a MK8 GTI now that's a HOT HATCH!
Turbo wise it’s smaller except for the compressor outlet 🤨
Mk7 front end swaps hopefully will be a thing.
I wouldnt count on it
Dang the headlights dont have the red strip in them. A darn shame
You can get it but its an optional extra...US spec cars are always low spec compare to EU
It's taken VW 8 generations of the car to try and match what Honda have been doing with the Type R brand.
And they still haven't quite managed it.
Not realizing that the original GTI is actually the grandfather of the civic SI/type R or pretty much any modern sport compact. The fact that Honda had to make Si as a middle child option before the fk8 gen means that the GTI forced Honda to catch up.
Btw what happened to those 10th gen civic issues like A/C issues, oil dilution and gear grinds (especially for the type R)? Oh wait you Honda fanboys just sweep those issues under the rug because "hOnDa iS ReLiAbLe!" 😂😂
@@WitchYuki22 I'm not talking about previous versions. The Mk1 Golf GTi was a groundbreaking vehicle, although the Talbot Sunbeam Ti was a better car only 2 years later. and the Sunbeam Lotus another year after was the ultimate hot hatch with 150bhp, blowing the Golf into the weeds.
In the same year 1976, Renault 5 made an 'Alpine' which was just as fast and handles better, so not sure the Golf could be the 'godfather' of the hot hatch thing.
The Lancia Beta HPE from 1975 a year before the Golf, was a hatchback, and had a 2 litre twin cam, much more powerful than the Golf.
The Alfasud Sprint was also released in 1976.
There is an argument for the 1974 Simca 1100 Ti being the first hot hatch, but either way, the Golf wasn't first.
Oh and I'm not a Honda fanboy at all, so your trolling was way off the mark son, never owned a Honda in my life.
My avatar should have given you a clue, it's my current car a BMW OG M2.
I am a serial BMW owner for the past 15 years, and before that had all sorts from Fords, Vauxhalls, Renaults, Saabs, Morris, Hillman, Nissan, and dozens more.
Passed my driving test in 1986.
@DjNikGnashers and is there any of those hot hatches still around these days? That's what I thought lmao
Don't backpeddle now. Your original comment was about VW catching up to Honda in terms of sport compact when in fact, it was the other way around
@@WitchYuki22 I think you meant 'are' any of those hot hatches around these days.
Well the Honda Civic came out in 1972, a LONG time before the Golf, and it's still around.
You misread my 'original comment' maybe because you are a bit thick, and not able to understand basic English ?
The Mk1 Golf isn't around now is it ?
It wasn't the first hot hatch, and it wasn't the best, as I have proved.
Every newer version of the Golf, has been outclassed by other brands and models. The Civic (seeing as you want me to talk about Honda), 4th generation had a fantastic SiR in 1989 which was much better than the Mk2 Golf as the Golf had been around since 1983 and was well behind the brand new Civic. Lets not even talk about the Mk3 Golf in 1991, as it was a proper pudding, an absolute turkey.
The Civic has been ahead of the Golf ever since.
Does the higher fueling numbers mean... E85 tunes on stock fueling might be possible? 😯