Excellent lesson for us all. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the instruction. The other thing you can learn from this video is how quick you can get out of it but doing the correct thing. Remarkable how fast this was corrected and that actually says a lot for Trikes. These wings are very responsive and that can work both ways.
Unfortunately, my last CFI, Bedo, taught me that you can't spin a Trike. He was with a student for his sign off flight for the student to take his checkride when they apparently did a steep turn at 500' and spiraled into the ground. Even if Bedo knew to pull back (doubtful), he hadn't bothered to put the training bars on the student's Trike. Yes, a quick turn when low and slow can turn into a death spiral.
Looks like a slip/stall to me. A heavily loaded wing in a steep bank angle. What they did to pull out of it was the solution. It wasn't a "wind gust". Airspeed and angle of attack needs to be considered when you are heavily loaded. It's easy to get used to how your wing responds when you are solo but put a heavy passenger in the back seat and do steep turns and your wing will respond much differently. This is the maneuver I use to lose altitude fast after aerotowing to land and pick up the next glider. I'm glad it turned out ok.
Thanks for sharing this!!! Regardless of whether or not we THINK we're susceptible to these things, it's a great reminder. Now to rehearse this up high so the reaction is (more?) automatic.
Amazing video Henry! I thank all of you guys for sharing this. When I saw this on your cell phone I was just in aww of what a close call this was! As a very new pilot, I look to all of you for experience and advice. This video is priceless and all Pilots regardless of experienced level should take the time to pass this on to fellow pilots. Most of all, I'm really glad you and Ken survived it. Thank you for sharing Henry :)
Glad it ended well! I watched video on how to recover,not sure i would have done the job you did.Saving two lives!! And hopefully a lot of other pilots lives! Dennis
I am glad you all made it through that experience -- and now, because of that and all of your contributions (Larry, Paul, Henry and Ken), I bet a lot of people's lives will be saved from that simple maneuver. Excellent job folks! I can't wait to join the trike community! Lottery wouldn't hurt! Hahaha....
Thanks for sharing Henry! Excellent instruction at the expense of a very real scare for you! I am a trike pilot but only have a plane for now. Will get back into trikes at some point later but I wont forget what you went through. Fly safe & btw, I LOVE your videos!
Paul, Henry and Larry. Hi Guys, I have now watched this 4x. I just noticed something and have not see anything by anyone mentioned about it. Meaning it is trivial and of no importance...or maybe it was over looked like I did 3x before! So, either correct me if wrong if it is not a contributing factor, or let me know if I saw something no one else noticed and brought light to. I just noticed in the video and didn't see it until the 4th time. Ken has both hands on the lower control bar. At 0:42 seconds, Ken's RIGHT hand comes off of the bar. A second later at 0:43 he places it on Henry's RIGHT training bar. From 0:43 seconds all the way to 0:49 seconds, :06 full seconds into the turn, Kens left hand is on the main control bar, but his right hand is on the right (Henry"s) training bar. Now, I am a low time pilot and have not been up in about 5 years (that's about to change) but isn't this unequal pressure adding a built in spiral dive? If he is pushing out on the bar, even all the way, isn't his left extending further than that of the right creating more degree built in on the turn? Even if HE was to pull back, I'm thinking he would not be pulling back equally and not getting a full on neutral until Henry intervened!? Am I wrong in this assumption that left hand on the main bar and the right on the training bar creating a built in added added spiral and dive? I see at 1:09 - 1:12 his hand was on the training bar even with Henry's hand there too until it finally came off. Again, if the placement of hands from the PIC is trivial and not contributory, then tell me. But, if that is added piece just now seen, please let me know. Thanks. Mark
The same thing happened to me. I spotted a bald eagle in a tree and came around for a better look. In no time I was in trouble. When I leveled out I was 8 feet above the dirt! Rule 1 is FLY THE PLANE! I got fixated on the eagle . I try to practice emergency procedures every time I fly. I love to do spot landings where I cut the power, find the best place to land and then set up to do it. Often times I don't land but I know I can put the plane where I want to. Fly safe my friends and practice those emergency procedures...
That could have ended up as another fatal accident report. Great work guys, glad you recovered to fly another day. I fly three axis but fancy flex wing too, looks like a lot of fun when respected.
for the plane pilot that flight a trike Consider that you, the pilot, you are the stick . This is the only maneuver to loose altitude very fast in trike, it is in fact a lateral stall. You should not forgot than when you have a big bank then if you go away of the bar(equivalent of pulling the stick) you close your turn so if you are in lateral stall engaged in a right turn to get out of it go as close as possible to the bar(equivalent of pushing the stick) and in the same time go to the left side of the bar equivalent put the stick to the left This maneuver should be learn because in case your motor stop this is the way to master your distance of landing , test this with your instructor or a confirmed trike pilot at high altitude . to engage a lateral stall reduce the throttle go to the left corner to turn left or right corner to turn right and go away of the bar(equivalent pull the stick) gently . With the modern wing no problems with the very old wing stop to go away of the bar (equivalent pull the stick) when the material start to enter in vibration (do not panic if it happen just go back to a more acceptable attitude) by getting closer to the bar (equivalent push the stick)
Wow thanks for the heads up on that. I have been a trike pilot for twenty plus years and never have been in that situation. But if it does occur I know what to do now. Thank you for keeping us safe up there. The Green Hornet Sakan trike with Hazard double surface wing.
Wow...great reaction from the back seat pilot (Henry I assume), who clearly didn't want to die that day in what was a nasty spiral dive. You both would have gone in real hard and possibly not survived. Would have got the heart rate / adrenaline happening for sure. Tks for sharing...a positive experience for all of us. Gary (Australia).
Well whatever it was still as close as it gets. So lucky for the back seat bloke to have actually watched how to recover, just one more second and the story would be so different.
I almost pranged recently too, We were flying in the mountains (+-35mph headwind). My wing man was about 50ft above me, I encountered rotor turbulence which caused a wing to drop and the trike to nose dive towards the ground, I pulled bar and went opposite to dropped wing. I rounded out a few feet above tree height - IAS 85mph with a trike that does 55mph. 50ft from edge of cliff. My wingman - no hassles. When in doubt build speed. It all happens SO fast.
df3yt I'm so glad that you escaped from the spiral dive. I watched the movie Larry Mednick made how to get out from a spiral dive. The movie saved my and my friends life.
What about possible up drafting wind caused by onshore wind up that face of the bluff I know from years of flying Slope gliders along California coast the up-drafting wind extends farther out away from the bluff then you think. If the left wing got into some of that updraft wonder if that contributed the reason entering the spiral in the first place.
stalled that turn for sure. then slipped it. push out in a turn = winding up the turn. Pull in --> level. THe controls are different when you are flying vertically. up/down becomes left / right.
I saw the bar too far forward then a slow speed turn. In a fixed wing that wouldn't be an issue. Then when he finally pulls the bar back to level flight you can see how far he was pushing forward. He did a dive stall ? Nice manuvre if you meant to do it. Experience is the key.
Pulling back reduces the AoA which will end the stall. At this point you will be diving (almost straight down) but no longer stalled. You then can come out of the dive if you have enough altitude.
Stalling and wing over should be practised by any new pilot....... but at the safe altitude....... It is better to be prepared , than wait for accident and hope to be lucky ....... When doing my PPL this was one of the first practices .... Thanks for posting the video , and many will hopefully learn from it - one of the most common mistakes .........
Surprised with so much flying experience especially in gliders he didn't remember to drop the nose before trying to level out. Power pilots are taught to increase engine power instead... maybe this leads to this muscle memory confusion.
this way toe express yourself is very dangerous for plane pilot and have killed too many of them. You do not pull the bar but you (the pilot) get closer to the bar if you consider that then you are the stick this way to proceed is natural And it is also more true because it is not the bar that move but you : I will like very much that each instructor use this terminology (in a better english) for plane pilot at least Unfortunately it does not work for the taxiing because if you push your feet on the left it is like a bicycle you turn the wheel to the right So plane pilot must be VERY careful in taxing with trike, and NEVER consider the bar as the stick but consider that YOU are the stick you can then flight with a normal reflex. Do not flight a trike if you do not get it perfectly.
+rokag333 As an airplane pilot, that actually makes sense to me. Watching the video (not knowing that the control inputs are "backwards" to what I'm used to), the correction totally confused me. It seemed odd to "pull up"
ZeroByte if one day you are in a trike just do and think like that and everything will be fine be very careful to the taxiing there is no trick to make it logical it is truly reversed anyway, like in your plane, you use the wings as soon you are fast enough! so if an accident of taxiing happen it will be only at low speed LOLOLOL
Have flown both but most in 3 axis, much to my surprise I did want to pull back on flare. Thinking of yourself as the stick would likely work . That is how I thought in auto gyro and it worked, both work by moving CG.
So this goes to show how ignorance does not prevent anyone from giving elaborate opinions. First my credentials, flying hang gliders since 1979, and trikes since 89 and towing hang gliders since then. 3400 hrs logged in HG, 1300 hrs. logged in WSC. Hang gliders and trikes are very difficult to spin. With effort a pilot may induce a 1/4 to 1/2 flat spin by doing exactly what the guy in the blue shirt describes: bank slow and push out. The "instinct to push out" is what worsens the situation. This is technically not a flat spin but a stalled or slipping turn in a hang glider. It is a great maneuver to lose altitude fast without gaining a lot of ground and air speed when used planfully. It can be a disaster if it sneaks up on you and all you do is add throttle and bank (you will just auger in harder). The explanation for what occurs in the video is incorrect, the solution is the correct one however: pulling and roll out.
Be safe and take a physical geography class! Where I live you can for like $50 at a local community college and you can choose your pace or add a lab. The point is, that plane isn't flying with enough lift to overcome the orographic forces. Higher altitude and this would not have happened. Staying educated is the safest way to do everything, as well as following the adage: altitude is my friend. People have crashed due to orographic lift-like shifts in air current caused by trees even, so knowing your winds can be very useful.
It will happen at any altitude - incorrect. That's like saying the tides will rise at any depth. You're technically right, in the most liberal use of the word technically in all of human history, but if you were 3km underwater it would be a very different "tide" I agree that aerodynamics plays a part in determining the buoyancy of the aircraft, but that's just one variable in the equation. Ultimately, it is all caused by orographic lift (it could be other kinds, and often is, but in this video it is pretty visually obviously orographic). If you don't know what that is, look it up. Aerodynamics involves efficiency of the plane to sail through wind meeting minimum resistance and has no potential to cause a death spiral. Your aerodynamics can be obsolete, incorrect, or mediocre, but that won't change that aerodynamics do not move your plane.
"Orographic lift" is not sinking air. Like I've said from the start, take a class. Posting a link does not justify your failed attempt at replying to nothing relevant. If you don't even understand English, much less geography, you should probably spend more time off UA-cam. Seeing people fall in two different videos, one in which an instructor purposely dives and another in which a pilot makes a crash landing, does not mean that "this will happen at any altitude." "I believe aerodynamics is the answer" doesn't mean it is. You're the type to argue what you think and think you're right if you win the argument. Hence, you're always wrong. Grow up, you would die if you tried to fly one of these.
Your understanding is probably wrong, but regardless his definitely is. Trim that stupidity. Read his comment. You think someone who can't comprehend a phrase, can't comment on it, can't google it, can't do anything necessary to understand the argument at hand is fit to be a trainer? Get a grip.
I don't care about his credibility and now I don't care about yours so I'm only reading the relevant part of my notifications tab. Credibility is gained by paying into the system. There is value in that, and engaged learners will take everything they are supposed to. But credibility does not assure knowledge. He showed his utter lack of knowledge here. A professional would not comment on something he does not understand.
CA Catr Again, not reading past "abusive and disrespectful." Instead of wasting so much time trying to make friends you might be right for the first time in your life if you actually paid attention.
My God... you were seconds from the end of your days on this earth. I'm sure the old guy is a dear friend of yours, but if I had a friend like him, I would never go flying with him ever again... EVER again. He might be a long time pilot, but he simply does not understand. What if he had actually overpowered you? He's a big guy and must have been close to 'getting his own way' with the bar... What if HE had been the P1 and took a different friend for a flight... it doesn't bear thinking about. Thank you for posting this video, it's hard to watch, but what a lesson for us all.
So basically they stalled a tip and the pilot didn't even seem to realize it. Next, we will find out they were downwind of that cliff face and got hit by the eddie. Like most power pilots they seem ignorant to what really happen. Add power is always the cure for these guys. Power covers up all the airspeed mistakes I guess. lol
Just make sure you fully understand theory and get good training in whatever you fly. The trike responded at least as fast as 3 axis when proper technique was applied !
You did it all wrong! Here's what I would have done.... I'd have SHIT my pants for some extra cushion! Good for you boys, you saved your own lives and maybe a few others with the video
Excellent lesson for us all. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the instruction. The other thing you can learn from this video is how quick you can get out of it but doing the correct thing. Remarkable how fast this was corrected and that actually says a lot for Trikes. These wings are very responsive and that can work both ways.
Unfortunately, my last CFI, Bedo, taught me that you can't spin a Trike. He was with a student for his sign off flight for the student to take his checkride when they apparently did a steep turn at 500' and spiraled into the ground. Even if Bedo knew to pull back (doubtful), he hadn't bothered to put the training bars on the student's Trike. Yes, a quick turn when low and slow can turn into a death spiral.
Great video guys. Analyzing a close call helps us all fly safer.
Looks like a slip/stall to me. A heavily loaded wing in a steep bank angle. What they did to pull out of it was the solution. It wasn't a "wind gust". Airspeed and angle of attack needs to be considered when you are heavily loaded. It's easy to get used to how your wing responds when you are solo but put a heavy passenger in the back seat and do steep turns and your wing will respond much differently. This is the maneuver I use to lose altitude fast after aerotowing to land and pick up the next glider.
I'm glad it turned out ok.
Thanks for sharing this!!! Regardless of whether or not we THINK we're susceptible to these things, it's a great reminder. Now to rehearse this up high so the reaction is (more?) automatic.
Outstanding real world example. Probably will save a few folks by posting.
Henry, I'm a fan of your videos. I see everyone here in Brazil. Thanks for sharing more this lesson. Congratulations to get out of trouble.
Thanks for sharing. We can all learn from this and fly more safer.
Thank you for sharing this video. It's a good education for all of the pilots. I plan to practice spiral dive and recovery with CFI.
Amazing video Henry! I thank all of you guys for sharing this. When I saw this on your cell phone I was just in aww of what a close call this was! As a very new pilot, I look to all of you for experience and advice. This video is priceless and all Pilots regardless of experienced level should take the time to pass this on to fellow pilots.
Most of all, I'm really glad you and Ken survived it. Thank you for sharing Henry :)
Hi Leo, this was the special event I will never forget. We as a pilot, are leaning something in every flight.
Excellent safety video. Training is really a must in all aircraft. Great video guys.
I'm very glad you knew what to do to pull out of that dive. Recovering from aviation mishaps sometimes has counterintuitive solutions.
if unstalling the wing is counterintuitive... you need to fly more. Lots more. Unstalling the wing should be reflexive, not merely intuitive.
It looks like there's an airplane at the end of the runway, possibly landed ahead of the trike?
Glad it ended well! I watched video on how to recover,not sure i would have done the job you did.Saving two lives!! And hopefully a lot of other pilots lives! Dennis
I am glad you all made it through that experience -- and now, because of that and all of your contributions (Larry, Paul, Henry and Ken), I bet a lot of people's lives will be saved from that simple maneuver. Excellent job folks! I can't wait to join the trike community! Lottery wouldn't hurt! Hahaha....
Thanks for sharing Henry! Excellent instruction at the expense of a very real scare for you! I am a trike pilot but only have a plane for now. Will get back into trikes at some point later but I wont forget what you went through. Fly safe & btw, I LOVE your videos!
Thank you for posting this. We all gain by being given the opportunity to learn from other's experiences.
I'm glad you were okay, I don't want to live in a world without Henry Trikelife :(
Paul, Henry and Larry. Hi Guys, I have now watched this 4x. I just noticed something and have not see anything by anyone mentioned about it. Meaning it is trivial and of no importance...or maybe it was over looked like I did 3x before! So, either correct me if wrong if it is not a contributing factor, or let me know if I saw something no one else noticed and brought light to. I just noticed in the video and didn't see it until the 4th time.
Ken has both hands on the lower control bar. At 0:42 seconds, Ken's RIGHT hand comes off of the bar. A second later at 0:43 he places it on Henry's RIGHT training bar. From 0:43 seconds all the way to 0:49 seconds, :06 full seconds into the turn, Kens left hand is on the main control bar, but his right hand is on the right (Henry"s) training bar. Now, I am a low time pilot and have not been up in about 5 years (that's about to change) but isn't this unequal pressure adding a built in spiral dive? If he is pushing out on the bar, even all the way, isn't his left extending further than that of the right creating more degree built in on the turn? Even if HE was to pull back, I'm thinking he would not be pulling back equally and not getting a full on neutral until Henry intervened!? Am I wrong in this assumption that left hand on the main bar and the right on the training bar creating a built in added added spiral and dive? I see at 1:09 - 1:12 his hand was on the training bar even with Henry's hand there too until it finally came off. Again, if the placement of hands from the PIC is trivial and not contributory, then tell me. But, if that is added piece just now seen, please let me know. Thanks. Mark
The same thing happened to me. I spotted a bald eagle in a tree and came around for a better look. In no time I was in trouble. When I leveled out I was 8 feet above the dirt! Rule 1 is FLY THE PLANE! I got fixated on the eagle . I try to practice emergency procedures every time I fly. I love to do spot landings where I cut the power, find the best place to land and then set up to do it. Often times I don't land but I know I can put the plane where I want to. Fly safe my friends and practice those emergency procedures...
Good job Henry I’m so glad it worked out for you, Luis
fix the sound please. thank you for posting
what a great video, flying is all about knowledge and staying focused..
That could have ended up as another fatal accident report. Great work guys, glad you recovered to fly another day. I fly three axis but fancy flex wing too, looks like a lot of fun when respected.
fantastic guys! thanks for sharing. Congrats from Portugal, Sam
I fly fixed wing GA. But I like this video and learned from it.
for the plane pilot that flight a trike Consider that you, the pilot, you are the stick .
This is the only maneuver to loose altitude very fast in trike, it is in fact a lateral stall.
You should not forgot than when you have a big bank then if you go away of the bar(equivalent of pulling the stick) you close your turn
so if you are in lateral stall engaged in a right turn to get out of it go as close as possible to the bar(equivalent of pushing the stick) and in the same time go to the left side of the bar equivalent put the stick to the left
This maneuver should be learn because in case your motor stop this is the way to master your distance of landing , test this with your instructor or a confirmed trike pilot at high altitude .
to engage a lateral stall reduce the throttle go to the left corner to turn left or right corner to turn right and go away of the bar(equivalent pull the stick) gently .
With the modern wing no problems with the very old wing stop to go away of the bar (equivalent pull the stick) when the material start to enter in vibration (do not panic if it happen just go back to a more acceptable attitude) by getting closer to the bar (equivalent push the stick)
Damn, Henry. Nearly bought it there. You've made some spectacular videos, but this one's required viewing for trikers.
Wow thanks for the heads up on that. I have been a trike pilot for twenty plus years and never have been in that situation. But if it does occur I know what to do now. Thank you for keeping us safe up there. The Green Hornet Sakan trike with Hazard double surface wing.
Wow...great reaction from the back seat pilot (Henry I assume), who clearly didn't want to die that day in what was a nasty spiral dive. You both would have gone in real hard and possibly not survived. Would have got the heart rate / adrenaline happening for sure. Tks for sharing...a positive experience for all of us. Gary (Australia).
Yes, I was in the back seat. If I my response delays by another 0.5 second, we were gone.
+Henry TrikeLife last flight with him eh?
Well whatever it was still as close as it gets. So lucky for the back seat bloke to have actually watched how to recover, just one more second and the story would be so different.
How did you get the right wing to stall to begin with? Doing the 180 too quickly?
I almost pranged recently too, We were flying in the mountains (+-35mph headwind). My wing man was about 50ft above me, I encountered rotor turbulence which caused a wing to drop and the trike to nose dive towards the ground, I pulled bar and went opposite to dropped wing. I rounded out a few feet above tree height - IAS 85mph with a trike that does 55mph. 50ft from edge of cliff. My wingman - no hassles. When in doubt build speed. It all happens SO fast.
df3yt I'm so glad that you escaped from the spiral dive. I watched the movie Larry Mednick made how to get out from a spiral dive. The movie saved my and my friends life.
What about possible up drafting wind caused by onshore wind up that face of the bluff I know from years of flying Slope gliders along California coast the up-drafting wind extends farther out away from the bluff then you think. If the left wing got into some of that updraft wonder if that contributed the reason entering the spiral in the first place.
It is so fascinating that the solution is opposite of what you normally do to climb.
stalled that turn for sure. then slipped it. push out in a turn = winding up the turn. Pull in --> level. THe controls are different when you are flying vertically. up/down becomes left / right.
I am sure they knew the controls are different. The trick is to realize that you are in a stall. I suggest stall warning to be put on trikes.
I saw the bar too far forward then a slow speed turn. In a fixed wing that wouldn't be an issue. Then when he finally pulls the bar back to level flight you can see how far he was pushing forward. He did a dive stall ?
Nice manuvre if you meant to do it. Experience is the key.
So why/how did he stall the wing?
Does pulling back effectively add speed to end the stall? When you pull back the nose of the wing does down correct?
Pulling back reduces the AoA which will end the stall. At this point you will be diving (almost straight down) but no longer stalled. You then can come out of the dive if you have enough altitude.
Stalling and wing over should be practised by any new pilot....... but at the safe altitude....... It is better to be prepared , than wait for accident and hope to be lucky ....... When doing my PPL this was one of the first practices ....
Thanks for posting the video , and many will hopefully learn from it - one of the most common mistakes .........
Great lesson, thanks.
Thanks chaps, if ever will remember to pull in!
Henry this doesn't happen in a gyrocopter right?
Nope 😊
Looks like maybe stalling a wing on base leg?
Nice job by the backseat guy...the right wing stalled and needed to regain airspeed and low angle of attack in order to fly again...awesome job !!!
Thanks for sharing !!!
" I didn't realize how low we were..." FAMOUS LAST WORDS!
Surprised with so much flying experience especially in gliders he didn't remember to drop the nose before trying to level out. Power pilots are taught to increase engine power instead... maybe this leads to this muscle memory confusion.
Was this near Carpenteria, CA? Looks like the trike I always see out of Santa Paula (KSZP).
rcLawnDartPilot yes, it was and I flew out of SZP.
Thought it looked familiar. Went to CP for my PPL.
1. Pull bar in.
2. Move bar to the ground/low side?
this way toe express yourself is very dangerous for plane pilot and have killed too many of them.
You do not pull the bar but you (the pilot) get closer to the bar if you consider that then you are the stick this way to proceed is natural
And it is also more true because it is not the bar that move but you :
I will like very much that each instructor use this terminology (in a better english) for plane pilot at least
Unfortunately it does not work for the taxiing because if you push your feet on the left it is like a bicycle you turn the wheel to the right
So plane pilot must be VERY careful in taxing with trike, and NEVER consider the bar as the stick but consider that YOU are the stick you can then flight with a normal reflex.
Do not flight a trike if you do not get it perfectly.
+rokag333 As an airplane pilot, that actually makes sense to me. Watching the video (not knowing that the control inputs are "backwards" to what I'm used to), the correction totally confused me. It seemed odd to "pull up"
ZeroByte if one day you are in a trike just do and think like that and everything will be fine
be very careful to the taxiing there is no trick to make it logical it is truly reversed
anyway, like in your plane, you use the wings as soon you are fast enough! so if an accident of taxiing happen it will be only at low speed LOLOLOL
Have flown both but most in 3 axis, much to my surprise I did want to pull back on flare. Thinking of yourself as the stick would likely work . That is how I thought in auto gyro and it worked, both work by moving CG.
So this goes to show how ignorance does not prevent anyone from giving elaborate opinions. First my credentials, flying hang gliders since 1979, and trikes since 89 and towing hang gliders since then. 3400 hrs logged in HG, 1300 hrs. logged in WSC. Hang gliders and trikes are very difficult to spin. With effort a pilot may induce a 1/4 to 1/2 flat spin by doing exactly what the guy in the blue shirt describes: bank slow and push out. The "instinct to push out" is what worsens the situation. This is technically not a flat spin but a stalled or slipping turn in a hang glider. It is a great maneuver to lose altitude fast without gaining a lot of ground and air speed when used planfully. It can be a disaster if it sneaks up on you and all you do is add throttle and bank (you will just auger in harder). The explanation for what occurs in the video is incorrect, the solution is the correct one however: pulling and roll out.
Tomo nota. Gracias por compartirlo.
Looks to me like you got in to a down draft from the hill while banking.
He also gets disoriented by water surface.
Be safe and take a physical geography class! Where I live you can for like $50 at a local community college and you can choose your pace or add a lab. The point is, that plane isn't flying with enough lift to overcome the orographic forces. Higher altitude and this would not have happened. Staying educated is the safest way to do everything, as well as following the adage: altitude is my friend. People have crashed due to orographic lift-like shifts in air current caused by trees even, so knowing your winds can be very useful.
It will happen at any altitude - incorrect. That's like saying the tides will rise at any depth. You're technically right, in the most liberal use of the word technically in all of human history, but if you were 3km underwater it would be a very different "tide"
I agree that aerodynamics plays a part in determining the buoyancy of the aircraft, but that's just one variable in the equation. Ultimately, it is all caused by orographic lift (it could be other kinds, and often is, but in this video it is pretty visually obviously orographic). If you don't know what that is, look it up. Aerodynamics involves efficiency of the plane to sail through wind meeting minimum resistance and has no potential to cause a death spiral. Your aerodynamics can be obsolete, incorrect, or mediocre, but that won't change that aerodynamics do not move your plane.
"Orographic lift" is not sinking air. Like I've said from the start, take a class. Posting a link does not justify your failed attempt at replying to nothing relevant. If you don't even understand English, much less geography, you should probably spend more time off UA-cam. Seeing people fall in two different videos, one in which an instructor purposely dives and another in which a pilot makes a crash landing, does not mean that "this will happen at any altitude." "I believe aerodynamics is the answer" doesn't mean it is. You're the type to argue what you think and think you're right if you win the argument. Hence, you're always wrong. Grow up, you would die if you tried to fly one of these.
Your understanding is probably wrong, but regardless his definitely is. Trim that stupidity. Read his comment. You think someone who can't comprehend a phrase, can't comment on it, can't google it, can't do anything necessary to understand the argument at hand is fit to be a trainer? Get a grip.
I don't care about his credibility and now I don't care about yours so I'm only reading the relevant part of my notifications tab. Credibility is gained by paying into the system. There is value in that, and engaged learners will take everything they are supposed to. But credibility does not assure knowledge. He showed his utter lack of knowledge here. A professional would not comment on something he does not understand.
CA Catr Again, not reading past "abusive and disrespectful." Instead of wasting so much time trying to make friends you might be right for the first time in your life if you actually paid attention.
Speed is your friend.
+Barky Barker yes, altitude and speed are the best friends.
as we say, altitude and speed, save your teeth
I bet he will never make that mistake again.
I will stick to tricycles on the ground. Thank you.
always fly your airplane
good to remember
Wow close!
My God... you were seconds from the end of your days on this earth.
I'm sure the old guy is a dear friend of yours, but if I had a friend like him, I would never go flying with him ever again... EVER again. He might be a long time pilot, but he simply does not understand. What if he had actually overpowered you? He's a big guy and must have been close to 'getting his own way' with the bar... What if HE had been the P1 and took a different friend for a flight... it doesn't bear thinking about.
Thank you for posting this video, it's hard to watch, but what a lesson for us all.
Thanks, Chris. I didn't have seconds, but probably 0.3 second from the end. I'm so glad that I escaped from it.
So basically they stalled a tip and the pilot didn't even seem to realize it.
Next, we will find out they were downwind of that cliff face and got hit by the eddie. Like most power pilots they seem ignorant to what really happen. Add power is always the cure for these guys. Power covers up all the airspeed mistakes I guess. lol
Back seat drivers think they know everything!
lol
I ll keep flying my plane...
grt training
Way too low to be pulling a spiral dive!
why i will never fly a weight shift ultralight :/ il stick to my quicksilver and aerolite..thanks..
Larry Mednick not saying they are not spin proof...just 10,000x easier to un-fuck yourself ;)
Just make sure you fully understand theory and get good training in whatever you fly. The trike responded at least as fast as 3 axis when proper technique was applied !
You did it all wrong! Here's what I would have done.... I'd have SHIT my pants for some extra cushion! Good for you boys, you saved your own lives and maybe a few others with the video
Jeremiah it happened in split second. We didn’t have time to shit, 😂
@@HenryGyroLife HE HE! Sorry I couldn't help myself.... so many people offering their opinions
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Hope you guys know Jesus. Looks like fun but also seems to be a lot of room for error. Like in strike one, your out.
as i said in my previous comment......... just a cheap and nasty sales gimmick from "REVO" trikes !!!!!!
+John Paul Brotherton well, John. I or we are not selling anything here. Actually the wing in this incident was one of the wings used by Revo trikes.
It was only a beautiful day because you lived.