The Ancient Zombie Massacre | Minecraft Deep Dive
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- There is evidence everywhere that there used to be a humanoid species that roamed the Minecraft world. But now, there are only zombies and skeletons. What happened? How did such a prolific species die off? Join me for a Deep Dive to find out!
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“Nobody knew how to craft enchanted golden apples except for them.”
Old Minecrafters: *Maybe I am an Ancient Builder.*
I was thinking the same thing... Ah yes... The ancient sacred texts... I was there when they were written...
I managed to craft one just for the achievement. Those were the days
No way I just ate them as a road snack 👌🚗💨
@@xxphoenixxx5314 damn
@@Vinter927 same
*Ancient builders* : Enslaved piglens.
*Steve* : Enslave Every living thing in Automatic Farms!
Very accurate
So, Steve is a modern builder?
I'm starting to think that we are the bad guys... 😓
@@mrasooly2012 we are
@@tayemdokany6931
Doesn’t matter
Something I just realized that goes along with this theory. When the ancient builders needed gold, they didn't just mine in the nether. They set up massive gold mines in mesas, where gold is plentiful. That's why there is so many mineshafts there, and nowhere else.
So why all gold in those mines are untouched?
@@targashsensei7900 I mean you could write it off as too much work to remove gold ore specifically from mineshafts in mesas, or just them not being very smart. Considering there aren't any ores of any type missing from mineshafts, its easy to wonder why and there's a lot to question about that detail alone.
Also, maybe there was just more gold there that we can't see and what remains is simply what is left over.
Or somehow the gold "reappeared" over time or something equally weird and a theory of its own.
@@targashsensei7900 This is the differemce between Game Mechanics and lore. Removing the ores would make the game harder to program and less fun to play. So they kept it. But in lore, these mines are stipped bare.
We could say that over the course of many years, many of the ores eventually formed once more, since it can happen in real life, so why not here? However, the ores are nowhere near as plentiful as they were before.
No, that was there first gold mining effort
I would like to see a theory on how spawners came to be. They seem to be quite magical being able to create life.
I don't think they are cannon. The ones in Mineshafts are just used to create the effect of a Spiders Nest. Probably the same sorta thing for the other Spawners
They are a structre like every other. They also appear in woodland mansions. Definetly canon and a key to this undead plague
I think they are pocket dimensions
@@ironzombie3987 what about the zombie and skeleton ones
@@Jaded_Gold same thing, they could just be to make an effect of a dungeon swarming with monsters. Not saying I necessarily agree that they aren't canon to any lore though
"The humans were bringing more than just gold from the nether"
Fucking chills
This guy is an absolute professional at storytelling.
dude, the suspension is intense. My man had to have written at least a good story in his lifetime. This guy is so good.
fr ngl but shiver my fuckin timber’s
ikr
Ikr?
I always thought that the zombie virus actually came from the builders learning to cast spells for the first time, with the magic actually consuming them, the more they possessed it. I thought of this because of how the Witches and Illagers look like they too are being consumed by the power of magic, as they indulge themselves more in it.
My theory for the illagers and witches having pale skin is because they stay indoors most of the time unlike the villagers who are always working and socializing outside
Thats possible too. But we dont have a way to create a zombie without a zombie. From the other side we dont have recipe for god apple, so still possible
This might fit in how experience is linked to life and experience is required for enchanting. Like maybe it's possible to enchant with zero levels just the player character doesn't have the option to, and doing so drains their own life
Who says it didn't?
I always thought it came from the first time they summoned the wither. Like “the beginning” of there end.
This video gave me the idea that the ancient builders were the players on old versions - before the nether was discovered, before the endermen came to overworld, before enchanted gapples were uncraftable, before villagers came to be... we've witnessed this story and created it. So we can merge together the "zombies are ancient builders" theory with "zombies are past lives of players" one. (it has issues, like why did we meet zombified piglins before the actual piglins, but i like the self-continuous vibe it gives, like all the versions of minecraft are part of its own history)
The zombies dont sprint because sprinting wasn't a feature in older versions of minecraft
The old nether was a barren wasteland because the old players didn't bother to explore it. I like this theory
I agree, this theory is so fun to me, I don't mind that there are some plot holes
@@tanjeeschuan4999And in other videos he says the Nether WAS just one biome before the builders started changing it
maybe coz we meet the zombified piglin first and then got infected ourselves and try to cure them and ourselves thats why they were helping at first to get gold and as one user here commented why theres sign of mining for both gold in both world.. and thats why the piglin is so crazy about gold and will trade us gold for it.. and the reason why piglin rebel probably after they realise their infected member dont attack them at all.. so they thought they can make the cure themselves but well as we can see that didnt work out..probably just my theory
Considering the Phantom is an "undead" mob, it's interesting to think what they were like before they were infected.
I think he already did a video on that thing
@@mertsoup9113 He did yes. They were simply pointing out that it is interesting to think about what they were like, since we only know the undead version.
bord
Group of multiple highly advanced people and many endermen: *dies to dragon*
Some dude with a few beds: 🧍♂️
bruh
kinda true tho. Thats what I never got in some of these theories. If one dude with no formal training can kill a dragon, why cant the supposed race of ancient builders?
@@heliothrax7716 Maybe they were weaker than Steve? It's not realistic that a human could fall 22 meters without dying. Maybe the builders didn't properly gear up, not anticipating that the fourth dimension would have a powerful dragon?
@@heliothrax7716 the player knows how to defeat it and knows its weaknesses but the builders and endermen didnt know that
@@oggo329 i mean its not too difficult to imagine how to do so though. No cryptic sort of information was really required, and im sure a hyperadvanced group of two people could figure out the crystals needed to be destroyed.
Ancient Builders: "We're awesome."
RGN: "No, you guys were just pretty evil and selfish."
Earnestly its survival so I fucks wit wm
That why everyone hates your descendant
Ths is the fate of every intelligent being
@@jaredmizzell869 Except the piglins, who knew nothing but mining because they were manipulated.
@@juliecraze9310 well if they know nothing but mining I'm pretty sure they can not be considered a intelligent people if you know what I'm saying
Theory: Steve is one of the last ancient builders and the only reason he isn't undead is because the ancient builders started building a tolerance to the virus like how europeans got used to their diseases but the native americans didn't because their bodies weren't used to it.
A Steve and Alex, and end credits need a theory, feel like the two are connected some how. Like the Gods resurrected a ancient-builder to undo the sins of their ancestors. Would be pretty neat.
Ferb I know what we are going to do today.
Where's Perry?
Oh there you are Perry.
Could they be Time Travelers maybe? Or something else?
And they proceed to abuse every living being for their own benefit, constructing massive automated farms and enslaving everything in their quest for more riches
This guy's narrative is awesome AF
It made me more excited about this lore than any other movie available right now
Thank you!
True true
such a well-thought-out story
Agreed. I presonally belive this version of Minecraft's lore to be better than MatPat's
@@RetroGamingNowI have a theory what if minecraft is going back in time I have a little proof if you watch the 1.16 trailer the one we're the pigment are dancing u will see a sheep in the nether but why we'll go to the 1.17 trailer and u see that the goat hit the sheep in the nether and I have more proof but to tired to type rn
I very much enjoyed the narrative you presented! Super well made and entertaining as usual. Especially the convincing and smooth connection to the creation of the dragon
10/10 would be wiped out again
Hi wifies
Ngl your theories are very connected and well researched, you are the champ of theories.
hi
lol
Hi
Hopefully soon, once 1.19 is released, we'll get a Deep Dive discussing the Warden.
Did he just made-up baselessly the idea that 'Ancient Builders tamed and used Phantoms'?
Also, the Gold in the Monuments makes no sense. The amount of Gold is clearly and obviously
not showing a Storage-Place.
@@slevinchannel7589 Have you even watched the other videos??????????????????? Like the one this theory is based upon. The phantom one made sense and though it was a leap, he already said that and it would explain phantom behaviour. In the temple video he said that they didn't have time to fill up the temples. You need to understand what a theory is and do research before trying to say that someone is outright wrong bruh.
@@slevinchannel7589 this is why Retro recommends to watch the other theories first
@@slevinchannel7589 my brother in christ nobody said that these theories are canon, hense why theyre theories
Wish granted
my theory is that the player was a zombie momements before booting up the game, who was cured by sheer luck, but ina way that now means they're immune,a nd effectivly imortal. As the magic that cured them binds them to the place they were cured
this has always kind of been my idea, at least that the player is immune. The fact that you don't become a zombie even when killed by one is pretty noteworthy
I like to think that a strain of the Ancient Builders are alive and Steve is the last one, on the run from the monsters that wish his death.
Hence why he can do so much that the Ancient Builders could do.
@@lordbonney9779 maybe this has some connection with the disk 11? Maybe the recording is by steve itself and the disk broke when he was attacked at the end of the recording. He somehow fends off the attacker (which could be an infected ancient builder) and he hides it around the world. Just a possible proof considering your theory was true.
I love this take on it
@Little Chickey Hudak he don't know that
I guess it makes more sense if you approach it as Hardcore more, you can't respawn. That's just a game mechanic. We can't add to lore the fact you can change to creative and fly around right?
You've talked about the ancient builders through out the series but now we're looking at them entirely
f o r e s h a d o w i n g
but we dont know how they look
so we are just looking at what we think they were
@@srhotty ahh they look like Steve?
No fucking shit
It’s finally time! Been waiting for this episode since the start of the series!
joe mama
I think we all have. It was important we get other topics outta the way but now it's here
Me to
I feel that, like many great civilisations, the Ancient Builders were FAR too over extended.
By this, I mean they were somewhat like the British Empire, they controlled land in each corner of the 3 realms and due to this great swath of land they weren’t able to properly mobilise a military. They would’ve had to keep garrisons in Bastions and Villages, and wouldn’t have been able to respond to the undead outbreak.
I believe that if the Ancient Builders did one of two things they could’ve survived as a species:
1) Not push their boundaries as much. If they expanded slower they would’ve been more secure, an empire is nothing without foundations.
2) Expanded far more in the End and Nether. If they established far greater holds over the Nether and End they might have been able to cut off all contact with the Overworld until a proper “counter attack” and cure could be enacted.
Basically, "no half measures, Waltuh"
They were also probably not as population dense as we dont see many giant cities and crumbling homestead like singular houses and temples. Similar to mongols/native American's, they only built buildings when they see it as meaningful. Then this means that not only were they overextended but simply a ruling caste which didnt have enough manpower to defeat the wither/zombie army and thus were destroyed except for Steve, the prophetic hero.
Maybe the builders tried to make a powerful beast for digging at extreme rates aka the wither, but the wither turned hostile towards them and killed many builders and rest were infected with wither disease making them into wither skeletons, however some wither skeletons escaped the nether by nether portals and infected everyone in the overworld, however the environment being different made the builders zombies and skeletons
I like this version
Personally I thought the pigs turned into piglins because they were eating food from the nether like nether warts and stuff. Maybe that combined with the heat made them turn into piglins.
true, although when a pig is struck with lightning it turns into a zombie piglin so the heat probably did the most, RGN covered this in his piglin vid. Although maybe the absence of the nether food with the lightning maybe made it a zombie? He noticed the zombie part as a flaw in his theory but maybe this fixes the theory. Well done ig
I like to think Pigs became hoglins, and Piglins are due to ancient builder experiments to adapt to the nether to escape the over world zombie virus
Same cause the wapred fungus warps people
@@sergeantsainsburys9181 I like the theory that Warped fungus came due to enderman teleporting into the nether
Makes sence that buildiers hadnt developed antibodies i think matpat did a theory like this
Alt theory: the undead are all the player, or at least the character the player controls; having lived before in an endless cycle, the previous bodies were reanimated, potentially by a lightning strike: pigs struck by lightning become zombie pigmen, after all.
thats a good theory
I like it, do you think the player loses their memory each loop, and what do you think makes the loop when we start playing suddenly different than all the previous one?
@@stiw91 Perhaps it's less that the player loses memory each loop, but more that they were retained until we gain control. Or maybe the End void still holds the previous incarnation of the player, not quite dead, not quite alive, but somehow retaining all of his memories. After all, it seems a little strange that plunging into the void can cause such a quick death.
True, plus it wouldn't make much sense for the desert and jungle temples across the world to all have the same designs if the player lost their memory
it can also explain how he knows to get wood and make a crafting table and that probably buried in his mind as instinct
This is honestly one of the more underrated Deep Dives. I actually really liked this one, and it's one of my favorites that I've seen so far!
I love these interpretations of the Minecraft lore. I’ve always thought there was some sort of meaning behind the mobs and structures as they seemed bizarre.
I genuinely wish Mojang would hire you to write this stuff officially, and even add on to it.
I think part of what makes Minecraft feel so special is the mystery that enshrouds its universe's history. Having an official "canon" history would remove some of that mysteriousness and could make the exploration and adventure feel much less exciting.
@@poggin honestly. this is the game that’s renowned for being able to basically do whatever you want it in - whether it’s building, farming, fishing, mining, etc. it’s so fitting to have a sandbox that gives you a great amount of pieces to create a story that may or may not be right. it would feel so out of character of such a freedom heavy game to have something that huge set in stone.
@@poggin you would still be able to do everything you did before regardless of whether or not there is a pre-game lore
@@poggin I even agree, even if (assuming) the story of the video was official, it would make sense not to know the story since we arrived in a desolate world without knowing what happened there.
I don’t, the magic is it being up to you. Just cause I like his idea doesn’t mean I want it official
A devoloper: *releases a game with a small unintended feature*
RetroGamingNow: So, I will tell you how this extra pixel implies that there is a super multiverse with a lot of aliens!
This is just a joke, not hating.
Crazy to think how much of this goes back to random additions by notch. However, after the Microsoft acquisition, I feel like they’ve been much more intentional about the lore. At the very least, they want people to make stuff up to a certain extent
@@hyperdreamer9307 My guy. Its a joke. But your right tho
@@RetroGamingNow dang. DANG. I actually got a comment from this guy.
@@hyperdreamer9307 Oh of course not, I was just making the point of the comment clear. and thank you.
I believe the cure for zombification is just the golden apple, I think the potion of weakness is just applied to get the apple into the zombie's mouth without getting bitten
Maybe many ender dragons came through that portal, and only one was left because the others were either hunted by both the enderman and builders or they simply all died of age and the sole survivor, Jean, was kept alive by the end crystals. Until the descendant, Steve, comes to the end and slays it once and for all.
I just imagined a vast portal opening and literally thousands of Ender Dragons spilling into the End
My theory is the player is an ancient builder. And the "chosen one" of them. Given immortality
*hardcore intensifys*
It would be interesting to see RGN's take on the Player's ability to respawn.
@@kyanoang3l0_old I believe hes already mentioned in a video that the respawn mechanic is a "game" mechanic, so its nessercery for the game, not a lore mechanic, such as ruins and temples.
@@sebchambers7140 Hadcore spectator intensifies even more
As the chosen one that'd explain how the player is able to hop between universes, aka creating new worlds to explore
What if steve spawned in because the Illagers and the Enderman had somehow made contact, and the Illagers created steve to help the endermen and free the end? That would explain the steve room in the mansions, but also Steve's immunity to the plague, maybe steve isn't even immune, but whenever he dies they create a new steve. This goes back to the golem video as well, the illagers made a simulated living being, then found a way to cheat death, but maybe the next step after that is the creation of life. And the question asked at the end of the golem video, (are there any golems who have turned on their creators/masters that we have overlooked) maybe the golem who turned on his master was Steve.
I considered this too, but it doesn't explain why the illagers attack the player on sight
@@harrymanocha4533 yeah that is a good question. Maybe steve was an experiment gone wrong? Maybe they were trying to make something and accidentally created an ancient builder instead? Maybe they made him on purpose, but somehow lost track of him and he escaped and now they are trying to capture him, or just kill him because they arent willing to take any chances.
My guess is Steve is a boss mob
Think about how much the player can achieve:
-a pocket dimension that contains all his items
-immortality or respawn
-conquered the overworld, nether and end
Maybe he is a God. Maybe he represents human kind's rage - their will to persevere, to overcome that which would threaten our survival. He is uncompromising, a relentless being of violence that knows no mention of the hesitation shown by our many leaders and politicians during our time of judgement.
Maybe Steve isn't a golem.... I partly agree with your theory. Maybe the Illagers were trying to recreate a being as powerful as the builders, along with the immunities that the builders lacked. And maybe they were trying to make this creation with the intention of making it a puppet or a slave. Someone that could do their bidding. But bcoz Steve was so smart and now also sentient after being successfully brought to life, he learnt the opposite of what the Illagers taught him. He saw the evil in their ways, but also realised the mistakes of his own "ancestors". Which is why he rebels and escapes the Illagers.... This would explain why they want to kill him. He's kinda like a rogue agent, a threat to them if he gets powerful enough... And this explains why the minecraft "story" comes to a finish only by freeing the end. Maybe during his learning process, Steve felt guilty for what his "ancestors" did, and decides to make it his mission to undo their biggest mistake.
Note:- I made a lot of leaps while writing this theory, so please take it with a grain of salt. 😅
i think in the end poem it says whenever you die it was just a dream and that is why you spawn next to your bed when you respawn although the poem isnt really cannon i think
A theory I have is that the builders probably try to genetically modify themselves to be immune and create the player but the player didn’t come alive or wake up until centuries later.
The potential portal in the new Deep Dark Cities potentially adds to the theory that the Ancient Builders wanted to find a way out, but there was something back there that made it uninhabitable (Skulk and the Warden) which, as implied by Disc 5, followed through the portal and eventually took over the lower levels of the Minecraft world.
I can't believe you do your own music... just amazing!
This one was different, too: I wrote the music first, and then added the script on top!
@@RetroGamingNow here me out. What if the larger monuments were super weapons designed to destroy the zombie outbreak but if failed. And the player must reach a certain level to use all of the old tech. And the mining and crafting was imprinted into the players mind when the player was designed as a last ditch effort to save their race.
@@acememetics7947 You might be right, and btw, I thought Steve could be actually a cyborg, weapons implemented from the builders to destroy the dangers of the world and might be why Steve is immune to the virus.
@@-Hexag0n yeah that could be true too. I do admit I borrowed some concepts from Halo Lore. Like the super weapon to destroy the out break. And the imprinting ideas into peoples heads so they can use your tech. Here is a link to the specific section of Halo Lore I got it from ua-cam.com/video/ZPmuX2jd2ZU/v-deo.html
this video got me to realize that assuming the part at the end dragon is true where it was summoned accidentally. in a panicked fit to undo what they had just done they scrambled to construct something similar to what we would call a faraday cage on at least 2 of the pillars. only to find it wasn't having an effect and that magical energy just didn't work like electrical energy
I like it
Ooo that’s a good theory!!
How about the end ship dragon heads?
@@CianHue could be fake or could be that they previously attempted to kill the dragon through other means only to have it come back shortly later and the heads are from the times they managed to kill it. But it always left behind an egg that would quickly grow back into the beast, so eventually they gave up and groups of the Endermen trapped there with it turned to worshiping it.
@@CianHue fossils?
I personally love the idea that the ancient builders were people playing earlier versions of the game before hostile mobs and things. I know it's a theory with so many plot holes but it feels wonderfully nostalgic and meta to me
I like to imagine the illagers were Messing with magic and thats why you suddenly appear, that special room in the mansion with all the colored wool that matches the player, some magical effect put onto it can create the long lost ancient builder, but due to magic not being perfected, you spawn randomly into the world
I absolutley love this series! Taking something as basic as Minecraft and connecting the little details to make a cohesive narritive lore is really impressive
RGN: The Ancient Builders tried to make themselves a great and prospering civilization, but in the end, that was there downfall.
Roman Empire: welcome to the club
And all it took was an unstoppable undead virus. 🦠
Lol
@@Superfan109 *cough* corona *cough*
Imagine actually having your massive empire spanning between 3 continents get defeated by a bunch of literal barbarians .
@@priyankahazarika2858 If you think that Corona will be the end of our species, or even civilization, you know nothing of your history. We've survived so much worse than Covid that frankly, the fact we call it a pandemic is only on technicality. See the Spanish Flu, Black Death, and many many many more.
Personally, I always thought that the sickness might've been because of the builders' travels through dimensions, similar to how piglins turn to zombie piglins, because the overworld's air became toxic to them over time. If that were true, i believe the builders might've gone to too many different worlds at a time which might've turned them into zombies, or perhaps a mix of different components from the 3 dimensions made them sick over time, and when they all discovered it, there was no time to stop it anymore
This is a really wholesome channel. If I had kids I'd be happy for them to watch this channel.
This theory is giving me some "Adventure Time" vibes, a vibrant world with magic yet it was the remnant of an old world that is years after an apocalyptic event.
thought the same thing
Like minecraft is set far into the future
Always felt like that to me
While i dont agree with large important parts of the theory such as there being more then one dragon as evidence by the dragon heads put on end ships or Piglins miraculously appearing rather then slowly evolving from pigs left behind when the ancient builders were already long gone. I love the production of this video very much
@notsureofausername Not necessarily.. i mean you're right, it does do that IRL but there's not evidence in game that that would be true. Remember this is also a world where food never rots. The only thing close i would say to blocks decaying would be copper
idea,what if the dragon heads on the end ships were artificial,and they attracted the dragon due to him thinking they were real and wanting to avenge the dragons which he thought were real, he used his mightiest power to manipulate the end crystals while the portal was opened causing the portal to summon him?
@@aricreech498 The dragon heads being fake would be cool but the method of obtaining the other mob heads (from the mob themself) would make it consistent to think that these mob heads did come from the dragon itself
Actually, in regard to piglins, I believe that they came about by lightning strike. Since it would have happened before the infection the pigs would have turned into normal piglins rather than the zombified ones
The dragon heads on End Ships don't really make sense. Are they just decorative figureheads? Do the endermen believe they can scare away the dragon with them? Are they real heads from other dragons?
Also, why does the Ender Dragon bear such a close resemblance to the Enderman if they supposedly came from different dimensions?
This is a tale of tragedy. Their ambitions were their righteous downfall and the player is treated as evil by the piglins and enderman
Mojang should make a Minecraft series exposing its lore, and they should hire RetroGamingNow to narrate it
*change my mind, I dare you*
I love this, but there's a few things I feel poke holes into this otherwise sound theory:
Dragon heads. How would the builders and endermen have acquired dragon heads to place onto the end ships before the dragon was summoned? (Edit: I forgot about the part in your endermen video where you mention the dragon continually dies of old age and is reborn from its egg, and so endermen could scavenge the remains while it's dead and temporarily travel to the overworld)
Ancient debris. Smelting them produces netherite scraps, and it's implied these are all that remains of netherite, with it having all been harvested. However, the term debris implies it's ejecta from a single catastrophic event. Perhaps an experiment with netherite produced the plague?
Again, great theory, but I feel these do poke at it a bit
Maybe that catastrophic event was the eruption of the basalt deltas? If the end is space, overworld crust and nether mantle, the fourth dimension they were looking for could be the core, where the virus came from in the eruption and dragon was teleported from. That could also explain why ONLY the basalt deltas have no bastions, whereas all four other nether biomes have them.
I think the term "ancient" is more important. It implies that the debris is really old, but it is confirmed that netherite ore existed, but it was all mined by the piglin, which confirmes the piglin abuse theory. But how did the debris appear? It might be destroyed netherite, but 1. It requires gold to turn into netherite and 2. It's only found inside netherack. That means that it's something natural. The only possible way for both of them to exist I can think of is that the debris is a netherite ore that was somehow separated from the gold inside of it, but I have no idea what could have caused it.
Edit: After reading the comment above this one it might be associated with that basalt delta cataclysm that also unleashed the virus and came from the dragon's dimension.
"Debris" does not inply ejecta. It simply means it was a piece of something that has either broken off or degraded to the point of being split off from the original body.
He covered the dragon head part in a different video
@@rafexrafexowski4754 maybe its just impure netherite that overtime got more and more corroded? just like in real life most of the gold is impure
"join me for a dive benit the waves"
That never gets old for this seres arent I right?
I think crying obsidian from the nether portals is just the power of the portal itself "soaked" up in the obsidian, giving it its purple glow.
All of this is very plausible in my opinion. Not too long ago I came up with the same theory, but yours is much more indepth. I explained to my friends that Minecraft is an apocalyptic time line too. Many of my own thoughts were like yours with the over world. But yours extends to all dimensions. Awesome job.
When the world needed him most he came back
I adore the editing, commentary, and music choice in this series. Really sets the tone and immediately grabs my attention and interests. Great work as always
This was a very interesting theory. I always thought that the builder's use of magic caused it to corrupt them turning into zombies and skeletons, it also kind of explains why undead mobs drop experience.
I think the player’s character is the creation of the ancient builders. Like how can you not die from a 22 meter fall? And so how can you “remember” a craftibg recipie even if you have just only one of the elements of the item? I think they died somehow but before, we’re just left in the world. Or somehow our character can’t die? Anyways I love your stuff man, keep up the great work!:)
We’ve always asked who are these ancient builders and where are they now…
But when did they first start off…?
What is the proper flow of Timeline for Minecraft…?
everyone asks where are the ancient builders... but nobody asks how are the ancient builders )_:
@@HillBilly_Urbex oh ya know 6 feet under
Acievement get: open inventory
@@gaminbros316 not if i got anything to say about it!!!! they are bound to have loot XD
They most likely evolved from something but there is no evolution dynamic in Minecraft so we may never know
Minecraft was already an unnerving "liminal space," but this makes it even creepier. Great Theory
i dont think minecraft is an liminal space tbh
@@Cichyhub I just think It just has a similar vibe (in singleplayer survival mode) as a very empty, isolated world where it seems like there should be people, but the only intelligent creatures are distinctly not human.
Especially caves, abandoned mineshafts, strongholds and nether fortresses can have a very liminal vibe to them because they are all very maze-like.
This is an AMAZING theory. A lot of it makes sense!! I have a personal head cannon that the builders, excited at meeting possible allies in the Piglins, wanted to share the overworks with them and brought a bunch over. After the Piglins emerged into the toxic atmosphere though, they started attacking people, scared and in pain as they deteriorated. The builders pushed them back through the portal as quickly as possible, but the damage was done. Pushing them back into the nether just spread it more, though the disease couldn't thrive there in the heat. This scare escalated into the builders and piglins hating each other, only associating to trade. The builders, (eventually) went extinct from the deadly virus combined with the dangers of the nether. Feel free to add on and present your own head cannons!
This is a very cool theory. I love the choregraphy and the music that comes with it; it's all so well done! I also like how different it is from MatPat's theory.
i want to see a unbiased battle of the theories between game theory and retro gaming now, they're both good and go about things differently and i feel like a comparison should help with ascertaining the lore
Retro is still young and his ideas are fun and interesting, while I get more of a hollow, disingenuous vibe from GT these days. I dunno, probably just me. I think GT is past their prime. They used to have great ideas, but I think FNAF ruined them
@@Punished_Trump that's not the point! both of these theories are very good, i just want to find the lynchpin that proves which one is most accurate!
@@romanpackham8471 no idea why but i read that in Hermione's voice.
@@Punished_Trump yeah I do agree that GT is a bit hollow now, but it would be fun nonetheless, plus it might bring something new to the table that neither noticed the first couple times.
Late comment I know, but Game Theory is ran by a guy who asked why in Halo Spartans can kill with one punch to the back of the head in MP but forgot that Spartans can flip vehicles and PUNCH TANKS TO DEATH. and tried to come up with some other bullcrap way. He's not that smart.
Alright, I’ve watched all the other theories on this channel, I’m ready
Me to😊
Heres a theory:
The endermen actually planned to create the dragon and knew that it would kill the builders but not them.
But...
It didn't kill builders, plague did.
Dragon created mess in end dimension and cut off only way to overworld😐
Not the best theory
But maybe endermens are not very smart
This feels a lot more plausible than matpat’s theory and inspired me to think about what else happened.
Endermen don't teleport using pearls, otherwise they wouldn't randomly teleport at will. The pearls they drop are probably something their bodies generate similar to bones and teeth in our bodies.
Each enderman could have a naturally-occuring pearl that enables them to teleport, just as oysters have a pearl.
@@InventorZahran Exactly, but they don't throw them or run out the way we do like the video suggests.
I always wondered a thing in these theories regarding the End Portal…
Ender pearls has a chance to drop from endermen once they are *killed*
So, nine endermen had to sacrife themselves to return to the End? Or the pearl is more like an object endermen carry with them?
In the enderman video he explains how it works. Basically it's an ender *pearl* key word there. Shulkers are designed very similarly to oysters, as well end cities look like oyster farms. This is where the theory comes in the shulkers have pearls inside them like an oyster, and that the endermen harvest them and use them to teleport.
@@CelesProxy Oh, thanks! Now that's explain a lot. For some reason I skipped that video, or I forgot if I already watched it. I will see it later, thanks!
@@ponteirodorato happy to be of service : )
Yea, I’ve always though of it as the pearls are the device they use
I always felt like the Zombies and the skeletons were supposed to signify two different kingdoms that at one point were at war with each other, and perhaps, that war was the catalyst, or part of one, that caused the zombie outbreak. It would make sense and explain why it's possible to get them to fight eachother when a skeleton shoots a zombie when trying to attack you. The impact jostles the Zombies brain and causes them to remember who their true and ancient foe is.
I'd like to think that the villagers are what became of the last remaining builders. A fitting end to a group of such hubris, to eventually become unable to even move blocks or wield any weapons, their craftsmanship the only remnant of a glorious past.
Literally GT
@@justusP9101 Yeah, pretty much. Mat's new theories aren't as good (and kinda cringy) but I like his old Minecraft ones. I'm no lore expert, and I haven't watched them since their release back in 2019, so maybe it's complete bollocks. Wouldn't be the first time they pulled theories out of their asses, like with the hollow knight one.
@@lurientheenjoyer6711 but but but you see, the knight is the pale king because.... They are both the same colour!
@@justusP9101 but that's just a theory... A SHITTY THEORY
Wow. That was the best deep dive I have ever watched. I loved how it all Stiched all the deep dives together into one big timeline. I also have one theory to add to it. The overworld became so enriched with the zombie virus that anyone would turn into undead if exposed to the overworld, as we see when piglins and hoglibs enter. Some of the piglins are able to survive in the less-undead inhabited nether, though there are still zombie piglins.
oh yeah, that explains the zombification. But how does the player not get zombified? maybe because they were the last builder and managed to find the cure just as the last other one died...
I think it’s because of that, the player is either a descendant of the ancient builders that has grown completely immune to the zombie virus, or it is a strange being that just formed at random and has the same qualities. The zombie bites still hurt and zombies can still kill the player, but the player cannot be infected
Wow! I didn’t know you were also responsible for making the music until now! I should say, they fit the atmosphere. Nice work!
Whoa, he actually makes the music himself? WHAT? This dude deserves a billion subscribers!
Yeah same I just noticed that in the intro and appreciated the video even more
I love how much the editing feels like an older campy horror movie. It sets the mood really well.
Just binged every single Minecraft lore video from your channel! They were excellent and well-researched. The overbearing mystery of the game has always been mystifying, and you seem to have the most thorough and thought-provoking theories on what the deepest MC lore could actually be. Thanks so much for working so tirelessly on these awesome theories.
Finally we got to know why
I expected it this episode to be early in the Minecraft Lore but I can see why it was difficult
This would be complete if in the future they added a new aether dimension made using obsidian and materials you can only find after fighting the Ender Dragon and Wither
Yeah like maybe an obsidian frame like the nether but horizontal, and you threw a chorus fruit into the frame, something along those lines
@@t00nedd00d I’m thinking it’s a very endgame dimension. Like you need multiple nether stars and netherite to make it and you make it in a similar fashion to how you summon the ender dragon which not many people even know how to do.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 it could maybe even incorporate dragon egg(s), and possibly a new ore local to the end, basically its equivalent of netherite. So to build this portal you'd have to establish dominion over all dimensions and defeat both the respective bosses. Maybe you need to build some sort of construct in each dimension that link to one another and open the portal itself somewhere in the overworld or something. Really I'm just spitballing ways to escalate the complexity and difficulty
@@littlechickeyhudak like a block from every dimension. glowstone, end stone, maybe netherite or a new block made with glowstone and end stone that you need netherite bars and nether stars to power
@@has2give isn't there something like a portal in ancieny cities (1.19 snapshot)? Maybe that is going to function as a new portal in 1.20/1.21?
I figured that the zombie virus originated in the overworld. Piglins and Hoglins are not immune, as they get infected as soon as they enter the overworld, implying its airborne. This means that the Villagers and the player are immune to the airborne strain, as we don't get infected immediately. The reason it's not that common in the Nether is because the heat kills the airborne strain. Also, I don't believe that the builders ever discovered a cure, as the weakness potion + enchanted gapple method only works on zombie villagers, not regular zombies.
I do like the idea that Endermen are so betrayed by humans that seeing one sends them into a blind rage. That's a pretty cool concept.
Your music choice, combined with your dramatic talking style and the video footage and editing turns this into a top tier documentary.
I love your videos, I love seeing people theory’s on what happened before we went on the minecraft world!
I feel that the vast amount of gold in the nether has something to do with the transformation of pig into piglins, as gold has healing properties within food, just an idea.
maybe… but to make the healing properties it would need to have food (eg an apple or carrot) in it.
@@createstadler true, but the food enhanced said healing properties, this could technically be different, as this was a sort of evolution. Though you are right about that. It is hard to tell.
its probably just mutation from strange environment since pigs arent native in nether
after binging this playlist i sorta agree with this but i think theres more to it. i think the enderman built the fortresses, maybe so they could go back to the end, but the plague affected them too and made them become into wither skeleton. after the enderman and the builders abandoned the fortresses the piglins tried to get some of that netherwart so they can make potions of fire resistance (which they trade to palyers), and hunted alot of wither skeletons in the process. one day they decided to present the skulls they have gathered on a soulsand pedestool, and a disaster struck. the wither was summoned and destroyed the bastions, making them broken down as we can see them today.
keep up the good work
I've just started watching your Minecraft videos, and I really love how you put them together and edit them. Keep up the great work.
I've never watched this channel before but I'm already in love. The immersion into the Minecraft world is something I've lost more and more in my almost 10 years of playing. Thank you very much for bringing it back! ❤❤❤
Good for you man :)
"The Builders" remind me a lot of The Forerunners from Halo. Was that one of your influences?
They're both ancient civilizations that were affected by a virus/parasite at the height of their power that ultimately led to their downfall despite their best efforts
Ocean monuments remind me of Forerunner ruins
@@donutlovingwerewolf8837 Same. That and they both have constructs designed to guard them
@@PelinalDidNothingWrong both of which shoot lasers, all that's missing now is for the guardians to shoot at zombies
The connection did not even cross my mind, but now that you mention it I can totally see it
@@RetroGamingNow Ohhh, you can just taste that delicious clout as i eat my chicken sandwich, Jokes aside, Maybe Steve and Alex are the reclaimers aka the humans destined to inherit the Builders legacy like how Humanity are to inherit the Forerunners legacy, Who knows maybe the Ancient Builders constructed a powerful super weapon designed to wiped out the zombies... Or its food, maybe that's what caused the Builders extinction!? Maybe it wasn't the Virus or Opposing factions.. Perhaps, just perhaps the Builders built a weapon designed to wipe out all the creatures susceptible to the Virus just like the forerunners, I apologize if i sound crazier than you but the Builders and Forerunners are SO SIMILIAR! AAAGGGHH!!!
It would be cool to add the warden somewhere to this lore theory. I’ve really enjoyed these theories, and think they make quite a bit of sense, given what we know. Maybe the big structure in the middle of the ancient city was a failed portal, the redstone under it were experiments, and the warden was a golem-like thing kinda like the guardians. Or maybe the skulk and warden was like mold and it overtook the city, forcing the inhabitants to abandon it and move on.
Really love this narrative! Though I wish Steve arriving wasn't portrayed so "Game-y", since I thought there would be a way to tie them into the lore aswell. It kinda pulls you out when it was soo good, if you get me - but that's relatively minor tbh, the whole thing was great!
Also, for some reason, that newcomer is immune to the zombie plague, since they do not turn upon death by a zombie in-game.
I like to think the players body isnt exactly physical, more spiritual in nature
I think the player is artificial in nature, possibly made by the illagers. The player can respawn and is immune to the plague. Where else do we see items capable of cheating death? The totems of undying. The illagers also have rooms with the matching wool for steve.
@@AdaTheWatcher well Zombies have steves skin so it could just be that the ancient builders looked like Steve
Nah guys, the player’s just up to date with their vaccines.
@@AdaTheWatcher One fault, Illagers attack you on sight. Why would they attempt to kill a creation that isn't the iron golem or villager? also, heard of hardcore? illagers wouldn't attack their own creation before experimenting, and you don't spawn in some sort of summoning room either!
Good theory but there's a huge flaw: If the Nether contains the plague, then why does it not affect us the player as we play?
Another flaw: where did the hundreds of dragon heads come from?!!?
@@mondocsa Well, then that theory doesn't really fit with this. Here there's just one dragon and it doesn't die until the player comes
What if there was small colony of builders that gained resistance? (Still got eaten lolz) but 1 builder survived
@@artturisairinen3255 it does work I just have to watch the other ones to understand this one. He literally stated that before this video
It's an easy one: the player differs from ancient builders in some way
Wow! This was really good! You made this sound plausible. Hope to see a vid about how the player themselves came to be when they first spawned in the world.
You're an amazing storyteller and I am absolutely in love with the scoring in the backgroudn. It's really helped set the mood and feel the urgency in the story
Maybe the Enderman made an agreement that if a builder looks you in the eye, they are hostile. That may be way they attack us when we do
Finally, this is what we've all been waiting for since the beginning of deep dive
I had chills throughout the video, your narration deserves an oscar!
if you had chills in this one, check out the old root one, that one is just scary… or the herobrine one, it has some jumpscares
Jeez, that’s so sad. I wondered if the Endermen would find out about the way the Builders treated Piglins and not be very happy about it. But luckily Endermen are neutral nowadays and it’s even like they’re friends sometimes. It’s nice having them around, otherwise it’s kinda lonely. I love when they pick flowers so I make gardens in case they come by.
That was actually great. Seeing this culmination to the series of lore videos he's made is super satisfying. He definitely put some very compelling arguments in his other videos that make it all make sense.
Theory: what if the ship wrecks were previous boats which faught the wither but got sank by the wither's power and was also used for transportation for the builders and villagers during the zombie apocalypse (haven't finished the video)
Ok last one: the nether fortress was a brewing ground of the ancient builders and also a hide out from the piglins they expiremented on piglins which created the zombie versions and found a cure for the villagers there?
Wait one of my theory got deleted lol: What if the builders fled from the overworld to the nether to hide from the wither and other stuff but then the pigs they got for a food source became piglins a aggressive form and took over the nether (maybe that's the reason they are neutral to us until we hit them said zombie version of the piglins)
Idk why I like writing these: what if the builders made silverfishes to guard the portal from pillagers and illagers maybe that's why the illagers are trying to make their own to get revenge from the builders
(The reason silver fishes attack us maybe because it forgot the face of the builders or it was given instructions not to let anyone else in)
One more: what if we were infected our and parents were scientists which tested on us. as we got un infected the zombie plague soon came and took over all of them leaving us by ourselves
That makes sense!
I don’t have Tim to read dis
Silverfish theory is no cuz they are still hostile to iron golem but I think the silverfish hijacked the spawner i think the original mob that supposed to be spawn (for lore not the game Wise) was the warden cuz of the similarities of sculk and wardens design being similar to the end portal frame.the warden in the deepdark was the warden that fled from the stronghold due to silverfish infestation and their hostile behavior cuz silverfish comes in swarms and makes noise which can make the warden confuse of its hearing being the only line of sight and when something is too loud they are left disabled and confused which direction the silverfish gonna attack from
@@blitzkriegc1112 Good theory but like maybe the silverfishes might have been instructed not to let anyone in, yet I like ur theory more!
@@z4v2 i don't think it is cuz silver is an animal not a machine and can naturally spawn in deep underground on certain biome and if the silver fish was instructed then it can't attack other hostile mob and the builder was trying to escape from overworld cuz of zombies,skeleton and etc but silver doesn't attack them
My theory is that the ancient builders also forced villagers to make food and other resocurces for them and broke down their senss of creativity to domesticate them but the illagers broke off from the villagers as they stole the ancient builders knowledge and made their own society
What do you guys think?
man these videos are so well connected. I am convinced that this could very well be minecrafts lore. Well done man you‘re awesome! keep going.
Your skill in storytelling is amazing! I'd love to hear you tell paraphrased stories of the history of Warcraft lore. You'd be one of few to do it justice, especially since your soundtracks sound so fitting for a Warcraft 2 playthrough.
The Zombie virus seems to have some hyper evolving gene, zombies can evolve into Husks, Drowned, and Zombie piglins are fireproof,
Even Skeletons can hyper evolve, into Strays and Wither Skeletons
Also Skeletons are different from players which is why Music disks drop when they shoot creepers
@@animo-_-animations2506 nothing is wrong, your are meant to create your own lore in Minecraft
I always imagined that the Endermen are the "Ancient Builders" corrupted by the Ends low gravity, no sun and the End dragon later on, while the zombies and skeletons are just the dead being reanimated
I've seen the "zombie plague" theory before, and it completely overlooks the existence of SKELETONS. They suffer from sunlight in the same way, showing that they are of a common nature. But skeletons are clearly smarter, knowing to run to shade and can use vastly more complicated weaponry (bows). Its not like skeletons are just warn down zombies, because that wouldn't explain them being smarter and having bows.
@@rosscalhoun3389 Maybe there are two variants of the zombie virus? Both affect flesh and mind, but the horse virus affects mostly flesh (leaving only bone), while the pig/avian virus affects mostly mind (destroying all but the most basic instincts, except in piglins which have some resistance). Skeleton horses exist but not zombie horses, and there are no skeletal equivalents of zombified piglins, zoglins and whatever birds the phantoms were. Skeleton horses don't even attack the player, and they can still be ridden, so clearly they have some memory of their former masters. Zoglins will attack everything except creepers, and phantoms don't remember to seek shade either.
I know this doesn't explain why the infected horses, hoglins and piglins don't burn. Maybe the horses and hoglins are protected by being bigger, so more volume to be burned compared to combustible surface area. Meanwhile, hoglins and piglins could be physiologically different due to being in the heat for so long, further enhanced by the virus's hellish origins.
Same
But why are they so tall
Omg you definitely have some sort of background in music. Its so good and matches the video super well i cant believe you make it !
I would love to see this continued into the normal game of minecraft just to see this extended because this is such a fun watch! Great job man!
Your theory seems mostly good except for one thing. I doubt only one ender dragon spawned from the last portal. Instead dozens. The evidence for this is the enderdragon heads found on the various floating ships in the end
There could be multiple end islands as well. I mean you can fly to the end city if you go far enough away from the island. You’re words are something to think about for sure. Another thing is: why do the ender men still attack the player after killing the dragon? That’s pretty strange “if” this is said to be true
There's a theory where the dragon is somewhat of a fenix. He dies and is reborn naturally until we destroy the crystals, which stops the cycle.
@@snek2973 yea, RGN covered this in his vid about endermen. The dragon dies of old age and out of the egg a new one spawns, and in the short time where the ender dragon is dead some endermen can travel with explains how the endermen can still survive in the other dimensions
@@createstadler I know, I watched it.
I think its more likely that, after the Dragon first appears, the Endermen and remaining Ancient Builders created fake dragon heads to scare it away.
Yeah, this was a rly good video. When I watched it it seemed different to your other's though. There was more of a narrative and it was really interesting seeing how you fit all the pieces together. Although it shows I'm not the greatest theory creator, this is how I like to make my theories. See how all the evidence we have can click together and make it into a story. Great job again Retro, your videos are always high quality!
This video is absolutely amazing! Better than most movies I've seen. Keep up the great work and thank you for making this series
I like to think the player is a ressurected ancient builder sent to fix their races mistakes and every time they die in game the infection slowly holds on more and more so in hardcore mode when you die and have to spectate it's your soul leaving the reanimated zombie corpse