Reducing noise in amplitube and other amp modelling without noise gate
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2024
- Amplitube Noise Problem solved without using a noisegate
The internet is full of questions and posts in forums asking for help with reducing noise when using Amp sims and modellers like Amplitube3, BIAS, Guitar Rig and Revalver. This article is one solution to help reduce the noise, static noise, hum etc in the sound from your amp sim.
Use well grounded gear
In many cases the advice centres around the gain structure of the setup and using the noise gates. In most cases this does not relieve the problem.
I too had the problem of a very noisy signal. The noise was so bad that it ruined the otherwise workable tone you get from using an amp modeller.
We will focus on Amplitube 3 as this is the amp sim I use predominantly. I can confirm it also works very well for the others as I have tested it on BIAS, Revalver and Guitar Rig as well.
The problem it seems (in most cases) is the not the gain structure but the interface. Most 'budget' USB Audio Interfaces are USB or Firewire. In most cases these are powered by the PC and is not running off its own powersupply and is not earthed (in its own right).
To be clear I am no electrician so my thoughts and assumptions are not derived from years studying electronics!
Put the guitar signal through a DI or a mixer that has a guitar line in, then out the signal into the 'CD/MP3 in' of the amp. This allows the guitar signal to bypass the pre-amp of the amplifier and therefor is unchanged.
I guess well grounded audio interfaces will be quiet as well as grounded mixers straight into the audio interface.
The noises it does not stop is having the audio drivers buffer to fast and getting pops and clicks. Other bad grounded devices in the chain including the guitar. Real groundloop issues in the house of studio, etc.
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When using sims you should always use a DI box before going into the interface. A decent one with ground lift button will clean up the noise a lot. I know it's an old vid but it just showed up in my recommendations
What kind of Di Box any suggestions??
I use reaper Daw and audient evo 4 interface...and i use Bias Fx for my amp sims...i had this problem that annoying buzzing screeching sound everytime i use high gain for metal sound or rock sound
@@Muk4Ever could you solve this problem? I also use reaper and bias fx but the buzzing noise is driving me crazy
@@Pixeliarmus i cant solve it...i uninstalled both reaper and bias fx and i try to learn to record with other DAW..the buzzing sound makes me crazy too...
@@Muk4Ever I was looking for a solution and according to a video it might be a grounding issue with the guitar. When I touch the volume knobs or the entrance of the cable the noise stops. Which is normal. But when I touch the strings or anywhere on the bridge the noise gets even louder. I opened the back of my ibanez rg1570 and saw a loose cable, trying to figure out if it's a grounding cable. Will let you know when I test soldering it and if it solves the issue.
If you want to check the video the channel is: Rising Sun Guitar Mods. It's their Fix Ground Issues video
@@Pixeliarmuseven m facing same issue ..when i press vol knob on guitar noise goes way but just slight noise still remains ... how to solve it ... will using DI box solve it ??👍
I am going to make a followup soon. I have been using a passive DI Box lately with a buffer before it in the chain. It brings the noise down to nearly zero.
Hey man I have the same problem actually i don't have enough money to get a decent amp so i want to use this software as a guitar amp. is there a cheap way to solve this issue ? is there anything like a DIY way ?
Hey guys. This solution is an ad-hoc fix and works mainly if it is a grounding issue due to the audio interface not being plugged into mains. I never did a follow-up specifically for noise but I did do one for the different ways of using and amp sim and getting a good clean signal, so in the same vein.
If you have a lot of noise in your signal even when you use an active di box with ground lift then there is obviously an inherent problem in your chain.
Guitar not shielded
Cable not shielded
Guitar wiring not well grounded
Ground loops in house
Etc etc
I would suggest purchasing a di box as they are cheap, the behringer active di works perfectly and is only around 20bucks.
Please see this video
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@@fernavarro5665 It sounds like your problem is the cable. I would suggest:
1. Get a good interface, the Behringer u-phoria range is amazing and very cheap.
2. Get a Behringer Ultra DI
3. Get a XLR mic cable
You will be surprised thedifference it makes. I don't know where you are but I am expecting you won't pay more than $80 for all that and your problems will probably be over.
Amplitube is worth the investment.
Remember you can get great free vst's Like Poulin and free IR loaders. These really sound amazing if the signal chain is correct.
Hi there is a way I found from a youtube search if you are an amplitube user and have noise problems try using amplitube with the noise gate from the free version of native instruments guitar rig which is better at getting rid of hum instead of amplitube's noise gate
goldfender Yes, using software or other stacked vst's, amp sims etc to reduce the noise is an option. This video was specifically aimed at trying to solve the source of the noise in the first place because in my experience, unless the source of the noise is dealt with, it can still be heard within the guitar tone when played, both clean and distorted. You will also notice the gate will interfere with playing dynamics like trying to get feedback etc.
Hey guys. I have a solution..may not be hundred percent but..almost 90 percent. The noise comes when you open your asio audio to record isnot it? similar problem i also had and i thought all this is the problem of sound driver, usb cable and laptop and amp and may be of many connected stuffs! Yes it is the problem from your laptop configuration. Simply right click your mouse in the audio setup in the right below corner and select audio devices and click microphone option. you will find several options on top select the level option and going inside this option you will find a microphone boost option and just click off it or slide it to zero and the problem is solved.. I also got this from some one in one of these kinds of comments.. Thanks enjoy your recordings.
Your a fuckin genius dude, it works like a charm, saved my life dude
You saved my life too!
fully understood... im gonna try that to the cd input plug to bypass... even if i used guitar rig 2 still not satisfied with the effects... im using my pedals and use my software as a recorder
I have updated videos on this topic. Please find them in this playlist:
Amplitube and IR Series - Getting the best from your AmpSim: ua-cam.com/play/PLKFXsqnU-2AXj6pTpd2HQ0aeB6eJDcFh1.html
I used a hofner shorty bass through an iRig hd2 to my 2014 iMac and it was fine. Perfect. I bought a 2021 Mac mini and got a buzzing sound - which got better if I touched the bass bridge and louder if I cupped the iRig in my hand. I took the bass to our guitar store and they tested it on an amp - no buzz. I changed cords, same buzz, I bought a new iRig hd2 - same buzzing. I used the thunderbolt port rather than the USB port on the Mac mini - no difference. Then I plugged it all back into the imac - same buzz! I unplugged the Mac mini to remove it from the equation - same buzz. I bought a power conditioner and plugged everything into that - same buzz! I’m completely stumped.
That must be annoying, have you tried a DI box in between guitar and interface?
These videos are for windows but same goes for mac, please have a look at them and maybe there is an answer for you in there:
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@@KrachWerke believe it or not it turned out to be an LG monitor I had recently bought. I thought of it today as it is the only thing I’d not replaced or tested (it was a nice 4K 32” one). I touched the plug with my headphones on and heard the noise change, so I returned the monitor and got a new one - now there’s no noise!!!
@@Webeecho Result! Must be a relief
Good idea. I think that I will experiment with this. Some good discussion comments below as well. I have the same problem and am pretty sure it is ground related, now that you mention it.
+itsmyguitar You were spot on with the grounding concept. When I play through my POD HD500 as the audio interface, powered from a separate power outlet I have NO NOISE problem. Thanks so much for the tip. I have provided this information to IK Multimedia. I was using an Apogee 96K interface before. Will have to sell that now.
I'm having similar issues as you described. I'm using my old M-audio delta 44 pci card. I believe it's the interfaces noise floor. I ordered a CHEAP DI box and will see if that helps any. Also if you turn the gain knob up, it will probably help, being that I think it's just the noise floor. I tried this, I unplugged my guitar completely and turned on the amp sim (guitar rig5). Put it on an overdrive or distortion preset and the noise was there with no guitar connected. It's not the guitar signal it's the interfaces noise floor. I'm hoping the DI box will allow me to boost the signal coming into the soundcard/interface to possibly quiet the sound. My guess is that this will be there even with a 2,000 interface. IDK. I think most people just use noise gates to try to cancel it out. I don't think there is a cheap way to totally eliminate this. :(
I get horrendous noise. Steinberg UR22. No noise from mic, no noise from clean DI guitar, but as soon as I turn on virtual distortion, hum, buzz, high pitched chirps but nothing like yours. Doing my head in. I've unplugged all I can get away with, Wi-Fi etc but still there. The eq shows activity around 50Hz but with spikes up higher too......
Please check out the follow up here:
ua-cam.com/video/JnpXf1bAXOk/v-deo.html
Also the latest vid on my channel.
@@KrachWerke check out my latest upload
@@volvot5turbo It is difficult to see what the problem is via your video.
If the clean sound is ok it can still have noise in it so when the distortion is engaged it will amplify that.
From your video it seems your input gain is very low on the plugin?
Put a DI inbetween the guitar and the interface. I am sure that will solve most of the problems.
Other than that start checking everything from the start of your signal chain and eliminate problems, including your DAW routing and which drivers are being used.
A factor not considered in this video (and a rather surprising one imo)
Is EMF interference picked up by the guitar pickups coming directly from the computers power supply.
Contributing factors include PCs with tempered glass cases and glass windows to the internals of the PC. They offer no insulation to the EMF generated by the power supply whatsoever and surround the PC in a significant EMF field which is readily picked up by the pickups in the guitar, especially single coil pickups.
It creates a kind of catch 22 where the only way to eliminate the noise is to turn off the PC, but then you can't use the PC for effects and sequencing/arrangement.
Ways around this include using long cables to stand further away from the PC when recording/performing.. as well as locating the PC far away from your workstation using longer monitor/video/HDMI cables etc and also shielding your PC with a metal case that is grounded and not having any tempered glass panels.
I just wanted to reply to this old comment after spending a day digging up my old laptop and installing amplitube on it to test static noise. My laptop in a dark room with no other electronics on give the same db level buzz on my interface as sitting next to my tempered glass gaming pc with wifi internet in a well lit room. Hopefully save some other people some time if they read this.
I only use headset with microphone from Ez Voice because I love singing.
1 year of nothing but frustration.....amp works great at friends house, noisy as shit when I start to add gain to it at my house. Electrician checked house ground, even turned off EVERY leg in my house except the outlet my amp is plugged into. NO fluorescent lights or appliances on that circuit, new 60$ instrument cables, both amps (solid state AND tube)taken to pro shop, and play fine....absolutely ready to lose my mind.....I dont live next to a power station, navy base, and I dont think my neighbor has a nuclear particle accelerator in his basement...W T F!!!!!????
OK?! And when you play the amp at your friends house, do you use the same guitar as you do when home? Could this be a grounding issue on your guitar? What about your pedals? Do you use the same pedals there? Do you have a good power supply for it etc etc etc?
Ugh, I only have a single USB device connecting my guitar to the computer- no pedals or anything. So moving around plugs and jacks isn't an option for me...
is thr any other way ? i dont have zoom pedal and amp ... i have interface and a laptop and headphones ... plugged thru usb ... how to eliminate that noise ?? 👍
A cheap DI box will do wonders
Hello and thank you for this video. I was wondering if you (or anyone else reading this) could help - I'm getting an annoying hiss/buzz combo (more on the hiss side) from pretty much every amp sim I tried (tried the built in one from Ableton Live, BIAS FX and then the free version of Amplitube) when using a high gain amp. I currently use a Zoom H5 as my audio interface. I tried different cables, different guitars and I'm not running my signal in too hot (I've got the gain knob at 3 out of 10). Also tried increasing the buffer size sample and that didn't work (probably works more for crackles/glitches). I also tried using an active DI box and it made no difference. Would you say this is an issue with the self noise of the Zoom H5 (because of it being only usb powered)/ not quality enough pre-amps, or something to do with the software? If it's the former it might be the unit itself because other soundcards also running off of USB power don't seem to have this problem. Running Windows 10 on a (powerful) desktop PC. Thanks!
I'm having similar issues as you described. I'm using my old M-audio delta 44 pci card. I believe it's the interfaces noise floor. I ordered a CHEAP DI box and will see if that helps any. Also if you turn the gain knob up, it will probably help, being that I think it's just the noise floor. I tried this, I unplugged my guitar completely and turned on the amp sim (guitar rig5). Put it on an overdrive or distortion preset and the noise was there with no guitar connected. It's not the guitar signal it's the interfaces noise floor. I'm hoping the DI box will allow me to boost the signal coming into the soundcard/interface to possibly quiet the sound. My guess is that this will be there even with a 2,000 interface. IDK. I think most people just use noise gates to try to cancel it out. I don't think there is a cheap way to totally eliminate this. :(
Dude that interface is a no go... It is the issue! Go with RME you will be glad you did!
That is true but many have these budget interfaces. that was kinda my motivation to make the vid.
Krach Werke
Yeah I hear you... Dig this, I went on ebay and bought a used $175 RME Multiface w/HDSP PCI Card and used a $150 Desktop PC w/Intel i5 64bit - RACKED.
Rock solid and Robust for Touring no issues it just freaking works.. Check it out
is there any way to do this without the use of an amp? would something like a behringer xenyx 802 work with a similar signal path?
Yup, a DI or anything that is well earthed and has a input jack
Is there a way to completely remove the noise, since i've noticed there still is a little bit of it even after you ran the signal through grounded device?
TheStavrin I managed to get rid of the noise completely by using different plug points. In the video the noise is not as low as I managed to get it afterwards. In the vid all the gear is plugged into the same plug point so I guess some ground looping is still happening. An extension from a different outlet solved that problem for me.
There are also some hum and ground loop eliminators. Both for power outlets and some that go between audio connections. These range from around £20 (behringer hum eliminator) to some that cost in the hundreds. If there are real groundloop problems in the house these will always have some influence and can only be solved by electrical work or by implementing these hum eliminators.
House electricals can be problematic so first try to find a way to power from different outlets (ie, on different circuits from the main distribution box)...
Also make sure your guitar is properly wired :-)
Krach Werke Thanks a lot mate, appreciate the reply :)
Do you remember what all you moved to a different power outlet?
@@KrachWerke you gotta make a new video showing what you did. I ordered a cheap Behringer DI400p, it hasn't come in yet but I'm desperately hoping that it helps.
@@SandpitRecords you ask and shall receive
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A big part of the noise problem could be eliminated by replacing those molded plastic cables. They are notoriously noisy and highly microphonic.
OH man you just solved my problem :D Big thanks
Odlly, mine doesnt have any kind of noise when recording the dry signal. i tried using 2 DAWs and both were fine when recorded dry. Perhaps it is modelling these amps too well. I too suspected that it was grounding issues until i found out that it didnt affect my dry signal whatsoever. In fact, when i use the free Solid State Bass Amp, there is no noise. I think its time guitarists need to be more careful with what they wish for.
hi, what is the name of the last song you played? thanks
Hi, just a wee riff I used to play.
So my problem is that I still hear a clean tone under my distortion tone when I strum a little harder. Why and how do I fix it?
Check your cab section of Amplitube and the mic section. You will find a section where you can tweak the mic levels. To the right of it is a DI signal level and a room mic level. Make sure they are set properly. This seems to be a new thing that the levels are all up by default.
There is one other thing to check and that is that your pc or mac is not 'monitoring' the mic imputs in parallel with the daw or vst
I've already tried to lower the DI signal level but it doesn't work, and for the last 4 hours I was trying to find where are the 'monitoring settings' and I have nu idea where to find it (windows 10)
@@zoltankovacs4399 hi, I don't know if you already figured it out, but on my audio interface there's a switch between direct and usb for output. if I switch to direct I hear both the clean sound directly from guitar and the sound from amplitube. but if I switch to usb I only hear the sound coming from amplitube. maybe that is your case too.
I just remove the charger of the laptop and the noise honestly disappear.
Yup that is usually the source, problem is that it isn't a long term solution. I have updated his OLD vid with some new ones which goes over using an interface and amp sims to best effect.
But noise is still here.
hey man, i use irig for my amplitube 1, how to reduce the noise? i cant record it smoothly. i am using elec guitar without any stompboxes at the moment
cheers man
Check your guitar is properly grounded.
What is the riff at 5:00
Lol fucked if I can remember. But I might try to revive it, Forgot about that riff and we are currently writing again. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@KrachWerke sounds super cool, let me know once it is out there
For me the noise is negligible while recording but in live situations the noise is just terrible
Thanks for the tutorial. Do you know how can I make my computer keyboard as a controller which can change presets, bypass, turn specific pedals on/off? It can be both in the DAW or stand alone.
I just bought it and its makes a loud feedback
Please have a look at my last 2 vidd
If you add a drive to a already gained amp it's gonna create noise either way....that's why noise gates are there.....
So this is not about normal noise from driving a signal too hard. This is about noise from ground loops, humms etc. Noise that is also audible in many cases in the distorted sound too. A noisegate does not solve this. A noise gate only makes the signal quiet at a threshold when nothing is happening.
Ah Gotcha!
maybe try turning off the OCD or use the noise gate? it's kinda there for a reason. it's not a grounding issue it's a software feature lol.
No, noise in this signal IS grounding and interference. The noise also exists when sound is going through. That means your tone has the noise in it too. A noise gate goes not 'clean up' sound it only makes quiet pieces quiet. If you want to get rid of interference you have to have a good clean signal to start with. I now have an active DI with ground lift and that soles the problem even better. If your initial sound is clean you don't get noise even with gain on.
Anyone use a power washer?
Dude, get that p.o.s. line 6 amp and burn it, no more noise problems
It'll break my heart LOL
I Get after like 15 minutes al kinds of noise. Reduce the threshold etc
lag? clipping? stutter?
First there is good sound, then some humming which becomes worse. And then it changes to a sound the overrides the normaal tones, somekind of distortion.
Unless there is an example I can only guess it is a interface/computer problem. Maybe running out of resources etc
the noise... lol is the add of the 20 thousand analog wire you have plus low qualify effect.. of your pedal board in a room... where you have conputer and a electric guitar... with no line conditioner.. etc... this is idiotic
Calling it idiotic means you miss the point of the vid. It is aimed at exactly the type of scenario that you describe. The majority of home/bedroom players have this unsanitised environment. The biggest problem is that most audio interfaces have the guitar/instrument jack option but no proper earth. They claim on the box you can plug your guitar in and voila! When the truth is a bit more complicated. Earth loops, dodgy power supplies, bad wiring etc.
This is also why this video does not cover using a DI.
Krach Werke the solution is pretty simple you get a 20feet balanced trs and go record your guitar in the bathroom light outs or a hallway or any place where you dont have display running at 60hz or lights or computer...full album have been recorded like this in the 70s, and they sound amazing, you actually dont need a pro acoustic to do rock at all. But hey its just my nugget here, this is the first option get away from the electromagnetic field. Second is to get a line conditionner, and balanced wired, 3rd would be your fiddling if you ask me, but recprding a electric guitar facing a computer will always produced that.
parallel comp around after 6k, -# on gain, there solved