I have always thought it was hilarious how Mike trashes training to failure but every time he does one of these workouts where he trains someone they do tons of training to failure.
I think it's more accurate to say that he takes a scientific approach to the question, which is to say that there's more evidence that the stimulus-to-fatigue ratio of training to failure is not worth the tradeoff when doing something like 1-3 RIR produces almost the same results without the fatigue / recovery drawbacks. He acknowledges that some people like training to failure because "it's fun" or they get some psychological benefit from it because they feel like they gave it their all or whatever. It's a nuanced issue but the science is the science.
most of the people he train to failure have scheduled it such that its their last week of the meso cycle before they take a 1 week deload, which is the only correct time to train to failure
@@BULD0SIS Yes and his mesocycles are 4 weeks + 1week deload. So every 1 of 5 weeks he trains to failure. Also crazy dropsets until body weight are definetly more entertaining to watch than "normal" training
I watch Mike's channel as well, and yes, he does have an awful lot of videos with different folks being pushed to absolute failure 😂. And generally there's no reference in the video as to the person's mezocycle timing.
Greg, you said they were cherry picking information about natural test boosters while also cherry picking that Jeff said he uses ashwaganda to boost test. He didnt even say he was using it to boost test. The clip you showed they basically agreed it was negligible.
The part of the clip shown did not show Jeff saying he takes it. But, he did say he takes it either elsewhere in that same video or another one of his. You'd have to look on his channel.
Coach Greg is complaining Derek has said that he does not believe test boosters truly work but there's a demand so he will sell them. Greg on the other hand knows that they won't work and is still lying to his audience to sell them there are two different tactics for selling a product and one is honest one is not.
@@thestrongdadprotocol Huh? That's not how business works at all. Most businesses actually believe in their product, otherwise they would put their money into something else.
@@davorzdralo8000 I don't need you to tell me what business is about. I'm literally repeating what Derek himself said 🤣 Not only Derek but the white dude, (not being racist just remember his name), running Tiger Fitness also said this in his discussion about selling Kali Muscle's supps. Alot of honest creators speak about selling supps they don't use. You're emotional because I'm critical of your favorite influencer, so you're trying to dismantle an argument that isn't even mine 🤣
Coach Greg you may not read this but when I stumbled upon your channel in 2020 I instantly latched onto your information but never applied it myself even though it just made sense to me. Well in 2023 I lost over 115 pounds and went from 5’9 302 pounds to 185. I kinda forget to watch your videos now cuz I get so busy with work but just wanted to tell you I’m eternally grateful for your advice and it is changing lives. Thank you sir 🙌
I’m using the RP App and the program moves from RIR 3 to RIR 0 overtime. Mike wants you to push progressively but the last week of the program he wants you to push all the way to failure. So, I guess Mike means you shouldn’t ALWAYS go to failure. In my experience, pushing all the way to failure every single workout isn’t ideal for recovery and fatigue. His method did worked for me so far.
Is it a 4 week program? I found that if I extended it to 6-8 weeks and reduced the RIR every 2 weeks instead of 1, I got better results. Curious what you found worked better for you?
Well if you do tons of high volume and high frequency stuff then of course high intensity will not be ideal. Fluctuate the frequency and volume and then you could accomodate high intensity. Personal preference
When I was in my 20s I got a hold of a Weider Body Building book and read up on all the tactics the bodybuilders were using, i.e. drop sets, forced reps. In fact, I would take forced reps 2 past failure with a spotter. In hind sight, I think that information was intended for stubborn muscles found on extremely enhanced and over-trained body builders, many of whom only trained that body part once per week. It was extremely fatiguing and mentally draining to say the least. Today, I use a different approach. I try and get at least one rep more than the last time and so far it's a good marker for growth and progress, and less difficult to recover from. I've always struggled with periodization, but I believe the best approach is volume in the beginning, then as you progress, back down volume and increase intensity. Just my opinion.
He says so in his videos. During mesocycle you're supposed to push progressively closer to failure, getting to failure every time in the last week before the deload.
Its funny how everyone destroyed V-Shred for selling TestBoosters and said he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about (and they were right) but now every fitness influencer and their mother are selling the exact same product that doesnt work.
Honestly the science based community have that mightier than thou attitude, the studies won’t ever catch up to anecdote as it’s not a field that’s well funded or studied so why sit around and wait for a study to prove common knowledge
I like Jeff and Coach Greg. They both provide high quality advice and some of the best content anywhere. Both of these gentlemen have changed my lifting approach in a positive way.
@@rickysmith6041Jeff is right pal. Greg is a roidheed who can’t help but scream like a girl every time he thinks someone is a roidheed to make himself feel better about it 👍
I used to like Jeff but he just feels disingenuous to me. I feel like he says things that sound “sciency” but really doesn’t have any business talking about it. He changes his opinions and only comes up when it’s about trash talking.
@@brennan_mclachlanIf somebody changes their opinion, it's a good indicator that they're an intelligent person. Especially if their opinion changes due to new information or science. I mean, you really should listen to somebody like that.
Greg: I live in Jeff's head rent free. Also Greg: Makes a video about Jeff without being mentioned at all and cuts a clip of Jeff out of context to try to gaslight his audience to agree with him. After seeing videos like this I'm remember why I unsubscribed a long time ago
Even Sean Nalewanyj says most people just don't train hard enough. Jeff also posted about a study where participants were asked to keep going until failure, rather than a set number of reps and most people were able to rep out more than 5 reps after "failure"
@@chris8543 Btw I m the first to admit I havent been going to failure... Accidentally stumbled on Sean and heard the expression....I havent watched any fitness guy before that What changed after I starting going to failure and working harder than last time? One thing in huge way. Hunger. Insane hunger. That told me how much I didnt work muscles enough before failure.. body didnt demand so much food/energy to replenish itself.
I definitely like cheat reps and partial reps. I do my sets with good form and heavy weight but when I’m approaching failure I tend to start doing partials etc because i can squeeze out a few more reps.
Mike has been losing credibility lately. First he claimed that Greg claimed to be a doctor which is the complete polar opposite. This shows Mike is a liar since anyone who watches Greg's videos know Greg has never claimed this. Additionally, Greg's famous quote is "I'm not a doctor" said countless times and on a T-shirt. Now he claims training to failure is overrated, yet he does it all the time. Then he double-downs on claiming it's overrated after new studies show it works. Mike is starting to become another clown
Thanks to Coach Greg's mentality about harder than last time, help me loose weigh, made me stronger in training and in life, harder than last time defo helps, and ofcause you can debate Greg's screaming, but he has ALWAYS kept it clean, true and honest! Thanks to Greg, i love my life, my looks, and I push my self harder than last time all the way.. True Coaching = Coach Greg.
@@Sebberbabz just trying to help, it's becoming too common place and I see hundreds of instances where people are using "loose" instead of "lose". I will not stand idly by as we fall into Idiocracy
@@SnoopyReads My g, go to the gym, go outside.. Seems like thats the right thing to do for you :) Taking time out of your day to correct one word? What a boring life
4:43 to an extent yes. However, Mike as you do also say beginners should not train as hard as pro body builders/advanced lifters. Mike and jeff are both advanced lifters.
Not a Doctor Dr. Greg, I love your content and transparency. Along with your advice and also the advise of others, I have significantly improved over the last 6 years. Thank You!! Unless you are playing devil's advocate, I really don't think you really believe that the guys were saying the "overrated" items are useless and should not be done. What I got from their video was that these items are esteemed to be much more important than they are, especially around their alternatives, not that they themselves don't do them. I think the guys intention was for us to prioritize the right things.
Mike contradicts himself to much, his those type of guys that are never wrong. I like his videos and is a funny guy but I dont know something about that guy is off.
I don't see the emotion he is just going over what is said and countering and he says in some parts he agrees with what they said. Think you are the emotional one get the soy out of your diet.
Hilariously, the very first one they did, Nippard did a video with a study like a week ago that said the end of set, lengthened limb partials do a ton for gains. I like Nippard's channel generally, but he is the dictionary definition of bro science.
you and MPMD are the ones who influenced the most ppl into the gym, and what 2 people to have. both kind hearted, respectful and factual! so many sheep or fence sitters nowadays sniffin on that good copium to lie to themselves
I take cold showers because I've had back surgery.And it helps my back immensely.I take the cold showers in the morning away from when i'm working out so I don't see how it's a disadvantage
@@garrettahern3813it’s absolutely terrible for you. Greg doesn’t know nutrition very well. He eats nitrate sandwich meat and tons of seed oils. He only cares about calories
This the era of fitness influencers hating on each other for views lol, and it’s gonna be hilarious, cuz fitness people are at the root very very insecure, few are truly tough and secure
As a natty I was super sceptical about test boosters and regardless of his clear intelligence Huberman's 400 increase is ridiculous. I however run a cycle of Ashwaganda, Tongkat and Fadogia for 3 months had my T levels taken before and after (not free test just test) and found my levels as a 47 year old Natty went from 330 to 476. This is not evidence as T levels can vary from day to day and even time of day. So for the next year ran all 3 individually with the same thing. After Ashwaganda levels back down to around 340, Fadogia the same and nothing happened, however for the Tongkat I actually went from around 350 to over 500. It's anecdotal but also got noticeably stronger and just felt better. For me Tongkat seems to work and most studies are looking very positive. Fadogia did nothing as far as I can tell but Ashwaganda whilst seemingly doing nothing for my test, definitely helped my overall mood and sleep. These natural compounds like any compound have different results in each person (even creatine works way better for some than others) but I am a very anal person as my post attests and Tongkat seems to do more than is anecdotal or placebo.
I want this contradiction to be answered Mr. Greg Godfrey. If it is okay because of calories in calories out to eat whatever while dieting. Then why did you say that on a bulk is not okay to eat candy? If on a bulk I'm bulking by an extra 500 calories and I want to take that end through candy bars. Why is that not as idea as if I take it in through chicken breast. calories in calories out right? Why foes it not matter on a cut but it does on a bulk? Makes zero sense
Hey guys, I'm really having issues trying to love and believe in myself. Is there any advice you can give me? No matter how silly and common-sense you think it is, when someone's desperate, even the smallest and silliest of the talks can make a big difference. Just saying because i watch this guy talk and i wish i had that much energy and confidence and selfrespect
When you have a bad that js bare in mind that other ppl has a way bitter day than you. Probably 1 of their love one dies or someone getting fired etc. And they would if given the chance to switch their current state with you if they could.
In this case, Jeff is more intelligent than Greg. Also, you'd never get that impression from watching Jeff's videos so you're just making that up to defend Greg who is widely seen as a joke.
@@za-ir5ni I have watched videos from both youtubers, and I disagree with you, Jeff Nippard does come across with a minor superiority complex. At least to me. It might just be a by-product of being in the fitness education space for so long. This is just my opinion and general vibe I get from watching him, too lazy to back up any of this, just thought i would add my 2¢.
@mikeunleashed1 You would have to think that everyone who a scientist is like that then. Maybe it's an inferiority complex towards smarter people for you?
Disappointed with some of the mischaracterizations of Jeff Nippard and Dr. Mike's arguments in this video. (1) at 5:11 Coach Greg says that Dr. Mike and Jeff Nippard both agree that bulking doesn't work and main-gaining is the way to go. That's not what they say in the video. In the video they specifically are talking about dirty bulking - eating way above maintenance with junk food. Clean bulking is what they both support, not maingaining. (2) At ~5:00 you basically say that Dr. Mike is a hypocrite because he says failure training is overrated and yet he trains to failure. If you watch Dr. Mike's videos, you'd see that he does advocate training to failure - but just only in the last week of a meso-cycle. The name of his company has the word periodization in it. His whole training methodology focuses on starting a meso-cycle with 3 RIR and then gradually working your way up to failure before a deload. His argument isn't that failure training is never a good idea, it's that you shouldn't train to failure every set or every session, which is what many people advocate.
Hey Coach Greg, I was looking at an article and it said that aspartame has been linked to possible neurophysiological symptoms, Moro swings, insomnia, depression etc. I saw this on the National Institute of Health’s website. I just wanted to know your thoughts on this as I know you’ve researched this more than I have.
Side effects from sugar subs are usually at obscene quantities that exceed 100+g doses per day so unless you're chugging a gallon of diet coke it's unlikely to have any real issues. If you have phenylketonuria aspartame could be a problem but it's not a common issue to have
Funny that argument about Natty or not, because I was explaining that to my 12 y.o. son this week, and Greg mirrored exactly my arguments. These big guys like Nippard and others don't understand the impact they have on young people, or they don't really care.
Considering Jay Cutler and other absolute god tier bodybuilders literally never go to failure, I'd say it's unequivocally NOT required and therefore unlikely to be underrated...
Never heard from him and I heard about coach greg instantly when starting to workout to me it seems ur more successful I wouldn’t be hating if id be him coach Greg is an awesome person
@@shonwamcfeckerty7363 I mean Greg is very open about his supplements if u actually watch his videos. He says basically don't buy my supplements if Ur young and just getting into the gym
i agree with greg here, if you arent going until failure and even cheat repping you are wasting some time and results, go watch jay cutler, ronnie, and arnold train
How can these two guys call themselves “science based” when they don’t even read the papers on tongkat Ali and fadogia agrestis. They are just know it alls that use science as a shield
I've always hated Mike's content. Not sure if it's his terrible personality or his overconfidence in things he shouldn't be so confident about. It's funny to hear he has a PHD. Only academia could create such a creature.
"Terrible personality" You're saying this on Greg's video. Peak irony. Also Mike actually puts out credible videos. Also nice anti-intellectualism there.
I have to say, for natty lifters who are over 40, train to failure every time does not give optimal outcome. I can’t get proper recovery even I sleep 8 hours a day😂
There's clearly a lot of jealousy involved. Instead of figuring out how they can create more engaging content they'd rather try discrediting you. I'll never forget the turkesterone controversy. MPMD sold it, not a peep. Coach Greg starts selling it, you're immediately called a snake oil salesman. Keep doing you brother. Big inspiration for me and many others.
Here's the issue with testerone boosters: no one's arguing that some supplements can't boost your testerone, the problem is that they boost your testerone about 25-50 ng/dl which isn't going to take anyone beyond the normal reference range, and boosting your testerone within the normal reference range doesn't do anything, it especially isn't going to have an effect on training outcomes. Given that, it's scummy to promote such garbage. That said, outside of Greg's supplement store, I generally like his philosophy on training.
not at all true, but "test boosters" aren't that effective on their own. Also get your other nutrients in line. Personally I went from 240 T to 700 T with sleep regimen adjustment, and supplementation of nutrients. If your vitamin D, mag, zinc is low, you aint gonna gain more test. Ashwagandha* doesn't noticeably improve test.
Greg if you burn every tree that swings in the wind you will end up burning the entire forest down! Let people critize you it won't hurt your rep! Not everything deserves a reply.
6:12 Jeff uses Ashwaganda for sleep not as a test booster. He said that multiple times in multiple videos. You get tons for views from these types of videos, so I get it. I even enjoy watching them from time to time.
Seems to me that Mike and Jeff need to get their subscribers up and see you as an easy way to get there. They know your going to respond, they are saying things to trigger you into getting them more views. Bottom line is, your a pro and have been for a few decades. They have no real credentials aside from Mike having a degree but so what? Education and experience do not compare because experience is the superior teacher. I know many college grads that are very stupid and many blue collar guys that are much more intelligent.
Clean eating bulking can be beneficial. You benefit Vitamins and essentials your body needs to fuels and improve itself by eating 5000 calories of vegetables (carbs), proteins and oils vs straight dirty bulk /empty caloric foods.
I like Mike and Jeff but I think the inconsistency they have is obvious, I don’t agree with everything Greg says eg. Test boosters but I still think Greg has some legitimate critics
Funny video, and my last one. I wish you the best of all luck Greg, I learned a lot from you. However I feel like there is nothing more to learn from you, that could not be learned elsewhere in a less upsetting way. You perfectly managed to missunderstand almost every single sentence from mike and Jeff, putting words into their mounth, they never said. Most obviously at the part about training to failure. I did not like all things mike(and others) said about you on various occasions, (you know them beter than me) I'l give you that one. However I do not like the drame, and while you always claim not to like drama youself (just like Jonny of course NEEEVER likes drama....) my observation is the following: You provoke the drama wherever you can so you can later call out others for starting the dram and claim that you are just the victim of it. Of course you like it because its positive for you even if they talk negative about you... yes I see that. Well, I don't like it, and you make your self (deliberately or unconsciously) the center of a lot of drame. Therefore, the best of all luck Greg, I am out.
I think it is a based on a lack of research of Dr Mike's actual view point on failure by Dr Greg. Mike's perspective is that you should only train to failure on the last accumulation week of your meso, and progress to that from 3RIR. It is how the hypertrophy app programs each meso, you only go to failure on the last week and the rest are just approximations to failure
@@EarhirX ah so it’s a way to cap off a training cycle (meso), because it looks like he certainly is training everyone not only to muscular failure but CNS failure as they peel themselves out of the machine, so it seems counterintuitive
@@_baller not everyone, he’s also got some videos where he trains people on deloads and they barely train. One with Omar Isuf (sorry if name’s not correct) comes to mind. Also his view on exercising for hypertrophy is that progressive overload cannot occur if you start training at the limit of your ability. Your body cannot adapt fast enough to overcome that limit and your ability to recover is smaller as you get close to that limit. So you should train to failure to keep progressively overloading, but it is not necessary to reach failure, as long as you can still progressively overload. The last thing is that, yeah he likes torturing people in his videos, but it is the appeal of those videos. They take professional athletes and then show that even they reach a point where they start shaking and resting more. But just like Dr Greg says he doesn’t like drama and keeps making drama and we keep clicking on it
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so the complain is they used a Derek video instead of coach Greg video? it looks like Jeff is the one living rent free in your head.
His ego has defo progressivly overloaded... Along with his hypocrisy
Jeff has Greg, Greg has Sam and the cycle of rent free mental space occupation continues.
😂😂😂😂 Sam has chocolate milk
@@sillfool511Its a Merry Bench Around.
@@sillfool511 andrew* eubank
@@BoshSoldierCarpGreg has Sam drinking chocolate milk
Jeff hardly has Greg living rent-free in his head. Come on.
I have always thought it was hilarious how Mike trashes training to failure but every time he does one of these workouts where he trains someone they do tons of training to failure.
I think it's more accurate to say that he takes a scientific approach to the question, which is to say that there's more evidence that the stimulus-to-fatigue ratio of training to failure is not worth the tradeoff when doing something like 1-3 RIR produces almost the same results without the fatigue / recovery drawbacks. He acknowledges that some people like training to failure because "it's fun" or they get some psychological benefit from it because they feel like they gave it their all or whatever. It's a nuanced issue but the science is the science.
most of the people he train to failure have scheduled it such that its their last week of the meso cycle before they take a 1 week deload, which is the only correct time to train to failure
@@BULD0SIS Yes and his mesocycles are 4 weeks + 1week deload. So every 1 of 5 weeks he trains to failure.
Also crazy dropsets until body weight are definetly more entertaining to watch than "normal" training
@@impatientimp3292deload is opposite of training to failure?
I watch Mike's channel as well, and yes, he does have an awful lot of videos with different folks being pushed to absolute failure 😂. And generally there's no reference in the video as to the person's mezocycle timing.
Greg, you said they were cherry picking information about natural test boosters while also cherry picking that Jeff said he uses ashwaganda to boost test. He didnt even say he was using it to boost test. The clip you showed they basically agreed it was negligible.
Couldn’t agree more pal. Get greg the m*dget roidy telt 👍
The part of the clip shown did not show Jeff saying he takes it. But, he did say he takes it either elsewhere in that same video or another one of his. You'd have to look on his channel.
@danielsimard6506 yea it said he takes it but not specifically for testosterone supplementation
Greg clipped that portion so quick, its actually hilarious.
@@Tmoney7994 neat cop out
Coach Greg is complaining
Derek has said that he does not believe test boosters truly work but there's a demand so he will sell them.
Greg on the other hand knows that they won't work and is still lying to his audience to sell them there are two different tactics for selling a product and one is honest one is not.
@@devilselbow Don't have rose colored glasses. They all sell products they don't believe in. That's the business. To think otherwise would be foolish.
@@thestrongdadprotocol Huh? That's not how business works at all. Most businesses actually believe in their product, otherwise they would put their money into something else.
@@davorzdralo8000 I don't need you to tell me what business is about. I'm literally repeating what Derek himself said 🤣
Not only Derek but the white dude, (not being racist just remember his name), running Tiger Fitness also said this in his discussion about selling Kali Muscle's supps.
Alot of honest creators speak about selling supps they don't use.
You're emotional because I'm critical of your favorite influencer, so you're trying to dismantle an argument that isn't even mine 🤣
@@thestrongdadprotocol Never forgetting the turkesterone scam lol.
They should just be honest on what works. Creatine. SARMS, HGH and steroids.
Coach Greg you may not read this but when I stumbled upon your channel in 2020 I instantly latched onto your information but never applied it myself even though it just made sense to me. Well in 2023 I lost over 115 pounds and went from 5’9 302 pounds to 185. I kinda forget to watch your videos now cuz I get so busy with work but just wanted to tell you I’m eternally grateful for your advice and it is changing lives. Thank you sir 🙌
He’s no gonna read pal. Sorry. N am 5’8 went from 135 to 158 pounds, sparring session?
@@shonwamcfeckerty7363 why are you so miserable
He ll eat ya alive pal, 158lbs is still peanuts. Try fighting ladies
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@@shonwamcfeckerty7363your small
I wish I could weigh 302. You don't know how lucky you are to put on muscle so easily, regardless of fat.
Jeff needs to just buy the friggin cookbook already 😂
it's 249 way to overpriced for me
@@James-iw4fzit’s 249 dollars?!!! 😂 dk how people hate on Jeff when Greg puts a book at they prices would jeff do that?
I just checked online. It's 199 now apparently, which is still about $160 too high.
@@dayligs His test booster BS is a scam. Just cause Andrew Huberman says its true doesn't mean it is. He could be lying his butt off for all we know.
Your a turtle brain for buying this liar book
Training hard is not the same as training to failure.
😂 give it a few years and you’ll be saying the opposite
Every now and then i come back to this channel and Greg seems to be getting more and more unlikable
Sad, but true
I’m using the RP App and the program moves from RIR 3 to RIR 0 overtime. Mike wants you to push progressively but the last week of the program he wants you to push all the way to failure.
So, I guess Mike means you shouldn’t ALWAYS go to failure. In my experience, pushing all the way to failure every single workout isn’t ideal for recovery and fatigue.
His method did worked for me so far.
Is it a 4 week program? I found that if I extended it to 6-8 weeks and reduced the RIR every 2 weeks instead of 1, I got better results. Curious what you found worked better for you?
Well if you do tons of high volume and high frequency stuff then of course high intensity will not be ideal. Fluctuate the frequency and volume and then you could accomodate high intensity. Personal preference
When I was in my 20s I got a hold of a Weider Body Building book and read up on all the tactics the bodybuilders were using, i.e. drop sets, forced reps. In fact, I would take forced reps 2 past failure with a spotter. In hind sight, I think that information was intended for stubborn muscles found on extremely enhanced and over-trained body builders, many of whom only trained that body part once per week. It was extremely fatiguing and mentally draining to say the least.
Today, I use a different approach. I try and get at least one rep more than the last time and so far it's a good marker for growth and progress, and less difficult to recover from. I've always struggled with periodization, but I believe the best approach is volume in the beginning, then as you progress, back down volume and increase intensity. Just my opinion.
He says so in his videos. During mesocycle you're supposed to push progressively closer to failure, getting to failure every time in the last week before the deload.
@@CarlosRomeroFilosofia Then he should not say that it's "over-rated."
Bruh, Jeff didn't even mention you
Its funny how everyone destroyed V-Shred for selling TestBoosters and said he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about (and they were right) but now every fitness influencer and their mother are selling the exact same product that doesnt work.
FIRST, now respect my authority
A bit confused cause I never Jeff or make mention Greg’s name even once?? What am I missing?
Greg is a narcissist
Everyone on steroids and competing in pageants must be a narcissist. Switch your lights on mate.
Definitely. I didn't even realize there was beef before Zack Telander's video got recommended in my feed.
Honestly the science based community have that mightier than thou attitude, the studies won’t ever catch up to anecdote as it’s not a field that’s well funded or studied so why sit around and wait for a study to prove common knowledge
I like Jeff and Coach Greg. They both provide high quality advice and some of the best content anywhere. Both of these gentlemen have changed my lifting approach in a positive way.
Well Jeff doesn't like Greg, do you think he's wrong? so you disagree with Jeff? Do you mind saying it outright so the whole class can hear?
@@rickysmith6041Jeff is right pal. Greg is a roidheed who can’t help but scream like a girl every time he thinks someone is a roidheed to make himself feel better about it 👍
@@rickysmith6041 huh😂
I used to like Jeff but he just feels disingenuous to me. I feel like he says things that sound “sciency” but really doesn’t have any business talking about it. He changes his opinions and only comes up when it’s about trash talking.
@@brennan_mclachlanIf somebody changes their opinion, it's a good indicator that they're an intelligent person. Especially if their opinion changes due to new information or science. I mean, you really should listen to somebody like that.
Honestly. People aren't ready to hear this, but greg simply isn't likeable. Hes the toxic side of the net.
True. Attention seeker boomer.
I don’t think you’re ready to hear this but I think he’s the voice of reason. Nowadays not being agreeable is considered “toxic 💅”
You’re a cuckold
I have watched five seconds of this video. You make videos on him all the time. I’m not shocked that he mentions you one time bro.
Greg: I live in Jeff's head rent free.
Also Greg: Makes a video about Jeff without being mentioned at all and cuts a clip of Jeff out of context to try to gaslight his audience to agree with him.
After seeing videos like this I'm remember why I unsubscribed a long time ago
These Greg videos are starting to come off as “why didn’t u include me! 😢” why would they include ur natty or not if they get less views ??
Even Sean Nalewanyj says most people just don't train hard enough.
Jeff also posted about a study where participants were asked to keep going until failure, rather than a set number of reps and most people were able to rep out more than 5 reps after "failure"
Sean says no such thing as test booster...only very small totally insignificant increase.
@@vladeputinovic6128thats not the point, he is talking about training to failure. Most people train to soft thats what greg and sean said and i agree
@@chris8543 Dude obviously I m talking different point lol.
@@chris8543 Btw I m the first to admit I havent been going to failure...
Accidentally stumbled on Sean and heard the expression....I havent watched any fitness guy before that
What changed after I starting going to failure and working harder than last time?
One thing in huge way. Hunger. Insane hunger. That told me how much I didnt work muscles enough before failure.. body didnt demand so much food/energy to replenish itself.
This is exactly why James Nipples is a part of fitness matrix and Leon Edwards is the most aesthetic human being in the multiverse
Nipples 😭
Lately I think you need a bit more support from us. Glad to be on the right end 🎉
Ah, the daily fitness drama, as expected of peak entertainer.
I definitely like cheat reps and partial reps. I do my sets with good form and heavy weight but when I’m approaching failure I tend to start doing partials etc because i can squeeze out a few more reps.
Mike has been losing credibility lately. First he claimed that Greg claimed to be a doctor which is the complete polar opposite. This shows Mike is a liar since anyone who watches Greg's videos know Greg has never claimed this. Additionally, Greg's famous quote is "I'm not a doctor" said countless times and on a T-shirt. Now he claims training to failure is overrated, yet he does it all the time. Then he double-downs on claiming it's overrated after new studies show it works. Mike is starting to become another clown
Translation: Greg & Jeff teamed to engineer a fake feud so they could both get views on their channels.
Thanks to Coach Greg's mentality about harder than last time, help me loose weigh, made me stronger in training and in life, harder than last time defo helps, and ofcause you can debate Greg's screaming, but he has ALWAYS kept it clean, true and honest! Thanks to Greg, i love my life, my looks, and I push my self harder than last time all the way.. True Coaching = Coach Greg.
"Lose" not "loose" stop the cap 🧢
@@SnoopyReads rly? Thats what you tale out of it, a spelling mistake from a none first english speaker? What a life - Keep doing you
@@Sebberbabz just trying to help, it's becoming too common place and I see hundreds of instances where people are using "loose" instead of "lose". I will not stand idly by as we fall into Idiocracy
@@SnoopyReads My g, go to the gym, go outside.. Seems like thats the right thing to do for you :)
Taking time out of your day to correct one word? What a boring life
@@Sebberbabz I bike 20 miles a day, I was also an English major in college. I have plenty of time left over to correct you.
It's sad how coach Greg thinks Andrew Huberman has a clue
4:43 to an extent yes. However, Mike as you do also say beginners should not train as hard as pro body builders/advanced lifters. Mike and jeff are both advanced lifters.
Not a Doctor Dr. Greg, I love your content and transparency. Along with your advice and also the advise of others, I have significantly improved over the last 6 years. Thank You!! Unless you are playing devil's advocate, I really don't think you really believe that the guys were saying the "overrated" items are useless and should not be done. What I got from their video was that these items are esteemed to be much more important than they are, especially around their alternatives, not that they themselves don't do them. I think the guys intention was for us to prioritize the right things.
Mike contradicts himself to much, his those type of guys that are never wrong. I like his videos and is a funny guy but I dont know something about that guy is off.
He’s a jew. He’s a midwit psued jew
And Sam lives in yours lol rent free feet kicked up with a beer
1:51 Dr. Mike is no one’s yes man.
As always, coach Gregg is responding from emotion rather than paying attention to what's actually being said.
I don't see the emotion he is just going over what is said and countering and he says in some parts he agrees with what they said. Think you are the emotional one get the soy out of your diet.
@@philipbryan2685 the first one to insult is usually the one that's upset so, ditto. Lol
@@lokilucario Sure buddy whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@philipbryan2685 😂
he's 80 IQ using roids since he was a teen. That's what happens.
Natty/not natty is one of your biggest contributions to the young folks Greg
Been saying this for years. Jeff is part of the fake natty team. He just went off a long time ago. 😂
Odd they think failure is over rated but suggest partials on last set after you can't get a full rep. 🤨
Hilariously, the very first one they did, Nippard did a video with a study like a week ago that said the end of set, lengthened limb partials do a ton for gains.
I like Nippard's channel generally, but he is the dictionary definition of bro science.
you and MPMD are the ones who influenced the most ppl into the gym, and what 2 people to have. both kind hearted, respectful and factual! so many sheep or fence sitters nowadays sniffin on that good copium to lie to themselves
I take cold showers because I've had back surgery.And it helps my back immensely.I take the cold showers in the morning away from when i'm working out so I don't see how it's a disadvantage
Learned in Elementary school about FITT “ principles of fitness” frequency, intensity, time and type… guess the Dr. missed those days.. lmao😂
I learned Pluto was a planet in elementary school
Coach inherited land in Jeffs noggin 😂
Coach greg's got the best titles i swear😂😂
Greg is on point as always!
Idk about the diet pop, the studies show a link between diet pop and diabetes/ heart disease.
@@garrettahern3813it’s absolutely terrible for you. Greg doesn’t know nutrition very well. He eats nitrate sandwich meat and tons of seed oils. He only cares about calories
@@briankelly7978 yea true, it’s more of like a bodybuilder perspective rather than a doctors view.
being real nowadays is bein looked down upon, coach greg just being real and not being biased people are really hating him for this
I've been waiting for this reaction video ever since I saw Jeff's episode- I thought he was being very unfair to Greg tbh.
Much respect to you coach you helped me change my life. But IMO it’s the other way around. Jeff is just doing his thang.
Tbis looks like the fitness industry are going Hollywood with whatever everyone wants not 2 hear not what they need 2 hear im with greg factos
Greg is addicted to the drama. Dude actually complained about Jeff showing the Liver King in his video and not him.
This the era of fitness influencers hating on each other for views lol, and it’s gonna be hilarious, cuz fitness people are at the root very very insecure, few are truly tough and secure
As a natty I was super sceptical about test boosters and regardless of his clear intelligence Huberman's 400 increase is ridiculous. I however run a cycle of Ashwaganda, Tongkat and Fadogia for 3 months had my T levels taken before and after (not free test just test) and found my levels as a 47 year old Natty went from 330 to 476. This is not evidence as T levels can vary from day to day and even time of day. So for the next year ran all 3 individually with the same thing. After Ashwaganda levels back down to around 340, Fadogia the same and nothing happened, however for the Tongkat I actually went from around 350 to over 500. It's anecdotal but also got noticeably stronger and just felt better. For me Tongkat seems to work and most studies are looking very positive. Fadogia did nothing as far as I can tell but Ashwaganda whilst seemingly doing nothing for my test, definitely helped my overall mood and sleep. These natural compounds like any compound have different results in each person (even creatine works way better for some than others) but I am a very anal person as my post attests and Tongkat seems to do more than is anecdotal or placebo.
Does anyone wonder how Doucette would be on coke? If he isn't already. Man, it would be a sight to see.
Man, there is just something off about Dr. Mike, at least Jeff and Greg are authentic and non narcissistic despite their differences
Give the guy a chance, I used to think the same until I started watching more of his videos. A lot of it is just a persona for entertainment purposes
He is. Bro has a PhD in what like sport science and thinks he's an intellectual☠I mean calm the fuck down, you're not a real scientist.
Yea, not everyone will be compatible with his target audience, also pushes his $$$ app and drama quite hard recently, so I gave it a break.
Greg is non-narcissistic 😂😂😂
Coach Greg in the trunk of a car had me laughing.
Click bait. .. you're living in their head because they didn't mention you? I think you just want recognition
People say Greg isn’t honest must have forgotten that Jeff hates Greg because when Jeff’s girlfriend called herself a pig Greg agreed
People follow Jeff and Mike for advice. They come here for gossip.
Does Greg ever make videos of him actually lifting weights and training…? lmao
I don’t think you watched the video. They were saying over rated or under rated not criticizing coach Greg lol
I always enjoy that I can go to Greg’s channel and find legitimate advice about health and fitness
Keep doing you and harder than last time ❤
Not the first time that Nippard eats his own words…u should see the training programs
I want this contradiction to be answered Mr. Greg Godfrey. If it is okay because of calories in calories out to eat whatever while dieting. Then why did you say that on a bulk is not okay to eat candy? If on a bulk I'm bulking by an extra 500 calories and I want to take that end through candy bars. Why is that not as idea as if I take it in through chicken breast. calories in calories out right? Why foes it not matter on a cut but it does on a bulk? Makes zero sense
Hey guys, I'm really having issues trying to love and believe in myself. Is there any advice you can give me? No matter how silly and common-sense you think it is, when someone's desperate, even the smallest and silliest of the talks can make a big difference. Just saying because i watch this guy talk and i wish i had that much energy and confidence and selfrespect
When you have a bad that js bare in mind that other ppl has a way bitter day than you. Probably 1 of their love one dies or someone getting fired etc. And they would if given the chance to switch their current state with you if they could.
Coach Greg has annoyed everyone possible on UA-cam this year lol
Shrieking about being a victim louder than last time.
I dislike individuals who believe they're more intelligent than others, and Jeff gives me that impression.
In this case, Jeff is more intelligent than Greg. Also, you'd never get that impression from watching Jeff's videos so you're just making that up to defend Greg who is widely seen as a joke.
I don't think so. If he is, why does he have many experts on his videos schooling him.
@@za-ir5ni I have watched videos from both youtubers, and I disagree with you, Jeff Nippard does come across with a minor superiority complex. At least to me. It might just be a by-product of being in the fitness education space for so long. This is just my opinion and general vibe I get from watching him, too lazy to back up any of this, just thought i would add my 2¢.
@mikeunleashed1 You would have to think that everyone who a scientist is like that then. Maybe it's an inferiority complex towards smarter people for you?
@@za-ir5ni 2 million + subs and he’s a joke! 👍
I get tired of UA-cam lip wrestling. Jazzy Jeff and the Manley Gregory Austin should just fist fight already.
The battle of the dwarves, 2024?
Disappointed with some of the mischaracterizations of Jeff Nippard and Dr. Mike's arguments in this video. (1) at 5:11 Coach Greg says that Dr. Mike and Jeff Nippard both agree that bulking doesn't work and main-gaining is the way to go. That's not what they say in the video. In the video they specifically are talking about dirty bulking - eating way above maintenance with junk food. Clean bulking is what they both support, not maingaining. (2) At ~5:00 you basically say that Dr. Mike is a hypocrite because he says failure training is overrated and yet he trains to failure. If you watch Dr. Mike's videos, you'd see that he does advocate training to failure - but just only in the last week of a meso-cycle. The name of his company has the word periodization in it. His whole training methodology focuses on starting a meso-cycle with 3 RIR and then gradually working your way up to failure before a deload. His argument isn't that failure training is never a good idea, it's that you shouldn't train to failure every set or every session, which is what many people advocate.
Hey Coach Greg, I was looking at an article and it said that aspartame has been linked to possible neurophysiological symptoms, Moro swings, insomnia, depression etc. I saw this on the National Institute of Health’s website. I just wanted to know your thoughts on this as I know you’ve researched this more than I have.
Side effects from sugar subs are usually at obscene quantities that exceed 100+g doses per day so unless you're chugging a gallon of diet coke it's unlikely to have any real issues. If you have phenylketonuria aspartame could be a problem but it's not a common issue to have
All youtubers shorter than coach greg are pure evil ..
Funny that argument about Natty or not, because I was explaining that to my 12 y.o. son this week, and Greg mirrored exactly my arguments. These big guys like Nippard and others don't understand the impact they have on young people, or they don't really care.
Considering Jay Cutler and other absolute god tier bodybuilders literally never go to failure, I'd say it's unequivocally NOT required and therefore unlikely to be underrated...
Never heard from him and I heard about coach greg instantly when starting to workout to me it seems ur more successful I wouldn’t be hating if id be him coach Greg is an awesome person
so glad greg calls out all the bs. Its rare to find someone on hear who I believe is genuinely a trust worthy source!
Jeff is much better than Greg pal: he dosent sell scamosterome, have a roid addiction, and an emotional personality 😂
Sarcasm?
@@shonwamcfeckerty7363imagine you are Greggie D and you tell people how awful it is to not be natural while he gets “medication” from his own doctor 🤣
And you think Coach Greg is so much better? His "test boosters" is a scam. Just cause some dude says its real doesn't mean it is.
@@shonwamcfeckerty7363 I mean Greg is very open about his supplements if u actually watch his videos. He says basically don't buy my supplements if Ur young and just getting into the gym
i agree with greg here, if you arent going until failure and even cheat repping you are wasting some time and results, go watch jay cutler, ronnie, and arnold train
Always on Team coach Greg!
How can these two guys call themselves “science based” when they don’t even read the papers on tongkat Ali and fadogia agrestis. They are just know it alls that use science as a shield
I've always hated Mike's content. Not sure if it's his terrible personality or his overconfidence in things he shouldn't be so confident about. It's funny to hear he has a PHD. Only academia could create such a creature.
"Terrible personality" You're saying this on Greg's video. Peak irony. Also Mike actually puts out credible videos. Also nice anti-intellectualism there.
But gregg you take shots at everyone
I just hate nerds who constantly cite studies. Bros are incapable of having an opinion without a study being done
I have to say, for natty lifters who are over 40, train to failure every time does not give optimal outcome. I can’t get proper recovery even I sleep 8 hours a day😂
There's clearly a lot of jealousy involved. Instead of figuring out how they can create more engaging content they'd rather try discrediting you. I'll never forget the turkesterone controversy. MPMD sold it, not a peep. Coach Greg starts selling it, you're immediately called a snake oil salesman. Keep doing you brother. Big inspiration for me and many others.
Where in the video does Greg get called out? I watched the video on Jeff's channel and Greg isn't mentioned at all. Where's the jealousy
Funny how Gregg changed the name of and never ever talks about it since he was called out.
Title should be: Jeff Nippard is living rent free in Greg Doucettes head
Here's the issue with testerone boosters: no one's arguing that some supplements can't boost your testerone, the problem is that they boost your testerone about 25-50 ng/dl which isn't going to take anyone beyond the normal reference range, and boosting your testerone within the normal reference range doesn't do anything, it especially isn't going to have an effect on training outcomes. Given that, it's scummy to promote such garbage. That said, outside of Greg's supplement store, I generally like his philosophy on training.
not at all true, but "test boosters" aren't that effective on their own. Also get your other nutrients in line. Personally I went from 240 T to 700 T with sleep regimen adjustment, and supplementation of nutrients. If your vitamin D, mag, zinc is low, you aint gonna gain more test. Ashwagandha* doesn't noticeably improve test.
Sulek isn’t really “cheating” he’s just hardly moving lol, convulsing reps
Greg if you burn every tree that swings in the wind you will end up burning the entire forest down! Let people critize you it won't hurt your rep! Not everything deserves a reply.
Cold plunges are DUMB
6:12 Jeff uses Ashwaganda for sleep not as a test booster. He said that multiple times in multiple videos. You get tons for views from these types of videos, so I get it. I even enjoy watching them from time to time.
2:27....greg lookin fresh out there boiii
There’s no real workout without cheat reps, you just empty your tank fully…
Seems to me that Mike and Jeff need to get their subscribers up and see you as an easy way to get there. They know your going to respond, they are saying things to trigger you into getting them more views. Bottom line is, your a pro and have been for a few decades. They have no real credentials aside from Mike having a degree but so what? Education and experience do not compare because experience is the superior teacher. I know many college grads that are very stupid and many blue collar guys that are much more intelligent.
Clean eating bulking can be beneficial. You benefit Vitamins and essentials your body needs to fuels and improve itself by eating 5000 calories of vegetables (carbs), proteins and oils vs straight dirty bulk /empty caloric foods.
I see like 80% drama 20% advice on this channel, thats why i always skip your videos. Gossip wont make u stronger.
They didn't agree with everything.....did you not watch the video 😂😂😂
Characteristics of a Narcissistic individual ☠️☠️☠️
I like Mike and Jeff but I think the inconsistency they have is obvious, I don’t agree with everything Greg says eg. Test boosters but I still think Greg has some legitimate critics
Sir chill out nobody in this world other than you saw that video and thought they would be targeting coach Greg sir
Funny video, and my last one.
I wish you the best of all luck Greg, I learned a lot from you.
However I feel like there is nothing more to learn from you, that could not be learned elsewhere in a less upsetting way.
You perfectly managed to missunderstand almost every single sentence from mike and Jeff, putting words into their mounth, they never said.
Most obviously at the part about training to failure.
I did not like all things mike(and others) said about you on various occasions, (you know them beter than me) I'l give you that one.
However I do not like the drame, and while you always claim not to like drama youself (just like Jonny of course NEEEVER likes drama....)
my observation is the following:
You provoke the drama wherever you can so you can later call out others for starting the dram and claim that you are just the victim of it.
Of course you like it because its positive for you even if they talk negative about you... yes I see that.
Well, I don't like it, and you make your self (deliberately or unconsciously) the center of a lot of drame.
Therefore, the best of all luck Greg,
I am out.
I don’t get Dr Mike saying not training to failure when he does myoreps or whatever the hell that is lol, those are basically rest pauses to failure
I think it is a based on a lack of research of Dr Mike's actual view point on failure by Dr Greg. Mike's perspective is that you should only train to failure on the last accumulation week of your meso, and progress to that from 3RIR. It is how the hypertrophy app programs each meso, you only go to failure on the last week and the rest are just approximations to failure
@@EarhirX ah so it’s a way to cap off a training cycle (meso), because it looks like he certainly is training everyone not only to muscular failure but CNS failure as they peel themselves out of the machine, so it seems counterintuitive
@@_baller not everyone, he’s also got some videos where he trains people on deloads and they barely train. One with Omar Isuf (sorry if name’s not correct) comes to mind.
Also his view on exercising for hypertrophy is that progressive overload cannot occur if you start training at the limit of your ability. Your body cannot adapt fast enough to overcome that limit and your ability to recover is smaller as you get close to that limit. So you should train to failure to keep progressively overloading, but it is not necessary to reach failure, as long as you can still progressively overload.
The last thing is that, yeah he likes torturing people in his videos, but it is the appeal of those videos. They take professional athletes and then show that even they reach a point where they start shaking and resting more. But just like Dr Greg says he doesn’t like drama and keeps making drama and we keep clicking on it
I dont see why Coach Greg thinks Jeff Nippard has something against him