This type of detailed ML player development analysis makes me want to avoid playing with a top team like MUFC, Chelsea or Barca and instead pick a weak one and create my own superstars of the beautiful game. This is seriously helpful and exciting, my guy.
The problem with this is its not consistent, whenever there’s update, player rating update especially, their potential change, i always signed Martinelli too, before i can get him up to 90-95, and now the recent update his max is 86, even i make him starting eleven since i bought him when he’s 17. Another players that I found to have a really good potential then stupid Konami change it every single update was, Brandt, Hlozek, Ozan Kabak, and Romagnoli. Everytime there are big updates i will play new ML and found out that their potential changes every time. Stupid Konami.
Great video! Thanks for your analysis. Don't know if you tried already, but do you know if there is any relevant differences if you change the training settings when the player isn't progressing anymore? Like by 27 or 28 yo ? Thanks!
Yes I do 😊, players will always get some benefit from training, as they get older the amount of benefit becomes less and stat decline begins, you will want to make sure that you change their training to target the stats that you need the most in your players to stop rapid decline, so if a player is very athletic, you may want to target speed etc. to help them keep playing at a good level through >28 where if you leave their training on general /role based you would see rapid decline in specific stats. Hope this helps, let me know.
out of the 3 I have only worked with Bellingham before, he was good, I was able to get him around 88, I will look at my saves to see what the others turned out as.
Do you know is there penalty to progress of player when choosing a training setting which doesn't suit his position? For example, "Roaming Flank", but then play the player as Fullback, so he never uses this role when on field? Or "Target Man" and play him as SS?
Enjoyed this video. Question, are you able to change a player's registered position? For example, a player who can play as a CF and LWF but is registered as a LWF, If i play him as a CF, and change his training to something like goal poacher, would his registered position change from LWF to CF?
Awesome video. Moved from Fifa along time ago to PES but I always get confused on what training to put players on and if its okay to change their playing styles for example bought Rui Puig and hes played every match for me since purchasing him but his overall has rarely gone up and has remained 77 ovr. I dont know if its something ive done wrong or what..could be that I never sim matches. I also wish that the game rated defenders better after a match as they will keep clean sheets but remain with 6.0 match rating unless they score.
Agreed about those after match ratings, my defenders or goalkeeper almost always got 5.0 ratings even when achieving clean sheet. Sorry for my super bad english
@@meikahariani5050 no problem, its definitely an issue, you only seem to get +7 ratings if you score goals, I will say that from what I have seen defenders can still get very good as long as the are starters and get playing time though, I still need to do a vid on best you def, maybe that will help also.
@@thefigonpes8 thanks a lot good sir. All of your vids help a lot especially for me, there's still a lot of things that i dont quite understand about master league (transfers, tactics, ratings, and player growths) Hope your channel grows faster
@@thefigonpes8 have you tried this yet? Does it really work? And how is it possible when you choose slower game speed, then team roles are gained faster?
It would be nice to see you testing how development system works for player with low potential. For example, as a Man United fan I always plays for MU in Master League and I can’t stand the fact that I can’t develop players such Scott McTominay and Daniel James. These are young players (24 and 22 years old) and their overall doesn’t grow at all
By the way, I wanna thank you for all the work and analysis you do. As a huge fan of PES and Master League (especially the part where I have to build the team around the players I already have, really like to develop players) I really appreciate
its really unfortunate man, heres the issue from the research I have done. The most growth a player can get is 4 points overall a year, this seems to slow down after the player reaches 22, so lets assume you get 2 pts overall growth on avg after that. Based on this im assuming your capping out growth with McTominay at between 83-85 before growth stops at 25-26 yrs old, and with James your capping out at between 81-84 before growth stops at 25-26 yrs old. The issue isnt the growth or the player potential. Unfortunately the issue is the amount of time you have left to get significant growth at 23-24 years old they only have a max of 2 years to grow (between 4-6 total additional overall stat points). If you were to get either of these player when they are 16 you will be able to get both close to 88 rated by 25 with the same exact training. I hope this helps.
@@thefigonpes8 yeah mate, I understand what you’re talking about. But the main problem that Scott McTominay or Daniel James don’t develop at all! :) When I start the first season at Master League as a Man Utd coach, McTominay’s rating 80. And it’s still 80 after three or five seasons anyway thanks for your reply 🤟🏻
@@thefigonpes8 I tried to use McTominay in starting eleven for three seasons, his overall was always the same As for James, tried to use him in different ways, mostly as a bench player. But I also simulated about two seasons playing him in starting eleven, his overall improved up to 80 (23-24 years old) and never grew higher Thank you man 🙌🏻 I’ve been testing player development since PES 2020 but not that deep and detailed as you do, so really appreciate
Thank you so much for the content! Its really interesting to see that a player can lose a star depending on the playing style. Wow. I did not know that. Do you know if PES also have something like dynamic potential system in FIFA? The players you tested already had a high potential to begin with but what if we did the same with players that do not have high potential?
based on what I have seen there is a small amount of dynamic potential but its only a couple points, each player has a maximum potential when they are generated, they may not hit the max however but it gives you a higher chance of getting better results in player development. If a player has low potential I'm not sure if there is much you can do to push them, I will check this though 👍
i'm playing 1 player in ML, i created my self player CMF 1m63, 60kg with 75 stats at 16 , after 1,5 ss become 81 now. i build my play style 1 touch pass and long shoot ( i have verry low dribling, verry low jump, low physic, so basicly verry weak and easy to lost the ball if i got hit, many time my character just rolling on the ground after 1 sholder hit so i alway pass the ball right after i got it ) i got alot of GOAL outside the box coz every attack i just pass to CF then wait outside the box to get a chance. after 1/2 season at 2nd league the game give me nick name "ASIAN CANON" i mean it's so accurate coz that excactly how i play the game LOL !
This type of detailed ML player development analysis makes me want to avoid playing with a top team like MUFC, Chelsea or Barca and instead pick a weak one and create my own superstars of the beautiful game. This is seriously helpful and exciting, my guy.
This page is a breath of fresh air.
Thanks so much 🙏
Let me know if you like this format, I have a couple other players in mind that I think would be interesting for similar analysis
I don't know what you are up to now, but you really need to come back for the culture!!!
I just hope you are doing well.
Excellent video again did not know the Inspire role was dynamic , always thought it was static👍👍👍👍💯
Thanks man, yea its crazy that the inspire can change so much
This is great content! I have been binge watching your channel and is awesome. I would love to see more content on tactics
Thanks a lot, I'm working on the budget midfielders then I will do some tactic overviews 👍
Another awesome ML video. Bought the all 3 and started a new ML because of it. Awesome channel 🙏👍
dude thanks so much glad you like
@@thefigonpes8 don't know if it fits your system but Talles Magno and P. De la Vega are two player you should definately check out.
Dude, absolutely FANTASTIC job! Definitely liked & subbed 👏🏾
The problem with this is its not consistent, whenever there’s update, player rating update especially, their potential change, i always signed Martinelli too, before i can get him up to 90-95, and now the recent update his max is 86, even i make him starting eleven since i bought him when he’s 17. Another players that I found to have a really good potential then stupid Konami change it every single update was, Brandt, Hlozek, Ozan Kabak, and Romagnoli. Everytime there are big updates i will play new ML and found out that their potential changes every time. Stupid Konami.
Great video! Thanks for your analysis. Don't know if you tried already, but do you know if there is any relevant differences if you change the training settings when the player isn't progressing anymore? Like by 27 or 28 yo ? Thanks!
Yes I do 😊, players will always get some benefit from training, as they get older the amount of benefit becomes less and stat decline begins, you will want to make sure that you change their training to target the stats that you need the most in your players to stop rapid decline, so if a player is very athletic, you may want to target speed etc. to help them keep playing at a good level through >28 where if you leave their training on general /role based you would see rapid decline in specific stats. Hope this helps, let me know.
This is amazing to know. Thank you man!
No problem really pleased its helping 👍
Sick video bro, any chance of trying to progress Amad Diallo, Wesley fofana, and Bellingham?
out of the 3 I have only worked with Bellingham before, he was good, I was able to get him around 88, I will look at my saves to see what the others turned out as.
Do you know is there penalty to progress of player when choosing a training setting which doesn't suit his position?
For example, "Roaming Flank", but then play the player as Fullback, so he never uses this role when on field?
Or "Target Man" and play him as SS?
Enjoyed this video. Question, are you able to change a player's registered position? For example, a player who can play as a CF and LWF but is registered as a LWF, If i play him as a CF, and change his training to something like goal poacher, would his registered position change from LWF to CF?
Yes you can, you have to play that player in the new position for a series of games, it will usually take at least 1 season if not more 👍
@@thefigonpes8 Thanks for the reply, much appreciated!
who needs cheats codes when we have a friend like you
lol thanks 👍
Awesome video. Moved from Fifa along time ago to PES but I always get confused on what training to put players on and if its okay to change their playing styles for example bought Rui Puig and hes played every match for me since purchasing him but his overall has rarely gone up and has remained 77 ovr. I dont know if its something ive done wrong or what..could be that I never sim matches. I also wish that the game rated defenders better after a match as they will keep clean sheets but remain with 6.0 match rating unless they score.
Agreed about those after match ratings, my defenders or goalkeeper almost always got 5.0 ratings even when achieving clean sheet.
Sorry for my super bad english
Is it this player ?
www.pesmaster.com/riqui-puig/pes-2021/player/121985/
@@meikahariani5050 no problem, its definitely an issue, you only seem to get +7 ratings if you score goals, I will say that from what I have seen defenders can still get very good as long as the are starters and get playing time though, I still need to do a vid on best you def, maybe that will help also.
@@thefigonpes8 thanks a lot good sir. All of your vids help a lot especially for me, there's still a lot of things that i dont quite understand about master league (transfers, tactics, ratings, and player growths)
Hope your channel grows faster
@@meikahariani5050 Thanks much appreciated!
Put the game speed at -1 or -2 and players will gain team roles much faster
For game speed is this in game like coach mode? This is really interesting thanks
@@thefigonpes8 have you tried this yet? Does it really work?
And how is it possible when you choose slower game speed, then team roles are gained faster?
@@34fcrv34 I have not tried this, I have kept my game unmodified so I can give repeatable results to everyone, sorry man
It would be nice to see you testing how development system works for player with low potential. For example, as a Man United fan I always plays for MU in Master League and I can’t stand the fact that I can’t develop players such Scott McTominay and Daniel James. These are young players (24 and 22 years old) and their overall doesn’t grow at all
By the way, I wanna thank you for all the work and analysis you do. As a huge fan of PES and Master League (especially the part where I have to build the team around the players I already have, really like to develop players) I really appreciate
its really unfortunate man, heres the issue from the research I have done. The most growth a player can get is 4 points overall a year, this seems to slow down after the player reaches 22, so lets assume you get 2 pts overall growth on avg after that. Based on this im assuming your capping out growth with McTominay at between 83-85 before growth stops at 25-26 yrs old, and with James your capping out at between 81-84 before growth stops at 25-26 yrs old. The issue isnt the growth or the player potential. Unfortunately the issue is the amount of time you have left to get significant growth at 23-24 years old they only have a max of 2 years to grow (between 4-6 total additional overall stat points). If you were to get either of these player when they are 16 you will be able to get both close to 88 rated by 25 with the same exact training. I hope this helps.
@@thefigonpes8 yeah mate, I understand what you’re talking about. But the main problem that Scott McTominay or Daniel James don’t develop at all! :)
When I start the first season at Master League as a Man Utd coach, McTominay’s rating 80. And it’s still 80 after three or five seasons
anyway thanks for your reply 🤟🏻
@@34fcrv34 Im going to do a test on this this weekend to see man, do they start in the first 11 or on the bench for you in the first season?
@@thefigonpes8 I tried to use McTominay in starting eleven for three seasons, his overall was always the same
As for James, tried to use him in different ways, mostly as a bench player. But I also simulated about two seasons playing him in starting eleven, his overall improved up to 80 (23-24 years old) and never grew higher
Thank you man 🙌🏻
I’ve been testing player development since PES 2020 but not that deep and detailed as you do, so really appreciate
Choice Trainming setting default or Focused ? Better? Tks bro
Thank you so much for the content! Its really interesting to see that a player can lose a star depending on the playing style. Wow. I did not know that. Do you know if PES also have something like dynamic potential system in FIFA? The players you tested already had a high potential to begin with but what if we did the same with players that do not have high potential?
Happy to be your 100th Subscribers mate! Keep it up! You will become huge as I expect next year's PES to be the best of all 👍
based on what I have seen there is a small amount of dynamic potential but its only a couple points, each player has a maximum potential when they are generated, they may not hit the max however but it gives you a higher chance of getting better results in player development. If a player has low potential I'm not sure if there is much you can do to push them, I will check this though 👍
@@younghwanchoi2262 welcome from your fellow subscribers👍💯🇯🇲
@@thefigonpes8 “when they are generated” do you mean when they retire and after that reborn as young players?
@@34fcrv34 yes
Brilliant video
thanks 👍
How to win best player award in ML?
If I'm a created player, how do I win that award?
Can we increase messi or ronaldo's progressions ?
Good content :))
How do you obtain the inspire points??
Thanks You so mucho for this
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Good job mate
i'm playing 1 player in ML, i created my self player CMF 1m63, 60kg with 75 stats at 16 , after 1,5 ss become 81 now. i build my play style 1 touch pass and long shoot ( i have verry low dribling, verry low jump, low physic, so basicly verry weak and easy to lost the ball if i got hit, many time my character just rolling on the ground after 1 sholder hit so i alway pass the ball right after i got it ) i got alot of GOAL outside the box coz every attack i just pass to CF then wait outside the box to get a chance. after 1/2 season at 2nd league the game give me nick name "ASIAN CANON" i mean it's so accurate coz that excactly how i play the game LOL !
How did they grow
Just took playing time and multiple seasons