What a pleasant surprise to pop on my feed today 😲I honestly didn't think this team would make a Cybertron feature! I do love this team - I got 6-3 in Portland with a pretty tough schedule but ultimately struggled with TR. I've actually replaced Landorus with Corviknight for certain matchups (including TR) and it's worked wonders. Got top 4 at my PC yesterday and Corviknight was MVP. Thanks for another feature Aaron!
@@ronnycrawf2441 Set is Tera Fire Rocky Helmet Brave Bird/U-turn/Taunt/Roost. Completely checkmates Landorus-I, "walls" the Ursalunas (realistically still takes a ton but still helps with TR), reflects intimidates, breaks sashes with helmet chip, forces comical amounts of recoil on some mons. Good against some other things too but the ones I listed were things I've struggled with without Corv
I never realized just how many games you play with the teams you feature in each video, that’s a great sample size allowing us viewers to get a good feel of the team! Thank you for being so thorough and intentional, it’s very nice to see
One thing I appreciate with these new Pokemon are how many of them have incredibly acceptable nicknames that aren't used as jokes or memes, just sensible time savers. Flutter, Hands, Ogre, Bax, big stapler bridge.
You played the Best Gouging Fire that I've seen so far. Heat Crash over Flare Blitz is legit!! It was so fun seeing you play with my new favorite pokemon. I bet Groudon and Koraidon in the future will really help it take off even further!
mr aaron i am having a tough time rn but u know gettin to watch n learn from u helps keep my spirits up n motivated n i appreciate u soo very much >__< i hope u r having a nice day !!
PTP is an insane player and team builder. Just played against him with a newer variant of this team yesterday at a 30 man local and it was one of the more intense sets I’ve played. Really strong team with a lot of options!
While we're talking about Encore Whimsicott in a Gouging Fire video, it's worth mentioning that since Burning Bulwark does NOT block status moves, if a Gouging Fire ever tries setting up in front of Whims you can get a guaranteed encore off since it goes through the Bulwark
first of all your content is incredible and alongside with Jeans my favorite Pokémon content by a mile but also that substitute landorus play was awesome and really well thought out I wouldn’t have considered that but so smart
Love your videos, I always get such great insight into the current meta both with the teams you use and the teams you face. I've been using a rain team with Lando-I Quaquavale Archaludon Ogerpon Hearthflame Amoongus and Tornadus. I've been really successful with it so far sitting at top 1000 atm. Thanks for the vids!
Thanks again for all the beautiful content. Seeing a Las Vegas Entei in VGC 2024 feels me with such joy! Feel in love with Entei with the 3rd Pokémon movie cuz he represents my dad. 😅😂 Started watching you during covid days and you have brought light to those darker days and beyond. Thanks for all that you sacrifice and do for this channel. Here’s to an even better 2024 and beyond. 🙏🏼💕💜🌹😍😘
In the last few days I've been listening to "Jungle", apparently I've been hearing them for the past 3 years but I'didnt know it was them if you know what I mean. Anyway I recomend you to listen to any of the last 2 albuns from top to bottom. Greetings from Mexico!
Glad to see the Gouging Fire showcase! I've always loved Fire Dragon as a defensive typing and I think it has a great set of offensive and supportive tools. I've been interested in pairing it with defiant users rather than running clear amulet, especially since it can offer howl support. For QOTD, my most listened artist of 2023 was Bowery Electric. They published a few drone-heavy post rock albums in the '90s and early 2000s that I'm very fond of, though they're admittedly a little inconsistent. I'd highly recommend listening to the songs Empty Words, Lushlife or Next to Nothing.
QOTD: If you like piano, "vs. Yinu - No Straight Roads - Piano Duo" is a piano only version of a Malaysian rhythm game. Each song has an EDM version, rock version, its own theme version and there's a bunch of YT videos out there with multiple combinations of each version of each song or simply isolated versions (like the aforementioned Piano duo, which is one of my personal favorites).
‘The Riff’ - Wilt. They popped up via a recc from a Pomplamousse playlist. The band only has like 5 songs on Spotify but in my head canon it’s a solid EP and the band is gonna go places. Also, if you’ve never heard Lawrence, you’re missing out.
I absolutely love Gouging Fire. Currently running a rocky helmet/howl set along with a DD set on different teams and trying to figure out which I really prefer. As for QOTD: I find it hard to do just one… but go give TheFatRat a listen. He does something really cool with his songs, which I won’t spoil. Specifically listen to ‘Stronger’ followed by ‘Close to the Sun’ or the whole Parallax album in order of chapters
You were asking about that slow Flutter Mane being Pixie Plate or Choice Specs, when you already saw it use a Special Attack Boost energy. You also said “I don’t need to use Tailwind since his Flutter is slow” but you actually would’ve lost if you didn’t, since he still had one turn of Tailwind.
Oh shoot, a new upload from Aaron! And it's Gouging Fire! This looks like a very fun team and you're right, Gouging Fire has a lot of interesting build. I've personally liked both Dragon Dance and Howl Support sets for it. QOTD: If you don't mind JP recommendation, one of my favorite artist as of recent is Ado. I'd recommend her songs Odo and Gira Gira 🙂
I like when you ask for music recommendations! After 8 years my band is finally starting to sell out bigger shows in the New England area. We are called Alright Thanks. We are an indie rock / surf band. We will guest list you at any show haha. Have a good one.
Very funny that in game 5 the whimsicott 1v1s the croak in the endgame just with sunny day and encore, even if you didn't have any attacks or other mons left.
QOTD: Very late here, but I really like "Derby Girl", by Warpstar. The whole album, "Live from Your Stereo", is one I highly recommend. Super varied, a variety songs from the up-tempo to the balladic to the philosophical, even - it's tremendous stuff.
I'm so excited to watch Aaron "Cybertron" Zheng provide live commentary on Gouging Fire, emphasizing his monstrosity as he goes! I've been really into the back tracks on popular 60's-70's rock. Currently enjoying AC/DC's Side B on High Voltage!
absolutely love your content and watch every video, if possible when leading if you could put large pokemon (like gouging fire) on the left it makes it much easier to see everything on the screen thank you!!!
Out of the three paradox beasts they've released, I think Gouging Fire is probably the most well designed both in singles and doubles. Such good typing both offensively and defensively, it reminds me in a way of Heatran. Album rec would be Cibo Matto's "Viva! La Woman", been listening to it a good deal lately. The first song off the album Apple is immediately attention grabbing.
I've been listening to "Red Wine Supernova" by Chappel Roan on repeat lately. Killer pop chorus, and the songwriter is the guy that works on most of Olivia Rodrigo's songs, too.
Fun fact: Dino Entei is the heaviest paradox pokemon overall. (590 kg! Even Emboar's 150kg lol) So heat crash's gonna deal 100+ most of the time, having stab, harsh sunlight, protosynthesis and an extra dragon dance is a literal overkill. Highly recommend Morning sun for him aswell he learns it at 42. With harsh sunlight its 2/3 total hp!
I have a behind the scenes question: Are the games in the same order in the final video as they are in your recording? Because it always seems like game 1 in the video is about showing like a best-case scenario for the flagship Pokemon of the episode (Gouging Fire in this case). In any case I love your videos, much love from Germany
I actually rly love this team, hyper offensive with misdirection and tailwind support i rly love this. Rly helping me get away from my trick room addiction HAHAHAA 🤣😂🤣😂
I think that Burning Bulwark, as well as Spiky Shield, King's Shield, Obstruct, Baneful Bunker or Silk Trap (hope I'm not forgetting about others) should activate their secondary effects against Unseen Fist. At least Unseen Fist, less sure if also against other moves that slip through Protect status like Hyper Driller (definitely not against Feint, which deactivates Protect). I feel like that would make Urshifu way less oppressive, by making it get afflicted by those effects and get punished.
QOTD: I’m absolutely obsessed with NIKI, I’d maybe recommend the songs “Selene” or “Indigo” for more upbeat songs, but she has phenomenal sad songs too
QotD: Anything by Chikoi the Maid, but I highly recommend the whole Leaving Reality album. It's purely instrumental, so it's just about the music. The opening track, My Sweet Little Maid, has some amazing riffs in it. As for Pokemon, while Paradox Pokemon may not explicitly be Legendaries, I still count them as such, similar to Ultra Beasts. So, when I see a team like a lot of what we get now a days, I don't get excited by playing them or by seeing them. At this rate, by the time all the content for Gen 10 is out, teams are going to be nothing but Legendary Pokemon and that's just boring. This may be the last generation that I play and I'll just stick to the older games from there on out.
a song recommendation, huh? what genre do you enjoy? xd could go from: "gloryhammer - keeper of the celestial flame" over "red - gave it all away" over to "tschaikowsky - swan lake" over "linkin park - from the inside" over "eminem - without me" over "hisaishi - merry go round life" all the way over to "caravan palace - brotherswing" which are all pretty great tracks of their specific (sub)genre, so tough to randomly shout out a song :p
QOTDA Aaron I remember that aespa shirt~, do you like Twice too? I am addicted to hearing then and Tzuyu is soooo cute Also, might be a stretch but I would suggest Attarashi Gakko, they're SOOOO UNIQUE AND COOL
Song Rec: Let's Get Back by No Doubt off their self-titled 1992 album. Gwen Stefani does a great job bringing some essential ska music to the world. It's good, clean fun for people who want something energetic and upbeat
What do y’all think is the best way to keep up with the meta? Going to charlotte for my first ever tourny and feel like I’m gonna show up with a team that’s weeks behind
I don’t know about a single song to recommend, but if you enjoy hip hop at all I highly recommend you listen to “The Unseen” by Quasimoto or “Dwight Spitz” by Count Bass D. Both are great and super fun to listen to
I know it's an extra slot on whim but i like to run both tailwind and trick room on him trick room if you know theyll tailwind or trick room and tailwind for everything else
What a pleasant surprise to pop on my feed today 😲I honestly didn't think this team would make a Cybertron feature! I do love this team - I got 6-3 in Portland with a pretty tough schedule but ultimately struggled with TR. I've actually replaced Landorus with Corviknight for certain matchups (including TR) and it's worked wonders. Got top 4 at my PC yesterday and Corviknight was MVP.
Thanks for another feature Aaron!
What has corv been helpful for in this format?
@@ronnycrawf2441 Set is Tera Fire Rocky Helmet Brave Bird/U-turn/Taunt/Roost. Completely checkmates Landorus-I, "walls" the Ursalunas (realistically still takes a ton but still helps with TR), reflects intimidates, breaks sashes with helmet chip, forces comical amounts of recoil on some mons. Good against some other things too but the ones I listed were things I've struggled with without Corv
@@MrPChizzlebeen looking into Corvinight and this may inspire me to finally ev one lol
Same!!! Cyberton content is my #1 way to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon
I liked the video bc of your comment
I’m very sick currently and watching your content has kept me sane throughout the week. Thank you for all the hard work you do!
I hope you get well soon! Thank you for watching :)
I never realized just how many games you play with the teams you feature in each video, that’s a great sample size allowing us viewers to get a good feel of the team! Thank you for being so thorough and intentional, it’s very nice to see
I've been saying Heat Crash since Day 1. That thing is HEAVY. I'm glad it's finally being used.
Absolutely same here
Have you seen is defence state? He is a thicc boy
One thing I appreciate with these new Pokemon are how many of them have incredibly acceptable nicknames that aren't used as jokes or memes, just sensible time savers. Flutter, Hands, Ogre, Bax, big stapler bridge.
You played the Best Gouging Fire that I've seen so far.
Heat Crash over Flare Blitz is legit!!
It was so fun seeing you play with my new favorite pokemon.
I bet Groudon and Koraidon in the future will really help it take off even further!
I'm so here for the PTCG card art as the thumbnails they look great 🔥
What’s crazy is I don’t even play VGC but it’s a lot of fun to watch you play
Thanks so much for still posting in January. We all really appreciate seeing your videos. They're always the highlight of my day.
that was me in battle 3! Very well played Cybertron! I was hoping you would try to encore trick room lol
mr aaron i am having a tough time rn but u know gettin to watch n learn from u helps keep my spirits up n motivated n i appreciate u soo very much >__< i hope u r having a nice day !!
I'm rooting for you, things will get better - thank you for watching 💙
Gouging fire is cool. Glad you made a video showcasing it
PTP is an insane player and team builder. Just played against him with a newer variant of this team yesterday at a 30 man local and it was one of the more intense sets I’ve played. Really strong team with a lot of options!
While we're talking about Encore Whimsicott in a Gouging Fire video, it's worth mentioning that since Burning Bulwark does NOT block status moves, if a Gouging Fire ever tries setting up in front of Whims you can get a guaranteed encore off since it goes through the Bulwark
Whimsicott after encoring Toxicroak into fake out a second time: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Old Man?"
Aaron's mentality is always so impressive. I've never seen him tilt or misplay due to emotions.
I think it's impossible to tilt if you've missed that many Will-O-Wisps in a row before
It can't possibly get worse than that lol
first of all your content is incredible and alongside with Jeans my favorite Pokémon content by a mile but also that substitute landorus play was awesome and really well thought out I wouldn’t have considered that but so smart
gouging fire is really strong, suprised it hasnt had much time in the spotlight
Love your videos, I always get such great insight into the current meta both with the teams you use and the teams you face.
I've been using a rain team with Lando-I Quaquavale Archaludon Ogerpon Hearthflame Amoongus and Tornadus. I've been really successful with it so far sitting at top 1000 atm.
Thanks for the vids!
Nothing like a Gouging Fire vid to warm our hearts during these snowy days.
Thanks again for all the beautiful content. Seeing a Las Vegas Entei in VGC 2024 feels me with such joy! Feel in love with Entei with the 3rd Pokémon movie cuz he represents my dad. 😅😂 Started watching you during covid days and you have brought light to those darker days and beyond. Thanks for all that you sacrifice and do for this channel. Here’s to an even better 2024 and beyond. 🙏🏼💕💜🌹😍😘
I love when Aaron "Cybertron" Zheng uploads a youtube video making it a highlight of my day 🙂
Great video as always! as far as QOTD, it isn't out yet but I know your a big Weeknd fan and he hinted at his new album coming!! cant wait for that!!!
In Game 2 Aaron was like Oh Booster Flutter special attack, then completely forgot and started thinking other items LOL love u man
Honestly makes me feel a lot better about myself to see Aaron forget that Fluttermane was Booster Energy in game 2 lol. Even the best make mistakes!
He paid attention to see what was the boost then immediately forgot lol
Classic Cybertron moment tbh, happens more often than you think esp if you're trying to play 4d chess vgc
The Trick Room games were so interesting to watch.
That was me in battle 4 (I was Evan). Very nice team.
30:53 encore is so funny, love that move
I’ve always been a singles player, recently got into doubles from doing the battle tower from XY. Love your content ❤
In the last few days I've been listening to "Jungle", apparently I've been hearing them for the past 3 years but I'didnt know it was them if you know what I mean. Anyway I recomend you to listen to any of the last 2 albuns from top to bottom. Greetings from Mexico!
Glad to see the Gouging Fire showcase! I've always loved Fire Dragon as a defensive typing and I think it has a great set of offensive and supportive tools. I've been interested in pairing it with defiant users rather than running clear amulet, especially since it can offer howl support.
For QOTD, my most listened artist of 2023 was Bowery Electric. They published a few drone-heavy post rock albums in the '90s and early 2000s that I'm very fond of, though they're admittedly a little inconsistent. I'd highly recommend listening to the songs Empty Words, Lushlife or Next to Nothing.
QOTD: If you like piano, "vs. Yinu - No Straight Roads - Piano Duo" is a piano only version of a Malaysian rhythm game. Each song has an EDM version, rock version, its own theme version and there's a bunch of YT videos out there with multiple combinations of each version of each song or simply isolated versions (like the aforementioned Piano duo, which is one of my personal favorites).
Excellent choice!
I’ve been waiting for a gouging fire build 🎉
‘The Riff’ - Wilt. They popped up via a recc from a Pomplamousse playlist. The band only has like 5 songs on Spotify but in my head canon it’s a solid EP and the band is gonna go places. Also, if you’ve never heard Lawrence, you’re missing out.
The Thumbnails have been so sick for reg f I hope you keep it up, also great content as always
3 hours of Cybertron content in 2 days? LFG 💃🏼
Okey for my song recommendation I got: "La conexión, acoustic" by Leo Rizzi. Just give him 1 min of ur time, it will be worth it
I absolutely love Gouging Fire. Currently running a rocky helmet/howl set along with a DD set on different teams and trying to figure out which I really prefer.
As for QOTD: I find it hard to do just one… but go give TheFatRat a listen. He does something really cool with his songs, which I won’t spoil. Specifically listen to ‘Stronger’ followed by ‘Close to the Sun’ or the whole Parallax album in order of chapters
Yo im digging these new thumbnails for the proto-legendary trio
Appreciate the Gouging Fire stuff! QotD is fun; if I want something while working I'm a big fan of anything by Vivaldi.
The song neon blood and other singy vapor wave is incredible
1h25 of content? Pure bliss ✨
Dat thumbnail! 🤩
You were asking about that slow Flutter Mane being Pixie Plate or Choice Specs, when you already saw it use a Special Attack Boost energy. You also said “I don’t need to use Tailwind since his Flutter is slow” but you actually would’ve lost if you didn’t, since he still had one turn of Tailwind.
What a sick thumbnail!
Oh shoot, a new upload from Aaron! And it's Gouging Fire! This looks like a very fun team and you're right, Gouging Fire has a lot of interesting build. I've personally liked both Dragon Dance and Howl Support sets for it.
QOTD: If you don't mind JP recommendation, one of my favorite artist as of recent is Ado. I'd recommend her songs Odo and Gira Gira 🙂
I like when you ask for music recommendations!
After 8 years my band is finally starting to sell out bigger shows in the New England area. We are called Alright Thanks. We are an indie rock / surf band. We will guest list you at any show haha. Have a good one.
Very funny that in game 5 the whimsicott 1v1s the croak in the endgame just with sunny day and encore, even if you didn't have any attacks or other mons left.
QOTD: Very late here, but I really like "Derby Girl", by Warpstar. The whole album, "Live from Your Stereo", is one I highly recommend. Super varied, a variety songs from the up-tempo to the balladic to the philosophical, even - it's tremendous stuff.
watching this to destress!!!!
QODT: Diddy Bop by noname ! you could like it, remembering the posters of artists you had on your wall in your old flat 😸
I’ve been loving Meat Grinder by MF Doom, and Moving by The Happy Fits, thanks for the content!
Haven’t gotten to play much since sword and shield. But you’re the best their is at watching and leaning
I'm so excited to watch Aaron "Cybertron" Zheng provide live commentary on Gouging Fire, emphasizing his monstrosity as he goes!
I've been really into the back tracks on popular 60's-70's rock. Currently enjoying AC/DC's Side B on High Voltage!
I love Gouging Fire. I run a support oriented Fire with Breaking Swipe and Howl
Chambers of reflection - Mac de Marco. Give it a listen Aaron!
Dexter and the moonrocks are a band I had introduced to me recently. I’m a big fan!
absolutely love your content and watch every video, if possible when leading if you could put large pokemon (like gouging fire) on the left it makes it much easier to see everything on the screen thank you!!!
Love this team. Thank you. Song recommendation: Envy Green by Arcadian Wild.
I thought “gouging fire” sounded really dumb at first but now it sounds amazing
I'm glad Gouging Fire's tail comes from where a tail should be and not the back of its head, like Entei...
Out of the three paradox beasts they've released, I think Gouging Fire is probably the most well designed both in singles and doubles. Such good typing both offensively and defensively, it reminds me in a way of Heatran.
Album rec would be Cibo Matto's "Viva! La Woman", been listening to it a good deal lately. The first song off the album Apple is immediately attention grabbing.
another day, more superb content
I've been listening to "Red Wine Supernova" by Chappel Roan on repeat lately. Killer pop chorus, and the songwriter is the guy that works on most of Olivia Rodrigo's songs, too.
Fun fact: Dino Entei is the heaviest paradox pokemon overall. (590 kg! Even Emboar's 150kg lol) So heat crash's gonna deal 100+ most of the time, having stab, harsh sunlight, protosynthesis and an extra dragon dance is a literal overkill.
Highly recommend Morning sun for him aswell he learns it at 42. With harsh sunlight its 2/3 total hp!
I have a behind the scenes question:
Are the games in the same order in the final video as they are in your recording?
Because it always seems like game 1 in the video is about showing like a best-case scenario for the flagship Pokemon of the episode (Gouging Fire in this case).
In any case I love your videos, much love from Germany
“Don’t Dance” by Anthony Green 🤙
A song I’ve been digging is 2 A.M. by Antonio Barrett!
Shiny Toxicroak looks sick
I actually rly love this team, hyper offensive with misdirection and tailwind support i rly love this. Rly helping me get away from my trick room addiction HAHAHAA 🤣😂🤣😂
Aaron you’re the man, love these vids and about to get my reg F team going
Ah this is the team I've been playing all day on showdown
I think that Burning Bulwark, as well as Spiky Shield, King's Shield, Obstruct, Baneful Bunker or Silk Trap (hope I'm not forgetting about others) should activate their secondary effects against Unseen Fist. At least Unseen Fist, less sure if also against other moves that slip through Protect status like Hyper Driller (definitely not against Feint, which deactivates Protect).
I feel like that would make Urshifu way less oppressive, by making it get afflicted by those effects and get punished.
QOTD: I’m absolutely obsessed with NIKI, I’d maybe recommend the songs “Selene” or “Indigo” for more upbeat songs, but she has phenomenal sad songs too
QotD: Anything by Chikoi the Maid, but I highly recommend the whole Leaving Reality album. It's purely instrumental, so it's just about the music. The opening track, My Sweet Little Maid, has some amazing riffs in it.
As for Pokemon, while Paradox Pokemon may not explicitly be Legendaries, I still count them as such, similar to Ultra Beasts. So, when I see a team like a lot of what we get now a days, I don't get excited by playing them or by seeing them. At this rate, by the time all the content for Gen 10 is out, teams are going to be nothing but Legendary Pokemon and that's just boring. This may be the last generation that I play and I'll just stick to the older games from there on out.
Big agree on both fronts
Aaron totally forgot flutter was booster in game 2
In Your Eyes - BADBADNOTGOOD ft. Charlotte Day Wilson (always love your vids !)
How did you come up with the name Cybertron VGC? I'm just curious.
a song recommendation, huh? what genre do you enjoy? xd
could go from:
"gloryhammer - keeper of the celestial flame"
over "red - gave it all away"
over to "tschaikowsky - swan lake"
over "linkin park - from the inside"
over "eminem - without me"
over "hisaishi - merry go round life"
all the way over to "caravan palace - brotherswing"
which are all pretty great tracks of their specific (sub)genre, so tough to randomly shout out a song :p
In game 4, the focus sash animation never showed up for Chien-Pao. Is that a bug or did it survive on one hp lol
SiIvagunner music!
(Been running Gouging recently, Howl has been doing well for me rn)
Mr. Aaron Cybertron Zheng, what is your opinion on the move quash?
QOTDA
Aaron I remember that aespa shirt~, do you like Twice too? I am addicted to hearing then and Tzuyu is soooo cute
Also, might be a stretch but I would suggest Attarashi Gakko, they're SOOOO UNIQUE AND COOL
Never clicked so fast on a video Aaron 😅 Gouging Fire is Fire
QOTD: Pools by Glass Animals! It's a recent favorite of mine because of an animation I saw using it as the audio.
Wait did he made a third protect there at 27:40 ? Or did I miss a move?
QOTD: My favorite artist is called GRiZ. I’m from Detroit, so is he. Look up his song called “The prayer” it’s very good. And positive. Like you
The fact he battled Tik Toker Slim Topher is crazy
This video is (Gouging) Fire!!! Let’s gooooo
Huh. That terakion got a triple protect off while encored. Kind of neat, didn't help him, but it was neat.
Song Rec: Let's Get Back by No Doubt off their self-titled 1992 album. Gwen Stefani does a great job bringing some essential ska music to the world. It's good, clean fun for people who want something energetic and upbeat
What do y’all think is the best way to keep up with the meta? Going to charlotte for my first ever tourny and feel like I’m gonna show up with a team that’s weeks behind
I don’t know about a single song to recommend, but if you enjoy hip hop at all I highly recommend you listen to “The Unseen” by Quasimoto or “Dwight Spitz” by Count Bass D. Both are great and super fun to listen to
Sounds cool
I know it's an extra slot on whim but i like to run both tailwind and trick room on him
trick room if you know theyll tailwind or trick room and tailwind for everything else
Aotd: lo que tu me das by juanpalitoschinos is so underrated! love this song
QOTD : this month, I enjoy listening to the music for Dr. Facilier's Death
I'm using trick room Gallade in the actual Regulation, it's so strong especially with wide guard!
Ah I see, the quadruped dragon dog can dragon dance but bipedal garchomp cannot
the thumbnail goes unnecessarily hard