How to find a doctor job in Australia. Two Key Concepts: DWS & AON.
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In this video the Career Doctor covers two key concepts for International Medical Graduates (IMGs) who want to know how to find a doctor job in Australia.
The District of Workforce Shortage scheme is a Federal Government pathway to obtaining a provider number in a location where there are doctor shortages.
The Area of Need Scheme sounds similar but is actually operated by the State and Territory Government and is a mechanism for deeming certain positions suitable for IMG specialists based on an inability to attract a suitable local graduate.
Doctor Connect (DWS Info)
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Medical Board of Australia - Area of Need Limited Registration Info
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Area of Need for States & Territories:
New South Wales Area of Need
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Queensland Area of Need
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Northern Territory Area of Need
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Western Australia (info)
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Western Australia (listings)
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Tasmania (includes a link to listings)
www.dhhs.tas.g...
Victoria
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South Australia
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You should always seek a range of advice on career matters and neither Anthony Llewellyn nor AdvanceMed will be held responsible for any individual outcomes.
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sir, i wanted to know , how hard is it to get a trainee job in the hospital as your first job ,after passing both the AMC exams, without much experience , for newly graduated IMG's ?
Hello Chirag. This is a good question. Lets assume that you have identified a position which is a Resident Medical Officer type of job (RMO) where the hospital has not been able to find a local graduate. Firstly, having your AMC Certificate is a definite advantage over candidates with only AMC Part 1. This being said. You will probably be still competing against other candidates who also have the AMC Certificate. Paradoxically too much experience in other settings may count against candidates when going for these RMO jobs. The panel may feel that the doctor has a lot of "unlearning" to do as well as new learning. So often candidates who are recently out of medical school, have the AMC Certificate, who can display good English communication skills and come across as sensible and adaptable in inteview make the ideal candidate for these jobs.
thanks a lot , this was very helpful and the videos you make are very informative and to the point .
@@CareerDoctor doctor, I have question for you if I am not annoying, can we as IMGs who only have AMC1 to get a Resident Medical Officer job for our first year in Australia or should we pass through a general internship rotation?
Hi not annoying at all. I’m going to do a video about internships. Because there is much confusion about them. They are not available for IMGs. You should target resident and other similar jobs.
@@CareerDoctor we are waiting your video doctor and we thank you very much in advance, Australia seems to be great country for newly graduate doctors but I feel that there is a problem in finding a place in order to get the general registration... I hope that your next video will carry the solution for this problem.
Hi Anthony first of all thanks for your informative video, secondly would you please let me know what positions we should search as a IMG who wants to start their work in Australia, as you know psychiatrist should have job offer before assessment by RANZCP and this make the situation hard.
I have some other videos on this topic.
Great video Anthony, thank you for taking the time to explain, great Job. Would you say a practice which has an AON has the power to get some one on board, will it be relatively easy for an IMG with just amc- 1 to get a job in a pracrice/ Hospital with AON please?
AONs are generally reserved for specialist IMG posts these days.
@@CareerDoctor Oh I see, thank you for your reply.
your welcome
Hi Anthony, thanks again for this great video. Do hospitals usually sponsor a JMO or an RMO for visa purposes please?
Depends on what you mean by sponsor.
@@CareerDoctor I mean do they nominate you for Permanent residency or give you the paper work for applying for work visa please?
Hey Doctor,
Love your videos
I am planning to apply for provisional registration through the UK competent authority pathway as I have both the exam and experience component.
Can you please clarify the following:
For Non-specialist IMGs seeking training in Australia
1) DWS or AON do these apply while applying for jobs for non specialist too?
2) When does the 10-year moratorium start( After provisional or General registration) and does the training period also counts in?
1. No. Because you are generally training in state run hospitals and don’t need to bill Medicare.
2. From your initial registration whatever that is.
Thank you very much for your videos. What kind of position can I apply for per review as specialist?
I’m not sure I get your question. Have you watched the videos on Specialist pathway?
@@CareerDoctor yes I have watched your videos and they helped me a lot to complete my application form for RACP. My question is in the case the RACP thinks that my background as specialist is comparable to Australian specialty. After being assessed by RACP for comparability I need to work some time "under supervision" (peer review) before to be able to register in AHPRA. What kind of job might I apply as specialist since I'm not registered yet, but RACP thinks I'm comparable? Might I apply for a follow position for example? Thank you very much.
It depends partly on the level of your comparability. Usually somewhere between an Advanced Trainee to Consultant under supervision.
I’d recommend you book a strategy call with me and we can go over it in more detail for you.
Hi if you would like to engage my services then I recommend starting with a Risk Free Strategy Call shop.advancemed.com.au/shop/landing-page-strategy-call/ Thanks very much Anthony
I have a question about specialty training. I have 2 more years left to graduate from medical school and I want to do my residency in Australia. As far as I know, first thing for me to do is to proceed with the standard pathway to get a general licence. I don't know the steps after that point. How will I apply for the specialty training in cardiology after I (hopefully) get the general licence?
Once you have your general registration you will be able to apply for basic training with the RACP www.racp.edu.au/trainees/basic-training/adult-internal-medicine#entry
You need your general registration as well as being accepted into a BT position.
Cardiology is highly competitive in Australia.
Have a nice day Dr Anthony and thank you for your clear and explicit explanation. What do advice to start by searching for a job or to go first for registration in AMG?
I am an IMG doctor.
I would like to ask you about:
the specialist pathway for the IMG.
How can apply?
Is there is an age limit for immigration?
Is it possible to have an advantage regarding my qualifications and experience?
I am 48 years old Egyptian, working in the
field of kidney transplantation since 2002 and I started working as a
nephrologist since 1996/and I have the MRCP 2011, Specialty Certificate of
Nephrology 2012 from the royal college of the physician (London). In addition
to the primary qualification and master’s degree of Internal medicine from
Cairo University as well as another master’s degree in Nephrology from Ain
Shams University. I have the OET grade B in all.
There is a playlist in production for #specialistpathway here ua-cam.com/video/gHqzokHN-vY/v-deo.html
I did not find the Paediatrics speciality mentioned among specialities in Areas of need vacancies. Are Areas of need declarations for specialists limited to the mentioned specialities?
AON is hardly used any more in Australia
Thank you so much for the video. Your videos are realy helping me and i will recomend to friends. I am from an african country and have 3 years postintenship practice. I am intrested in specialising in cardiology if i come to australia. How easy/difficult is it to get a training post in this specialty
Hi Matthew thanks for the positive feedback and thanks for sharing with your friends. Unfortunately Cardiology is one of the specialties that is very popular here in Australia. This is for many reasons but one of them is that because it is procedural you can often make a very good living doing it. If possible I would advise specialising as a general physician as there is more demand for that here.
I get you. Thank you. Which website can i go to to find out more about specialising as a general physician on australia. Is specialist general physician the same as general practitioner?
No general physician is one of many types of physicians covered by the Physician's college including Cardiology. You can check out my post about this advancemed.com.au/blog/specialist-medical-colleges/ There is a link to the RACP (Physician College) website from there.
After achieving general registration in australia, roughly how soon can one get specialist training post?
It depends on which specialty and whether they take someone who has a visa
Where can we find and apply for specialist IMG posts as AON specialist? Do the employer sponsor and supports the Visa,migration process and AHPRA registration?
AON posts are not very well advertised. Generally your agent or employer will help you with the process once you land a job.
Hello Dr Anthony.. great and very helpful vidoes.I am india based radiologist with more than a decade of experience..I want to ask.. Is there any specific protocol to apply for AON jobs..?? Or just have to apply directly?? I applied at few places..but did not get any reply...
Thank you very much.
Most of the AON Jobs you will find listed are old and not actively being recruited to.
Thank you for the reply Doctor...
Are criterion for AON eligibility changed recently..???Can we directly apply for AON position ???or have to work in an accredited training hospital in Australia prior to commencing work as a specialist AON position???
Nothings changed. They just don’t get used much anymore.
Helpful thank you
Thanks a lot 🙏
Hello Dr Anthony,
Thank you for this valuable video..I have a question..am an Indian graduate and completed my specialisation in Radiation oncology..I have 2years of experience post this..I have cleared my AMC mcq test..can I get a job based on my experience in oncology??how easy it will be to secure a job in my scenario..iam planning to go thru standard pathway..
Thank you
Hello Spoorthi I would encourage you to watch the videos about the Standard Pathway process ua-cam.com/video/uSvP1GAo8cAa/v-deo.html and Specialist Pathway process ua-cam.com/video/gHqzokHN-vY/v-deo.html
hi ... can u please make a video on career options after medical schools
in australia other than residency programme ... plz include non clinical
options also
Sure. That’s on my list. I’m a bit busy at present with lots of coaching. When it quiet end down a bit I’ll make a few around how specialty training works here.
@@CareerDoctor in india i work with pharmacovigillence as drug safety physician at parexel international , this firm is also present in australia ...i ll be very thankful if you can provide information on that ) best regards
That would be generally classified as clinical pharmacology here under the Royal Australasian College of Physicians
Hello Sir,
Recently I have come across AON vacancy in Radiation Oncology in Tasmania.. I am an IMG with 3 years experience in Radiation Oncology.. I tried to contact concerned hospital but received no reply..how can I proceed further?? Thank you
I believe those posts are all currently under review. What info did you provide them when you made contact?
Sir, I am a pathologist in China, Can you give any advices about the specialist pathway ?
Yes we are currently doing a series on this ua-cam.com/video/gHqzokHN-vY/v-deo.html
greetings
thank you very much for your info
i want to find out a few things abt oncology
how long is the oncology specialty training and how on demand is it in australia also how easy for IMGs to get an oncology training post in australia
Oncology is an Advanced Training program which you enter after completing your basic Adult Medicine training with the RACP, so its around 5 to 6 years in total. Of the various Medicine specialties its probably a little easier to gain entry into and there is certainly lots of demand particularly in rural and regional Australia.
Career Doctor thank you very much for your reassuring response. l had a little confusion because i had seen on another source that it would take 3 years and i wanted clarity on that.
Thank you very much for your channel and the work you are putting into giving us this info
Advanced training in oncology is 3 years on top of a minimum of 2 years basic training. There’s generally a fair bit of demand for oncologists.
Hello doctor I’m a general physician from Jordan and I graduated from Ukraine so my question is what i need to work as physician in areas of need ?
Like is there’s any terms or any other exams ? If you know i hope you help me out because I’m really serious about it :)
If you are experienced as General Physician you can probably apply to the College of Physicians here for an assessment. General Physicians are one of the category of doctors that are often advertised for Area of Need. What you would need to do would depend on your training, qualifications and experience.
Career Doctor i only have 1 year experience in hospital I don’t know what my chances to be able to work there . Thank so much :)
Where are you considering applying to work in Australia? 🇦🇨
I'm an overseas trained doctor.After working for 1 year(A&E job) in Australia,I will be eligible for General Registration.482 visa requires an experience of 2 years in the respective field.I have an experience in A&E only.So this means that no GP job for me as I do not have experience in this field.Kindly do reply.
Hi Akhthar.
General Registration is one of the criteria for entry into GP training but currently you also need either Permanent Residency or Citizenship.
From your description you are also not eligible for specialist recognition as have not done general practice in another country. You may be better off continuing to work in Emergency Medicine if possible.
There have been special options in the past via rural general practice but recently a number of these schemes have been closed down. It may still be worth contacting the Rural Doctors Network if your plan is for general practice.
Hope this helps.
Anthony
I am just M.B.B.S graduate.what if I want to work as a doctor over there and to continue diploma..pls explain the procedure and how hard is it to be in medical field in there?
+Manu Verma it depends a little on where you are coming from. One of my next videos will explain the standard pathway in a bit more depth. What do you mean by diploma? Do you mean specialty training here? If yes. Then that is eventually possible.
I'm considering anywhere especially rural areas of need. I'm currently in my final year of medical school in the Philippines and I'm interested in applying after graduation. Does having an undergraduate degree from the United States & history of travel to Australia over any advantage? (i.e. IELTS exemption?) I would prefer areas of need in QLD, NSW, TAS. Since I'll be a fresh graduate, what are some options for me? Thanks for your videos. I found them super informative :)
I would ask , could specialist family medicine join Geriatric postgraduate as a subspecialty
Hi Aiman most GPs (family medicine specialists) in Australia see a range of older patients. There are no official subspecialties in General Practice but if you were willing to focus on elderly patients you would do well. For example nursing homes are often looking to employ GPs to help with their patients. If you wanted to retrain and specialise in Geriatrics you would apply to the College of Physicians - advancemed.com.au/RACP 🖥
Hellooo sir
Hi I m Priyanka ..I had recently cleared my amc part 1 .n I have 1.5 yrs of experience in oncology back in India.n I did my diploma ent for two years as well ..is there any possibility I could apply for job ..
Hi Priyanka are you considering the standard pathway?
is their any age limitations
+Dr.Aiman Alkhateeb I’m not sure what you mean. There are some age restrictions on certain visas.
It’s not permitted to discriminate on age for employment in Australia.
@@CareerDoctor thank you very much
they are not offering intership ..indian and other in standard path.. way
+money maker that’s correct, internships are only required for Australian and New Zealand medical school graduates
+money maker that’s correct. Internships are only required for Australian and New Zealand graduates.