Thanks for the review. I'm seriously considering the FCP HS Precision with 24" barrel. It is currently running just under $1000 with certain distributors.
I've mounted enough scopes poorly to finally learn my lesson. Start out with the base, then the rings. About the 2nd time I did a great mounting job on a factory loose base I learned my lesson. I take the base off, then use a bit of blue lock-tite on everything going up. No more moving optics.
Good show !! I took the same challange after a friend of mine spent huge $$$$ on an AI rifle and a SB scope. I bought the same Savage 10, but worked up my own load. 175 SMK over 42,4 gr of H4895 I did use la Bushnell 3.5-21X50 Elite 34mm tube & a G2 DMR FFP reticle. It is the nut behind the butt plate. at 71 years Ive been thet nut since 1962 . Paint and chrome don't get ya home.
anybody else get the feeling that primary arms optics will be considered one of the top dogs in 10 to 15 years? it seems like they really got they're shit together...
got to check out the SWFA SS 10x42. for $299 there is nothing else out there that can even come close. great optics, perfect turret adjustments, and not to mention as rugged as they come.
Nice series and I enjoyed the project discussion. Unfortunately, I'm a bit critical of most consumer optics in general, often scoffing at budget glass. It was nice to hear that you were satisfied with a $229 scope! The only thing that could have made it better if if there not been any internal floaties or artifacts.
Thanks MAC for helping me decide on the PA scope for my budget build. I went with the Mossberg MVP Flex 7.62 for the rifle (on sale for $498). I can't wait to get her to the range.
I personally have been very happy with the SWFA scopes in fixed 10X and fixed 16X in Mil/Mil configuration. Very good glass and great accurate adjustments that track reliably. Other than paying a grand or more for a scope these are great options to 1000 yards for $300. Cant beat the price
I did this same build a year ago with the same exact rifle and ended up with the BSA 4X14 and have been happy with the results so far. Try the following scopes SWFA SS fixed power (IMO best value fixed scope on the market) BSA 4X14 FFP (only avaiable from Midway similar to the Primary Arms) Falcon Menace (the scope the PA and BSA seem to be based off of) Keep up the great videos!!
I have that scope with the ACSS illuminated reticle, for $279.95 + the sunshade. IMO, it is outstanding, and the reticle is a big part of its attraction, along with the clarity. Thanks for your project. I intend to purchase a Savage 10T based on your results. Thus far I've used the scope on a 5.56 20" AR, 69 gr, and VG groups at 200yds with the 100 yd zero. With the dials noted, I'll zero the Primary Arms for both weapons.
I know I’m late to the party here, but you really need to look into SWFA scopes. The fixed 10x and 12x are still (in 2018) right around $300! The are exceedingly tough and track with absolute precision. I understand that they are not variable power with fancy features, but the optical clarity is outstanding and they won’t break.
Glad to see Primary Arms coming through for the win, they have by far the best quality products for the money, and you just proved that. Great vid Tim!
I just ordered my Primary Arms 4x14 FFP scope!!! cant wait to put it on my Savage 10 FCP SR in 308!!! Thanks to this video i think I made the best choice for my budget. Thanks guys!!!
my buddy had a bushnell 2400 elite on his .223 bolt weatherby vanguard and same thing, we tried and tried to sight that bugger in and at 100 yrds and we would go two clicks down, no movement, another 2 then three and we ended up at the bottom of the turret and it was still sitting 6 inches high at 100 yards.... we couldn't get it to move down whatsoever, I haven't seen or heard the greatest things about bushnell optics and with my personal experiences and now this I don't think ill ever purchase one, thanks for the interesting video MAC!
A fixed power scope is your friend in this quest for a budget of $1000. Check out Mueller, Weaver, or SWFA. I'm looking forward to the next installments in this series.
I went with the rem 700 sps tac and topped it with an swfa 10x42. The rem was 628 out the door and the glass with rings was 359 shipped to my house. Glass is really clear and crisp too!
Thanks for this series. I have am opportunity to get a new Savage Model 10TR in .308 at an on-sale price that will leave something left over for other gear and still stay under the $1K. I had an older (2009) version of the Bushnell scope, same specs, on a Savage 12FTSS in .223, and it was an excellent performer. Sold it to a friend in a moment of weakness - he's still getting excellent service from it. Some of the scopes that people discuss on UA-cam as "budget" are either not easily available in Canada, or very, very costly. So, the range of choices is a bit different. I realize this series is now almost 4 years old, but everything you've mentioned is still applicable to putting together a $1K rifle that'll do 1000 metres. That's the hope, anyway! Thanks for posting.
I have the Primary Arms Scope on my Ruger American in .270win . I'm no sharpshooter by any means but this combo works like a champ, I'm very satisfied with the setup.
I'm surprised you're not considering a SWFA 10X. I'm very happy with the quality. Mine tracks perfectly and has a crisp clear image. The best part is I bought it on sale for $269 including rings.
Where did you buy it? Top rated scope! Navy special ops specs, Gov contract number so the scope build or specs, cannot be changed without approval from US Navy.
Thank you for trying to do this! There are alot of people that want to do this very same thing. I am going to try that Primary arms scope too but I am getting the newer one that cost a little more, "Primary Arms® New 4-14X44 Front Focal Plane Scope with Patented ACSS® Orion Reticle for .308/.223/30-06 Springfield $259.99". And I found a Savage 10 FCP-SR 24" barrel friday! I cant wait got to the range!!!! So thank you for help guide my choices! You were a big help!!
With some people there vids they blatantly lie about ranges 1,000 is actually 500 ect that’s why I love this guys because he never does you can tell when he fires you hear the steel 3 seconds later. And I love how he hit 1,000 yards with the $200 scope when the $450 one couldn’t
I have both the SWFA 10x and 3-15x and love them! Good glass, accurate adjustments and practically bullet proof. Don't get me wrong, I love my Euro optics, but nothing can touch the SWFA quality for their price.
Military Arms Channel scope problem solved swfa super sniper 10x mrad turrets and mil quad reticle. 299.00 any better fixed powered scope will cost you 1200.00 us optics
Damn right. I have a Savage 10FP in .223 with a 12x SWFA SS scope and SWFA rings. 1/2 minute groups all day long, and the occasional 1/4 minute groups. (with handloads).
Primary Arms has some rock solid products. I own their CompM4 red dot clone and a 2.5x scope and love both. They have several new red/green dots worth checking out.
4:38 - I think I see the accuracy problem. I noticed a can of Mt Dew in the background. Every time a friend and I would shoot, he'd bring me a Mt Dew so my caffeinated trigger finger would be twitchin', so his shooting looked better by comparison.
I might suggest a fixed power SWFA SS. I believe our Navy uses the 10x, but for $300 you can get the 12x, 16x, or 20x scopes too. Better yet you can get adjustments and reticle both in mils. Although I probably have to pick up a couple Primary Arms FFP to replace my budget MOA/mils scopes.
Thanks for these reviews. they help a lot as i decide which optic to go with on my dad's old .30-06. With the results you achieved, $229 is a great deal.
One time I had occasion to talk to a Bushnell tech and he told me that the most common cause of a scope needing repair is that the rings were tightened to a higher torque than needed. Maybe that means they use a thinner tube material in their scopes. But that bit of information tells me something.
This video is a game changer for Primary Arms scopes!!!!! And just think when you said "If you have time to get to the Primary Arms" Almost never happened!
+Mark White Actually, since this video was made and some time before this was made, Primary Arms has been sky rocketing in their popularity. PA is about the ONLY company that has put respect into Chinese built optics. Their 50, 000 hour $170 red dots are making wavestoo. Check out the finest DMR reticle in the world, their own in-house ACSS. Phenomenal!
Military Arms Channel Thanks for this project I am getting a Ruger Predator 308 to do the about the same thing you are doing in this series. I really like the Primary Arms Orion 4-14 Scope that I figured would be awesome for hunting 100-500 yards but I wanted to be able to play at the 1000 yard range. I will be getting the Primary Arms Glass for sure.
Nice job that's a dang cool gun ur first video is what inspired me to get that .308 savage 10 but id got the fcp-k when I got to the range I was like what that's a bad boy I dig it man thanks for ur videos.
@Military Arms Channel great series! I have a Savage model 10 LE I recommend the SWFA SS scope 299 you can't beat it! Next time you do a long range rifle series I highly recommend you do a review on the SWFA SS scope. They are a military spec optic and in my opinion are just as good as a Leupold mk4. I read the reviews prior to my purchase nothing but good reviews. The ONLY complaint I have with it that's it's 14" long to long to be mounted on my PTR-91 On the PTR-91 the charging handle rubs up against the bell. That's why on my PTR-91 I am looking at a couple of scope options for my DMR/hog gun project the Burris Mtac, the Leupold vxr patrol 3-9x40mm and the Leupold mk4 LR/T 4.5-14x40.
Love the video. Also love you tried multiple optics. I am in this 1000-1500$ price range shopping as we speak and it's nice to see a rifle that will do it. Especially less than 600$. Thanks for the video. I think I just found my next rifle.
MAC, check out the Falcon Menace FFP 4-14X44 FALM14IR. It is very similar in features to the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 for about half the price. I believe SWFA is the only US retailer that carries it.
Mine? A standard M1917 with a brand new Criterion barrel. Removable scope mount with a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x 50mm PA. Using good .30-06 will tag stuff at 1000 all day long (or rather until the barrel gets hot).
I have the same scope and caliber on a Remmington 700 with a Timney trigger. It ends up at $1,500 all in but that also includes a great aluminum bedded stock.
I have the 0 moa mounted, which I see will do for 1000 yards, but I'm going to get the 20moa when I start looking to reach out to 1 mile. Thanks for the reply!
I realize this is an older video but still i wish i had watched it sooner. I bought a Savage Axis in .270win that was barely used. The previous owner put a Bushnell on it and two different mounts on the rifle as well. Needless tl say i corrected that and am also having issues with the Bushnell scope getting it to consistently place shots. As soon as I am able I may look into a primary arms piece to replace it.
I'm really glad your doing this video because I want to get into longer range shooting but I don't want to spend $2,000+ on a set up. If you can please do some more reviews on some more and better scopes
Oh welcome to my life! I'm doing the same project with the same rifle. Mounted a Nikon 6-18 Buckmasters, scope worked well for about 200 rounds then came loose inside. So I debated for a while and got a Vortex Viper 3-9 in MOA, which lasted for 2 rounds before it began to wander!!! No problem, I'll switch to my 10/22's instead, had a Nikon P-22 2-7 on it that lasted for 3-6 rounds, sent it back to midway in exchange for a Vortex Crossfire II... that one was defective also!!! WTF!!! Switched to an AR with a Vortex viper PST 1-4x24, got 50 rounds into it and shots started stringing horizontally... Problem? Not sure, but I've got to box up and return at least 3 more scopes for repair, 2 that NEVER WORKED from the start. I'm thinking Zeiss Conquest next, or a Leupy VX-2 3-9x40.
It seemed like you were saying the strict head position behind the scope is a bad thing. I count that as a plus in my book because it will make you lined up exactly with with the scope and make sure you have the perfect cheek weld which is also good for holding the rifle steady. Also, are the mils on the scope and the spotting scope the same? That would cause lots of problems if they are not.
I have a Savage Law Enforcement Series Model 10 .308 Win in a Field Strike Cadex Chassis with a TRACT Toric 30mm FFP 4-20X50 MRAD PRS scope in a Spuhr 30mm Mount. And last a Terminator TT Brake. Obviously not a $1000 setup. More like a $4500 setup 😂 definitely a tack driver though as it should be. I added a Area 419 Arca Rail to the Chasis and shooting from a Tripod is on another level of awesome!
Hey Mac greetings from Northern Germany! i noticed that you use a strange pattern to tighten the Bolts on the scope mounting rings. i work as an engine desinger for a student motorsport team and when seating of a multiple bolt connection is crucial, like with a cylinder head or also the mounting rings on your scope, i would recommend using a Cross or Helix Pattern to tighten the bolts (Middle Left, Middle Right, Front left, Rear Right...) that way the surfaces will seat properly without "bumping" which could lead to losing zero on your scope multiple times after mechanical shocks, like firing.
That Premier Rifle scope looks nice for the cost especially with a FFP. I'd like to see them make a FFP like the one but preferably in the 4-16x50 range and I would totally buy!
I have liked all of the videos I have seen on your channel. You are very thorough and knowledgeable. I would like to see a similar video to this one only with a cheap standard ar15 build. Keep up the awesome videos.
Vortex Optics Viper HS-T Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 6-24x 50mm Side Focus VMR-1 MOA Reticle Matte, I'm happy about it, and easy to play, crispy eyesight.The 308 Savage FCP I have it as a gun smooth and accurate
***** tnoutdoor I have the FCP in the HS precision stock and handload for it. It is a very accurate rifle, with the Viper 6-24 FFP. Fantastic combo, but more like $2k. Anyway, you can't go wrong with that rifle.
Hey Tim check out the SWFA SS line. Really good solid optic, good clarity,30mm tubes, positive tactile adjustments MIL/MIL Fixed 6,10,16,20X scopes for sub $300
Common problem with low cost Bushnell scopes. I had one retical drift like that right out of the box, and several did it after shooting with large caliber rifles.
I have a Savage Model 10FP with a 24" heavy barrel and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x50 w/BDC reticule that shoots like a dream... with hand loads. The Savage does poorly with most factory ammo, but once I started loading for it, my groups dropped to (no, I'm not lying) sub 1/4 MOA. 44.0gr of Varget behind a 168gr Hornady match bullet is magic. I am now wanting to upgrade my scope so that I can readily adjust out to 1000yds or more (I live at high elevation) but I'm not a MilRad guy. I have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP w/MOA reticule on my .338 Lapua that I love, but that's almost a $1000 scope on its own, so I will have to look at some other alternatives.
I'm building a .308 AR, keeping budget in mind, shopping around, but going for accuracy. I have budgeted in $500 for an optic, but then I saw the Primary Arms FFP scope, both the one you used in this video and the one with the ACSS/HUD reticle, both obviously under $300. I'm blown away by the apparent quality of the scopes and am pretty much sold...but, my question to you is, given the budget for a scope, are there any better choices out there? FFP is definitely a must for me.
Great info, I too am building a 1000+ yd rifle, and now you have me thinking about my scope options. Was planning on going with the Vortex Viper Pst 6-24x50 ffp. But if the Primary Arms can deliver the results for 1/3 of the price I may be changing my mind. Thank you , as always for the Honest review of these products.
Nice review. Just a quick question. I like the look of the last scope you put on the rifle. I think it's the primary arms 4-14x50. Where could I find a retailer for them and do they export them to Europe. I live in ireland. Keep up the good work.
I wonder if you could do a long range video with a really "budget rifle " like the Savage axis, mossberg patriot or the Ruger american. It would also be great to see a if they could be consistant at 1000 with something like the Burris eliminator or other "smart scopes" ( ATN etc).
i put a 280$ 6.5 CM 26" barrel on a 100$ savage 308 from a pawn shop, model 10. put a rifle basix ttrigger on it 145$, and a good heavy stock, and a vortex viper 4-16 FFp i had on a shelf, its a 1 mile gun
I'll say this. SWFA and others in that price range are in trouble if more people start trying out Primary arms 4x14 line. I am terrible at working out firing solutions and now with the ACSS/.308 reticle it takes about 5 seconds and no turret cranking or "0" to be concerned with. Have fun, Gerry
You should have tried a Falcon Menace 4-14x44, or SWFA Super Sniper fixed power optic in your preferred magnification for the budget you have for glass.
Falcon Menace, Primary Arms, and BSA all produce a 4-14x FFP optic. However only the BSA adjusts in 1/10mil increments and uses the TMD reticle, making it superior to the Primary Arms and Falcon Menace. I run it on my M1A EBR, it's held it's zero for nearly a year of regular shooting.
Same here. I bought a SWFA SS. I chose a 10 power. I love it. It is an awesome scope. I live in Dallas and drove to the SWFA store. Great guys, store and scope.
+Steven Ford I also have to give the nod to SWFA, the Fixed 10x is probably the best scope you can get for $300, I have the 3-15x42mm and It is great. But you cant forget Vortex I had the viper HS-t but wanted a FFP scope so i got the SWFA but the Vortex is incredibly clear, perfect adjustments and durable. it seems very few companies are putting out quality scopes for budget prices SWFA Vortex and Primary arms are certainly there, Other brands like Nikon, bushnell, and others do have good glass but thats not something that makes up for unreliable turrets.
+ColdWarWarriors The Elite Tactical line is a very nice scope, I bought one myself and got it on my Savage FCPK. Couldn't be happier. At $1000, it's on par with some scopes much more expensive. I wasn't aware of this until about a week ago, but my older cousin who is very involved in all the long range shooting, said that another company actually makes these scopes for Bushnell. I haven't been able to confirm that, but would explain why these scopes are so nice when their other stuff is kinda crappy.
What John Doe said. I have the 6-24x50mm Bushy Elite 7on my Savage 10 FCP-SR (First Gen. Not crappy Gen 2) with the BEST reticle in the world (for me and many others too)..the G2 reticle co developed with George from GA Precision. MANY pro shooters use the next gen Bushy, the 3.5-21x50mm. I am happier with my higher max power 6-24 scope. Super bright and clear at 24X even at twighlight. NO NEED for illuminated reticle. I do not understand anyone's need for an illuminated reticle with a great scope of this quality. If you can not see your reticle then you need a night vision scope, not an illum reticle. One more thing to go bad, battery to leak..etc. Buy the G2 NON illum reticle. The Tac Elites are less expensive and better glass than Vortex PST. I paid $880 for my FFP Tac Elite in 6-24X50mm. Best scope in the world for the money IMO. First time I took it to the range the guy right NEXT to me had the EXACT same scope. LOL. TAC Elites are HUGELY popular with both Federal and local LEO sniper teams because of the incredible VALUE and RUGGEDNESS that these scopes consistently exhibit along with precise tracking and near Tier One optics. The Bushy 3.5-20x50 goes head to head with Tier One optics in Professional Long Range matches. An increasing number of shooters are finding the Tac Elite to serve their needs better than spending thousands of more dollars (Schmidt and Bender, etc) for not much more performance. DO YOUR RESEARCH Cold War Warrior. I worry about guys like you owning and using guns. Seriously. The internet is FULL of glowing reviews, videos and extreme torture tests of the Tac Elite you think is so punk. Sheesh. Do we have to do everything for you guys? There is this BRAND NEW concept called a "Search Engine" Google. Bing etc. Try it, know it, love it.
***** I actually got the BRT-MIL illuminated in 6-24. Illumination just depends on your desired use. I personally love the open circle in the middle, very good target view. As for the illumination, that depends on your plans for the rifle. Being FFP, when you go out back to 6 power the reticle is so fine it is hard to see in low light. I have a buck on the wall that probable wouldn't be their without the illumination. Only the middle circle lights up, so it not overwhelming when you turn it on. The G2 is probable superior in bench shooting, but I love mine for bench and hunting. Everything else is dead on. I did a lot of research before buying mine, the torture tests these things survive are impressive.
Excellent video MAC, glad to see the project is working out. I have had really good luck with several SWFA Super Sniper scopes (now called SS I believe) and Vortex Viper’s when my budget has been tight. I have not tried nor heard of Primary Arms... I look forward to seeing the tracking tests with the PA scope. A other option in the market is always a good.
make sure you do some stress testing of the optic. some people have reported quality issues related to high recoil rifles. ive nothing against primary arms, in fact i just recieved my md-06L from them and love it. just doing some due diligence as a critic :)
It was 8 years ago you filmed this video, I purchased a Savage model 10 today chambered in 308 paid $899.00 for mine. Awesome video thanks
Crazy how high the value for them is now
Thanks for the review. I'm seriously considering the FCP HS Precision with 24" barrel. It is currently running just under $1000 with certain distributors.
great to see you back in the mix of youtube! hopefully that means items health, family, and career are going well too :)
I've mounted enough scopes poorly to finally learn my lesson. Start out with the base, then the rings. About the 2nd time I did a great mounting job on a factory loose base I learned my lesson. I take the base off, then use a bit of blue lock-tite on everything going up. No more moving optics.
Good show !! I took the same challange after a friend of mine spent huge $$$$ on an AI rifle and a SB scope. I bought the same Savage 10, but worked up my own load. 175 SMK over 42,4 gr of H4895
I did use la Bushnell 3.5-21X50 Elite 34mm tube & a G2 DMR FFP reticle. It is the nut behind the butt plate. at 71 years Ive been thet nut since 1962 . Paint and chrome don't get ya home.
anybody else get the feeling that primary arms optics will be considered one of the top dogs in 10 to 15 years? it seems like they really got they're shit together...
2 years later, we have the savage axis 2, an swfa SS fixed 10x, and any $100 one piece scope base and you have MOA accuracy for 750 buckeroos.
Timhouse a year later we have anarchist taking over America...
@@thegreatoutdoors7610 hahaha
@@joshuagibson2520 Facts... them and Holosun have gotten thousands from me since I posted this comment... LOL
@@thegreatoutdoors7610 a year later, over 1 billion guns sold, one patriot acquitted with a 3-0 record. All anarchist quiet.
I love how long it takes the sound of the plate getting hit takes to get back to the camera.
got to check out the SWFA SS 10x42. for $299 there is nothing else out there that can even come close. great optics, perfect turret adjustments, and not to mention as rugged as they come.
Nice series and I enjoyed the project discussion. Unfortunately, I'm a bit critical of most consumer optics in general, often scoffing at budget glass. It was nice to hear that you were satisfied with a $229 scope! The only thing that could have made it better if if there not been any internal floaties or artifacts.
Thanks MAC for helping me decide on the PA scope for my budget build. I went with the Mossberg MVP Flex 7.62 for the rifle (on sale for $498).
I can't wait to get her to the range.
I personally have been very happy with the SWFA scopes in fixed 10X and fixed 16X in Mil/Mil configuration. Very good glass and great accurate adjustments that track reliably. Other than paying a grand or more for a scope these are great options to 1000 yards for $300. Cant beat the price
I did this same build a year ago with the same exact rifle and ended up with the BSA 4X14 and have been happy with the results so far.
Try the following scopes
SWFA SS fixed power (IMO best value fixed scope on the market)
BSA 4X14 FFP (only avaiable from Midway similar to the Primary Arms)
Falcon Menace (the scope the PA and BSA seem to be based off of)
Keep up the great videos!!
I have that scope with the ACSS illuminated reticle, for $279.95 + the sunshade. IMO, it is outstanding, and the reticle is a big part of its attraction, along with the clarity.
Thanks for your project. I intend to purchase a Savage 10T based on your results. Thus far I've used the scope on a 5.56 20" AR, 69 gr, and VG groups at 200yds with the 100 yd zero. With the dials noted, I'll zero the Primary Arms for both weapons.
I know I’m late to the party here, but you really need to look into SWFA scopes. The fixed 10x and 12x are still (in 2018) right around $300! The are exceedingly tough and track with absolute precision. I understand that they are not variable power with fancy features, but the optical clarity is outstanding and they won’t break.
The Primary Arms scope seems to be a winning choice! Nice series, looking forward to the wrap-up!
Glad to see Primary Arms coming through for the win, they have by far the best quality products for the money, and you just proved that. Great vid Tim!
I just ordered my Primary Arms 4x14 FFP scope!!! cant wait to put it on my Savage 10 FCP SR in 308!!! Thanks to this video i think I made the best choice for my budget. Thanks guys!!!
How has it performed since?
my buddy had a bushnell 2400 elite on his .223 bolt weatherby vanguard and same thing, we tried and tried to sight that bugger in and at 100 yrds and we would go two clicks down, no movement, another 2 then three and we ended up at the bottom of the turret and it was still sitting 6 inches high at 100 yards.... we couldn't get it to move down whatsoever, I haven't seen or heard the greatest things about bushnell optics and with my personal experiences and now this I don't think ill ever purchase one, thanks for the interesting video MAC!
Excellent video. My bud and I were giving some thought to building a 1000 yd rifle and you've given us new ideas. Thanks!
A fixed power scope is your friend in this quest for a budget of $1000. Check out Mueller, Weaver, or SWFA.
I'm looking forward to the next installments in this series.
Primary arms makes fantastic value scopes.
I went with the rem 700 sps tac and topped it with an swfa 10x42. The rem was 628 out the door and the glass with rings was 359 shipped to my house. Glass is really clear and crisp too!
Thanks for this series. I have am opportunity to get a new Savage Model 10TR in .308 at an on-sale price that will leave something left over for other gear and still stay under the $1K. I had an older (2009) version of the Bushnell scope, same specs, on a Savage 12FTSS in .223, and it was an excellent performer. Sold it to a friend in a moment of weakness - he's still getting excellent service from it. Some of the scopes that people discuss on UA-cam as "budget" are either not easily available in Canada, or very, very costly. So, the range of choices is a bit different. I realize this series is now almost 4 years old, but everything you've mentioned is still applicable to putting together a $1K rifle that'll do 1000 metres. That's the hope, anyway! Thanks for posting.
Nice looking set up and a decent price range too.
I got the PA 1-6x 5.56 ACSS scope, love it so far!
Im glad they are pumping out good quality stuff at a good price range.
Great vids 👍👍
+Nicole Woodruff cool
I have the Primary Arms Scope on my Ruger American in .270win . I'm no sharpshooter by any means but this combo works like a champ, I'm very satisfied with the setup.
I'm surprised you're not considering a SWFA 10X. I'm very happy with the quality. Mine tracks perfectly and has a crisp clear image. The best part is I bought it on sale for $269 including rings.
Where did you buy it? Top rated scope! Navy special ops specs, Gov contract number so the scope build or specs, cannot be changed without approval from US Navy.
SWFA in Texas. They had a sale before Christmas. Scope, rings, and a bubble level for $269.95. I thought it was too good of a deal to pass on.
Yes it was.
Thank you for trying to do this! There are alot of people that want to do this very same thing. I am going to try that Primary arms scope too but I am getting the newer one that cost a little more, "Primary Arms® New 4-14X44 Front Focal Plane Scope with Patented ACSS® Orion Reticle for .308/.223/30-06 Springfield
$259.99". And I found a Savage 10 FCP-SR 24" barrel friday! I cant wait got to the range!!!! So thank you for help guide my choices! You were a big help!!
Love the scope review because it is nice to learn in advance before you buy one, take it home and find out that it is not everything you expected.
With some people there vids they blatantly lie about ranges 1,000 is actually 500 ect that’s why I love this guys because he never does you can tell when he fires you hear the steel 3 seconds later. And I love how he hit 1,000 yards with the $200 scope when the $450 one couldn’t
I have both the SWFA 10x and 3-15x and love them! Good glass, accurate adjustments and practically bullet proof. Don't get me wrong, I love my Euro optics, but nothing can touch the SWFA quality for their price.
Military Arms Channel scope problem solved swfa super sniper 10x mrad turrets and mil quad reticle. 299.00 any better fixed powered scope will cost you 1200.00 us optics
Got the same one except in 6x
Damn right. I have a Savage 10FP in .223 with a 12x SWFA SS scope and SWFA rings. 1/2 minute groups all day long, and the occasional 1/4 minute groups. (with handloads).
Primary Arms has some rock solid products. I own their CompM4 red dot clone and a 2.5x scope and love both. They have several new red/green dots worth checking out.
SWFA 10x mil turrets mil reticle $299. Clear as it gets for the price. 50 cal rated. Had it on my Remington 700 5r .300wm.
I'll second that! Had the exact same setup. In my opinion I'd take the SWFA over these other scopes. Solid scope, solid turrets and tracking.
Jimmy Struthers they don’t want to mention such 😂 it would take away from the mainstream retail.
4:38 - I think I see the accuracy problem. I noticed a can of Mt Dew in the background. Every time a friend and I would shoot, he'd bring me a Mt Dew so my caffeinated trigger finger would be twitchin', so his shooting looked better by comparison.
I might suggest a fixed power SWFA SS. I believe our Navy uses the 10x, but for $300 you can get the 12x, 16x, or 20x scopes too. Better yet you can get adjustments and reticle both in mils.
Although I probably have to pick up a couple Primary Arms FFP to replace my budget MOA/mils scopes.
Thanks for these reviews. they help a lot as i decide which optic to go with on my dad's old .30-06. With the results you achieved, $229 is a great deal.
One time I had occasion to talk to a Bushnell tech and he told me that the most common cause of a scope needing repair is that the rings were tightened to a higher torque than needed. Maybe that means they use a thinner tube material in their scopes. But that bit of information tells me something.
A good and honest review. Good job! The $1000 dollar cap was a good parameter.
Nice video Mac. Thanks for the heads up on the scope, you almost sold me. Going to check out a few of your viewer suggested ones as well....
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This video is a game changer for Primary Arms scopes!!!!! And just think when you said "If you have time to get to the Primary Arms" Almost never happened!
+Mark White
Actually, since this video was made and some time before this was made, Primary Arms has been sky rocketing in their popularity. PA is about the ONLY company that has put respect into Chinese built optics.
Their 50, 000 hour $170 red dots are making wavestoo.
Check out the finest DMR reticle in the world, their own in-house ACSS. Phenomenal!
Can we get a full review of the Primary Arms scope?
I will cover the scope in the next installment.
Sweet! Thank you for responding.
Military Arms Channel did you ever review the primary arms scope on its own?
Military Arms Channel Thanks for this project I am getting a Ruger Predator 308 to do the about the same thing you are doing in this series. I really like the Primary Arms Orion 4-14 Scope that I figured would be awesome for hunting 100-500 yards but I wanted to be able to play at the 1000 yard range. I will be getting the Primary Arms Glass for sure.
+2 Techs and a Tool
The 4-14x HUD would be your Best Buy
had the same issue once. I dry fired the rifle once while looking down the scope and saw the reticle shifting around.
Nice job that's a dang cool gun ur first video is what inspired me to get that .308 savage 10 but id got the fcp-k when I got to the range I was like what that's a bad boy I dig it man thanks for ur videos.
@Military Arms Channel great series! I have a Savage model 10 LE I recommend the SWFA SS scope 299 you can't beat it! Next time you do a long range rifle series I highly recommend you do a review on the SWFA SS scope. They are a military spec optic and in my opinion are just as good as a Leupold mk4. I read the reviews prior to my purchase nothing but good reviews. The ONLY complaint I have with it that's it's 14" long to long to be mounted on my PTR-91 On the PTR-91 the charging handle rubs up against the bell. That's why on my PTR-91 I am looking at a couple of scope options for my DMR/hog gun project the Burris Mtac, the Leupold vxr patrol 3-9x40mm and the Leupold mk4 LR/T 4.5-14x40.
Love the video. Also love you tried multiple optics. I am in this 1000-1500$ price range shopping as we speak and it's nice to see a rifle that will do it. Especially less than 600$. Thanks for the video. I think I just found my next rifle.
MAC, check out the Falcon Menace FFP 4-14X44 FALM14IR. It is very similar in features to the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 for about half the price. I believe SWFA is the only US retailer that carries it.
I have this rifle with 24" HB and bushnell elite tactical 6-24-50 mounted on it crazy accurate for the money
Mine? A standard M1917 with a brand new Criterion barrel. Removable scope mount with a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x 50mm PA. Using good .30-06 will tag stuff at 1000 all day long (or rather until the barrel gets hot).
I have the same scope and caliber on a Remmington 700 with a Timney trigger. It ends up at $1,500 all in but that also includes a great aluminum bedded stock.
Bob Wilson Nice setup.
That's awesome! My setup is the savage Precision carbine with a SWFA Fixed 10x and I love it. Cheers!
I have the 0 moa mounted, which I see will do for 1000 yards, but I'm going to get the 20moa when I start looking to reach out to 1 mile. Thanks for the reply!
"Loose nut behind the butt plate."- That's a good one, I'm gonna steal it if you don't mind...
I realize this is an older video but still i wish i had watched it sooner. I bought a Savage Axis in .270win that was barely used. The previous owner put a Bushnell on it and two different mounts on the rifle as well. Needless tl say i corrected that and am also having issues with the Bushnell scope getting it to consistently place shots. As soon as I am able I may look into a primary arms piece to replace it.
I'm really glad your doing this video because I want to get into longer range shooting but I don't want to spend $2,000+ on a set up. If you can please do some more reviews on some more and better scopes
Oh welcome to my life!
I'm doing the same project with the same rifle. Mounted a Nikon 6-18 Buckmasters, scope worked well for about 200 rounds then came loose inside. So I debated for a while and got a Vortex Viper 3-9 in MOA, which lasted for 2 rounds before it began to wander!!!
No problem, I'll switch to my 10/22's instead, had a Nikon P-22 2-7 on it that lasted for 3-6 rounds, sent it back to midway in exchange for a Vortex Crossfire II... that one was defective also!!! WTF!!!
Switched to an AR with a Vortex viper PST 1-4x24, got 50 rounds into it and shots started stringing horizontally... Problem? Not sure, but I've got to box up and return at least 3 more scopes for repair, 2 that NEVER WORKED from the start.
I'm thinking Zeiss Conquest next, or a Leupy VX-2 3-9x40.
Primary Arms creates a great optic at a very reasonable price point in my experience!
Do you have any input on this scope? Burris Fullfield E1 Rifle Scope 4.5-14x 42mm
It seemed like you were saying the strict head position behind the scope is a bad thing. I count that as a plus in my book because it will make you lined up exactly with with the scope and make sure you have the perfect cheek weld which is also good for holding the rifle steady. Also, are the mils on the scope and the spotting scope the same? That would cause lots of problems if they are not.
I have a Savage Law Enforcement Series Model 10 .308 Win in a Field Strike Cadex Chassis with a TRACT Toric 30mm FFP 4-20X50 MRAD PRS scope in a Spuhr 30mm Mount. And last a Terminator TT Brake. Obviously not a $1000 setup. More like a $4500 setup 😂 definitely a tack driver though as it should be. I added a Area 419 Arca Rail to the Chasis and shooting from a Tripod is on another level of awesome!
Currently having the same issue with a weaver scope on my 700. If it continues this may be my next purchase. I truly appreciate the insight.
Hey Mac greetings from Northern Germany!
i noticed that you use a strange pattern to tighten the Bolts on the scope mounting rings. i work as an engine desinger for a student motorsport team and when seating of a multiple bolt connection is crucial, like with a cylinder head or also the mounting rings on your scope, i would recommend using a Cross or Helix Pattern to tighten the bolts (Middle Left, Middle Right, Front left, Rear Right...) that way the surfaces will seat properly without "bumping" which could lead to losing zero on your scope multiple times after mechanical shocks, like firing.
Love a Savage, That is a lot of Bang for the Buck
That Premier Rifle scope looks nice for the cost especially with a FFP. I'd like to see them make a FFP like the one but preferably in the 4-16x50 range and I would totally buy!
I have liked all of the videos I have seen on your channel. You are very thorough and knowledgeable. I would like to see a similar video to this one only with a cheap standard ar15 build. Keep up the awesome videos.
I'm glad you did this video. I was thinking about getting the PA 4-14 for my 700 sps tactical because it fits my budget.
nice analysis of the problem. it must have been quite frustrating, but fun to figure out. it's still shooting :)
i have that same bushnell on my .22-250. i get sub MOA or better groups all day, i find it to be a great scope
Vortex Optics Viper HS-T Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 6-24x 50mm Side Focus VMR-1 MOA Reticle Matte, I'm happy about it, and easy to play, crispy eyesight.The 308 Savage FCP I have it as a gun smooth and accurate
***** tnoutdoor I have the FCP in the HS precision stock and handload for it. It is a very accurate rifle, with the Viper 6-24 FFP. Fantastic combo, but more like $2k. Anyway, you can't go wrong with that rifle.
Hey Tim check out the SWFA SS line. Really good solid optic, good clarity,30mm tubes, positive tactile adjustments MIL/MIL Fixed 6,10,16,20X scopes for sub $300
What height rings did you use with the PA scope?
Waited so long for part 2!! But i guess indiana did have bad winter also.. Hope to see part 3 sooner!
Part 3 will be putting the FFP through its paces. Confirming tracking and seeing how it holds up to heavy use.
Primary Arms is an excellent company please do more reviews on their stuff.
OUTSTANDING presentation. Dude you're da man.
Common problem with low cost Bushnell scopes. I had one retical drift like that right out of the box, and several did it after shooting with large caliber rifles.
When you get vertical strings like that on the Bushnell it usually means the rear ocular bell is loose
I have a Savage Model 10FP with a 24" heavy barrel and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x50 w/BDC reticule that shoots like a dream... with hand loads. The Savage does poorly with most factory ammo, but once I started loading for it, my groups dropped to (no, I'm not lying) sub 1/4 MOA. 44.0gr of Varget behind a 168gr Hornady match bullet is magic. I am now wanting to upgrade my scope so that I can readily adjust out to 1000yds or more (I live at high elevation) but I'm not a MilRad guy. I have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP w/MOA reticule on my .338 Lapua that I love, but that's almost a $1000 scope on its own, so I will have to look at some other alternatives.
Awesome, I was waiting for this video. Thanks for the consistent quality content.
Need a source for the Wheeler Fat Wrench. Great vids Tim Thank You for sharing and keep up the excellent work
Check out Midway USA, they sell anything a gun can want, cheaper than most $$
I wish you guys would have done the UTG scope. I had the SWAT on an AR I sold and thought it was a hell of a value for the money!
Dont forget the SWFA SS scopes... Great optics at anout that price range
I'm building a .308 AR, keeping budget in mind, shopping around, but going for accuracy. I have budgeted in $500 for an optic, but then I saw the Primary Arms FFP scope, both the one you used in this video and the one with the ACSS/HUD reticle, both obviously under $300. I'm blown away by the apparent quality of the scopes and am pretty much sold...but, my question to you is, given the budget for a scope, are there any better choices out there? FFP is definitely a must for me.
Primary arms has done well for me, they are a great piece at a great pricfe
Great info, I too am building a 1000+ yd rifle, and now you have me thinking about my scope options. Was planning on going with the Vortex Viper Pst 6-24x50 ffp. But if the Primary Arms can deliver the results for 1/3 of the price I may be changing my mind. Thank you , as always for the Honest review of these products.
Nice review.
Just a quick question. I like the look of the last scope you put on the rifle. I think it's the primary arms 4-14x50.
Where could I find a retailer for them and do they export them to Europe. I live in ireland.
Keep up the good work.
I wonder if you could do a long range video with a really "budget rifle " like the Savage axis, mossberg patriot or the Ruger american.
It would also be great to see a if they could be consistant at 1000 with something like the Burris eliminator or other "smart scopes" ( ATN etc).
i put a 280$ 6.5 CM 26" barrel on a 100$ savage 308 from a pawn shop, model 10. put a rifle basix ttrigger on it 145$, and a good heavy stock, and a vortex viper 4-16 FFp i had on a shelf, its a 1 mile gun
Military Arms Channel You defiantly have to a review on ***** ACSS scopes! Awesome video!
I'll say this. SWFA and others in that price range are in trouble if more people start trying out Primary arms 4x14 line. I am terrible at working out firing solutions and now with the ACSS/.308 reticle it takes about 5 seconds and no turret cranking or "0" to be concerned with. Have fun,
Gerry
You should have tried a Falcon Menace 4-14x44, or SWFA Super Sniper fixed power optic in your preferred magnification for the budget you have for glass.
Falcon Menace, Primary Arms, and BSA all produce a 4-14x FFP optic. However only the BSA adjusts in 1/10mil increments and uses the TMD reticle, making it superior to the Primary Arms and Falcon Menace. I run it on my M1A EBR, it's held it's zero for nearly a year of regular shooting.
the falcon does that too.. i own one
slightly different reticles though, it's preference really.
Umm? I was considering purchasing a Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50. This has put some serious doubt about its reliability in my mind.
Same here. I bought a SWFA SS. I chose a 10 power. I love it. It is an awesome scope. I live in Dallas and drove to the SWFA store. Great guys, store and scope.
+Steven Ford I also have to give the nod to SWFA, the Fixed 10x is probably the best scope you can get for $300, I have the 3-15x42mm and It is great. But you cant forget Vortex I had the viper HS-t but wanted a FFP scope so i got the SWFA but the Vortex is incredibly clear, perfect adjustments and durable.
it seems very few companies are putting out quality scopes for budget prices SWFA Vortex and Primary arms are certainly there, Other brands like Nikon, bushnell, and others do have good glass but thats not something that makes up for unreliable turrets.
+ColdWarWarriors The Elite Tactical line is a very nice scope, I bought one myself and got it on my Savage FCPK. Couldn't be happier. At $1000, it's on par with some scopes much more expensive. I wasn't aware of this until about a week ago, but my older cousin who is very involved in all the long range shooting, said that another company actually makes these scopes for Bushnell. I haven't been able to confirm that, but would explain why these scopes are so nice when their other stuff is kinda crappy.
What John Doe said. I have the 6-24x50mm Bushy Elite 7on my Savage 10 FCP-SR (First Gen. Not crappy Gen 2) with the BEST reticle in the world (for me and many others too)..the G2 reticle co developed with George from GA Precision. MANY pro shooters use the next gen Bushy, the 3.5-21x50mm. I am happier with my higher max power 6-24 scope. Super bright and clear at 24X even at twighlight. NO NEED for illuminated reticle.
I do not understand anyone's need for an illuminated reticle with a great scope of this quality. If you can not see your reticle then you need a night vision scope, not an illum reticle. One more thing to go bad, battery to leak..etc.
Buy the G2 NON illum reticle.
The Tac Elites are less expensive and better glass than Vortex PST. I paid $880 for my FFP Tac Elite in 6-24X50mm. Best scope in the world for the money IMO. First time I took it to the range the guy right NEXT to me had the EXACT same scope. LOL.
TAC Elites are HUGELY popular with both Federal and local LEO sniper teams because of the incredible VALUE and RUGGEDNESS that these scopes consistently exhibit along with precise tracking and near Tier One optics. The Bushy 3.5-20x50 goes head to head with Tier One optics in Professional Long Range matches. An increasing number of shooters are finding the Tac Elite to serve their needs better than spending thousands of more dollars (Schmidt and Bender, etc) for not much more performance.
DO YOUR RESEARCH Cold War Warrior. I worry about guys like you owning and using guns. Seriously. The internet is FULL of glowing reviews, videos and extreme torture tests of the Tac Elite you think is so punk.
Sheesh. Do we have to do everything for you guys? There is this BRAND NEW concept called a "Search Engine" Google. Bing etc. Try it, know it, love it.
***** I actually got the BRT-MIL illuminated in 6-24. Illumination just depends on your desired use. I personally love the open circle in the middle, very good target view. As for the illumination, that depends on your plans for the rifle.
Being FFP, when you go out back to 6 power the reticle is so fine it is hard to see in low light. I have a buck on the wall that probable wouldn't be their without the illumination. Only the middle circle lights up, so it not overwhelming when you turn it on.
The G2 is probable superior in bench shooting, but I love mine for bench and hunting.
Everything else is dead on. I did a lot of research before buying mine, the torture tests these things survive are impressive.
Excellent video MAC, glad to see the project is working out. I have had really good luck with several SWFA Super Sniper scopes (now called SS I believe) and Vortex Viper’s when my budget has been tight. I have not tried nor heard of Primary Arms... I look forward to seeing the tracking tests with the PA scope. A other option in the market is always a good.
make sure you do some stress testing of the optic. some people have reported quality issues related to high recoil rifles.
ive nothing against primary arms, in fact i just recieved my md-06L from them and love it. just doing some due diligence as a critic :)
Primary arms shop is down the road from me I will get the scope you used tomorrow then have pick a rifle hope the scope holds up
I love the Primary Arms scope. I want the new 3-18×50.
Hey guys, Check out my episode one of my long range build based off a Remington 700 Long Range! Episode 2 coming out in the very near future. Thanks!
swfa makes some goods stuff as well try them out
What ring height are you using for the scope? Low, Med or High?
Not sure if you've mentioned this but, what ballistics app are you using? Maybe the content would make a good video or blog post!