The First Turning and the End of Woke
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2022
- According to the generational theory of William Strauss and Neil Howe, within the next ten years the Anglo-American world should be moving out of its current Crisis into what they call a High. This will be a calmer, more optimistic time akin to the 1950s and 1960s, when society pulls together. The aggressive 'woke' style of discourse will fade away as the ideals of fairness and inclusion are accepted as settled. References: 'Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069' by William Strauss and Neil Howe (1991); and 'The Fourth Turning: What the Cycles of History Tell Us About America's Next Rendezvous with Destiny' by Neil Howe and William Strauss (1996).
I refuse to let people call me a millennial. I was born in 1984, now Im living in 1984. Nobody's degrees, position, fame, or anything else mean anything to me, anymore. I watched the entire world go enthusiastically insane and i will not suffer a label from it. I had to move to the middle of nowhere because i couldn't stand being surrounded by weak, gullible, and spitefully ignorant people who obeyed the stranger giving them orders from their screen of choice.
Same (well 82) - def much more inclined to be an X’er, if anything
Gen X = 1965-1985
@@jasoncrandallothers place that at 65-80.
@@gcanaday1 “Others” = people who want to be called “millennials”. Until the term “Millenial” came along generations were always measured every 20 years.
I'm 35 and I agree. PhDs and other titles now have the opposite effect for me. Everyone is willfully ignorant, spiteful, and extremely delusional.
These turnings are socially engineered. I look back at my early life and can see where culture was feeding me the ideas I was supposed to adopt.
I used to think that too. Now I believe the degradation is orchestrated by a spiritual realm. I believe the "powers that be", genuinely think they are going to save the world. They are deceived, but I don't believe, malicious.
What ideas in particular? I'm like in the middle of the video and I can't help but be skeptical about everything tbh
“You cannot raise your children as your parents raised you, because your parents raised you for a world that no longer exists.”.
Seems like we are being socially engineered for apocalypse settings, every man for himself- tribalism. The upswing after: calculated.
I agree actually. I don’t think these moods/movements are born from the youth or common folk. They’re coming from the top down. Power elites, corporations, the WEF, Gates, Rockefeller’s, the CFR, the CNP etc
Excellent episode. I’ve warned my kids that their kids will reject their pious collectivism, and reject it hard. They don’t believe me.
Knowing them, they will be "worse."
Hard.
I hope you have awesome grandkids. For all our sakes!
Maybe show them this?
My 6 year old ALPHA Generation son already tells me he thinks the teens and 20'somethings (Millenials / Gen Z) are psycho/insane.... The Alphas see what they've put out there on social media and it's insane.
I believe the 2008 financial crash was the start of the 4th Turning rather than the 9/11 attacks, I'm a 31yo Millennial who graduated high school in 2010 and there was definitely a major shift in society after the 2008 financial crash. I point it out regularly, 2008 is also around the time when social media sites became popular.
Somewhere in the early-mid 2010's is when this current cultural revolution began, and I noticed that 2020 was when society became downright bizarre like we entered into an alternate dimension.
That was my breaking point that pushed me to leave the left and become more socially conservative, part of that could also be me turning 30yo but it mostly has to do with me waking up and seeing that the left has been taken over by far left extremists.
I have zero hope for the future right now, I have a sense of impending doom because I know that we're about experience a severe crisis that is likely going to usher in a totalitarian dystopia (cough cough World Economic Forum Agenda 2030 cough cough).
Obama happened in 2008. He sped things along.
What do you think paved the way for all of that to be both funded-by and weaponized-against a populace with a constitutionally enshrined right to privacy?
When coming at the cost of human rights, widespread awareness is guaranteed to lead to resistance at-scale. Subtle measures at a slow pace, however, work well to keep the overwhelming majority pacified as unwitting fools conned into embracing the trap of convenience until inevitably becoming entirely dependent, or when that doesn’t work then we conveniently lose a bunch of our previous gen mil-tech and a paper-tiger enemy is propped up so the fear-porn campaigns can start propagandizing the trading of human rights for some abstract promise of “security” as somehow ever being acceptable in any way.
Israel terrorized U.S., then the Israeli dual-nationals infiltrating the highest positions of unelected office sicced U.S. like dogs for the greater Israel project, sending our children to go kill and die in nations entirely unrelated to the attack on our own while they orchestrated a coup and setup the Kurds as an oil proxy, to this day with 2/3+ of all Israeli oil coming from their pillaging of Iraq at the expense of the U.S. taxpayers and of U.S. lives.
I was a senior in high school when 9/11 happened and I tend to agree with you. The culture did not change much after 9/11 but it changed drastically after the financial crisis preceeding the 2008 election. It changed even more in 2012.
I feel like Tumblr radicalized a ton of feminists. It really wasn't such a dark or radical movement until Tumblr popularized it.
So you joined the right that’s taken over by far right extremists? Why do you have to adhere to either? Be your own person. Stop joining cults.
This guy rarely uploads but when he does you just can't help but drop everything you're doing to watch the entire video
Yeah, I just came upon the channel today and have been watching for hours straight
Yeah but he's wrong about Woke Culture going away. "Going Woke" is an understanding that there are systemic problems with Racism and bigotry that need to be addressed. Most people who know what it means to be Woke view it as a complement. Meanwhile conservatives out there are using the word Woke to mean Politically correct. The anti-woke conservatives are mainly aging Baby Boomers and in 2024 they will be outnumbered by Milenials who are aging into middle ages as the largest voting cohort. The Anti-woke conservatives have already lost the majority of their political power. They've lost ideologically, culturally, demographically, and now they're just old enough that natural causes are claiming an average of 5,000 a day.
Certainly very interesting and optimistic. If everyone were given a far wider educatiob than they receive perhaps things might actually flatten out. But somehow this explanation seems natural enough. Furthermore it is really interesting to know what effects these cycles might have on general physical and mental health and disease related to stress, abuse of relative abundance etc.
This is so true!! 😆
True...easily one of the best research videos I have ever seen
Whether you agree or not, it must be recognized that this is an excellent and interesting work that deserves attention from beginning to end.
It doesn't deserve anything. I'd agree that this video is very very interesting. Makes me wonder if it's really where we are or maybe a little further😮
No its not. It takes an entire generation of people and makes them a monolith. The hippies were not the only people that existed in the 60s and 70s. There were also young people who were virulent racists, nerds, artists... etc. Every generation there are the same damn people. Because thats how people work.
This is just cope by aging fuddy duddies who are bitter that theyre not young anymore or maybe never were and what they know is not what is being listened to so theyre trying to find a rationalization of why theyre still the smart ones.
Come on, that guy was highly committed to explaining a tedious process. I doubt he is getting paid much for it.
🎉🎉Not calculating Propaganda fed society, Public schooling, Seductive and Materialistic media, Gov stirring up Culture wars, Social media, now WOKE Laws, Mandates, fear of Cancel Culture... on and on, Influences and Legislation Channeling and Imprisoning Society in Group Think and/or Survival Mode.🎉🎉 Imprison
The issue I have with this cycle system is that it's not taken account for the growing demographics of 'diversity'. I don't believe the authors anticipated the over all changes that come when we're surrounded by people who don't share the same race, religion, and culture. No way would we have this 'woke' nonsense if we were still a country with a majority demographic. I have zero faith any of this is going to end well.
Thank you for this in-depth and methodically deconstructed and, I'd say, improved upon understanding of the generational theory. Truly, this is an immense feat.
As an aside, Howe has stated several times in interviews that he and Strauss pin the likely beginning of the 4th Turning as the great financial crisis of 08'. This means that we enter the high in 2030, give or take a few years. Most likely we are still on the way up to the peak of this cycle's crisis and that's why society and politics continue to feel like they are accelerating toward disaster.
I think it will keep spiraling towards collapse. Then only after a collapse and rough time will the rebuilding begin. It’s highly optimistic to think we’d be on the upswing in only 7 years.
@@jefffinkbonner9551 you forget the exponentially accelerating nature of things
the next steps might come even faster... imagine, we all might go off like Powder in fifteen years...
The public are always influenced by 'events' which trump any organic societal rythem
the problem is our financial system allows for money printing and buffering/delaying (while magnifying) issues.
i don't think this pattern will maintain it's regular length because of the influence of technology and abuse of it
@@wrongfootmcgeeyea I think this is a good example. Technology will also speed the entire process up. As I watched this video I kept thinking of mini-cycles, how some people exist in their own environment that sustains them within a different cycle (ie a Mennonite child would probably not be in the same cycle as a child living a secular life in Brooklyn etc ) there’s a lot of work that could still take place with this theory because it was written before the internet was conceived
The grim reality of the situation is that these patterns will cease to exist due to every Anglo country simultaneously being overrun by those with little to absolutely no history of society building.
Nailed it.
Europe will not be the homogeneous societies that they once were. They have to go through a multicultural shift. It's a process that must happen and it will be painful. Barbara learner Spectre. One of the head chosen.
@@R-Lee- Yes and it may lead to future genocides centuries down the road. Wouldnt be the first time. The people they let in are incapable of living peacefully. That was intentionally.
Lol, lmao even.
Brilliant but sadly obvious to very few of us.
A few thoughts:
- Economic conditions (especially exogenous shocks) would play a role. In the 90's-2000's there was a free High from cheap imports from China and improving technology
- In the USSR, literature was really a measure of what the government decided to publish... in 2015 Russia surveys, the ones who really distrusted government would be the ones saying that the Duma is great. The more trusting ones would feel safe enough to say they don't trust it.
- When there's a period of stability, there's a tendency to want to relax (in the economy, that means taking on higher debt levels or running a business with lower inventory; in institutions it might mean cutting away regulations; in politics it might mean voting for more extreme candidates, because people are less concerned about disastrously bad leadership). So that could be another oscillating force
- young adults are the foot soldiers of Crises and Awakenings, but they're often following older leaders. For example the Woke aren't just following each other, they're following their teachers, and messaging from elites (and social media can be and is amplified and manipulated)
The 50s and 60s being characterized as a time of pulling society together... was really a time of the US building out its influence in the rest of the world and acquiring the strongest economy through that structure that the world has ever seen, taking advantage of other countries' industrial output being handicapped by WWI/II which the US took only a backseat in. It's a profoundly huge stretch to try to blame those causes on the regressive culture of the time.
The largest export economy becoming the largest colonial benefactor as well as the New Deal, the GI Bill, and the single largest period of government investment in education aren't what created the economic Golden age that bred the skilled technological class of the boomers? Cherrypick cherrypick
This is friggin brilliant. This is the most interesting thing I've learned in a long time. It's also way more accurate than the traditional view of generations.
Also, it's not surprising that academia would see the cyclical nature of the theory as pseudo-science. Every cyclical theory of history gets bashed by "quackademia" because the accepted view of history is linear. The farther you go back, the more primitive and the farther you go forward, the more advanced. But the linear view is incorrect at best and a lie at worst.
It's also revealing of their assumption that any idea not rooted in empiricism and consensus building is not worth considering. They have found their One True Idea.
I like his explanation but his commentary was inherently biased. She points to Greta Thunberg as an Ideal hero who was praised. But that is not at all a universal among mileneals at all. Same with being against Jordan Peterson when in fact most people that love Peterson are mileneals and most people that like great are generation x. Thunberg is seen as being part of the establishment and pure PR by her detractors. Someone who was groomed to believe something by her actor parents, where JP actively points the young people to find there own way by taking the best parts of previous generations and making them there own, which is literally a destroy the heroes journey of the redemption of the past through the young renewing the power in the world by “pulling the sword of from the stone”.
The theory is solid is graphing and description is excellent but his political perspective is biased.
Regardless whether history is cyclical or linear, Marxism as a Linear, progressive view of the story, and maybe that's the answer on why academia doesn't like cyclical views of it.
Personally, I do believe in the linearity of history as a whole, from creation to apocalypse, but along the way, this "line" might be quite wavy. That's where I oppose the marxists, because not always a society in the past is more primitive, and I'm not even considering technological advancements or quality of life, because events in history like the Bronze age collapse prove that the "advancement" can be stopped and retrocede, and societies can advance and retrocede at the same times in different aspects, such as the fall of the Roman Republic becoming the mighty Roman Empire, so the lost of democracy in exchange into becoming the most influential empire in human history. Also, the "flow of history" is not a global phenomena, not even in our globalized world. The same forces that apply to America's history aren't the same that apply onto Nigeria's history or Ukraine's history. There are many "flows" that can interact or not with one another.
one of the criticisms was "this is just saying it is because it is"
that's literally science
I suppose it's not in line with their science, which is more like, "it is because it'd be politically useful if it were"
@@dorjedriftwood2731I’m Gen X and my friends and family love JP and can’t drs d Greta.
I was speaking to a 17 year old today who felt like she was gen z and asked her what she felt about all the activist stuff, she said she couldn’t care less and just wants to play video games, which is apparently something you can now do as a college course (esports)😂😂
This is 90% of gen z. Not even any higher virtues, let alone interests outside of consuming media
@@LinkoliteMass Media is Dumber Than Kid's
@@Linkolitespot on, whatever the mainstream narrative is they will eat up.
Wow college is actually taking money to tell kids to play video games
@@blackbeltbear8100 All the President's Selected From Secret Societies Which They Traitors Mock All Time But Promote Openly In Their Mass Media Fakery
Am I the only one who finds this analysis horrifying? I was born 82. My attitudes on things tend to lean X, but I digress. The closing caption of this video pretty much validates what I was thinking throughout the entire presentation. Once Millennials get into power, There will be a High, but only because woke culture will have stabilized and become the norm. If you don't like woke stuff now, you're really going to hate 2030 and beyond. The hero generation will have been raised on Political Correctness, and Neo-Marxism since childhood. There will be a zero tolerance policy on dissent, just like there was zero tolerance in schooling and education. From here I can see exactly how they will usher in the POD/Bugs future as detailed by the WEF/Gates Foundation types. The Boomers set the stage for this dystopia and the Millennials will march us into their Utopia kicking and screaming. I guess us non-woke types will have to wait for the next Unraveling. I'll be pushing 60 by then. Hopefully I won't have been sent to the rainbow gulag or dragged to the frontlines of Ukraine to die for trans rights. If that's the future, then tell Putin to launch the spicy bois today and end it before it gets any worse.
It didn't last for the weimar. The weimar did not become the norm.
I would say that the core elements may remain, but the most abbrasive elements will be removed, and then it will be the generation after that, those that have to deal with the fallout of these ideals that will have a chance to overturn them.
Wokeism is already on the way out. Fear not brother.
Personally I think the order has been drawn out longer and can't be neatly formed around genx and millennial time frame. Our High has been greatly extended due to an unprecedented time of overall peace and I would argue that we are at the end of an artificially induced Awakening and heading rapidly through the unravelling, next stop crisis.
@@bojangles2492 and an honest awakening
It’s pretty clear now that 1982 is too early to draw the line for millennials. It’s probably 1983 or ‘84 bare minimum. For the most part, everything considered constitutive of the millennial experience applies to people born in ‘85 to the early 90s.
I'm a man, born in Europe in the 80s as well. You could watch all of it unfolding in front of your eyes. It's a mass phenomenon that rather pushed me out of the crowd, than me actively choosing to "get out". I just didn't agree with the trends. And all the labels were forced on us. They called me a "diehard" for relating to a simpler way of life, a "Nazi" for relating to a simpler way of life in my home country, a "conspiracy theorist" for asking reasonable questions, an "anti-democrat" for asking reasonable questions...they said "me and my three children causing the man-made climate change because...I never really understood....
Then the trends became the norm. And the norm became a disaster. Clinical insanity is now obligatory to stay in your job. And politicians could burn billions of tax payer money without it even gets covered in the news. Corruption became the norm, and Brussels became the center for industrialized corruption in Europe. And in all these years everyone could have made their own choices. But the VAST MAJORITY chose to simply obey and comply - on SO MANY levels.
Shit like that has always been happening. You just grew older and realized it.
@@alistairgeorge5082 You're probably right. Every generation identifies their unique problems and make a big deal out of it. Still, rather than realizing an up-curve (like my parents did in their 20s - 40s, for example), people of my generation recognizing a down-curve that's still not at it's end and it rather gets much worse. And I am really not sure about the mental state of our western society actually. I don't think that this is something that "has always been happening". I think - in this quality - it's really unique. But yeah, I give you that, in the broader perspective, the societal change between the 1950s and the 1970s was really extreme, and older people from the "good ol" 50s lamented about the extreme change in society as well/already.
Great summary!! You’re right on!
mass psychosis?
One thing to keep in mind is that a Saeculum is 80 to 120 years, which means a turning can be as short as 20 years or as long as 30. So, 2025 isn't written in stone as the end of the crisis. We'll really only know when the crisis has ended, sort of like how WWI started the crisis and it lingered until after WWII was concluded, but while you were in the crisis you didn't know how much longer it would last.
I also think what he said around the one hour mark makes me even more inclined to think this is going to be a longer turning. Millennials are taking a lot longer to move out of the radical, revolution-driving phase of young adulthood. Due to the nature of our particular crises, a lot of millennials are still far from forming families, finding stable careers, owning a home, etc. This is especially true for the latter half of the millennial gen. Young adulthood has been prolonged for many due to economic circumstances, and then exacerbated by the current cultural norms (Ie gender roles - marrying later, less kids, general interest in wokeneas, etc). I think our crisis will be prolonged because a huge percentage of our generation is taking a lot longer to move from “hippie to yuppie” than usual.
@@stefanielozinskiSocial media and the enhanced echo chambers it creates isn't helping either.
This crisis is likely to drag on into the early 2030s.
Exactly, hindsight is 20/20 here. It's just pattern recognition + predictors = conclusion. However, I really think technology is going to have far more of a detrimental bearing on the entire outcome than anyone could ever imagine. And not in a good way. Remember WWI + WWII were only termed as such in hindsight.
It's similar to having a broken heart.
The problem with such theories is that they're based on the assumed premise it's organic rather than covert social engineering via full spectrum dominance introducing, promoting, and guiding the social transformations.
In response to your final note and a very late Gen X I have been falling between the cracks my entire life and already being sidelined because of my opinions. So I’ll just watch from the sidelines with quite amusement and wait for the next awakening 😂😂😂
Are you me? 1974 here and I feel the same way
Early 70's here...I concur. Silly hoomins trying to find balance in the extremes they create. Popcorn?
It's typical of gen x. We are the most balanced well rounded of all the generations but not represented in politics as decision makers. There were just not enough of us born for us to make a difference in policies etc. Reason being we were the highest aborted generation in society. Maybe things would have been different if more of us made it into the world.
As one of the very last GenXers I feel the same way; I'll probably be stuck in the same dead-end jobs until I'm dead myself, be it from old age or democide.
Early gen x here - me too!
I think drastically changing demographics, revolutionary technology, and the internet is dissolving the boundaries between generations. But the trend seems accurate overall
Hm, I don't think I can agree. I mean, superficially it would seem so and until recently I firmly shared your belief. But some time ago I accidentaly joined a political discussion group on facebook founded and populated almost exclusively by high school and university students. And after a year or two of reading what they have to say about the world, I realised the generational boundaries are as firm as they were 25 years ago, together with all the usual baggage of alienation, frustration and contempt for the "old farts". Perhaps even more so, because these kids were the first generation growing up in a Digital Age, so they have even less common ground with my generation than I did with baby boomers. Their definitions and approach to some of the very basic concepts of social life are sometimes surprisingly alien. I was especially puzzled by their love life which seems to follow rules that are completely different to what I experienced in their age (and painfully convoluted at that).
I think if anything is it's the fact that Gen X is so small. The boomers had an early ascendancy and have remained in power much longer than normal, while X'rs have never had enough power to influence much of anything .
I agree wholeheartedly. We have boomers still in power long after they would have left due to medical advances and other factors, so they are extending their reach over society. We have also had numerous massive societal shifts occur on the scale of the industrial revolution in the last 20 years with the introduction of the internet, and now the birth of artificial intelligence that already is estimated to have an IQ nearly that of Einstein and will double every year from here. Things are going to remain in crisis for a whole lot longer and generations will be merged and lost as all of society, our economic reality, and humanity itself is going to be questioned and changed by what we are about to face.
Thatcher was fighting “socialism”, which motivated that statement there are only individuals. People take it too literally. Thatcher was actually extremely patriotic, she also stated that Britain is the best in the world.
natcap
i just found this channel.
i am in love. this is raw intellectualism. ive so missed this. your calmness, your honesty, your direct conversational ability.
its something missing from the modern day.
What scares me about "Woke" is that it's basically a Maoist-style cultural revolution with Western characteristics, underpinned by Marxist/Hegelian-style thinking along the intersectional lines of race, gender, queerness etc. If it does win and take over, creating the new "High", it will be hell on earth for most of the people living in it.
As a historical example of how bad this can be: people in Russia may have survived the "Crisis" period of 1900-1920 culminating in the Bolshevik revolution, but I doubt anyone's idea of a "High" was Lenin and Stalin's purges of the 1920s and 1930s. Sure, that may have created social conformity and relative peace, as per Strauss-Howe Generational Theory, but it accomplished it through the application of horrific oppression and butchery.
Progression is not always good.
I see you also watch James Lindsay
He does point out that though the western cycle is about a quarter cycle behind the eastern/Russian one, the historical perspective of the High turning doesn't always obviously coincide with the "schedule" or that the High turning is even necessarily a good experience for those in it.
I suppose It might be a period of calmness and well-being but I'm not sure it has to be both at the same time.
@andy...False. What you think about USSR is what the mainstream media (controlled by the ruling class) tells you. The Lenin/Stalin times were the best. Housing, good jobs, free education at all levels, public health care, paid vacation time, paid maternity leave, and paid sick days, strongest workers rights, and zero homelessness, and zero exploitation. Don't believe what you are told by those who serve the ruling class. Just do your own research, and be happy for those great times to come.
@@protanto2794 0 homelessness.
Fuckin lol, I know you tankies live in a delusional world where the soviet union was a utopia, but this takes the fuckin cake, lol.
@@protanto2794 I guess the 10 million that starved to death were living large then, weren't they?
The thing with wokeness is that it will barely produce a next generation. The children and young adults becoming ever more a small minority
(point of critique being that you seem to ignore the changing demographic composition)
it does not need to produce a new generation. It produces memetically, not genetically.
Think about it like a parasite. It kills its host population, but then infects the children of the right wing minority in the country (which creates an equilibrium between the two) and with that reproduces. Cities are always left wing, and cities are were the jobs are.
Obviously, that equilibrium may be at a much lower total population, which is why our countries are shrinking.
Additionally, it is infecting not only conservatives inside the nation, but also outside the nation, by bringing people in who come for economic opportunities. (replacement migration). These people are conservative in the first generation, but a portion of future generation will get infected and become "woke" themselves, especially since the ideology offers them positions of power based on their identity, which makes it a good move for these people to convert.
@@aldoushuxley5953 Exactly. But wokeness is not a success. It will wreck the people who are infected. Once they get older they will see how they were robbed of everything that matters in life.
Some of them will then become woke fanatics because they were robbed so why should other people not be. But knowing human nature I think most should turn on the ideas that ruined them.
I could be wrong though. Denial is a strong incentive. Many of my friends never had a family. Are unhappy because of it. But they will never admit it.
@@wuwei1846 I certainly hope so. Although I think that there are sufficient counter narratives in place to refocus the anger and suffering.
You are not single because of feminism, you are single because you live in patriarchy and men can not deal with working women. You may not have children, but ok, that is heroic, isn't it? You help against overpopulation and climate change, and after all, do we really want more white people?
Also, you have to remember, that suffering actually benefits this ideology, as it is framed as a permanent revolution against an imagined opressive system (which will always be there, there is no end point to the revolution).
People with a stable family life, investment in the society, a good job and so on are far less likely to rebel against the system. But this ideology frames itself as rebellious (even though it is of course in power) so people stay activists instead of settling down eventually.
@@wuwei1846 Most importantly, I think you have to understand WHY this movement in particular is what the west adopted.
It is, in my opinion, the natural consequence of liberalism and the values that our civilization holds (I think we are not the faustian civilization anymore, but something new. We put severe limits on ourselfs and are NOT willing to make any trade for power and rational knowledge. We could, for example, allow companies to pay people to be voluntarily be experimented upon. But we have strict moral standarts against that, even if there is no force involved.)
The faustian civilization ended in 1945.
You can complain about "internationalism" etc, but what narrative do you have to justify sticking up for your own people more than others?
How can you be against racism (treating people differently because of a factor they have no control over) but then have borders so that mexicans, who are born, through no fault of their own, a few kilometers too far south, have a far worse life?
To defeat "wokeism" we will need a new narrative for the west, which simply does not exist. All the old alternatives (nationalism for example) are burned because of our history.
@@aldoushuxley5953 You may very well be right. I always thought that it was simply a matter of reinstating the fundament of true reasoning. Lineair logic. Not the Hegel style dialectic with its contradictive irrational reasoning. "Live not in lies".
But here have always been narratives. We are far less rational then we pretend to be. Some of the principles of our behavior were anchored in Christianity. And Christianity is under such heavy attack so long now. It's almost gone.
For example. There is far more to female leadership then just having other genitals. Female leadership as I see it is working diametrically against our nature. Therefore is in itself a way to sterilize people. If men cant dominate women the sex drive is severely hampered. For both sexes.
I don't think wokeism can be defeated. Not as a cultural direction. It is a lethal disease for societies. It feeds back on itself. It will eventually collapse with the societies that it affects. The next generation will not be strong enough to turn the tide. They simply lack the numbers.
So basically this:
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
As a millenial, we must be the lamest heros ever.
Honestly it kinda feels like society is still unraveling to me. It feels very chaotic and as if a pretty severe crisis is around the corner. Maybe it’s just me idk. I’m a millennial born in 86 by the way.
I'm a 31yo Millennial and I think you're right, things are pretty bad right now but I believe we haven't hit the big crisis yet. The signs I'm seeing point to 2030 being the focal point where the real crisis will hit, but we are in a death-spiral right now for sure. I don't see a future on the horizon for me, I see hell on earth awaiting with no off ramp.....
It’s not just you, it’s several tens of thousands like you that believe the hysteria in media and are not realizing that your day to day is not filled with such on the brink chaos because it’s not there
@@blankken8071mmm the media is the one that keeps telling me everything is great lol. It’s mostly economic for me. The data I keep running into tells me the news is lying and we are about to get wrecked. I feel it day to day at the grocery or when I buy appliances etc…. That plus Russia/China tensions among some other things
@@blankken8071oh and also interacting with people in general is pretty crappy compared to in the past. Nobody seems to know how to do their jobs, no respect for others, drivers are trash, kids getting jumped and curb stomped, schools keep getting shot up. It’s aweful. Not saying it’s as bad as a 3rd world country but it’s bad compared to what I remember growing up and it just gets worse.
Early gen X here - it is still unraveling - I,m pushing 60 and it has been unraveling my whole adult life! As a kid 25 cents could buy a chocolate bar, a bag of chips, a popsickle and a can of coke. It was the same more or less for my father as a kid (30 years older than me). Things have been getting progressively worse since I became an adult - cost of living increasing in leaps and bounds, cuts to social services, cuts to health care, a never end increasing gap between the rich and the poor, govt taken over by banks and corporations, not caring about its own people. Stress and mental health issues have been constantly on the rise. More of our freedom is being taken away as time goes on. Truth and logic have disappeared. My father had said many times how Canada is becoming third world country. As a young adult in the 50's he could quit a job, walk across the street and get hired at a new job the same day. You could have an apt, a small second hand car just for flipping hamburgers for a living, Now you need a college diploma just to sweep a floor! lol News outlets actually felt a moral obligation to tell the truth, had reporters in the field and offered both sides to a story. You seem to be a very aware millennial by the way!
I'm not even halfway through but thank you for this thorough explanation of this topic. I have always referred to it as the "spiral of time" but only because I learned about it from an art history point of view (yet began seeing it in EVERYTHING as I grew older and more experienced in life). So delighted to see there is a deeper explanation of this theory.
It’s a fractal!! 😀
Fart history
I’m GenX. Me and my generation never had to fight society. We’ve had it good. It feels strange to have to protest and publicly stand up to government, institutions and woke idiots. Although I’m married and run my own business, which has been been difficult, society has been stable. Now society is not stable. However, I think more people like me are learning that we have to stand up and resist stupidity wherever we find it. It takes time though, like a big ship in the ocean slowly turning. I think things will get better. Most people are normal and level headed, we just have to learn to work together for truth and appropriateness. Hang in there friends.
Most people went along w the germ scam
So, basically, the left's "high" will be my _hell._
Lol
True !😂
This is spot on from my experience. There is so much I need to understand about the newer generations I have difficulty fathoming. Moods are extremely important, and we should take time to understand them as they define our behaviours. I see subsequent generations as more accepting but more adverse to criticism, as in cancel culture. We are subjected to social media, and these platforms have been weaponised against the populace to influence and nudge people to do their bidding. I am sure there will be an awakening as they get to terms and grips with these forms of propaganda. Wokism is not to be confused with awakening. Hopefully, they will be more mindful and open-minded and look to reinforce morals, integrity and self-independence.
Thank You for this. This is well put together and concise, with clear definitions, good editing and illustrations.
Excellent video! My biggest criticisms are
1) 9/11 did not kick off the 4th Turning. The 2008 crash kicked off the 4th Turning (notice how much more things changed after 2008 in ways they didn't in 2001).
2) Strauss and Howe aren't claiming people get all of their views during childhood. Imo, their model is actually a good illustration of how generation's values and specific beliefs can change throughout the course of their life. Nomads going from risk-taking youth too cautious, risk-managing midlifers
9/11 led to the 'The Patriot Act' and 'The War On Terror' which was directly in keeping with Strauss & Howe's "prophecy" for the 4th turning.
We also always hear that if you're not more liberal when you're young you have no soul, but if you don't become more conservative when you're older you have no brain. And there seems to be some merit to that idea as most people seem to move from being more idealistic when young, to being more pragmatic with age. (I think that the way we become more risk-averse as we get older has something to do with a particular enzyme that either increases/decreases with age. However it's not something we can probably measure with any degree of accuracy from a historic POV. I really need to go dig out that study now, lol.)
You are correct about 2008 being the start of the 4th Turning, I'm a 31yo Millennial who graduated high school in 2010 and there was definitely a major shift in society after the 2008 financial crash. I point it out regularly, 2008 is also around the time when social media sites became popular.
Somewhere in the early-mid 2010's is when this current cultural revolution began, and I noticed that 2020 was when society became downright bizarre like we entered into an alternate dimension.
That was my breaking point that pushed me to leave the left and become more socially conservative, part of that could also be me turning 30yo but it mostly has to do with me waking up and seeing that the left has been taken over by far left extremists.
I have zero hope for the future right now, I have a sense of impending doom because I know that we're about experience a severe crisis that is likely going to usher in a totalitarian dystopia (cough cough World Economic Forum Agenda 2030 cough cough).
@@bighomiestevethemetalheadI certainly don’t see much far left extremism?? Corbyn was rejected by the country, only far right extremism that I see (neo liberalism, anti immigration, explosive growth in billionaire wealth) what’s left wing extremist about that??
I especially appreciated understanding wokeism in terms of the Crisis era markers: championed, simplifying, stigma, urgent. Brilliant!
This video glosses over the fact that the artistic & creative movement of the boomers was guided by the silent generation. Bob Dylan, Alan Ginsberg, Warhol, The Beatles, Stones, Grateful Dead etc all of them were members of the silent generation.
That's literally what the theory predicts. The "artists" were born in the previous turning. It's why S-H time their generations different from the more typical definitions.
It doesn’t really. Look at the chart around the 22:00 mark. That’s what the chart points to
What an amazing video. This filled in all the gaps around the 4th turning that I didn't know. Thank you!
I'm a little late but this is a great video. I've been following the Strauss-Howe theory for a while but only now is it catching on with people. You did a great job at breaking the theory down, but there are some things I'd like to add.
You established two criteria to help split the four generations into pairs. The individualist/collectivist framework puts Prophets and Nomads together, Heroes and Artists together. The conflict-prone/conflict-averse puts Heroes and Prophets together, Artists and Nomads together.
But there's a third criterion that I also think is worth pointing out. Nomads and Heroes are outer-driven, meaning they are mostly distinguished for their actions. Artists and Prophets are inner-driven, meaning they're recognized for their musings and creative pursuits. Here's a breakdown:
Nomads are individualist and outer-driven, which gets them maligned for their "selfish" actions.
Heroes are collectivist and outer-driven, so they're celebrated for their "good" deeds.
Artists are collectivist and inner-driven, which causes them to blend in so much that history overlooks them.
Prophets are individualist and inner-driven, so they're celebrated for their "interesting" ideas.
One aspect of the Strauss-Howe theory that is often overlooked is the way dominant generations take credit for the previous recessive ones. I noticed when you discussed the 60s counterculture, you mentioned Bob Dylan. Dylan is a late Silent, not a Boomer, which would put him in the Artist category. The same goes for the Beatles, Janis Joplin, Hendrix, the Doors and so many other artists from that time. But Strauss and Howe have pointed out that oftentimes a Prophet generation will take credit for contributions Artists made. These days, many Boomers claim this music as their own.
Similarly, Heroes often take credit for the Nomads' problem-solving skills. This can be seen with the Revolutionary Generation sort of claiming George Washington, even though he was actually from the Liberty Generation. In the time we're in now, many tough decisions come down to Gen X leaders. When they make unpopular decisions, they're attacked for being out of touch, but when they make decisions that work out for everyone, Millenials are likely to take credit later.
You said that Nomads are tough but timid, which is why they adopt a lot of the woke ideals. I understand what you're trying to say and I agree with you, but instead of saying "timid," I would just say "recessive." Nomads focus on survival and will go along with things if it means they'll get by, but while Heroes and Prophets work together in a Crisis, Nomads are lone wolfs at the end of the day.
It's Artists who are timid. In an Awakening, Prophets and Heroes fight it out while the Artist sympathizes with both sides, which can be seen as weak-willed. The flip side of the coin is that Artists are natural negotiators who are able to find the good in anything.
As far as your projections for the next High go, I hope you're right about the dystopian aspect ending. One might say that while the fear-mongering will stop, the status quo and wokism will only be embraced more. The World Economic Forum's description of the "Great Reset" has the vibes of a fake utopian First Turning, where everyone's happy with owning nothing and being under surveillance all the time. I can only hope that things don't wind up like this.
It comes down to how we as a society handle the Crisis now so we establish the right kind of High. I don't think it's a matter of waiting things out; I know you didn't say this but the end of your video could be interpreted this way. Neil Howe often makes a point that the cycle is actually a spiral headed in a direction and we need to make sure it's the right direction. We can only do this by extracting the good from the 60s ideals and weeding out the bad. Of course, a lot of negotiating and compromise will be necessary, which should be the young Artist's specialty.
Excellent comment. You’ve captured my concern: The new consensus could be an end to neo-Marxist “wokism…” Or it could be a victory for these post-modernist tyrants. We cannot be passive if we have a significant preference for one sort of consensus over the other.
I'm a nomad/X and know a great many; we (at least the ones I know) universally reject the societal brain-cancer that is wokism.
Great insights.
It's true, we nomads are not timid. Not as a whole, anyway. We will simply be overshadowed by the next generation's stolen valor.
Conversely, some of us are actively looking to do just as our name implies: drop the charade and wander until we die. Perhaps the heroes will be able to stake claim to our accomplishments because we didn't care enough to keep them for ourselves.
Not all who wander are lost....wander/wonder....@@gcanaday1
Thank you so much for making this video and helping me to better grasp some of the concepts in generational theory. I was born in 1980, so I'm one of those "on the cusp" types. My other half was born in 1973 and has a more fiery rebellious streak than I (his being a true Gen X'er) and my brother was born in 1995 making him a millennial. I know anecdotes aren't what you were looking for with regards these theories, but I just found it amusing how well my other half, my brother and I all seem to fit directly into the generational categories you laid out in this video.
One thing that did occur to me during this presentation, was the fact that the Strauss-Howe book was rooted in the Anglo-American population. When you extrapolated the various points of data to illustrate how Russia is also in a similar perpetual cycle ( despite them not being synched up directly to the Anglo-American one) it made me think about whether this is an internationally human constant. I'd love to see more data being amassed for different nations around the world, in relation to each country's own generational cycle.
The reason for my wanting to know this, is largely because of how the rate of migration into Anglo-American countries is increasing exponentially, year upon year. We already see Birmingham and London reporting less that half of their populations being made up from indigenous, white people. This is a totally new phenomena (scale wise) and whilst the islands of Great Britain have been invaded, colonised, sacked - call it what you will - by various other countries over the years, the expectations of migrants today to not have to integrate is something very recent.
I don't bring this up to be disparaging to any other nationality (well...except for the French, because it's basically the law for people in the UK to regularly insult those cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys, and for them to do the same in return!) Nor is this me trying to denigrate other races, or people of differing religious beliefs. What fascinates me is that if these generational cycles are happening in all countries worldwide (whilst not necessarily in synch with the Anglo-American modelling) will an increase in the numbers of people from very different cultures mean that we will see some kind of anomalous bump in the data going forward, as people originating from countries whose generational cycles are (like Russia) not on the Anglo-American timetable, bring with them their own inherent position in the cycle from their home lands?
We have always had wars, plagues and artistic movements, just as we have been a conquered land multiple times. But previous invasions would then have seen the native population switch allegiances to various different royals and noblemen and for cultural homogeneity to be the required norm. The right of conquest wasn't just the acquisition of land, goods and sovereignty, it meant that all subjects would then be ruled by the winning party. Cultural differences were not the norm; assimilation was the norm. It would be fascinating to see the cycles other nations go through and see how they hold up alongside the Anglo-American one, especially as we import millions of migrants into Britain, North America and Australia; migrants who aren't just culturally different, but who are arriving en masse with their own sentiments pertaining to where they were sitting in their home nation's cycle.
I know that sounded unnecessarily long-winded, but I imagine it could be an added culture shock to an immigrant who isn't operating from the same exact spot on the cycle, and the native population who cannot relate to them. Could that be something that will affect the timing or our subsequent turnings? Will it make it harder for people of the same age chronologically, but being at a different stage in the generational cycle, make it even more likely for them to be able to understand one another and create greater feelings of division? The recent push to reject the notion of assimilation is already creating city-wide enclaves of individuals who appear to have no desire to mix with people of different races, nationalities and religions. Add in the effect of differing psychosocial factors and we may well end up feeling that we are unable to find any common ground with one another.
(I also wonder whether increased longevity, lower birth rates and the explosion of digital communications around the globe will see an alteration in the length of what would be considered a generational cycle. And it makes perfect sense that Al Gore was such a fan of Strauss & Howe's book, to the point where he was giving copies to those surrounding him. Globalists probably see mass migration as a way to homogenise not just culture, creed and colour, but to perhaps bring everyone the world over in line with one another, to ensure that we're all operating from within the same generational paradigm? Inquiring minds need to know!)
I like this comment.
@@abaker4692 I'm shocked anyone would read it all, lol. Touch typing is both a blessing and a curse because it means I can get my thoughts out quicker, but before I know it I've racked up several paragraphs. I need to work on my brevity, methinks.
@@bad-girlbex3791 I also like your comment
As an American it's odd but makes sense to me that people would both want to integrate and keep their own culture alive but we won't have that here, everyone gets pushed into the meat grinder and within 1, 2 generations max they're the same as everyone else lol
@@tomemery7890 Well thank you to both of you for taking the time to say so. 👍
At least there is a little bit of hope left. And I was genuinely considering dying since I feel that this woke nightmare will never end, and I reject with every fiber of my body the idea of living in their dystopian hell.
Same wokeism and lgbtq is truly the imbodiment of evil in this world.
That’s what they want. Stay strong.
I think about checking out all the damn time
@@thedoover6520 who doesn’t. Living is hard. Especially when faced with the tsunami of bu..sh.t. But energetically every breath you take as an honest person has impact. More than you know. Keep breathing.
Me too
This was very interesting and well-put-together video. Thank you for creating this and posting it. I enjoyed watching it very much and have put the books by Strauss and Howe on my reading list. Two and a half hours well spent!
I don't know if you are right (I hope you are) all I know is that I cannot tolerate a world like this much longer. This is no society at all, it's a collection of externalized forms of insanity
it's mass psychosis
Absolutely fascinating. It helps me put so much of what has happened and is happening, into perspective (and there's also room for hope). Thank you
I can appreciate the general observations of this theory but it assumes that the next generation will continuously progress, it has a progressive paradigm. As so many have pointed out already, what it implies is not an end to woke culture, but an adoption/normalization of the ideology by the following generation. Just like we've seen the adoption of radical ideals by countries in the past and the nightmarish conditions it created for subsequent generations, only this ideology has further implications because its phenomenon is global. It also isn't just about the virtues they claim to be fighting for either, there is far more attached to this type of ideology than fighting racism, and prejudices, helping the abused, the need for equality, etc. On its face, it looks like this, but it doesn't take much to see the real underlying ideology and motives behind it
Very interesting that you say that. I would like to hear more about this speculation. My feeling is that many will keep going on with these progressive assumptions but there will be a growing undercurrent of dissenting people who try to create their own societal structure but are simultaneously ignored and tightened down upon, but these leftist institutions will crumble from within and the conservative people who can work better together will come to power and be the drivers of our next “high” age. I don’t have an apocalyptic view like many do. However, I’m a young millennial woman and I am well served by being optimistic, so I can have the strength to have children, hahah. I have nothing to gain by being blackpilled, even if that’s more rational. (Btw, I like your username!)
Exactly. Notice that China’s Cultural Revolution never went away. It’s been in place for almost 100 years now, and shows no sign of letting up. Communism is completely normalized there, and no resistance exists.
My son, who is a brilliant student of so many things sent this to me and I love it. So well explained presenting variorying views together in a narrative that really enhances comprehension. I think I've learned a lot about myself and perhaps I've always felt somewhat out of step with my Boomer generation. I can see how the way I was raised shaped my brother and I to fit differently than the usual description of Boomers. I've shared it with several people I think will also enjoy it and "get it." Thank you.
Is the boomer believing she is out of step with her generation not a typical trait of boomers? I laud how you value your child's intelligence, but I am impelled to ask, is he an autodidact or an academic in the conventional sense of obtaining schooling merits?
This question is quite pertinent as my parents used to value my intellect and seemed to have high expectations of me, but the greater and more aberrant my areas of study and opinion, they talk to me as though I were mentally deficient.
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Lol, spoken like a true boomer
God I wish I could send this to my boomer parents lol
@@dodgechallenger2116How so? Please explain.
Been waiting for this
Great episode as always and keep up the good work
I’m heartened that there are lots of recent comments. I got this in my recommended. Good stuff!!
I found this thesis timely and incredibly compelling. Thank you. I may site this video in a future essay project.
What if someone's parents were pretty old? Like I was born in 1989, but my dad was born in 1921 and mom 1947. They'd seen a very different world. One of them was a WWII veteran, whose father had seen the height of the Belle Époque, and my mom lived through the entirety of the Cold War. I'd enter school, and kids would laugh at me when I said my dad worked with horses as a soldier...
You will be caught up in the wave
Yeah it's not good for a man that old to have children. There's nothing wrong with it but it is hard on the child a lot of times. When I was 13 I had a friend whose dad was 78 and the other kids picked on him mercilessly.
@@R-Lee- It's good having an experienced dad, though. 🙂 Mine recognized my sugar rush as just 'having a monkey hour' and knew to let me outside to run a bit after dinner.
It’s interesting to note that the trailing and emerging generations overlap with the current. As a Gen-Xer, I’ve noticed a significant effect of my own generation, the sunsetting boomers, the millennials becoming dominant and the disruptive incoming zoomers. I have thought a lot about this interplay in my workplace, but I suppose it’s true universally
I'm just waiting for Generation Z(yklon) because they will be the murderous radicals the world needs to cleanse itself.
Yeah as a 13th gener..my parents were the silents, my older sibs are boomers, and my kids are Millennials & Zeds ... the more we change..the more we stay the same
As a Gen-Xer are you aware how much your generation ass kissed the boomers? As a millennial your generation is my least favourite by a long shot. You're apart of the most spoiled generation in existence, congrats. In my workplace the Gen-Xers are all lazy, rude, mean, selfish, generally unhappy and incredibly out of touch. It's a generation that lacked creativity too (nothing original, just a bunch of copies and one upping) I feel like the cycle of kissing boomer ass and having them spoil you rotten has really messed your group up. I used to think it was the boomers that were the worst but I've come to realize it's Gen X - The spoiled pets/slaves to the almighty boomer masters.
"The fact that the sentence doesn't make sense unless you know the terms does not make it wrong" (@30:12) What a BRILLIANT line! I'm stealing this sentence in my future writings. 🤣🤣🤣
Brother you do a great job on these and have put me at peace with "times changing" over your collection of geopolitical survey
Excellent. Thanks for doing this. I was on the 4th Turning Forum back in the 90s, when a lot of similar ideas were brought forward by Strauss and Howe fan but never with this clarity or accessibility. Kudos. BTW Neil Howe is still out there writing and talking, and still brilliant.
It's been 10yrs since the parting of the great iron lady - if only we could bring her back.
Thank you for content, been waiting for your insight for few months.
I admire your optimism but I think the age of woke will end very badly.
Yep… the biggest thing since coffee or the printing press has them by the shorthairs. Their mobile “smart” phones.
I had to watch this two times to fully understand it but once i did, wow, what an excellent breakdown of a very compelling theory. Thank you
I finished reading the Fourth Turning only a couple of weeks ago.
This excellent presentation is a must see follow up.
I'm so glad you've uploaded a new video, I thought you'd be gone forever.
Just looked around the place here. You don't post that much, but when you do--whoooboy! Subscribed.
Everyone should embrace gratitude for things they have and understand Wallstreet is not a good measure of how our country is doing.
Extremely well put together video! Though bittersweet for me as a Gen X’er. Fortunately I don’t have a wife or kids and can afford to move to a cabin in the woods where I live out my days in peace and die a quiet death alone!
wow, this was randomly on my recommendations, and your video and explanation has changed my view on life entirely, THANK YOU
One of the best videos I’ve seen in ages. Great analysis with unimaginable depth.
Thank you for your excellent work. So glad I found you. You addressed the questions I have been basking over in my own Gen. x mind. Your parting warning to my generation has been what I have been thinking too. I especially appreciate how you teased out the complicitness of my generation in the woke mess. I couldn’t understand how a generation of individuals defined by pragmatism and scrappiness could fall for that stuff, but you teased it out very well. I have noticed my generation seems split on the approach to wokeness: some of my contemporaries maintain a punk spirit and others are so complicit. Thanks.
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Punk was conformity and clique.
The theory is indeed impressively accurate if you look at history. However, there are aspects that make me doubt its accuracy for the future. Looking at the time of the civil war, Strauss and Howe themselves stated that the crisis came too early, making the progressive generation artists instead of heroes. Similarly the generational cycle seems to be disrupted for the milleninals. Instead of too early, the crisis this time seems to come too late, since technological progress and state intervention into the economy by welfare measures and money-printing have dalayed the advent of the crisis. Also, due to the birth gap the millenial generation is simply too small to make up a decisive part of society, while due to medical progress the boomer generation as last demographically large generation will be around and dominant much longer than any generation before. In addition, also due to medical progress, many millenials have been born to and raised by older parents of different generations compared to previous generations. This makes the millenials in my opionion a far too inhomogeneous and incoherent generation to be a hero generation. All this is without precedent and might disrupt the whole generational cycle. It will be interesting to see, how things unfold.
You say that “technological progress and state intervention into the economy by welfare measures and money-printing have dalayed the advent of the crisis“.
Well, if factors like these can DELAY “the advent of the crisis”, who’s to say they can’t delay the crisis forever-that is, PREVENT it?
Or at least ameliorate it into a “soft landing”?
We skipping this version of Hero. It all ends soon. Gen X agrees it’s all f’d
@@user-ts7ns7bt2v Agreed I don't see any "heroes" this time around.
Quality content😮 much approciated. Rooting to see this channel get that first 10K hump soon!
Best UA-cam channel I’ve found in a while. Excellent, so excellent.
1. This Fourth Turning could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing. If mankind ever extinguishes itself, this will probably happen when its dominant civilization triggers a Fourth Turning that ends horribly. For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human malevolence, technological perfection, and bad luck.
2. The Fourth Turning could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rhythm - which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance - could come to an abrupt terminus. The seventh modern saeculum would be the last. This too could come from total war, terrible but not final. There could be a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. Such a dire result would probably happen only when a dominant nation (like today’s America) lets a Fourth Turning ekpyrosis engulf the planet. But this outcome is well within the reach of foreseeable technology and malevolence.
3. The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify. The nation has endured for three saecula; Rome lasted twelve, the Soviet Union only one. Fourth Turnings are critical thresholds for national survival. Each of the last three American Crises produced moments of extreme danger: In the Revolution, the very birth of the republic hung by a thread in more than one battle. In the Civil War, the union barely survived a four-year slaughter that in its own time was regarded as the most lethal war in history. In World War II, the nation destroyed an enemy of democracy that for a time was winning; had the enemy won, America might have itself been destroyed. In all likelihood, the next Crisis will present the nation with a threat and a consequence on a similar scale.
4. Or the Fourth Turning could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.
The greatest part of optimists is often their biggest weakness. By assuming that history is linear and the arc of history bends towards justice they often overlook that history is not linear because we forget how long and how horrible times in history have lasted. Optimism is vulnerable to carelessness and neglect especially in a time where care and focus are the most required. People assume the good guys always win because why wouldn't they. That isn't always the case and it never has been. Nero burned down Rome. If you were the Mayans or the Native Americans, life was pretty normal or at least predictable everyday until one day it wasn't and after that day you and your entire network of people were never the same again either from conquest or disease. Looking forward to the inevitable High while not being concerned with what's coming over the immediate horizon is a cope when coping is not what people should be focusing on right now.
Thanks for writing this. Read all of it, very insightful.
Well said
Normalcy bias and apathetic optimism is an evolutionary benefit for humans, especially for the earlier hunter/gatherers. However, it's also the reason that humans are incapable of preventing themselves from repeating the same mistakes over and over again. I think there's a 50-60% chance of a collapse of the USA within the next few years. People think it could never happen, but that is what we are headed towards unless something changes. It's still preventable, but the American people simply don't see the very clear danger signs because of normalcy bias and apathetic optimism.
Optimists have better mental health and better lives though. I hate being one of the few who see the world as it really is.
I think we are looking at more of a speed wobble. I am increasingly concerned that the internet age on the cusp of a.i. Being a kind of bridge generation will be leveraged by primarily the current nomads in power against the heros to maintain power as artificial life preservation techniques are becoming a reality.
If I’m right this will be the last crisis with a hero generation delayed by extended childhood (video games and smartphones) and a insatiable gen x , we might be entering something we haven’t even seen before.
I give it a 10 year delay
I think you can say the same for china as they seem to be hand in hand with russia
Nice to see you're back. Hope you're alright.
The criticisms of this work is part of the reason why we need to test for IQ in school. A lot of people have trouble reading and retaining information. A theory like the forth turning requires the reader to zoom out, view society from space. It is grand generalizations and does hold up for the last 600 or so years. What I won't live to see is how the mass immigration from the 3rd world will impact how the theory holds up as it is broadly based as Anglo European culture.
All cycles you described is most difficult to measure using the oscilloscope behind you.
Great work and analysis. Easily relatable.
"This was a time of change (60's), brought to you by the CIA.
the young are woke. They will create a woke government. It's just the beginning.
They already do. I work in state government and Millennials hold many key positions. As soon as the Gen Xers above them retire, it’s all over. Maybe sooner.
It's only wishful thinking this age of bliss will occur ten years from now. I'm gen Z, but I was raised around boomers and Gen Xers, and I refuse to be cast aside with the rest of my abhorrent generation that only believes in disrespect and destruction. Wokeism destroys everything in touches, as much as I wish there was a better term for it. These kids, the people of my generation, rarely even have any dreams for the future at all. They've given up. All the activists of my generation and those from the millennial era are merely puppets for the current agenda that fits the bill of what those in power (IE World Economic Forum) want. They want to see progression for the sake of progression and nothing else.
If this is the case however and we see a turn for the better, I'd welcome it with open arms. My children, if I have any, will not be raised to be Marxist fools like so much of my generation has been poisoned to be. And because this theory works only if the natural cycle is not disrupted with another society intertwining, that's why I say it's wishful thinking. Our borders are being opened and the floodgates are being released so the powers that be can only keep abusing this cycle until there is nothing left of humanity.
Before knowing about this theories, I had already come to the same conclusion, the 20 year cycle can even be seen even in the fashion and the music.
I'm struggling to perceive the millennial generation as a "hero" generation and I certainly don't consider myself a "nomad". I suppose there are exceptions to the rule, but heroes don't stay at home into their 30s, nor do they take to social media, though potentially nothing more than a vocal minority, and espouse objectively false information to court deconstruction in an attempt to obliterate the perception of reality in the service of an ideology, to lazily earn false virtue, and to corrupt the minds of the next generation. Greta Thunberg, the example used, is not a hero, she is a weapon of globalists pushing a commercial agenda. She lacks any and all authenticity and is a demagogue groomed by very insidious handlers.
when he got to the bit about Millennials being our cycle's "heroes" I was like "God help us..."
You missed the part where he talks about how these generational descriptions do not apply to individuals. A society is not qualitatively the same thing as a large number of individuals. He is discussing qualities of generations, not describing individuals in terms of generations.
The main idea behind complex systems is that the ensemble behaves in ways not predicted by its components. The interactions matter more than the nature of the units. Studying individual ants will almost never give us a clear indication of how the ant colony operates. For that, one needs to understand an ant colony as an ant colony, no less, no more, not a collection of ants. This is called an “emergent” property of the whole, by which parts and whole differ because what matters are the interactions between such parts. And interactions can obey very simple rules.
I couldn;t agree more! As a early gen Xer I always saw myself as a profit if anything. Never expected the Boomers to listen to my deconstructing the western propaganda but I,m shocked at the Millennials who don;t and even more shocked at the Gen Z ers to go along with the woke crap thinking that it is going to create freedom and fairness in our society!
@@no_talking "millennials" as a system is why people dislike millennials though. Wokeness is very rare in individuals you meet in real life, but becomes manifest in things like politics and social media where the group supersedes the individual.
The problem is the colony, not the ants.
11 minutes in. Already enjoying the heck out of this. You have a gift for laying out a narrative!
In short, that popular saying is 100% correct: "Hard times creates strong people, strong people creates good times, good times creates weak people and weak people creates hard times".
And WOKE culture is a product of too long period of good times and "ruling of weak people".
"By Strauss and Howe's estimate, Millennials are slated to be a hero generation..."
"That's ridiculous! Have you SEEN Millennials?!"
"...Or they will be lost and essentially a skipped generation"
"Oh, now that makes sense."
Brought a smile to my face to see another lecture! Cheers from Canada
Please excuse me if this sounds daft but what if governments uses this info to attempt to steer societies into another turning for whatever reason? Can they socialy engineer a different turning?
They already are. If you're not familiar, you should look into the WEF and Klaus schwab, and his little minion Yuval Harare. Frightening
Excellent work. My goodness you did a fantastic job of giving a very in depth explanation. Thank you.
one of the most useful and helpful videos ive ever seen. Thank you.
This analysis is flawed in that it fails to consider the cultural dynamics that the generation of the time embraces. The cultural dynamics of today's time of crisis are diametrically opposed to those at play during the 1930s. Our nation has never been so fundamentally divided over the very legitimacy of our country's existence. Even during our Civil War both sides shared the same basic cultural beliefs. Only differing in how non-whites should be treated. Todays Americans are not going to meet our crisis period with the same unanimity of purpose as did the 30s generations. Indeed our crisis is an internal, culturally centered one not a crisis imposed upon us from external factors.
Oh wow this was worth its weight in gold! Definitely worth the 2-/12 hours.
Completely right on
Spot on ....ecclectic and thorough overview of facts . 13th generation here.....
This is such a powerful video to understand the cyclical nature of each generation as it relates to another. Especially the chart @22:12. BRILLIANT Video!
I often refer them to seasons as spring is when new life begins and then summer it's hot and energetic and then comes the fall when things start to die and fall down and then winter when things get cold and die. I was born i 64 and mostly identified as the last of the baby boomer generation although I guess since I'm a baby for those first two years the influence of the culture wouldn't have an effect until I was around 4-5. The summer between 64 - 84 were good times and now that we are in the winter of all winters in 2023 I'm done . Like the song Seasons In The Sun says "We had joy we had fun we had seasons in the sun but all the wine and the song like the seasons are all gone."
That’s a very wise and simple way to put it, as seasons! Beautiful
Lots of culture's have no change from generation to generation. The historical examples are Cherry picked, think about how many generations of people in different cultures have existed, and all they could find is a handful of examples of it.
Read the title, this theory is based on Anglo-American society.
Because the enemy hates us only; you're just superfluous to them.
This is one of the best vids I have ever watched on youtube, thanks!
One of the most interesting and objective views on the times we are living! As a Gen Xer, I do feel totally out of tune with the times, but at least I know why and I guess I;ll stop trying to make sense of it. Great material, thank you !
I agree to a point that it's plausible to a degree, but the added variable of technology might change the dynamic, and it's hard to say what effect that will have on this cycle theory. This woke ideology and the massive gaslighting that the government and media monopoly's influence has had on society is very troubling and people are more confused and distrusting than ever before. Hopefully people will come to their senses gather and join together in independent thought and respectful discourse to overcome the thought control and tyranny that is currently destroying our country and the world
Very interesting video. I am not sure there will be any final acceptance of wokism by my cohort. I hope that the "Crisis" will resolve itself with the utter rejection of it If not, I suspect that most Gen Xers, like myself, will really become the nomads we've always been accused of being.
This is blowing my mind. We had this book in my house when I was a kid, but I never really looked at it. Really interesting stuff! - 1983 hero
This is really interesting. Thanks for putting it out there.
Mags Thatcher's "There Is No Such Thing As Society" is the ultimate nihilism
Do you ever watch Morgoth’s Review? I’m a big fan of his work and found your channel recently, becoming quite a viewer of yours also. You two definitely share some common ground and interests. Keep up the good work
This is a much more hopeful message than I’ve heard before. I hope you’re right. Thank you
I LOVE this channel holy smokes....
I think most people's criticism of this theory is because they are taking it too personally. For example, yes millennials aren't succeeding as well financially BUT that is not because they lack financial skill as a group or individually. It is because of society as set up by previous generations and moods. It's just a cause and effect type of thing. A pendulum swing.
A deeper understanding of strauss and Howe will help put these generational strifes to bed as well. Each generation plays an interconnected role. It has helped me shelf my grudge against spoiled baby boomers, for one. I see it was necessary for progress. Progress bigger than any societal idea, this is progress on the level of the universal progression. I just hope we are spiraling up over the ages and not down. I am an optimist.
This was a very interesting presentation of Strauss and Howe’s generational theories.
I believe everything is cyclical. Had a great childhood in the 70s and coming of age in the 89s so I can’t be too bummed about being abandoned in old age.
My advisor at the U.S. Naval War College said this theory is based on the fact that groups of people can be seen to forget the wisdom of their grandparents. That’s the best executive summary of this I’ve yet heard.
Really appreciate your content. Quite interesting. Love from Texas!
Great video! I like how you se up the shot, color and contrast. Kind of looks like a Kodak Lumetri preset.