This message is so wonderful that words fail to describe their deep down meaning to my soul! THANK YOU LORD FOR YOUR JUSTICE AND MERCY! THANK you David! You are God‘s true Ambassador and Teacher!
God answers prayer - I have waited for a long time and many times almost lost my faith. Listening to David Pawson helped to keep my faith intact until in Gods own time he answered my prayer. God I thank you for not only answering my prayer but also providing a teacher to help me to wait on you.
The only person that never dies Is a special someone that discovered His purpose and done it .exemple Abraham Lincoln, Matter Luther King, Mandela, magandi, also David pawson. To God be glory, Aleluhiah.
@@Jesusismy1stlove ,yeah whatever we are graciously enjoying today, it's or used to be someone's else surcrifice .include the bible itself. Praying you & I are both discovering our purpose on earth before we are recall.
There are two sides to forgiveness - we are commanded to forgive - forgive us this day as we forgive those that trespass against us - to be forgiven one has to repent ....which completes the forgiveness If one has died then its to late and one cannot repent - we must repent before we die, otherwise we face the ultimate wrath of Gods Judgement
I'm confused. If God cannot forgive a single sin until it's been paid for, how is it that God repeatedly forgives sins in the old testament as well as in the new testament, in the person of Jesus, without payment. In Ezekiel 33 for example, God no longer remembers the iniquity of those who turn from their iniquity. Furthermore, if sins had to be paid for, why is there no mention of sin being paid for in regard to the cross? I'ts nearly impossible to hear a sermon with out hearing "Jesus paid your penalty." If this is such a critical idea shouldn't the bible at least hint at it somewhere? The bible in fact never says nor even implies any such thing.
Rich Colburn Hi Rich, Paul speaks of this exact issue in Rom 3:20-30, and in particular how his justice was deferred in all those who sinned until the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross. It’s an interesting one when you think about it. Which is the greater miracle? That Jesus’ death paid the penalty of sin for those who had already sinned and incurred God’s righteous wrath? That’s the more natural order of things. The issue is that God gave forgiveness before his righteous verdict was carried out. Or is the more awesome miracle that the penalty for all the sins yet to be committed in the future by me and the whole world to come can be forgiven and washed clean if we put our trust in him? Perhaps the answer to which is greater is neither. It’s that God who is the judge, who gives his verdict, whose justice is perfect and holy then comes down and says, I will pay the penalty on your behalf so that you may go free. What a God of mercy! What love! Not one of us deserves it but as Paul goes on to say in Rom 5:8, God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That’s the gospel.
2/2 And also because you evidently think about all these things. The whole of the first covenant of God with the Jewish nation was permeated throughout with the principle of atonement in order to find forgiveness with the sacrifice of animals in the Temple. You see this principle all the way through Leviticus and in particular, Lev 17:11. You can read about how this first covenant found its true fulfilment in the atoning death of Christ in Heb 9. Many blessings to you.
Basic rule of bible interpretation. If the bible didn't say that, don't tell me it came from the bible. There is no mention of deferred justice, or Christ paying some kind of penalty anywhere in the bible much less in Romans 3:20-30. I agree with the bible that Jesus died for our sins. As far as what that means, rather than hearing "God punished Jesus instead of you so you could be forgiven" which no place in the bible even remotely suggests, shouldn't we let Paul explain what he means that "Christ died for us?" Read Romans six, seven eight, Galatians five, Ephesians 2:1-5, Titus 2:11-12. The new testament is filled with explanations about the meaning of the cross. The cross reveals the power of God over death and delivers us from that fear which kept us enslaved to the flesh (Heb 2:15). The gospel reveals that to live we must be crucified with Christ as in putting the lust of the flesh to death and being reborn by the spirit of God. If the Gospel was that Christ had to pay our penalty so God could forgive us, why did God forget to put any such idea in the bible? The gospel is powerful because in it the righteousness of God is revealed. That righteousness is in putting the flesh to death and placing hope in the resurrection (Romans 1:16-17). Shouldn't Titus 2:11 - 15 say something about teaching that Jesus paid a penalty if that's really a biblical idea. I shutter to think of how many "Christians" will die in their sins believing they have a free ticket to heaven because they believed in the myth that God punished Jesus instead of them. Why does the bible never refer to Jesus as a substitute, talk about him paying a penalty, or imply in any way that he went through that so we won't have to? Why does is specifically say that Jesus going to the cross is the example we are to follow if that's some kind of punishment he suffered to spare us from going through that? (1 Pet 2:21)
@@the3dadvantage Rom 3 v23-26 looks awfully like it's talking about the sins committed by previous generations; v25 discusses the sins of previous generations and V24 explicitly links it to the shedding of Jesus' blood. It looks like you have an objection to substitutionary atonement? Something of the sort is indicated in Rom 5 esp v18-19, and more clearly in 2 Cor 5, specifically V21. I don't know how you can interpret 2 Cor 5:21 without some sort of notion of vicarious bearing of sin/atonement. Also 1 Pet 2:24. There's also the whole OT sacrificial system which is self-evidently something like substitutionary atonement, coupled with the comparison of Jesus to an OT sacrifice in Hebrews, and complemented by all the references to the Lamb of God.
Sorry David you've lost me when you condemn faithful women, serving God. A step backwards I believe. I am not a feminist but I am a female minister of God.
In this case, David lost me also, and seems to have strayed from his own dyamic paradox (or "Christian Koan" if you will) holding Justice and Mercy together. If, as he contends, women or the "feminine" equals Mercy, and Men, or the "masculine" equals justice, then we clearly need both women and men in leadership, just as much as we need prophets to denounce injustice and evangelists and pastors to announce God's forgiveness, "Good News" and ensuing righteousness. In short, we need to acknowledge Christ's own sacrifice on the Cross, the women who steadfastly stood by Him, AND the woman (say her name: Mary Magdalene) who first bore the Good News of Christ's resurrection to the men who, according to Luke, thought she was "speaking rubbish." This demonstrates the strength and faith, not the supposed weakness of women's witness. For me, life in Christ involves an ongoing, daily act of repentance, both for my personal sins and for the massive sins of the world, including our own uncivil idolatries of greed, guns, power, and prestige: In short, I am called daily by God's Grace to "Turn from evil and do GOOD, seek PEACE, and follow after it" (Psalm 34).
No, you misunderstand. BP wasn't condemning faithful women serving God at all. Have you heard ,eg., what he says about Corrie ten Boom? "Beneath the cross of Jesus", by Elizabeth Clephane. "Where mercy & justice meet". DP is pointing out that women TEND to emphasise the mercy, but not the justice of God.
Best bible teacher of our time's..... From nagaland India...
God has chosen you David through his Grace and Mercy to gently deliver His infallable word.
God Bless you and RIP in His eternal love. 🙏
This message is so wonderful that words fail to describe their deep down meaning to my soul! THANK YOU LORD FOR YOUR JUSTICE AND MERCY! THANK you David! You are God‘s true Ambassador and Teacher!
Thank you God for this teaching.
Thank you mr. david pawson may you rest in peace in Jesus.
God answers prayer - I have waited for a long time and many times almost lost my faith. Listening to David Pawson helped to keep my faith intact until in Gods own time he answered my prayer. God I thank you for not only answering my prayer but also providing a teacher to help me to wait on you.
Faithful
I can't stop listening to his teachings, it has changed my way of believe in the word. Praise God for mr pawson
Amen, amen, amen. What a wonderful teaching of God's character.
this video, message, presentation, & presenter is more than a gift, thank you lord for david
wow this BLEW me away..
God be with the dear Irish Christian brothers and sisters,how you have maintained integrity and faith in a difficult land.
The event was held in Dublin in 2012
Thanks
Glory be to God. May the Lord continue blessing Mr. Pawson so he can bring us the true gospel of Jesus, in Jesus name. Amen.
A wonderful message about God'perfect character.thank you David Pawson.Praise God.
God bless... thank you.... Praise be to God for His Justice and Mercy.
Love from Malaysia. God spoke to me n set me free . Amen 🙏🏻
God bless you
spiritually enriching. I am learning. I thought I knew the Bible. I am learning as a beginner
pro trick: watch series on Flixzone. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies these days.
@Branson Harlem yup, I've been watching on flixzone for since december myself :)
@Branson Harlem Definitely, I have been using Flixzone for since november myself =)
@Branson Harlem Yea, been using Flixzone for since december myself :D
this is proof that the word of god is a sword
感謝主。
Very very much appreciated
Interesting sermon
Thank you sooooo mutch for this videoes. God bless you mutch for it.
The only person that never dies
Is a special someone that discovered
His purpose and done it .exemple Abraham Lincoln, Matter Luther King, Mandela, magandi, also David pawson.
To God be glory, Aleluhiah.
@@Jesusismy1stlove ,yeah whatever we are graciously enjoying today, it's or used to be someone's else surcrifice .include the bible itself. Praying you & I are both discovering our purpose on earth before we are recall.
How then can you forgive someone, if that someone never repents?...(what if the person is dead or in a far or unknown place)
There are two sides to forgiveness
- we are commanded to forgive - forgive us this day as we forgive those that trespass against us
- to be forgiven one has to repent ....which completes the forgiveness
If one has died then its to late and one cannot repent
- we must repent before we die, otherwise we face the ultimate wrath of Gods Judgement
I'm confused. If God cannot forgive a single sin until it's been paid for, how is it that God repeatedly forgives sins in the old testament as well as in the new testament, in the person of Jesus, without payment. In Ezekiel 33 for example, God no longer remembers the iniquity of those who turn from their iniquity. Furthermore, if sins had to be paid for, why is there no mention of sin being paid for in regard to the cross? I'ts nearly impossible to hear a sermon with out hearing "Jesus paid your penalty." If this is such a critical idea shouldn't the bible at least hint at it somewhere? The bible in fact never says nor even implies any such thing.
Rich Colburn Hi Rich, Paul speaks of this exact issue in Rom 3:20-30, and in particular how his justice was deferred in all those who sinned until the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross. It’s an interesting one when you think about it. Which is the greater miracle? That Jesus’ death paid the penalty of sin for those who had already sinned and incurred God’s righteous wrath? That’s the more natural order of things. The issue is that God gave forgiveness before his righteous verdict was carried out. Or is the more awesome miracle that the penalty for all the sins yet to be committed in the future by me and the whole world to come can be forgiven and washed clean if we put our trust in him? Perhaps the answer to which is greater is neither. It’s that God who is the judge, who gives his verdict, whose justice is perfect and holy then comes down and says, I will pay the penalty on your behalf so that you may go free. What a God of mercy! What love! Not one of us deserves it but as Paul goes on to say in Rom 5:8, God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That’s the gospel.
2/2 And also because you evidently think about all these things. The whole of the first covenant of God with the Jewish nation was permeated throughout with the principle of atonement in order to find forgiveness with the sacrifice of animals in the Temple. You see this principle all the way through Leviticus and in particular, Lev 17:11. You can read about how this first covenant found its true fulfilment in the atoning death of Christ in Heb 9. Many blessings to you.
Basic rule of bible interpretation. If the bible didn't say that, don't tell me it came from the bible. There is no mention of deferred justice, or Christ paying some kind of penalty anywhere in the bible much less in Romans 3:20-30. I agree with the bible that Jesus died for our sins. As far as what that means, rather than hearing "God punished Jesus instead of you so you could be forgiven" which no place in the bible even remotely suggests, shouldn't we let Paul explain what he means that "Christ died for us?" Read Romans six, seven eight, Galatians five, Ephesians 2:1-5, Titus 2:11-12. The new testament is filled with explanations about the meaning of the cross. The cross reveals the power of God over death and delivers us from that fear which kept us enslaved to the flesh (Heb 2:15). The gospel reveals that to live we must be crucified with Christ as in putting the lust of the flesh to death and being reborn by the spirit of God. If the Gospel was that Christ had to pay our penalty so God could forgive us, why did God forget to put any such idea in the bible? The gospel is powerful because in it the righteousness of God is revealed. That righteousness is in putting the flesh to death and placing hope in the resurrection (Romans 1:16-17). Shouldn't Titus 2:11 - 15 say something about teaching that Jesus paid a penalty if that's really a biblical idea. I shutter to think of how many "Christians" will die in their sins believing they have a free ticket to heaven because they believed in the myth that God punished Jesus instead of them. Why does the bible never refer to Jesus as a substitute, talk about him paying a penalty, or imply in any way that he went through that so we won't have to? Why does is specifically say that Jesus going to the cross is the example we are to follow if that's some kind of punishment he suffered to spare us from going through that? (1 Pet 2:21)
That is why people made sacrifices on the alters... for the atonement of sins.
@@the3dadvantage Rom 3 v23-26 looks awfully like it's talking about the sins committed by previous generations; v25 discusses the sins of previous generations and V24 explicitly links it to the shedding of Jesus' blood.
It looks like you have an objection to substitutionary atonement? Something of the sort is indicated in Rom 5 esp v18-19, and more clearly in 2 Cor 5, specifically V21. I don't know how you can interpret 2 Cor 5:21 without some sort of notion of vicarious bearing of sin/atonement. Also 1 Pet 2:24.
There's also the whole OT sacrificial system which is self-evidently something like substitutionary atonement, coupled with the comparison of Jesus to an OT sacrifice in Hebrews, and complemented by all the references to the Lamb of God.
Sorry David you've lost me when you condemn faithful women, serving God. A step backwards I believe. I am not a feminist but I am a female minister of God.
Linda Young him losing you can be accepted. The most is us never "losing" Christ
1 Timothy 2:12
In this case, David lost me also, and seems to have strayed from his own dyamic paradox (or "Christian Koan" if you will) holding Justice and Mercy together. If, as he contends, women or the "feminine" equals Mercy, and Men, or the "masculine" equals justice, then we clearly need both women and men in leadership, just as much as we need prophets to denounce injustice and evangelists and pastors to announce God's forgiveness, "Good News" and ensuing righteousness. In short, we need to acknowledge Christ's own sacrifice on the Cross, the women who steadfastly stood by Him, AND the woman (say her name: Mary Magdalene) who first bore the Good News of Christ's resurrection to the men who, according to Luke, thought she was "speaking rubbish." This demonstrates the strength and faith, not the supposed weakness of women's witness. For me, life in Christ involves an ongoing, daily act of repentance, both for my personal sins and for the massive sins of the world, including our own uncivil idolatries of greed, guns, power, and prestige: In short, I am called daily by God's Grace to "Turn from evil and do GOOD, seek PEACE, and follow after it" (Psalm 34).
I guess Linda you don't like the truth ? Bless you
No, you misunderstand. BP wasn't condemning faithful women serving God at all.
Have you heard ,eg., what he says about Corrie ten Boom? "Beneath the cross of Jesus", by Elizabeth Clephane. "Where mercy & justice meet". DP is pointing out that women TEND to emphasise the mercy, but not the justice of God.