Electric Vehicle Owners' Winter Frustration Spurs Call for Gas Car Return
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Electric Vehicle Owners' Winter Frustration Spurs Call for Gas Car Return
Electric Vehicle Owners' Winter Frustration Spurs Call for Gas Car Return
It's no secret that freezing weather and electric vehicles don't get along too well.
While this chilly relationship isn't breaking news, a recent uproar began after a FOX 32 Chicago report highlighted the struggles of various Tesla drivers trying to charge their EVs at a Tesla Supercharger in Oak Brook, Illinois.
As temperatures in this Chicago suburb dropped below zero for the first time in a while, the situation became quite dire.
Owners found themselves in a tough spot, having to tow their Teslas on flatbeds because the chargers weren't working, and their electric vehicles had run out of juice.
The TV station didn't hold back, bluntly stating, "Public charging stations have turned into car graveyards," and referring to depleted EVs as "dead robots." This report triggered a wave of similar stories, with Tesla owners echoing their discontentment with the vehicles. So, what's the problem with EVs?
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Do you think electric cars are the future or will we return to gasoline cars?
Electrics are the past!!!!! They failed 100 years ago, but now the left is trying to shove them up our @$$E$!!!!!!
Electric cars have failed a hundred years ago on the free market and they are failing again. I don't see petrol/diesel cars as the future but they are definitely the better choice than what is currently sold as "green technology". The solution are not government mandates but new innovative technologies from the free market.
maby in future when the teck is far improved on whats on offer at moment
I just saw a video from Toyota ,they have produced an engine that runs on distilled water.That would definitely put the EV to the scrapyard
I think it will be a combination of both
Evs and Hybrids in the cities for city driving
And the petrol.and diesel vehicles for everything else
Time to abandon net zero, electric / battery vehicles, the WEF, UN and WHO and reinstate the manufacture of petrol and diesel vehicles immediately.
Alternative fuels available for ICE engines. Hydrogen Fuel Cell is here. Who knows what else is available. Are EVs a scam to get cars off the road.
Sodium technology isn't that far off buddy and it will be a lot cheaper so I've been told because it's so abundant compared to lithium stay patient shouldn't be long
@@marcusharmon8389 nuclear energy in the 50's and 60's was forecast to be so cheap that switches would be unnecessary as lighting and heating would be left on continuously . Haha!
@@iansenior9759 a scam to stop common people having personal transport in our 15 minute cities!
How about defunding the UN completely, and getting rid of them, the WHO, and taking the power back from the W E F by enforcing the same restrictions on it's members, that small companies and people worldwide are forced to endure and comply with.
Me, while driving my 23 year old gasoline car with the heater, windshield wipers, and headlights on: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Yep. Hahahaaaa
He'll yeah!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaha vrooooom!
Good for You Sunshine🤪
Gotcha 🙂
EVs, going down as the joke of the century! 🤣🤣🤣
Just like Joe
So why don't they have the same problem in Scandanavia where they have lots of EV's?
@@Storm4155Because the US is 2,000% larger than Scandinavia. If you break down there you can basically walk wherever you need to. The US has massively longer commutes to get anywhere.
That is true, if you are interested, the "Electric Viking" has done a video on this, that breaks it down. @@chucks4328
@@Storm4155 they mostly ride bicycles and its small cities
just imagine getting stuck in a whiteout in an EV good luck surviving it
EV owners are too dumb (or arrogant) to carry a winter survival kit.
popsicles anyone?
@@XOTICXPATRIATELOL!
You'd be FAR better in an EV - it's been tried! Your gas would run out before your EV battery did. The EV's motor doesn't have to be going to keep you warm..
@@alexmckenna1171 lol, really, with a full tank my ICE Honda Accord has a range of almost 500 miles. In north Jersey last week over 60 EV's had to be towed off the NJ turnpike in one night due to dead batteries. Insurance rates are projected to significantly outpace ICE cars due to the lack of trained techs and fire hazard. Horror stories abound on repair costs of EV's and waiting for hours just to plug-in at charging stations. There is no upside on an EV unless its a golf cart.
It came out last week that EVs range was and still isover exaggerated. The government knew and turned a blind eye to it.
If
If the government is high on me owning an EV ....do your home work....our politicians are all for sale...this doesn't surprise me
Government is encouraging the lies.
ICE cars also have exaggerated range. My EV has great range, fast and cheap to run.
Because the government are bastads !
I would rather keep with the more matured and superior ICE technology cars than jump onto the EV bandwagon.
I’ll never buy another ice car. Are people afraid to plan a little? If I’m not charging at home, 90% of the time, I plan ahead and have a backup. In all fairness, the charging infrastructure does need some improvement, especially for lvl 3 chargers.
@@JoeMama-ud5ehit’s not about being afraid the technology is still in its infancy stage , the costs of fixing evs is astronomical, we are no where near being mainstream with electric cars I’m not against the technology but it’s clear that we are not ready to go full EV
@@JoeMama-ud5eh there's a right time and place for EV to grow. but now is NOT the time.
we got issues atm with battery and power source to charge those batteries.
not only with reliability but also for safety as if you wore down the lithium-ion battery too much, your range will be greatly reduced and it might not charge properly.
if not we got one SUV size spicy-pillow that techies dont want to even touch.
@@JoeMama-ud5ehEVs work for you, that’s fine. Personally I’m waiting for the next generation of sustainable battery technology (salt/iron?) as large scale lithium mining is itself an unsustainable,expensive, ecological and social disaster in its own right.
@@JoeMama-ud5eh how can you plan for a fire caused by EV in your garage? it comes unexpected. and there is no way to predict or avoid fire risks created by EVs.
-23c? Heck, you guys got it easy. Up here in Canada people are wearing t shirts in -23. We had-46c. Not an EV in sight.
There's a Canadian guy who went on a family trip to Chicago using his EV but he did not get far. In the end he tow his EV away and rent an ICE just to enjoy his trip.
@@VOAN When you say Enjoy, do you actually mean Survive?
What about the Trudeau EV mandate?
This is completely false. I live in Saguenay, here -30 degrees are common and a lot of people drive the Tesla Model 3, the Chevy Bolt and the Hyundai Kona EV and they all work very well
EVs have slightly less range in the cold, but they still have far more range than what most people need them for. Even at -30, the EVs I cited earlier have above 250 kilometers of range, which is more than enough for most people.
I heard that Canada was going 100% EV by 2035? 100%!!! I don't know how Canadians feel about it.
EV owners are always going on about how all they need is 30 minutes to charge, except during very cold weather where it can take up to 30 minutes just to warm the battery before charging. Now you are up to an hour of sitting around, waiting. If you wait in the car, it will take even longer because you will want heat in the car.
the safe charging range is 32℉ (0℃) to 113℉ (45℃)
meaning the problem exists also during hot summers.
Only 30 min???
It takes few minutes for ice and you have to do it 3-4x less often :D
And that's assuming that a functional high-speed charger will be unused and waiting for you when you arrive.
@onwisconsin2362 unfortunately it's only the idiots who are buying ev's lol
@onwisconsin2362the irony of your statement 🥴
The only thing that's renewable about renewables, is that every 10-15 years they will need to be renewed. An utter waste of resources for no gain.
Exactly
Yep, and the cost to replace the batteries is HUGE... approx $50K ...You can buy a very good used I.C.E.for that.
The batteries are 100 percent recyclable unless they catch on fire and burn up. If you are stuck on the highway in a storm and the heat system in you ev goes out because of a dead battery you can light the battery on fire and it will burn warmly heating you and other ev drivers for a while.
Yep. In 50 years of driving, I've never purchased a new vehicle. Generally, they are 10 years old by the time I buy them, sort them out, and drive them another 10 or more years. Is that NOT environmentally responsible? Can you imagine doing that with an EV?
Typical clueless and dumb comment from a person that does not even understand the basics of renewables, electrical power and EVs. There is no problem with EVs, but there is a huge problem with uneducated people that suffer severely from Dunning-Kruger effect.
Focusing on reduced range and charging problems with EV's are good for EV sales because it keeps people's minds off the dozens of other problems that comes with EV ownership.
EV touted to save the planet from global-warming, defeated by freezing weather
Nature has a sense of humour
"Yet not ONE mention of climate engineering."- Dane Wigington.
Global cooling, global warming, climate change.... Back to global warming, eh? Gawd I cant wait for Trump's return!
I own a Tesla. Don’t believe in global warming. Most that own them couldn’t care less about global warming.
😂😂😂
This was the comment I was looking for.
EVs are a joke.
a scam
an insult
Yes
A bad joke.
You'd be FAR better in an EV - it's been tried! Your gas would run out before your EV battery did. The EV's motor doesn't have to be going to keep you warm..
Put your flashlight in a freezer for 12 hours. Now, get it out and turn it on……………🤔
Just did. Mine worked fine. It’s an old wind up that generates unlimited power.
@@samueldavis5895 Can it be adapted to power a full sized vehicle? 🤔🤔👍
@@royrice8021 can your flashlight? Dang I need to get whatever flashlight you have.
@@samueldavis5895 The switch worked fine but there was no light………🤔
How did you know i own a Fleshlight?
too cold dead battery , too hot car on fire for 10 days !
Never buy an EV!
fire that never goes OUT EITHER LOL
From an old engineer, the physics has not changed, therefore what did you expect? Jesus wept....
The Jews murdered Jesus...never forget.
Lol... general public doing physics????
@@DouglasLippi Come on Doug, be part of the winning team here. We can "Tech" our way around all the worlds problems. We don't need no stink'n physics. 😂
No, the physics has not changed, and you obviously still do not understand it. No real problem with EVs in Winter, but lots of clueless people too dumb to understand how to use them.
Please, old engineer, explain to us why Norway has worldwide highest EV adoption rate, 85 out of 100 new cars were EVs in 2023, does that ring some bell that you might be completely wrong ?
The problems charging electric vehicles serves as evidence that lithium ion batteries cannot be charged at below freezing temperatures. So EV owners should have read the fine print before purchasing their vehicles.
I just watched a vid on Scotty Kilmer's channel so I may have this wrong but I think that the battery uses power to keep itself warm. Up to 25% of charge per 24 hrs will be used in the cold (or something like that.) This would mean it would take even longer to charge it!
BATTERY CARS.TRAINS AND SUBWAY RUNS ON ELECTRICITY=Electric City in 1700
@@lauralauren6432 Diesel/Electric Trains. Subways take electricity directly from the grid with no batteries and are the true EV. BEV, battery electric cars are a scam.
EVs are fine in cold weather as long as you follow the instructions. There are lots of baffled Canadian and Norwegian Tesla owners on the Tesla sites who have no problems.
There's also the problem of the battery using power YOU are paying for, to keep IT warm. How that can be "environmentally friendly" is a mystery, and there's enough Journal-published evidence indicating charging at low temperatures promotes dendrite formation, which reduces battery lifespan
You can carry a fuel can to top up a real car. These are just big toys, that the novelty will go away with soon. 😊
Can't wait to own one of these 0-60 in 2 second toys, but mandating and subsidizing them is BS!
What if it’s cold and your ICE battery dies (as it did for MANY) during cold spells? ICE vehicles have issues in the cold too. And these are extreme temps.
@@davidlebel9687 ICE vehicles keep the roads open during winter, and haul crippled vehicles to the shop, winter after below zero winter. This little cold problem is only one of many issues with EVs. Good luck to the early adapters, but forcing these things down our throats vis CAFE standards is BS. And, using our tax dollars to subsidize them and outfit municipalities with underperforming, mega expensive, EV monstrosity busses is infuriating!
Well said. @@0rnery
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tip of the iceberg.. wait until 2035 when California is 100% electric cars
Be a good time to start a towing business! 👍
That won't happen.
I live in California where the state government is strongly and yet stupidly promoting electric vehicles.
Waiting. Yeah, the California joke that has to keep waiting for 🙈
@@davidgrisez It won’t be first time the government has blown it and it won’t be the last! 😩😩😩
Good luck during a natural disaster, at least with and ICE one can stockpile fuel on a rotating basis to keep it from going bad. Hybrids are the bext logical step insread of going full electric. Not to mention the generation issue and the fragility of the grid. Anyone remember Labor Day of 2023 when gruesome told EV owners to NOT charge their cars????
It’s all good, we have our own solar array, so we don’t rely on or stress the grid and drive for free.
@@JoeMama-ud5eh So, you have a powerwall in your garage, where you park your rolling lithium bomb...
Does your fire insurance cover that? XD
@@JoeMama-ud5eh I'm sure those solar arrays will come in handy during dense cloudy weather.
Actually, we don’t have batteries. Newer style of batteries weren’t as popular for grid tied systems at the time. The grid is, essentially, or storage, so the electric meter keeps track of how much goes in vs out. We export a lot, likely feeding the neighbors, but we get credits we’ll use when cloudy or at night. The array is sized so that in the winter, we’ll make about half of what we use, but we have enough credits saved up to carry us through the winter without a bill, basically $13 for the connection. However, ours is fixed, can’t tilt or anything, so after a snow, it’s 1 more chore to go out and clean it off! 😬👀😁. Batteries would help out, even with grid tied systems, especially if there’s a zombie apocalypse, no? 🤪
@@JoeMama-ud5eh Charging your car by Solar...AT NIGHT probably. You do realize that the BEV battery pack would take 4 days to charge from the average house solar? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL That's if the house was drawing NOTHING!
I guess "the way of the future" is to not get around in the cold, just in the warm months... Useless junk.
Will never have an electric car and will never vote for the party that seems to think they have the right to force me to have one. Long live ICE CARS. TRUMP 2024!
Naaa…. Bring on the gas tax. I hope it goes to $8 a gallon. What is it going to take to get people to stop wasting gas? Seen so many people sit there in nice weather with the engine running. And they wonder why we are reliant on oil imports?
@@JoeMama-ud5ehThen the price of goods go up too genius. Dont shoot yourself in the foot now.
if you think for a second that they wont raise electric once the majority has ev cars your crazy. and before you say solar,where i live right now there isnt enough sun to charge the solar lights that illuminate my sidewalk @@JoeMama-ud5eh
What would Elon Musk say?
Last time I checked Elon is a conservative
Everything about an EV results in a "decrease of range".
So... in freezing temperatures the battery's health is prioritized over the driver's health who has to wait in an ice cold vehicle until the pack is conditioned. Well done! 😂 I'm very glad that my car's gas tank is not even on a severe weather priority check list.
Also you have to find a hobby while charging your EV
@@onsokumaru4663 riding an exercise bike with built-in generator?
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@@bfelten1 the same happens at the power plants that generate electricity for the EVs. Thank you for your generous donations too from natural gas, coal and the grid barons! At least with my donations I only need 3 minutes in a warm car to fill her up while you need to freeze yourself for an hour. 😄 Very smart investment 👍
@@bfelten1 what about transportation, taxes, regulations, etc? If you want to look at who's gouging take a glance at Big Pharma
How would it work in Alberta, Canada where 30-40 degrees below zero Celsius is common in Nov., Dec.. and January?
They won't. Not practical at all in areas with sub zero temps.
They work perfectly well, thank you very much. Greetings from Sweden with just as harsh a climate as Canada, where Tesla works perfectly in 30 to 40 degrees below zero.
@@cb2000a And you know this from your own experience, yes? Do you even own an ICE car?
Never trust hearsay, it can easily make you look like an idiot...
@@bfelten1 .. sure. Even Greta doesn't believe that.
No one expected this to happen in cold weather?! Ummm yea lots of people did. Especially when you use the heater or AC..range drops. Heck no to range anxiety, finding a charger, and wasting time while charging :/
And no one is doing their homework. In 8-10 years, you will, not if, have to change the battery at a mere $20,000. The car might be worth $5000 by that time. If you try to sell it or trade it up at a dealership, the very first question the dealer will ask is when was that battery last changed? If the answer is never………goodbye!
The simple answer is to pre-heat the battery. Most newer EVs can do that. I've never had a problem.
Everytime I see an ev I tell my tacoma how much I love it,in fact I'm going to tell him good night and I love him right now. ❤❤❤❤❤
I wonder if any charging stations supply free wi/fi for those that can do some out of office work while waiting for the battery to charge or waiting in line to get to the charger.
@@russellkeeling4387 the great thing is you can charge your EV at home so you don't need to visit superchargers very often and save so much time. When you do, it takes about 20 minutes at a decent one.
I've been saying this for years, this Lithium stuff is NOT the way forward.
I know, right? Elon is such an idiot, right?
I had this concern from pretty much the beginning of Tesla, until now every time I mentioned it people would just call me crazy and say it works fine. Weird how things changed.
Holy Electric Jesus, the Trojan Horse of the auto industry worldwide
I am sticking to tried, true and trusted diesel.
I will never buy an EV.
I've got an EV and not had a problem. Fast and cheap to run and does well in the cold with the battery pre-heater.
@@stephenbirchall941 where do you live and how far do you go?
@@paulpedersen295 I live in the UK and get from the north of the country to the south coast on one charge.
@@stephenbirchall941 You live in a postage stamp of a country compared to Australia.
Recently I drove Darwin to Adelaide and return, over 3000kms in three days, averaging 1000kms per day, but on one day did 1350kms.
Where does your EV stand now.
This was in my 2004 Toyota Hilux diesel.
@@paulpedersen295 well there are a lot of Australians joining the Tesla site I'm on and they are all enjoying their Tesla's and the increasing numbers of charge points.
More fool those who fell for this scam.....hey, keep denying the aggro with these things though , just don't park anywhere near me !
Those fools think they are saving the environment.....and they believe what our government says...yeah ok
All of this was TOTALLY KNOWN before they started selling EV's. Lithium's low-temp limitation is well known to those that garner their own facts. To those who listened to lies from government and companies deserve to take a big lose on their investments. Maybe they will be less sheep and more discerning consumer next time. The Age of Stupidity is in full force! Companies are loving it!
Tesla’s are for the summer and to do some nearby shopping it seams.
🥶🌹
They don’t like heat either…catch up
So you pay a premium for a toy that is not practical.
Not even. As the heat will deteriorate the battery and you will need a new battery after a few months. Batteries need the perfect temperature to work and not degrade.
@@pinoyrunningpenguin what about the fire boi?
Not good near salt water either they catch on fire. Real easy. They are just dangerous in my opinion
People can choose what works for them. I have a Tesla and live in Canada, and it works great for me. I lose 30% of range in the winter, which is about 300km, which is more than enough for my daily use. I charge at home for about $5 US for a 0-100% charge, or free at work. I've saved $900 US in gas over the last 6m, and the car is comfortable, very well-featured, and insanely fast. I'll never go back to ICE.
Awesome, save a $1,000 in gas and depreciate 30 times that when you drive it off the car lot. Sign me up!
I'm all for personal freedom and I'm glad to hear you're happy with your Tesla. I think much of the disdain and anger comes out of the fact that governments are ready to use force to take the choice away.
I would be satified as well if I worked at home, had my groceries delievered, never went outside my house and lived a reclusive life. Good luck passing on your bullsh*t opinions.
@@godsamongmen8003 That is the rub. The less government, the better!
I've lost about 10% in depreciation, but that's expected for a newer car. I don't believe in government mandates. Not sure what the comment about being a recluse is about. I guess you know a lot about me based on my description of my car. You should start a psychic hotline or smth.
In Winter:
Gas Cars: Heat is a natural byproduct of combustion, and is harnessed and used not only to keep the engine warm, but also the cabin.
Electric Cars: Fuel (electricity) is spent to keep the car's systems warm even while you're not driving it. The longer it's parked, the more electricity you're using. You have to either plug it in, or you lose lots of range.
My Gas Car doesn't use any energy at all while it sits unused, other than a tiny amount that is lost in the acid-based battery that allows the car to start initially. I can let it parked in freezing cold temperatures for more than a week and it will fire up, no problem at all. I had an '03 Lincoln Town Car as a backup vehicle and when I needed to drive it last week, it had been sitting in a 20-40F Garage for almost 4 months. Went out there, turned the key and she fired up right away. No problems at all, other than a slightly low tire that needed some air.
In the summer, one might say "you gotta cool that gas engine!" ... well, you gotta cool an EV battery too. Excess heat doesn't do good for either system. And again, while the car sits unused, almost zero energy is spent. I can leave my car sitting for a week, and it has the exact same amount of fuel as it had when I last parked it. Gasoline will degrade slowly, but it takes upwards of a _year_ for that to happen and even then, other than a mild performance loss, you can run year-old gasoline, you just don't want to leave it sitting in a carburetor (only older engines have these, newer ones use fuel injectors) because it'll gum up the delicate moving parts if you let old gas sitting in there through temperature changes over a long period of time.
Meanwhile, you can't leave an EV sitting for a week without plugging it in every so often, so if you're ever faced with a situation where you gotta drive to an area where there's not many chargers around, you gotta plug it into a standard outlet which takes absolutely forever from what I've heard, and even then.... do you think that electricity is free? Of course not! It has to come from somewhere and it'll show up on your electricity bill at the end of the month.
So, if you plug your car in while your car sits in subzero temperatures, it's draining electricity from your house _constantly_ while the gas car doesn't. And if you gotta work in those freezing temperatures, I hope you live close because if you drive to your workplace and park the car in the parking lot, chances are there's no charger there. 9 hours later in -10F, you're gonna be faced with a good range hit. You used range to drive there, you're gonna be losing range for your car to keep the battery warm, and hopefully you got enough left you can get to a charger.
It's just too much hassle. And to add to that, a lot of electricity comes from coal power plants anyway. What's the difference between burning coal in a huge power plant to generate electricity for you to put in your car, and burning gasoline to produce the energy to move your car? Any car post 2010 has quite a number of innovations to improve efficiency and reduce harmful exhaust.
Why is everybody pretending that spending 30 to 50 minutes to charge your car is acceptable? Who has this much time?
Why aren't economist screaming about lost productivity of ppl wasting their time doing little to nothing while charging their car. It used to be that 15 min delay due to road construction was unacceptable. Now suddenly it ok that the entire working population will waste time charging EVs?
Besides myself you're the first one I've heard mention this. When I see people sitting in their cars charging I think they could be doing something productive with their time
I wanted one of these cars when they first came out. I saw a Tesla driving past me on the road and I began drooling. Now I'm disenchanted and unpleasantly surprised.
I have a Ford Model T 1915 since 1981. She always brought me back home . She never caught fire, I shall never change it for an $80,000 EV. 😉
Great video - and as far as I’m concerned firmly bangs the nail into the EV’s coffin.
Not sure why. As long as you use the battery heater, there is no problem. My EV is fast and cheap to run.
There will always be a 10% (or so) customer base of EV cultist who will own them regardless of cost and inconvenience. I can’t imagine spending $60,000 or more on a vehicle that won’t serve me quickly and easily even though I’m saving the planet😂
It doesnt even save the planet. The mining is super polluting. Also, the toxic fumes from all the fires and the waste leaking into our groundwater. This was a scam.
You can't "return to gas", because you never went away from gas.
To my knowledge, EVs make up less than 0.1% of worldwide vehicles.
We told you, but you needed to feel the pain to learn.
They also wouldn't listen to me when I warned them not to bob for french fries.
@@robertkubrick3738 some are just slow learners. LoL
"pain is the best teacher" - Bowser.
As i type this... 3 of my neighbors are trying different ways to charge their various EVs in -10C with no success! The Hydro company keeps pushing us to lower our electricity use to avoid grid crashes LOL... power losses happen for a few hours on the average of once a week! Yes gas prices are too high but... I really enjoy being able to leave home at any time in my 2014 Mazda 3, and get a real kick out of starting up my old carburated '77 Chevelle to go for a spin!
“Relatively normal”? I don’t think so.
I would never buy and Ev those cars lose price like crazy, they fire hazard even with out been plug in. I dont like how Government its pushing us to buy those cars, prices of those Battery packs 9,000 to 16,000 and maybe more on your application, if you think you saving on fuel and oil changes think twice. This vehicle require more frequent tire change, they more expensive in every way. Because they not or have and alternator.......
Didn't they figure this out in the 1800's? Didn't we have EV cars BEFORE we had gas powered cars? but it was quickly learned that battery powered cars probably wasn't a good path to take?
So basically if you read the owners manual you would have learned to warm the battery first and then it would start to charge. 2 hrs or so to fully charge. Also hybrid is the way to go. Nice to know so many people bought a expensive lawn decoration for winter
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Yikes, Hybrid? Not only to you have all ICE issues to worry about, but an electric drive train as well... Um, no thanks.
@@0rnery When was the Prius Made? 🤔
@@vu7419 My son purchased a new 2014 in 2016. He's had real good luck with it since. Still running OK, but I'd NEVER chance it. He can afford weird repairs, but I can't. I'll stick with tried & true body on frame, V8, "panther" based sedans. My newest is a 2006.
@@0rnery Body damage is the only concern here in Houston. We had maybe 4days where it dipped below 32. Sitting in Houston traffic in summer where we had about 100 straight days above 100 degrees....Sold.
The EV market is dying fast , and the depreciation on these vehicles is phenomenal.
You might consider seeing your doctor and checking your meds?
The real world: EV adoption rate rising sharply worldwide, reaching top in Norway where 85 out of 100 new cars are EVs.
Most sold car worldwide 2023: Tesla Model Y
Depreciation is high because new ones are getting cheaper by the day as Tesla builds now 5000 EVs each day.
Iv noticed 90% of EV owners are onto there 6th booster > ?
Yeah
🐑 sheep
🤣🤣 yup...
Freedom to make your own choice evades you
If you have ever gone to a gas station to put air in a tire during very cold weather, I imagine you found the air compressor “out of order”. I bought my own compressor YEARS ago because of that. What do you expect? DUH!
I think I’d get a horse before an EV.
When I pass an electric vehicle, mainly teslas others you can't tell which ones are, I think to myself how much anxiety is there in that you need to find a charging station right away or be stuck, whereby I can pop into a gas station practically every mile or so gas up and be on my way in less than ten minutes, a rechargeable vehicle takes hours to charge, what do you do in the time especially when it's cold. I recently read that these vehicles eat tires also, people have to replace them every 10,000 miles or less, that's insane especially since they cost upwards of 1,500 for a set of four, that's nuts.
All nonsense. Mine takes 0 time to charge (it charges while I sleep) and costs 1/5 for fuel. The tires do not wear out in 10,000 miles unless you are racing and they do not cost $1500. $200 - 250 per tire is more typical.
@@rsmithgi 250 each times 4 is 1k plus installation tax and disposal fee, unless you own your own tire changing machine and a high speed balancer so 1,500 sounds about right. It doesn't take zero time to charge how do you make that out, it charges while you sleep, it takes time but just because you're not there watching it charge doesn't mean it takes no time, make sense man, then what about going out on the road and it needs charging you have to sit there wasting time while it juices up, if you like it that's great but it's not for everyone and not every one has the luxury of a heated garage, just don't force me to get one, the government needs to stay out of it.
@@Peter-pv8xx I agree with they are not for everyone and the government should stay out of it. You don’t need to spread misinformation. Tires for performance gas cars are the same price. I had a BMW 3 series for 10 years so I know from experience. I will enjoy the convenience, superior performance, and much lower cost of ownership with a car that performs like a BMW but cost me the same as a Toyota Corolla.
Everyone considering an EV must watch this. Well done, pull no punches, truth be told.
The EV fad is fading fast.
I’ve been driving for 15 years and never once have I feared running out of gas. Fill up once every two weeks. Wait in line at Costco for 10min
driving purely electric now for 10 years with more than 300.000 miles, mostly Tesla, but some other cheaper EVs as well, and never ever had any problem with it, so what ?
Cry me a river 😁😁 that's what they get for going GOVERNMENT MOTORS GREEN NEW DEAL. 🙂😁😁😂😂😂😂
I have personally driven gasoline cars and trucks as well as deisels for over two million miles and so I am an expert that cannot not be fooled by nonsense. Modern gas vehicles barely lose any range, and in most cases by fraction of one percent. Also it doesn't take
But 5 to 7 minutes to refill a gas vehicle making the so called range anxiety non existent. Electric car balcony will never win over real facts.
How to milk sheep.......
A famous quote from all the oil barons. They thank y'all for your hard work with keeping the petrodollar flowing their way.
This US/Canadian issue with ev makes me wonder why similar complaints aren't coming from Norway, Finland and Sweden?
I'm from Québec and people here seems to deal with it no complaints.
EV are far from being perfect, but you just need to plan better on a super cold day.
For me, the worst problem is not the cold temperature. It's the aerodynamic. When I put a ski rack on top, the car is not able to estimate the range drop properly.
Bad driver will always prefer ICE car.
@@jean-sebastienbrideau2556 So do we just disregard all the car fires that burn for days all over the world, or the EV buses in the UK busting into flame, or the toxic smoke clouds. Like, you aren't suggesting that bad driving is causing that LOL.
@@GoldSkye I love how people like you only take what suits them from a message. I've said that EVs are fare from perfect.
But in case you didn't know, EV catch fire 5 to 10 times less than a ICE car.
On top of that, more car manufacturer have LFP battery tech. wich are even less likely to catch fire.
For sure, legacy media backed by legacy car manufacturer, when an EV car is on fire, they are jumping on , above all if it's a Tesla.
LOL ! 🤔
Long term decisions based off of emotion never works haha .
Yep, it's science by emotion.
EV's are better than ICE vehicles in some ways - quieter, smoother running, better torque at low speeds etc. But they have other major problems which make them a liability. Poor range, leading to range anxiety and frequent, compulsory 'coffee stops' whether you want a coffee or not. Then there's this temperature problem, which is far worse than anything we see with ICE cars. The battery technology is just not up to the job, and the cars have been rushed onto a generally unwilling public. And it's being done in such a manner that it feels like being under attack.
Preconditioning, which will consume electricity at cost without adding any range. How can this be eco friendly!
Every stat here is underestimated. Range loss is far worse. So it’s basically like a gas car sitting and running for hours just because it’s cold. And the loss in energy makes it not green. Duh
Don't worry if your car goes out Joe Biden will come help you😅😅
A FOOL AND HIS MONEY IS EASILY DEPARTED
Makes you wander if the EPA was sleeping at the wheel on these major flaws.
They knew about this, they just want to shove EVs down your throat regardless.
The EPA is like the rest of our government......for sale to the highest bidder...
No, they were complicit in the SCAM and CON game. Here in America, they all got wealthy. They were paid off.
Simply not fit for purpose.
Everyday a new sucker is born, and those suckers purchased EVs 😂
“The Problem with EVs”, this a misnomer it should be the PROBLEMS with EVS.
Just for starters, they are too expensive, too heavy, inefficient, the claimed range in all of them is wildly optimistic and largely unachievable.
If the battery pack under the floor is scraped it is potentially dangerous and will,need expensive expert intervention or replacing at huge cost.
When EVs are involved in an accident they are increasingly being written off as replacing the battery pack can be more expensive than is economically viable.
Lithium-ion cells can easily fail, causing fire which rapidly becomes thermal runaway which cannot be extinguished, a chemical,gas cloud rapidly forms which is explosive and highly toxic.
The highly chemicals that are mined for battery manufacture are largely from the Third World using cheap Labour with little care for workers’ health and cause more damage to the environment. To claim enough raw material to manufacture 1 kilogram of a Lithium-ion cell reaches many tons of material.
That’s all just for starters!
We have the same problem in the construction industry, our batteries don’t charge well in cold conditions. Electric vehicles should have solved this problem.
They have solved the problem. Newer EVs have battery pre-heaters.
if we just stop building giant luxury cars and instead we build small cheap city cars with small batteries that can do just city mobility maybe electric cars can find a niche where they can actually be an advantage
That only works for cities with short commutes and no regular traffic congestion: ie places where housing is close to employment like NYC. Jump to places like LA where even short commutes take an hour or more due to congestion and your idea fails.
@@knotengajin7359 99% of euro cities are like this, no one cares about LA
Okay, so one; has no-one with an EV or the die-hard supporters ever used cordless tools in winter?
And two, if running all air conditioners during summer causes a huge strain on the grid, what is to happen when everyone is forced to buy cars that need to charge every night?
Three, does no-one realize that the same batteries that were bursting into flames in peoples pockets during the "tanks on a mech" vaping craze are the same as in many(especially Tesla) EV battery packs?
And now there's issues with increased tire wear due to more weight.
Yeah, i'll stick with my ICE even if i have to repair everything myself.
If you own a home, have a garage and have the money to drop a 100k on an electric vehicle to say, look at me, and drive around town...fine. But you have to be absolutely brain dead to have it as a primary vehicle.
My God, the nonsense in the comments is laughable.
I would rather take a chance on a bicycle than an ev.
I think that is what they are hoping for...
Why don't E.V companies just use those magical NAZA's batteries, like the ones that they've been using on Mars for over 20 years now ? It's never above minus 80ºf and with no maintenance at all, those batteries somehow never die. I find that most curious. (The Devil is in the details)
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NAZA designed four E cars that cost $38,000,000 each and they couldn't even reach eight miles an hour.
Plus they have never left the earth before so thats what the devils details should have told you by now
I agree. No one or nothing can ever leave Earth. We live in a closed system. The sky really is the limit.
NAZA is Santa Claus for brainwashed adults.@@effigy42
that’s the point and nobody see it, they want you to drive only 15mins, that’s way they struggling to add 15 mins city’s 💀
where is the free world 🌍
They like their PLANTATIONS small.
a dud technolegy rolled out far to soon
EV : NEVER ! Even if l was given one as a present
Couldnt help but laugh about how you talk about how cold it was there, in Alberta it was -50c and the highways had dead EVs ever few KMs.
EVs are only useful in a 40 km radius but not for long travels. I drove once over 5500 km in three and a half days which is impossible with any EV. But for trip to the supermarket is not worth the price.
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@@bfelten1 I only make round 5000 km a year so buying a car that I will nave to work few years to pay is the solution with less than 15K a year? I will never buy a car over 5000€ since it makes no sense to me to destroy my life in order to be able to afford an EV. I drove a company car so far and payed by the hour. Will EV company refund me for the time waiting at the charging station?
I think you meant without further ado not without much ado. One means to start straight away and the other means no more fuss.
Yes, there are problems with this new electric vehicle technology, but let's think back to the horse to car transition. So many problems appeared - proper roads, reliability, fueling stations, service stations, noise, etc. It has taken 100 years to get ICE vehicles to today's performance level. A decade or two from now, I suspect we'll all wonder why we didn't go electric sooner. Our technology is just playing catchup. It all hinges on faster charging, more efficient batteries. Researchers will prevail.
Time is money! Time lost is money lost! I know EV owners getting rid of their EVs because they say it cost them more to operate than a gas car! I would never buy one! I see them on the side of the road daily awaiting a tow truck and that is here in Southern California 😂🤣
Batteries are for toys, games and tools. Not for vehicles.
@@HEHE-dx9og I love cordless tools for anything they can do in one minute or less. If it takes longer, I run a cord and use a tool with 4-5 times as much power. Kind of like comparing a BEV to an ICE vehicle.
And how do you know they are "awaiting a tow truck"? Does SoCal have special signs to put on the cars for that? And you don't really know any EV owners, do you? No EV owner would lie like that. Nice try kiddo...
So it`s normal to just park on the side of a highway???@@bfelten1
I think electric have some uses, but they’re just not practical they don’t last as long and a car is already a bad investment but an electric car is worse and it’s probably better you just throw away your money…The problem is we have a bunch of people living their life on emotion and not really doing their research. If you dig deep into the emotional hyperbole of climate change, you will find out it is a deceptive lie, and we can all live in teepees and eat grass, and that would not change anything…
"If you dig deep into the emotional hyperbole of climate change, you will find out it is a deceptive lie, and we can all live in teepees and eat grass, and that would not change anything…" Absolutely correct!! Instead of talking about EVs, we should be considering things like Galactic Current Sheets, polar reversals, micronovas and weakening magnetospheres. THEN we will begin to understand climate change (without the Co2 lies). Yes, the climate is changing but it has very little to do with human activity and so much more to do with space weather and our star.
So pay for heating to and there goes your mileage.
Cognitive dissonance can get you into serious trouble. Will they ever learn? Obviously boosted x 3 too. Imagine your whole life revolving around your car.
There's ups and downs for any product.ill stick with my vehicles that run on gas.
EV's work better in warmer conditions. Conditions like Global Warming. Oh the irony.
A man rescued a woman trapped in a EV car fire. She successfully sued him for the harm done to her. His lawyer said he should have walked away.
I think we may have to rethink the whole EV concept or at least Postpone Saturating the Market Place with them.
Wouldn't have 1 at half the price. Unless you live in a warm weather climate forget it!!!!!!!!!!!
The last year I have heard SSSOOOOO many people say the electric cars don’t have a problem during winter. They were all wrong.
For so many reasons EVs are not to future! Clean fuel technologies eg . Hydrogen allow ICEs to run totally clean. Even natural gas and propane are super clean compared to EVs and their non-renewable rare earth minerals. Battery technology is inappropriate for transportation especially the ordinary, multi-use automobile. In short, the reasons EVs lost out to ICEs over 100 years ago remain the same today!
While my Honda gets less gas mileage in the winter due to snow tires and the use of my heater. I can fuel up in less than 5 minutes and keep going. I can sit and idle for a long time on a little bit of gas while I wait a few minutes. And if my battery does die. I can charge it in just a few minutes to get it started no
Anyone that has every used a battery in cold weather knows that batteries die in the cold where gas power is way more efficient.
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@@bfelten1 No thank you. I make money from oil and gas.
I'll never buy an EV!
You can tell on the commercials you never see someone charging the EV in a snow filled ground, it only shows charging in clear dry sunny day.
So the one who invented electric car never crossed their mind about chill weather.
EVs pretty much require being in a garage overnight. Yet millions of car owners do not have a garage. This point has been overlooked on purpose by those pushing EV targets and mandates.
Well the EV enthusiasts got all caught up in the celestial hype and sales talk about how wonderful these cars were going to be, not to mention how foolish everyone else was for not jumping on the bandwagon and buying one so don't feel sorry for them at all if they are stuck out in the freezing cold waiting for their battery to charge while everyone else has fueled up and are already home warming themselves up by the fireplace.
Gas is hard to get rid of . Takes alot of technology to overcome issues.
HAHA, I have been saying the idea is nice but battery tech isn't there yet since the beginning but everybody told me I was nuts.
I want a vehicle that can drive 3000 miles on a 15 minute fill up, like I have with my diesel pickup that holds 120 gallons of fuel.
The list of deficiencies misses one point that makes EV operation a treacherous game which is the price of running the battery completely dead. A gasoline vehicle with a dry gas tank can almost always be put back in motion by carrying a two gallon plastic can to the vehicle and pouring it into the tank. A diesel fuel system is more complicated due to extremely high pressure pumps and their inherent need for priming, but usually it boils down to adding fuel. Electricity cannot be carried in cans. An EV that has insufficient charge must be moved to the charging station,, period no exceptions. People short sighted enough to vote these environmental idiots into power so they can vilify the fossil fuel network on which our society depends are inherently unable to grasp such concepts. Mohammed goes to the mountain a lot easier than the mountain to Mohammed.