‘This war will end up at the negotiating table’ - Owen Matthews on Ukraine’s Nato membership
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- In 2008, Nato said that Ukraine could eventually join the organisation. Ever since then, and especially since Russia’s invasion in 2022, the question of Ukraine’s Nato membership remains unanswered. Last week, Volodymyr Zelenskyy pressed EU leaders on the topic, urging them to issue an ‘immediate invitation’ - but there’s been no sign of movement from Nato.
Some of Kyiv’s allies believe that membership is the only way to protect Ukraine; but others suggest that joining could be a grave mistake for the country. Why hasn’t Ukraine already joined Nato? Is it strategically viable? Could a neutral Ukraine be more secure? Owen Matthews, journalist and writer, joins Lisa Haseldine, The Spectator’s assistant online editor, to discuss.
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Lol at how these "experts" keep saying "I always knew this would happen" despite earlier in the war saying "Ukraine will achieve total victory"
This guy had some reasonable takes this time. However we have had to sit and listen to so many so called 'experts'.....no doubt intelligence approved talking heads.....talk so much rubbish that they should have been throwing it into a skip.....The kind of stuff that means people lose faith in ourselves. These guys are never held to account for lying to people.
Yes and they have blood on their hands for chearleading this catastrophe
Anyone who was serious and not paid knew Ukraine lost the war 2 years ago.
Because they are full of 💩
@jdg9999 Exactly, they used them as cannon fodder, and now their country is the Syria of Europe. With millions never to return.
Is this the same guy that has been saying since 2022 that Ukraine will triumph over the hopeless and hapless Russians? The same guy who described the suicidal Kursk invasion as a brilliant piece of military strategy? Who can take people like this seriously?
@@tonybrown3192 yes. The same imbacile
It dosen't sound like him?
There are hints of that in this segment where he can’t help but push the “stalemate” narrative.
This is pretty much what John Mearsheimer has been saying since 2008:
Not really. Mearsheimer's principal argument is that the invasion of Ukraine was about the possibility of NATO membership. This guy is saying that NATO membership was neither popular nor possible, while at the same time parroting Mearsheimer's argument.
Mr Mathews is totally right in his assessment, although i wouldnt be so sure about the conflict ending on a negotiating table because the people on charge of foreign policy in the US and UE seem to have forgotten about diplomacy
I actually think the US has been very measured in this and are clearly focused on a negotiated settlement. If anything the problem is with Putin who has continued to press on the accelerator; developing a war economy and targeting Ukraine's civilian infrastructure in particular.
@@smillner771 Sorry to disappoint, but it was the US refusal to negotiate security agreements with Russia based on a draft proposal by Russia in late 2021 that prompted what they call a SMO in Ukraine. Ukraine's leadership decided to sacrifice its population for a reason to which it has no say. What a disaster by Zelenskyy.
@@smillner771 What steps has the US taken towards any sort of negotiation? Who convinced Zelensky to walk away from Instabul peace agreements in 2022?
@@CharlesOdoch how much freedom and self determination should you give up in order to appease s dictator though?
@@CharlesOdoch It isn't for the US to negotiate directly but it can obviously have an influence over Ukraine. And Ukraine was correct to walk away from the 2022 peace agreements; for starters Ukraine has since took back control of the north bank of Kherson oblast thereby giving itself a much better defensive line to deter any further agression from Putin.
Nice to see The Spectator actually _listening_ rather than believing it's own bile.
Little late, tho. Spectatot wad a chearleader of this tragedy
They are not listening, they are prepping the flag waving sheep that scream Slava Ukraine or I support the current thing.
They are just doing their job.
Thank you, Owen. "Geography is very simple". Yes. If USA is right to view communist or communist-leaning administrations in the Carribean or in Central America as a threat, then it is obvious that Russia will view NATO member states on its borders as a threat.
It's a completly different kind of threat.
After almost three years and million casualties you started getting the idea... Nice!
Dude wrote a book in November 2022 where he said this war will 100 end with a negotiated settlement because neither side can obtain a total victory
@@Destroyer120296 "negotiated settlement", hm... The one Putin asked for in December 2021?
@@Destroyer120296Russia is wrecking Ukraine what part don’t you understand?
Owen has been consistently wrong on this conflict, why is he still your guy?
Every word & theme Owen Matthews states here is absolutely spot on truth, except he downplays how bad things will get for Ukraine. They can lose the whole damned country to a civil war if Russia eventually cuts Ukraine off from the Black Sea.
After almost 1 million casualties you’ve finally come to that conclusion.
Dude wrote a book in November 2022 where he said this war will 100 end with a negotiated settlement because neither side can obtain a total victory
@@Destroyer120296 I remember Owen Mathews in the media at the onset of the war and he definitely did not present Putin as a rational actor.
Lol, when she stuttered before saying that bs about how Ukraine is "fighting for Europe"
Use a reference time stamp.
Where as what she should have said is fighting for the Americans.
It’s quite difficult to take a commentator seriously who thinks the war is at a ‘standstill’. Has Owen Matthews looked at a map recently?
@@scottrupertb Apparently no
6:23 Think we can answer that question now. Yeah, Ukraines relationship with NATO has been catastrophic.
A negotiated settlement means the West eating a huge portion of humble pie. We have to accept that Russia has won and we have lost. I just can’t see us doing it. Our pride will prefer a frozen conflict.
@@icu17siberia It would take at least a million extra men to go on a serious counteroffensive. Never mind that this would severely hurt the already tight Ukranian labour market, thereby hurting even further the shrinking economy. At the end of the day the West simply doesn't have the industrial capacity to match the Russians in artillery, rocket, missiles systems and drones. Russia sees this war as existential and possesses greater political will to last longer than the West.
Our leaders pride you mean. I genuinely think they would rather trade “tactical” Nukes than admit defeat as just imagine what that does to their non existence authority and public image.
Managing pride is a matter of blah-blah-propaganda. Lost Blackrock investments in Ukraine is way far more serious matter.
@@momo8200you do realise Russia has a GDP smaller then Italy?
From the journalist who got everything wrong…
He is not a journalist, but a propagandist.
The Ukraine war started by the USA organising a regime change operation in 2014. Just one of over 50 such operations around the world started by the U S A by its NED organisation
Russian propaganda
@@IvanLeonard-b7y - It's the single most obvious and well understood point of the whole conflict, you are lame. And learn to use a damned period!
@@johnsmith1474 But there was a free and fair election to bring Zelensky into power. The irony is that following 2014, by Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts removing themselves from Ukraine, the majority Ukraine position is now much more pro western.
@@smillner771 Zelensky was elected on the promise to bring peace. Instead he doubled down on war against Donbass
@@smillner771 There has never been a "free and fair election" in Ukraine :)
This could have happened in 2022 but Boris Johnson scuppered the talks.
...and now it is too late.
@@paulbaumer8210 Exactly, unconditional surrender.
Comrade Putin sends his thanks for spreading his BS. Your cheque is in the mail
Russia and propaganda. But you believe it
You flatter Boris Johnson. BJ no doubt helped sway the argument but Ukraine saw an opportunity, took it, and has now truly established itself as an independent state because of it. This is much like what Ireland did against the UK 100 years ago. Short term pain, long term gain.
Owen is absolutely correct. Ukraine is a red line even before Putin, and the EU discussing Ukraine membership is Taboo. NATO unfortunately followed the US idea of defeating Russia which we all know now is not possible. USA lost wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria etc... yet the EU thought the US will lead them to victory? Let the facts speak for itself.
Most rational and realistic analysis I've heard on this war so far
Probably it's still not realistic enough but it is realistic enough to upset many people.
@@MJGMJGMJGtruth is upsetting
You need to expand your media consumption. Start with Jeffery Sachs
@@bottlethrower1544 What do you dispute with what he said?
The losing side always sees negotiation table as the solution. Winning side always knows where its ends and its on its terms.
Do people realise that Eastern Siberian literally shares a border with the Korean peninsula and are of the same race?
Do they identify themselves as Korean and speak Korean? Have they been a part of one state for hundreds of years, only to be separated by a palace coup 30 years ago?
@@communist754 the point is that Russia has a lot of nationalities that for European or American eye seem to be Asian and can be considered Korean. I seriously doubt you would be able to distinguish Korean from Yakut (around 480k in Russia) or Buryat (over 460k in Russia) or any other Asian nationality.
Well did you know North Koreans learn Russian at schools, they are well educated in every subject, very smart people.
Now you know!
God knows how many casualties Ukraine has suffered. Russia has at least a 10-1 artillery advantage and we know this causes 75% of losses, and then Russia is dropping 120 glide bombs a day onto the Ukrainian lines.
@@davidlloyd2583 you have more casualties when you are attacking. Defense always have less casualties. Not to say Ukrainian losses aren’t huge
@@ivandemko3360 incorrect. Germany in WW2 attacked Poland, France and the Soviet Union, suffering less in every case. It's about Firepower. 3-1 to attack killing more of the enemy at the point you attack. You need to read history and not assume.
@@ivandemko3360 Russia has lost significantly less than Ukraine in every category. Soldiers, planes, tanks, everything.
@@davidlloyd2583 so Russia has 10-1 in everything and lost less? Ok buddy
@@ivandemko3360 not in a 10-1 advantage with no air power
It is so satisfying to watch you squirm as the narrative shifts and the Western press-titutes are forced to accept the reality of the situation. 😂
A few things don't add up, or are not answered to.
First, it omitted to note that the red lines repeatedly crossed were their own red lines - not those of the Russians. The real Russian red lines are deep missile strikes into its territory, as this implies direct implication of NATO personnel and infrastructure. NATO membership is another red line, as this was ones of the aspects that caused the direct 2022 Russian intervention in the war that raged since 2014.
Second, the front situation is not at all at a standstill, but a very dynamic one of systematic grinding down of the Ukrainian forces in a war of attrition. It is advantageous for the Russians to do this where they are - close to the Russian supply chain, far from the Uki supply chain. By the way, the supposed 10'000 Russian losses at Avdiivka comes straight from Uki propaganda that tries to cope with their constant losses by publishing absurd Russian losses that somehow is taken for the Gospel by western journalists. The measure of Russian success is not, as erroneously stated, the capture of real estate, but in the destruction of fortified positions and the destruction of military units.
Once the last Uki defensive belt, currently being cracked by successful Russian attrition, is broken, the Russian flood cannot be turned anymore except by nuclear weapons and WW3. All that there will be left to negotiate is the unconditional surrender of the Ukraine.
Ukraine's position is now so weak that surrender is more likely than negotiation.
Jeesus tapdancing Christ!! We've known all this for a decade. John Mearscheimer was saying this way back ton 2014.
A man that speaks sense 👏
Nope. Takes no courage or wisdom to admit obvious facts. This guy is 3yrs late to the party.
Only difference: now you can say it without being automatically cancelled as a Russian stooge.
Hey Owen so you abandon the strategic defeat of Russia.. How cruel😢😢
his face, the failure is clear
You can't even punctuate a sentence lol and you think you can read minds.
@@johnsmith1474 pointless comment
Well well, how interesting, at last you catch up with what I have known since the late 1980’s that Ukraine in NATO is a non- starter. One may think if I have known this most of my life then so would my betters, but alas, they are too pre-occupied with gifts and trinkets.
War started at the negotiating table, and it will end there. Ever heard about the Minks Accords or the Instanbul peace proposal?
This war will end up with Ukraine's unconditional surrender. Zelenskyy said it himself. According to him only joining NATO or nukes can save his hide at this point. These are lunatic ramblings of a desperate dictator before the imminent collapse of the regime. Well, it's a quote from The Time article. Zelenskyy top advisers say about him: “He deludes himself, ” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that. It is immovable, verging on the messianic.” According to the Economist Zelenskyy is literally screaming at his generals at this point. One Austrian artist was in a similar state in 1945.
If Taiwan still thinks America will spin the block for them to the very end when China invades they out of their minds😂
What needs to be investigated is that what all Ukrainian politicians claim, and so far has been dismissed by British media. I'm talking about Boris Johnson telling Zelensky to dismiss peace agreement back in 2022 and continue fighting. This has been repeated on Ukrainian/ Russian speaking political channels (Alexander Shelest, Vitalij Dikij, Politeka etc). But UK journalists are somewhat shrinking away from this uncomfortable piece of information, as its clearly too close to home and may expose UK's true part in the fuelling the conflict.
One of very few Brits with a sane view of things.
This is a nice interview that comes to the correct conclusion despite this guy's support for this war over some time in The Speccy. Anyway, at least he's walked down that road to come to this conclusion.
Yes, if NATO is illegal or stupid to discuss , then nukes are not)
The key to understand this conflict is to stay neutral and see both sides for yourself. Owen could have gone to Donbass, plenty of opportunities, none taken. I do not count spending time in a 5 start hotel in Lviv, "interviewing" people who are totally one sided. And this kind of journalism we have to listen to?
That will be the best case scenario. The worst will be the end of this world.
None of your viewers care about Ukraine in NATO. Lol...
Nobody cares about Fasc.ist.Ukr-S.
Educate yourself, and start from 2014MaidanCoup.
It is a canard that most wars end up resolving at a negotiation table. In fact they almost never do. The US Civil War did not. World War I did not; in fact the Germans were not even allowed to participate in the negotiations at Versailles. World War II involved no significant negotiations. Korea never officially ended at all. Vietnam had some half hearted negotiations but really ended when North Vietnamese tanks rolled into Saigon. It is a European conceit that negotiations end wars. Military realities are in fact what end wars. Europeans try to hide from this fact.
By the standards of most Western analysts, this guest, in this interview, is rather reasonable.
A sound analysis and not too alarmist, I’m glad I watched
There are times the speaker is totally wrong about his assessment of Russia and Russians. For example, he said Russians Army is brought to a standstill, this is untrue, without understanding the nature of the war. I would urge listeners to view, Douglas McGregor or Scott Ritter of the world to understand what is going on.
Why have you invited him? He is not an expert, but a propagandist.
NATO is not a supermarket or some sort of UN. No countries can claim that they want into NATO and then it has to be respected, and NATO has to consider any security issue following a new member.
Ukraine is special for Russia, due to the historic relations and intertwined populations, for the border and, not the least, for the Black Sea influence and their base at Sevastopol.
Zelensky has a Victory Plan. Some might call it a 'give me more unaccountable billions plan'
Zelensky will end up how he started out: Banging out show tunes on the piano with his male member at weddings and bar mitzvahs.
Capitulation table, more likely!
He rules out the possible total russian victory and a negotiation that is on pure russian terms. Why? Given the situation in Ukraine’s armed forces and the obvious decline in western support ukraine can absolutely collapse and soon?
Yeah, we knew that when it started, so why didn't we make the compromises ages ago?
Hubris and stupidity.
'Richard Englander' sounds like exactly the kind of name a real Englishman would have. I wonder whether he has any other friends to weigh in on this. A Brian McScotland perhaps?
Mostly a sensible interview, apart from the fact that Ukraine is the party stopping negotiations rather than Russia. In fact, Ukraine have even put in a law forbidden any negotiations.
what is Ukraine supposed to negotiate about?
Ukraine isnt eligible to join the tufty club
Brilliant coming from Owen Matthews 😅
Mr Matthews states that China regards Taiwan as an existential threat. Really??
Greece and Turkey have disputed borders and both are in NATO
Owen started quite honestly in regards to the Monroe Doctrine and the Bill Burns.
Then he just makes foolish statements that if you dont call the US military presence as NATO, this will be acceptable to Russia.
He never says that. He says Ukraine must be neutral, and neutral countries are not and cannot be in NATO.
@@johnsmith1474 I agree. And the US then wouldn't have a military presence in Ukraine. I think the model we're looking at is post WW2 Austria? But with beefed up security guarentees as i think the USSR was a more reliable adversary than a much more nationalistic russia and an aging Putin who is perhaps becoming too paranoid and unstable.
@@johnsmith1474 Listen more carefully.
Or the "problem"is that Owen mentions that the US viewed Soviet missiles on Cuba as an existential threat. Just as the Russians consider US missiles in Ukraine as an exustential threat.
Plus the "problem" that William Gates, current CIA Director on his Memo in 2007 mentioned that Ukraine is the "Redest if Red Lines" for all Russian politicians.
Totally fake comparisons… this is someone who agrees with Russia on no one being able to have self determination.
Self determination doesn't mean you can just join any organisation you want to join! Association works two ways.
No one with a foreign military base have self-determination.
ps. Japan, S.Korea, Germany for example.
@@icu17siberia Because the organisation you're trying to join can reject you. Or put it another way, i have self determination but it doesn't mean i can take to bed any person i want!)
The natural border is actually the Dnipro river and probably that's where the Russians will stop. The big question is where will Kiev and Odessa stand.
Russia won’t let Ukraine keep Odessa now in my opinion.
Extremely reasonable argument.,, hope better sense prevails
As expected there are many things wrong with the spectstors view. The Bucharest memorandum acknowledged that the nukes were soviet ones stationed on Ukrainian soil so Ukraine had no nukes to give up. Secondly america broke many of the binding articles of this agreement not lesdt of which was the non interfrence in the internsl politics of Ukraine when vicky Nuland stated that the US spent $5 billion on opposition grouos to support the midan coup in 2014. So the Bucharest agreement was voided by the west not Russia. Finally Russia has stated time and time again its willingness to negotiate but Ukraine has outlawed any negotiation. So this war will end with Ukrainian collaspe, for despite nato trsining, wesponsry, advisors, intel, satellite survilence and on rhe ground technical assistance Russia will win this war attrition on its terms
can you stop repeating russian propaganda?
The comedian is determined to drag the world into the abyss!
There is decree signed by Zelensky that prohibits Ukrainian government to negotiate with Russia.
What kind of negotiation Zelensky i talking about antill he anulate decree.
White lines are better than red lines.
White lines are Zelensky's forte.
Russia's hang ups about and attitudes towards Ukraine are similar to those of Britain held by Britain towards Ireland back at the start of the 20th c.
On the North Korean troops taking part, as far as I have managed to glean the ONLY way any North Korean soldier may be involved at all in this strummash is within the borders of the Russian Federation, i.e. Kursk. Any movement whatsoever into Ukraine territory would be a declaration of aggression and therefore war between North Korea and Ukraine so it is highly unlikely that a single North Korean soldier will step a single millimetre into Ukraine, do you not think?
What ever the peace terms it should
not be seen to reward aggression
Russia can turn Ukraine into glass. And you talk about terms ? Imagine Hamas talking about terms with Israel 😂
Wake up, this is not about optics. Ukraine is going to have to sue for peace, then face civil war.
bro this makes no sense. like tell me how do you give away the land to Russia and also not reward him with land? cuz their not going to stop the water for promises of cupcakes and tea
@@donaldhassell6430
Russia is not just taking over some land. It is the land of the Russian speakers whose rights were not taken seriously by US backed post-coup government in Ukraine. EASY
Ukraine is in no position to refuse. Time to accept that no amount of spin can hide it. The Donbas front is collapsing for example.
Sweden and Finland, especially with the latter with 1800km border with Russia became members. The guest`s logic is not correct
I have always said this and I am not an expert !
i love how he puts out the ethno nationalist and thats a line straight from hitler.
A very rational analysis from Owen. This is rare in the western media.
Don't bank on it unless the Ukrainian president is replaced asap
Ask yourself why Zelensky is allowed to wander about freely?
What does it say about the hidden and possibly nefarious nature of this conflict?
What’s always missing in this type of analysis is the discussion of the countries in question having a right to decide who they align with. NATO didn’t expand, the baltics ASKED to join, Ukraine doesn’t want to be part of Russia, noones forcing them. People forget small countries have self determination, or does that right only exist for countries big enough to enforce it?!
Existential threat to Russia of Ukraine joining NATO and EU is more like Scotland leaving UK or south states leaving the Union than Cuba or Taiwan examples. It's a long run strategic threat of loosing the potential of demographic and economic power than just a military danger. Baltic states and Findland in NATO is not far less dangerous for Russia and it didn't start a war about this. But Ukraine nation is 1/3 of Russian one, is very close culturaly and mentally and the Ukraine integration with the West means it's lost for Russian influence forever.
PSML M8...well remember your 'earlier stuff'...and you still don't understand the Russian position.
A sponger`s scrounging dream.
Some good points about why Nato membership is not going to happen. Hungry has simula problems with Ukraine nationalists they can't talk about. This war should have never gone as far and united states and Britain are to blame. Where is diplomacy..
you cannot do diplomacy with somebody who wants to annihilate you.
Looks delicious, where and what is the name of the restaurant. Excellent value.
So, Ukraine wasn't joining NATO, a majority of the population wasn't in favor of joining NATO, and it would have been impossible for it to join NATO anyway. So, what's it all about? Not just about restive areas in the east of Ukraine. That was already being done and could have been considerably stepped up with far fewer consequences than we have seen. Why did the Russian government choose to attack Kiev? To return Ukraine to vassal status.
Owen💪
Can we please have less "dressing down" on Spectator videos? Blouses and (light) make-up for women, ties and possibly jackets for men. I'm glad that Owen had properly shaved, at least. Let's see people turning up properly turned out.
The spectator is deleting comments and replies. What are you afraid of?
Somehow, Lisa Haseldine's face reminds me of Queen Victoria. How strange!
🤣🤣🤣
This guy has been wrong about literally everything so far
All because of one man’s ego and his so called pursuit of gratification. He does not have any emotion, the utter most despicable act is the sacrifice of the men from both Russia and Ukraine, how he sleeps at night is beyond imagination😢
It is common for world leaders to do that. You consider it for gratification. As the speaker says, Putin considers it an existential theat.
Boris was always like that...and watching/listening to his latest spouting still is.
First mainstream pommie commentator with a realist view on the conflict …
By the way, did you see the DNP folks through up a North Korean flag just to noise up Zelenski… LMFAO 😂
Ooopsa! Throw up ffs. Pardon moi.🤣
The only fantasy is yours.
If Putin is so concerned about indigenous Russians settlers living in ex Soviet states and with his falling population why does he not invite them to settle in Russia
Why do you think he does not?
Perhaps they like living in their homeland. Just not under Zelensky.
Many have. Millions of Ukrainians have moved to Russia since 1990. Also here's something the Western media doesn't talk about so much: many Ukrainian citizens have moved to Russia since 2014 and 2022.
The deal should be Finland style status (neutrality as Finland was throughout the Cold War) for Ukraine in return for a return to pre 2014 international borders and the evacuation of all Russian troops from Ukraine, along with a sovereign base deal for Sevastopol (similar to the deals Britain has in Cyprus.)
Russia is not going to return to pre-2014 borders. That ship has well and truly sailed.
This entire interview treats Putin as if he is largely ideologically driven when in fact the war in Ukraine seems to me to be convenient for him in terms of the internal politics and power games within Russia. It seems to me unlikely that Putin risked his position on ideological grounds, rather (IMHO) he is pursuing an external war as a way to maintain internal control and ultimately reward those whose support keeps him in power in Russia. Personally I don't believe NATO membership is important for or should be pursued by Ukraine for a number of reasons, but I don't think that is the real reason Russia is in Ukraine either.
Russia hss its security concern...beside east ukraine are russian speaker want to stay with russia.
But why does Russia determines what Ukraine can and cannot do ? Isn't Ukraine a soveraing country ?
The real risk to Russia or more accurately the risk to Putin is a democratic and prosperous neighbour. Its a bad example when millions of Russians still have no inhouse plumbing.
Cuba
Russia has plenty of prosperous neighbors, like Japan, how is having one more any different? Also, Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe, so how is that even an argument?
As to "why" - well maybe for the same reason the US determined that Cuba can't have Russian nukes? Have you ever heard of self-preservation? Ukraine was the most heavily militarized state in Europe, with an army and weapons stockpile larger than the rest of Europe combined and on par with Russia itself. It was the most heavily fortified part of the USSR and inherited a third of the Soviet military-industrial complex for free. Nobody in their right mind would allow all that to fall into the hands of an openly hostile alliance.
That said, he went about it in the worst and least efficient possible way. Should have also done regime change operations or assassinations instead, or at least invaded in 2014 and cleaned it up with barely any blood spilled. Instead, he tried to negotiate for 8 years, allowed the Ukrainian military to rebuild and fully mobilize, and then invaded with a force that was 5 times smaller than the Ukrainian army in hopes of pressuring them to adhere to peace accords. Abysmal planning every step of the way.
Ask the Americans why. That’s the reason the Russians will not accept certain things because it’s clear Ukraine is being used as a proxy. Western politicians have basically admitted it.
" millions of Russians still have no in-house plumbing"... Take it you've never visited Rural (of which there is a lot of) Ukraine then...??
It sounds like you've never visited that country.
The USSR Afghanistan ended when the Russians just had enough.
Ukraine is almost as big as Afghanistan but with 4 times the population while Russia is now without Ukraine and half the population of USSR.
So why would Russia not need to give up this time?
@@kasperchristiansen4234 perhaps because the Russians have invaded Ukraine for what they view as far more pressing and urgent reasons than when theyninvaded Afghanistan?
This guy just spouted a bingo card's worth of Putin's talking points. Ukraine will join Nato and Vladdy can spin it all he likes through mouthpieces like this one. The Spectator should be called Sputnik cuz it just broadcasts Ruski signals.
Lol, dream on. Russia have won and we predicted it right at the beginning.
@@chrisohanlon69 Russia won? Guess I missed the parade of Ruski troops through Kiev...AFU just handed Russia its 2nd bloodiest day of the war. Losing 1400 soldiers in 1 day in not winning...unless you accept Kremlin's take: "Russian men fertilize Ukrainian soil to improve relations between neighbors. North Koreans next."
@@SmilingSimian Yes we in America will not tolerate dissent from US policy without accusing those who dissent with traitorous beliefs. Because, you know, Democracy.
Any Interview tagged with Owen is flagged by Ukraine bots. The bots always have the same approach, give Putin a nickname, make up claims of the trillions of Russians that have died. It’s hilarious.
@SmilingSimian they wouldn't report on that as our media bears much similarity to the late soviet eras'.
He didn't say a single thing that wasn't absolute bollocks
To the many Russian trolls on this page nowadays - you're not convincing anyone. The British know a fascist when we see one; we didn't back down the last time and we're not going to this time either.
@@PJH13 No one in the world cares about little britain , trust me , least of all Putin , ur military is laughable at this stage, nothing more than uncle sams cannon fodder.
Ah shaddup. I'm not Russian, I'm English and I 100% support Putin as many of us do. Why we ever got involved in this hopeless war is a mystery. Lining the pockets of the Israelis is the most likely explanation.
@@PJH13 lol. Utter delusional stuff PJ. What army in Britain will do anything? 40k troops, how many are woke activists. Don't make me laugh. The British army is a joke now. Even the yanks admit it. Get back in your box before your mouth writes cheque your body can't cash
Who’s we. You heading to the front lines? As you advocate the death of others being dragooned off Ukrainian streets against their will?
@@aftdeltroll
What frustrates me with reference to Monroe doctrine is that Cuba became a communist country aligned with USSR and the USA did (eventually) accept it. Even if Nato membership for Ukraine is more problematic than it's worth, cast iron security guarentees are needed. Ukraine wants to be a democratic european country, us Europeans need to welcome Ukraine, and Putin has to accept this as a consequence of his 2022 strategic blunder. That said, Matthews's clarification of Putin's statement re. collapse of soviet union is very significant, and it's important we don't blindly follow an escalatory path.
@@smillner771
Eventually the US accepted? Lol Cuba has been under full US embargo since the 60s 😂
Actually no, "Ukraine" did not want to be an EU country, the nationalists and neonazis wanted to. The Russian speaking Ukrainians did not want to, and they constituted half the country, which is why they were attacked by the Kiev government. You are absolutely clueless.
@@worththewatch1517 Fair point.. a very grudging acceptance. But the main point is that US have not invaded to impose a friendly regime, which would have happened if the Monroe doctrine were to be implemented.
@@johnsmith1474 I have lived in Ukraine and certainly most young people, particularly the educated and including Russian speakers, wanted to be in the EU. This is consistent with all EU and brexit countries. If anything, it is the nationalists and neonazis who didn't want to be in the EU (or be part of Russia). But then they're not exactly rationale types.
Anyone with experience of living in a European country will understand this point. But I accept areas in the Donbass and Crimea did/do have stronger affiliations with Russia. Exluding the populations of Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, undoubtedly there was, pre Putin's 2022 invasion, majority support for Ukraine to become a western, european nation.
@@smillner771 Bay of pig?
Spectator puts out some more information direct from Moscow in the mouth of moscow's paid man😅😅😅😅
Pretty stupid concept this statement about wars ending in negotiations 😅😅
How did the war end with hamas😅😅 was that a that a negotiation
How do you think the war with Hesbola will go ....negotiations ?? 😅
If you keep this up You'll have the Russians at the channel
But i suppose Moscow pays you well 🤮
Cool, when are you going to the front then Bill? Sounds like they need you big fella, all your tough talk might make the difference.
I'm going to quote the great General Melchitt here as I think it's quite apt for you. "If all else fails, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through."
The NeoCons will fight to the last Ukrainian child.
Ukraine destroyed itself with the NeoCon backed coup against the then ELECTED government of Ukraine. 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion.
Israel will have to negotiate in the long run. Its surrounded by a billion Muslims.
Finally a level headed man’s opinion.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thr mans a liar. Why woukd you even give him a voice after everything he has said and so called predicted. If hes an expert on russia, im an expert on ukraine. 😏 Hes full of crap
Open your ears when Putin is talking the world has changed and changed for the good of the world