Die ME-262 war schon ein geiles Flugzeug. Ich hab einige als Modelle hier stehen. Eine davon ist recht groß von FM. Von der Firma habe ich auch eine FW-190 und eine Bf-109.
BnZ in it's truest form. I think I would have approached from a diagonal instead of head on. I hear the gunners are deadly (like they used to be in Air Warrior).
What happened to the allied fighter escorts? Too early in the video for them to bug out due to fuel. It would have been a disaster if an entire squadron of 262's engaged the Liberators. And why go after a wounded Lib? Especially after he dropped his bombs?
I've read the books by Stephen.E.Ambrose about the second world war as well as countless other books by different authors and the one thing that I can never get my head around is this, if we had such numbers in bombers, light and heavy, how come so little damage was done too the so called atlantic wall, I mean the young men sent up them beaches just never stood a chance.
Because the Atlantic Wall was not a wall like the West Wall, it was loosely associated forts and bunkers, and not even that at some places. The fortifications were too small for the inaccurate spread of formation bombers. Rather, prior to the invasion, the fortifications were bombarded by naval guns, to pieces, except where Omaha beach is concerned, where inaccurate fires resulted in mostly intact forts upon landing. So, the reasons are; the target wasnt a viable target, too small, bombers too inaccurate, other tools better suited to the job
There are a ton, you just have to pay attention. 15:33 for example. At 33:35 i nearly got caught, just check the contrails around me, every one is a fighter.
Actually, If Fatman and little boy hadn't worked, the US had no other bomb in storage, it would have taken at least months to make more bombs. Besides, if the US had tried to drop a A bomb over germany they would n't have taken any risk and would have hidden the bomber amongst thousand others imho with extremely heavy fighter support.
Actually, if there ever had been an attempt to use the A-Bomb on Germany that would mean that something else had to have gone horribly wrong for the Allies so that Germany is still able to effectively defend itself. In any case, the bomb carrying B-29's would in all likelyhood fly much higher over Germany than over Japan. The intense high altitude winds over Japan forced the USAAF to fly at lower altitudes in order to reach a reasonable bombing accuracy... this wouldn't be a problem over Germany. And if using the bomb on Germany was seen as necessary, that would mean the Luftwaffe and Heer would still have been effective fighting forces instead of shadows of their former selves... this would definitely mean that the A-Bomb carrier would fly in a formation of regular B-29's, at high altitude. Anyway... long story short, my point is that the Luftwaffe would have still been able to defend Germany, which means the war would have gone on longer than it did in real life... so it's very likely that planes which were only available in limited numbers in real life would have been much more prevalent in this assumed scenario. The other point is that early jet engines suffered really badly at high altitudes and had real problems developing good thrust there, so it would be much more likely that the fighters intercepting said B-29's would be Ta 152 H high altitude interceptors, not Me 262's. *Above 9km, the Ta 152 H-1(thanks to it's GM-1 nitrous oxide injection) is actually faster than the Me 262!* ^^
Germany's real mistake was not ever building a four engine bomber..that would have given them the distance to bomb western European countries into submission
The head-on tactics - not quite realistic with Me-262. AFAIK in the real world the way was to approach from behind, dive under and open fire while climbing from below. But this is of course (just) a game - so what works in the game must be quite OK - I guess ;)
I was going to say that, closing speed would be way too fast to get a hit from head on. The pilot gets a hit every time in this game, while in real life the pilots sometimes would miss completely even when coming from behind because the firing rate of a 30mm canon, even four of them, is too slow.
@@eugenespicer3272 The problem with the MK 108 wasn't it's rate of fire but it's low muzzle velocity. This meant that the Jadgflieger had to get much closer to their target to shoot it down. Some pilots preferred the 20mm Kannone as it had a much higher muzzle velocity hence higher range.
... or Tempests... or Thunderbolts... or Spitfires... Also they usually would have attacked when the 262's slowed down for their long landing approach, not on touchdown or when they are already within the airfields short and medium range AA cover. Of course, that's assuming that the "Platzschutzstaffel"(Airfield protection squadron) is either sleeping or there is no such unit at this particular airfield. Which doesn't seem to be the case, as we clearly see Fw 190 D-9's taking off right before the Me 262's do.
Blonde Bombshell,@ 16:54 Vivacious Virgin,@26:14 My Gal Sal ,@ 29:15 Hard Target @ 31:00 High Cover,@ 33:24 (nice) And there was Leading Lady at the beginning, but she was brown haired. At first I thought that they were all the same person , but now as memory kicks in I realize that they are historically accurate reproductions of WW II bomber nose art. Am I not correct?
Fishyyy, we talked once about a particular nose art, (Jade) and I ask if you knew her, and you said that you had used people that you knew for nose art, and you said that you had and I would have to look hard to ever find one, guess I'm still looking. Stay Fishyyy and keep them coming.
I think it does not matter as long as you fly jet fighter and attack from correct angles. But if attack (for whatever reason) from six, B-24 gunners are more deadly, IMHO.
Yes, I see your point. But in my opinion, any difference in structural strength between bomber types in IL2 1946 matters only if an attacker has armament weaker than 2(4) x 30 mm. Subject his attack is done right, of course.
@@niko7626 If you believe war is necessary, bombing civilians is just part of the doctrine. Your idea that some were courageous and others not is wrong on two counts. The truly courageous are the anti-war crowd running against the tide, and your crazy if you think any of the major combatants overlooked destroying lots of civilians.
@@reecetaylor2626 piss off and admit when your country did something wrong, world leaders themselves said that civilians were targeted to reduce their resolve to fight and it didn’t even work. The Wehrmacht fought till the bitter end
You got to state some documentation on the counter acting propellers. I can't find any. It would be hard for me to access us sources, since i'm from germany.
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This was take 20 or so, B-24 gunners are cruel :D
Fishyyy MERICA FUCK YEAH XD
Yeah .. plus the AIs in IL2 1946 (moded of not ) are terminator snipers :)
😮
Merica dont fuck around bro #50calsop
Fishyyy atrocious piloting. You spend most of your time lost
Good video and perfect example of Me 262 interception operations.
"Number 1 engine is on fure!"
Pilot: drops the engine...
No engine, no engine fire.
Suddenly, the Thunderbolts are obsolete, and the Liberators --- meat.
*Laughs in 50 cals being in service for over a century*
@@thefunnyguyfromtheburgerki3334 not the same 50 cal. Just like the 20's used now are different
I don't know about anyone else, but I think its rally cool that you can literally shot an ENGINE of a bomber in this.
About 8 minutes in, the bombers keep dipping very slightly, looks like they keep falling asleep!
Also, great flying. I use Me 262 just like you. Gold rule for 262: Never go in sharp turns.
That applied to all fighters....
Oh, and for the love of god never ever stall out. Some planes are okay in stalls
This thing will flip end over end like a badly made paper airplane
@@Desertduleler_88 all energy fighters. This is a golden energy fighter
You get bonus points for not blowing up on startup.
Smart Move to attack them Headon - In this you aim for the Cockpit = It's a One Shooter then!
Die ME-262 war schon ein geiles Flugzeug. Ich hab einige als Modelle hier stehen. Eine davon ist recht groß von FM. Von der Firma habe ich auch eine FW-190 und eine Bf-109.
8:00 Volunteer Russian bomber crew hosting hardbass rave in bomber cabin to pass time while on flight to bombing run (1945, colorized)
The first 13 minutes and the last 7 minutes are as exciting as a flight from Toledo to Akron.
U
No overheating engine? Someone has changed the difficulty of the game 😉
BnZ in it's truest form. I think I would have approached from a diagonal instead of head on. I hear the gunners are deadly (like they used to be in Air Warrior).
Air Warrior... I was connecting via dial up. That's what hooked me. It's been 20 years since.
What happened to the allied fighter escorts? Too early in the video for them to bug out due to fuel.
It would have been a disaster if an entire squadron of 262's engaged the Liberators. And why go after a wounded Lib? Especially after he dropped his bombs?
I've read the books by Stephen.E.Ambrose about the second world war as well as countless other books by different authors and the one thing that I can never get my head around is this, if we had such numbers in bombers, light and heavy, how come so little damage was done too the so called atlantic wall, I mean the young men sent up them beaches just never stood a chance.
Because the Atlantic Wall was not a wall like the West Wall, it was loosely associated forts and bunkers, and not even that at some places. The fortifications were too small for the inaccurate spread of formation bombers. Rather, prior to the invasion, the fortifications were bombarded by naval guns, to pieces, except where Omaha beach is concerned, where inaccurate fires resulted in mostly intact forts upon landing.
So, the reasons are; the target wasnt a viable target, too small, bombers too inaccurate, other tools better suited to the job
Well flying! Fun to see.
JV-44, very nice!
Nice plane the 262 but I think that this is not very realistic, because he would run out of ammo before shooting all those bombers.
Why don't the B-24s crews bail out when the bomber is obviously too damaged to fly? Doesn't IL-2 implement bail out crews?
They do bail out, it might be a replay bug.
Fishyyy when I first got IL2 1946 I just nailed lol
Lovely piece of flying good deflection shooting, surprised not to see fighter escorts by this stage of the war......
There are a ton, you just have to pay attention. 15:33 for example. At 33:35 i nearly got caught, just check the contrails around me, every one is a fighter.
I did see the contrails, but wasn't sure if they were yours left at attitude.
Los fw 190 dora y la ultima versión, del 109 se encarguen de los thunderwol de escolta los 262 de los bombarderos
Sweet video
No amount of ME262s are going to stop an Atomic bomb.
maybe not the bomb, but the b-29 carrying it
fair comment..but there would be another and another
Actually, If Fatman and little boy hadn't worked, the US had no other bomb in storage, it would have taken at least months to make more bombs. Besides, if the US had tried to drop a A bomb over germany they would n't have taken any risk and would have hidden the bomber amongst thousand others imho with extremely heavy fighter support.
yup
Actually, if there ever had been an attempt to use the A-Bomb on Germany that would mean that something else had to have gone horribly wrong for the Allies so that Germany is still able to effectively defend itself.
In any case, the bomb carrying B-29's would in all likelyhood fly much higher over Germany than over Japan. The intense high altitude winds over Japan forced the USAAF to fly at lower altitudes in order to reach a reasonable bombing accuracy... this wouldn't be a problem over Germany. And if using the bomb on Germany was seen as necessary, that would mean the Luftwaffe and Heer would still have been effective fighting forces instead of shadows of their former selves... this would definitely mean that the A-Bomb carrier would fly in a formation of regular B-29's, at high altitude.
Anyway... long story short, my point is that the Luftwaffe would have still been able to defend Germany, which means the war would have gone on longer than it did in real life... so it's very likely that planes which were only available in limited numbers in real life would have been much more prevalent in this assumed scenario.
The other point is that early jet engines suffered really badly at high altitudes and had real problems developing good thrust there, so it would be much more likely that the fighters intercepting said B-29's would be Ta 152 H high altitude interceptors, not Me 262's. *Above 9km, the Ta 152 H-1(thanks to it's GM-1 nitrous oxide injection) is actually faster than the Me 262!* ^^
On 19:13 why did the bomber stop all the engines? After all, the German fighter shot him only in the left wing.
All of Germany's good pilots were either dead or shot down,therefore Germany couldn't have won the war
ME-262 need some Foods.
P-47: Em I joke to you?
262: ja... jaja
Better than “Red Tails” the movie.
Why there is a Polish emblem on the Me262? See 45:45.
It's probably some luftwaffe division emblem that is similar to the polish one.
@@melo3814 might be his score card.
It's the emblem of Jagdverband 44, a unit formed around Galland, consisting of Luftwaffe aces.
Imagine German jets at the beginning of the conflict? They could win the war!
Nope. USA could still nuke Germany.
Hard to use those jets when you don't have enough fuel to keep them up.
+The CrimsonZeke bullshit
Imagine the fuel use in 1940.. Battle of Berlin in 1941 soon since germans run out of fuel for their aircraft and tanks...
Germany's real mistake was not ever building a four engine bomber..that would have given them the distance to bomb western European countries into submission
Just enjoy the ride
How do you start on the ground ?
El mejor caza de la II guerra mundial !!!! Cuatro cuetazos del Messerschmitt Me-262 y adiós B-24 !!!!
The head-on tactics - not quite realistic with Me-262. AFAIK in the real world the way was to approach from behind, dive under and open fire while climbing from below.
But this is of course (just) a game - so what works in the game must be quite OK - I guess ;)
I was going to say that, closing speed would be way too fast to get a hit from head on. The pilot gets a hit every time in this game, while in real life the pilots sometimes would miss completely even when coming from behind because the firing rate of a 30mm canon, even four of them, is too slow.
@@eugenespicer3272 The problem with the MK 108 wasn't it's rate of fire but it's low muzzle velocity. This meant that the Jadgflieger had to get much closer to their target to shoot it down. Some pilots preferred the 20mm Kannone as it had a much higher muzzle velocity hence higher range.
And that's right there, at landing, when the Mosquitoes would have picked the 262 up
*Mustangs
... or Tempests... or Thunderbolts... or Spitfires...
Also they usually would have attacked when the 262's slowed down for their long landing approach, not on touchdown or when they are already within the airfields short and medium range AA cover.
Of course, that's assuming that the "Platzschutzstaffel"(Airfield protection squadron) is either sleeping or there is no such unit at this particular airfield. Which doesn't seem to be the case, as we clearly see Fw 190 D-9's taking off right before the Me 262's do.
@@sd501st5 I believe that is where John Glen got his ME 262 kills.
Ok Fishyyy, who is the blonde ,(B24 nose art)?
When exactly?
Blonde Bombshell,@ 16:54
Vivacious Virgin,@26:14
My Gal Sal ,@ 29:15
Hard Target @ 31:00
High Cover,@ 33:24 (nice)
And there was Leading Lady at the beginning, but she was brown haired. At first I thought that they were all the same person , but now as memory kicks in I realize that they are historically accurate reproductions of WW II bomber nose art. Am I not correct?
Yeah, they are from a nose art pack I downloaded ages ago.
Fishyyy, we talked once about a particular nose art, (Jade) and I ask if you knew her, and you said that you had used people that you knew for nose art, and you said that you had and I would have to look hard to ever find one, guess I'm still looking.
Stay Fishyyy and keep them coming.
Do you notice that B24s are easy to shot down than B17s?
I think the B-24s are a little tougher in IL-2. They also fly closer together, which makes their defensive fire more effective.
I think it does not matter as long as you fly jet fighter and attack from correct angles. But if attack (for whatever reason) from six, B-24 gunners are more deadly, IMHO.
hanghaeja I mean B24s are weaker than B17s. B17 can take a lot more punischment than B24s.
Yes, I see your point. But in my opinion, any difference in structural strength between bomber types in IL2 1946 matters only if an attacker has armament weaker than 2(4) x 30 mm. Subject his attack is done right, of course.
Yea b24 is lot easier to bring down compare to b17 also it lot smaller and faster make it not easy to aim it sorry for my bad english😂
awesome
No se pero ese avion grande esta muy bien artillado para ese caza aleman se le pueda asercar y salir bien tiene que tener mucha suerte
Avía me 262 con un caño pak de 75 milímetros bajo el fuselaje. O un pack 47 mm en morro.
Sieben Abschüsee, wow!
I do not think it was easy to get a B 24 out of the sky, because the speed surplus of the Me 262 leaves only a short time to fire. Bye Hans.
That's why the 262 had four rapid firing 30 millimeter cannons. It didn't need much time on target to do a lot of damage.
@@Skyhawk1998 "rapid firing" ? XD
Awesome.
19:09 pucker time
Jet 262 no tenía tanta capacidad de combustible y los tiempos de vuelo eran muy cortos.
The flight time is modelled accurately in this game. You should get your facts right, before you complain.
How long could the Me 262 fly for with at full tank of Fuel?
I don’t know, but I think the me-163 had about 8-10 minutes of fuel
Mouldy Tomato . 1 hour
@@Kay_213_ The me163 had a rocket engine. That's why it used up much more fuel than any jet plane.
Max Mustermann
Yeah, no shit
Dolphins hunting fish
You know this for boys were brave souls doing what they did especially when the me 262s were invented
Cory Sartin you mean, bombing civilian targets or flying a me262? because bombing civilians is far away from being brave souls
@@niko7626 If you believe war is necessary, bombing civilians is just part of the doctrine. Your idea that some were courageous and others not is wrong on two counts. The truly courageous are the anti-war crowd running against the tide, and your crazy if you think any of the major combatants overlooked destroying lots of civilians.
Jeff Moore thats the worst excuse ever, what were they trying to achieve? No more civilians left to go on on the streets? (Or streets for that matter)
@@keeshans5768 high altitude bombing was inaccurate and many military factories were in civillian cities.
@@reecetaylor2626 piss off and admit when your country did something wrong, world leaders themselves said that civilians were targeted to reduce their resolve to fight and it didn’t even work. The Wehrmacht fought till the bitter end
what operating system
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Why your plane has a red-white checkerboard on the left side? It's a Polish sign, so I'm curious why it's there.
It's the insignia of Jagdverband 44.
Woah
what armament is the Me-262 using?
4 x 30mm Mk 108
cool
We don't mention that "movie". Any similarities happened by pure accident.
No one here noted that the B-24 left and right propellers rotated in the same direction -- unrealistic.
Yeah, all of the US heavy bombers had all engines rotating in the same direction - unrealistic.
Are you sure? I'd like to see some documentation on that.
You got to state some documentation on the counter acting propellers. I can't find any. It would be hard for me to access us sources, since i'm from germany.
I recall a UA-cam video about the p-38. It had same way right and left propeller directions at first and this was later corrected.
The P-38 had counter rotating propellers, but the discussion is about the heavy bombers.
Where is the fucking fighter escort???
It is RIGHT THERE. You are just too dumb to see it.
No saben nada.
Film français action
この作図に限界があるよ
基本的に単機で能力だ上なら、編隊長機を狙うでしょ
それを正面から入ったのに編隊の尻尾れ機から狙うなんて卑怯者過ぎる
編隊に多大な損害を加えたいならば基本的に両翼からの攻撃が基本
アホすぎる
白銀 一応この人はLuftwaffenの戦法に従っているらしい。編隊長機を狙えというとパイロットは焦るかもしれない。精神的に後ろの方の機を狙う方が簡単かもしれない。アンタが言ったみたいに、両翼から攻撃しようとしたら、せっかくの速度を生かせないと思う。
This is like watching a horrible movie from the 30s, graphics and all...
No bomber box, no fighter escort
Hahaha :D Did you try to be extra wrong or something?
I love the fact that he felt so offended by this that a hour later he decide to post a video on this
if you carry disrespectful political ads on your channel, I will not like orsubscribe
I can't chose what kind of ad gets played.
"Oh no! I dont like the Ad your channel has. I'm going to unsubscribe unless you appease me."
What a giant Cry Baby