Congrats on the subs, but you lost half of the games in this video and the other games were won either because of a favorable matchup or the opponent hardly doing anything. How exactly does this prove “New Atraxa is taking over Vintage”? That is right, it doesn’t. It’s a classic example of a new overhyped card that can win when the opponent does nothing or has nothing and this is subsequently presented as proof of how good the card supposedly is. This Atraxa is just a nice card. Nothing more, nothing less. It will not take over any format
I've been really digging these shorter clips featuring the breakdown and the highlights of your featured decks. I feel like you've really carved out a great niche for yourself with this style of video. It hits the sweet spot of being short, but with enough detail to get the point across for those pressed for time. 5 stars. Keep up the great work.
Thank you! I am still working on each video to make it better than the last. I don’t bother with longer content as every other creator does that. Thanks for liking my editing style!
I really like how your channel doesn’t just show a broken deck, but actually plays it. I can’t take anyone seriously who doesn’t actually rent or buy the card
@@RisenSlash yeah, not everyone who has good ideas are able or willing to purchase and show them 😅 This dude just doesn't take poor people seriously I guess, even if they have good deck ideas.
Unlike in commander the 7/7 vigilance lifelink body just completely shuts down games in other formats, plus counter spells are better when theres one guy you need to lock down
The big question many players are asking is why you would ever cheat into play Atraxa over Griselbrand, who can draw way more cards far more consistently. Well 3:35 is a clear example why Atraxa is better than Griselbrand. Life totals matter, even in Vintage (or maybe especially in Vintage, given how popular Bazaar and Workshop based aggro decks are). Griselbrand wouldn't be able to activate here nor could he attack without dying on the crackback, so eventually the Nettlecyst would outgrow Griselbrand and force you to chump block and then lose next turn. Atraxa is basically Griselbrand + Sphinx of the Steel Wind in one card; vigilance is so, so good on a large lifelinker. Also, pitching to Force of Will and Force of Vigor is really solid when you have redundant payoffs in hand, whereas multiple Griselbrands rotting in the hand is a death sentence.
Wow I have never watched vintage before so seeing such insane t1 plays or games that last 10+ turns is crazy, truly a hell of a format led by a new card ready to take vintage by storm
6:40 obviously it worked out but as soon as i saw their forbidden orchard my first thought was to vamp for an orchard of our own. digging 10 for one also makes a lot of sense especially when all of ours are still in our deck
@@HarryMTG Yeah, just think of how many games you've lost using atraxa when the opponent is on 1 life with 5 1/1 flying squirrels and is going to beat you next turn, make the switch
what an ending line atrxa is vintage power level, reasoning: it pitches to force of will, it also pitches to force of negation, and i guess if you really need to know it is also an unbeatable 3 turn clock that has dig through time on steroids as effect, but it DOES pitch to force of will
So how do you think this compares to Griselbrand? Like you said, it pitches to the forces, and If you're playing from behind, vigilance + not costing life for the cards is nice upside, but it's hard to compete with just how many cards the g-man gives you.
In formats like Legacy and Vintage, the power level of the cards you can get with Atraxa is gonna win you the game, so drawing less cards isn’t a big deal
You can haven multiple creatures in the deck to flash or Oath into play. The only difference with much older Oath of Druids builds is the creature he's digging up, there's builds digging up Darkstel Colossi, Akroma, Eldrazi going years baack. Just shows the power creep of creatures over the years.
Doing something right away regardless of life total & Vigilance are a much bigger deal than we gave it credit for. In this format Atraxa is better. In Commander Atraxa isn’t quite as degenerate as Griselbrand early game, however, Atraxa scales incredibly well in late game. Comparing 2 blowouts, it’s nearly splitting hairs, but Atraxa>
Play Gaea's Blessing , ought to be a standard include when running an Oath deck. If you don't deck urself, you can at least retrieve stuff from the graveyard and tutor for it again.
There's no good tribal spells in vintage, really. There's somewhat of an argument for "Not of this World" but not really. Favor of the Mighty is cute, but too cute for vintage lol
Kitchen table: A 7/7 with flying and vigilance? I have no way to deal with that! Modern: Doom Blade. Vintage: A 7/7 with flying and vigilance? I have no way to deal with that!
I bought 4 paper copies for a total of $32 the next day it went to 40 then 60 I kinda got a mini heart attack. If I waited even one day i would have been screwed lol. Atraxa is seeing play in legacy especially because it's a natural order target and I have seen it in pioneer and standard. I imagine being similar to griselbrand and with solitude in modern it will see play there too
Try going RUG like your mirror match opponent, tarfire replaces nameless inversion as Tribal card. Underworld Breach is better enchantment than Yawgmoth's bargain and also fills Yawgmoth's Will's role. Would Narset have room here? It has felt pretty powerful inesper saga and Sheoldred wheels although in this last it has bit of anti synergy with Orchard giving opponent Kavus to pressure Narset with.
I get your reasoning, but I still disagree with the Force on the Lotus. IMO the only times you Force of Will Lotus are 1) when it's your only option (ie, they don't have to cast anything else) OR 2) when they're gonna use it to play multiple cards you need to stop. Here there's not that much chance of #2 and #1 is off the table. A lot of the time your Force is going to hold up vs a deck playing workshops so I would have held it to try and stop t1 trinisphere or something similar. Edit: I paused right when you started talking about it, typed this, unpaused and he slammed Lodestone. Wouldn't have mattered anyways 😂
why dpes oko at 2:16 have the zendikar rising set symbol instead of the eldraine set symbol, even if there is eldraine as the set the card is from on the bottom of oko?
What are you doing in the Oath Mirror!?! You vamp for Orchard. You side out 2+ Oaths, 1 S&T, 1 Manacrypt, Bargain. Bring in LD. Do not side out counterspells. Not running 4 wastes and 1 strip is a mistake. side in 2 artifact destruction and counters. Why cast oath if your opponent will for you? Bargain is weak in the blue mirror. Oath of Druids makes the deck, not the creature. Treat this build like a control deck don't rely on the creature you choose and brute forcing it out.
Reminds me of Tarmogoyf and it's card type clause that determines its power. This is exceptionally powerful, one is a graveyard (needs mill effects), the other is your library (pure card advantage).
@@danlorett2184 I'm aware it's vintage I've played it for 20+ years now, second blessings has saved me in a few games allowing my forces to be redrawn.
It doesn't draw cards. It literally puts cards into your hand without drawing them. And if you don't have a lot of different card types in your deck then you get fewer cards. It's not the penultimate card but, depending on the deck you put it in it's a pretty good card stat wise as well.
Honestly its so nuts I dont understand why people didn't realise it, the text is literally draw 6 on etb, and it's ridiculous on board, dosent even matter if its removed because you can just do it again next turn.
I actually don't think the forbidden orchard play would have mattered. They could make a spirit on your endstep, then another on their upkeep. Unless the oath trigger doesn't go on the stack if conditions aren't met, getting the orchard into play would not have mattered
I laughed my ass off as you present a vintage deck with all the goodies and then proceed to say „Atraxa costs 90$, this video was really expensive“ 😂 Sure that’s not cheap but have you checked the price on the other cards of the deck? 😂
Don't get this in the wrong way, but "putting a card into your hand" is not drawing a card, the difference here is significant as it will not satisfy triggers looking up for drawing cards. I get it that it's similar to drawing but clarify that then, maybe talk about card advantage, just don't call it drawing cards because that's wrong. Aside from that, great video.
You are so salty about Null Rod lmfao you know why people play it, to stop moxes, lotus, and other powerful artifacts from going online. Come on now bro, other than that, great video.
Card quality > number of cards. Don’t care if I draw 14 cards if 7 of them are lands. Never mind going 10 cards deep in older formats will be good odds to to just get enough value from for it to not matter. Plus she has vigilance which is a HUGE upside.
She can be pitched to force of will, force of negation, force of vigor, endurance, solitude, you can use natural order to get her has vigilance which let's you attack and defend with lifelink making racing her extremely hard, is 1 less mana making her that much more castable, has death touch allowing you to trade up so even if your opponent has a 20/20 if it's not indestructible you can trade. And it's an etb to get cards meaning you don't spend life and aggro can't stop you from essentially drawing oh and speaking on that doesn't get stopped by sheoldred
And they are showing games won because of favorable circumstances as proof of how good this card supposedly is. As with a shitload of cards it’s a nice card that can win you a game when it goes unopposed. It’s not anything format breaking
@@1Fsypro no idea why you think that would mean she needs a ban. Griselbrand is rather old at this point and the power level has gone to a point where he can get pushed a little bit. She’s also not a strict upgrade. Sometimes drawing 14-21 cards (depending) with no other investment other than the life is way more important than what cards you get. She’s just a variant that has a higher max power level but the average will be closer to griselbrand anyway.
@@NotSoSerious69420 lmao well this makes sense. I had two videos open about atraxa. One EDH one (where griselbrand is banned) and this one. I made the comment on the wrong video lol
@@1Fsypro oh that’s fair. I think she’s WAY less likely to get banned in commander since griselbrand is WAY stronger in commander than any other format since you can, if you still have 40 life, drawing 35 cards is WAY stronger in combo. She’s pretty good for mid range but if she’s someone’s commander she’s probably just never going to hit the field because her getting to the field is a huge issue.
Thank you all for 20K subs!
bruh, I love the way you organize your hand, putting the lesser mana value cards to the right! I do the same heehee
Congrats on the subs, but you lost half of the games in this video and the other games were won either because of a favorable matchup or the opponent hardly doing anything. How exactly does this prove “New Atraxa is taking over Vintage”? That is right, it doesn’t. It’s a classic example of a new overhyped card that can win when the opponent does nothing or has nothing and this is subsequently presented as proof of how good the card supposedly is. This Atraxa is just a nice card. Nothing more, nothing less. It will not take over any format
I've been really digging these shorter clips featuring the breakdown and the highlights of your featured decks. I feel like you've really carved out a great niche for yourself with this style of video. It hits the sweet spot of being short, but with enough detail to get the point across for those pressed for time. 5 stars. Keep up the great work.
Thank you! I am still working on each video to make it better than the last. I don’t bother with longer content as every other creator does that. Thanks for liking my editing style!
Vintage: the format where board wars are about having less creatures than your opponent, not more.
I really like how your channel doesn’t just show a broken deck, but actually plays it. I can’t take anyone seriously who doesn’t actually rent or buy the card
This sounds almost a little classist lmao
@@RisenSlash yeah, not everyone who has good ideas are able or willing to purchase and show them 😅
This dude just doesn't take poor people seriously I guess, even if they have good deck ideas.
@@RisenSlash Vintage is an inherently exceptionally classist format, which is saying something for MTG.
As a commander-only player, man - new Atraxa really flew under the radar for me - bonkers what this does in vintage! Ho-ly!
Unlike in commander the 7/7 vigilance lifelink body just completely shuts down games in other formats, plus counter spells are better when theres one guy you need to lock down
She few under my radar too till I tried her as my commander over lil traxa and I haven't gone back
The big question many players are asking is why you would ever cheat into play Atraxa over Griselbrand, who can draw way more cards far more consistently. Well 3:35 is a clear example why Atraxa is better than Griselbrand. Life totals matter, even in Vintage (or maybe especially in Vintage, given how popular Bazaar and Workshop based aggro decks are). Griselbrand wouldn't be able to activate here nor could he attack without dying on the crackback, so eventually the Nettlecyst would outgrow Griselbrand and force you to chump block and then lose next turn. Atraxa is basically Griselbrand + Sphinx of the Steel Wind in one card; vigilance is so, so good on a large lifelinker. Also, pitching to Force of Will and Force of Vigor is really solid when you have redundant payoffs in hand, whereas multiple Griselbrands rotting in the hand is a death sentence.
Wow I have never watched vintage before so seeing such insane t1 plays or games that last 10+ turns is crazy, truly a hell of a format led by a new card ready to take vintage by storm
6:40 obviously it worked out but as soon as i saw their forbidden orchard my first thought was to vamp for an orchard of our own. digging 10 for one also makes a lot of sense especially when all of ours are still in our deck
You have the most engaging vintage content on UA-cam, you do a great job explaining your lines and thought processes.
Atraxa is a house. Might even be in Colossal Dreadmaw tier
Not too sure to be honest. Think Dreadmaw might fit better in this list now you point it out...
@@HarryMTG Yeah, just think of how many games you've lost using atraxa when the opponent is on 1 life with 5 1/1 flying squirrels and is going to beat you next turn, make the switch
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Your grind is insane man, especially with the quality of your videos. Keep it up!
what an ending line atrxa is vintage power level, reasoning: it pitches to force of will, it also pitches to force of negation, and i guess if you really need to know it is also an unbeatable 3 turn clock that has dig through time on steroids as effect, but it DOES pitch to force of will
So how do you think this compares to Griselbrand? Like you said, it pitches to the forces, and If you're playing from behind, vigilance + not costing life for the cards is nice upside, but it's hard to compete with just how many cards the g-man gives you.
I’d argue she’s better, much better. You can blink her for value, doesn’t cost life to draw cards, pitches to two of the best elements and force.
In formats like Legacy and Vintage, the power level of the cards you can get with Atraxa is gonna win you the game, so drawing less cards isn’t a big deal
You can haven multiple creatures in the deck to flash or Oath into play.
The only difference with much older Oath of Druids builds is the creature he's digging up, there's builds digging up Darkstel Colossi, Akroma, Eldrazi going years baack.
Just shows the power creep of creatures over the years.
Doing something right away regardless of life total & Vigilance are a much bigger deal than we gave it credit for. In this format Atraxa is better. In Commander Atraxa isn’t quite as degenerate as Griselbrand early game, however, Atraxa scales incredibly well in late game. Comparing 2 blowouts, it’s nearly splitting hairs, but Atraxa>
@rey_nemaattori it wasn't too long ago that inferno titan was a great pick. Only going back 3 years or so, if that.
Play Gaea's Blessing , ought to be a standard include when running an Oath deck.
If you don't deck urself, you can at least retrieve stuff from the graveyard and tutor for it again.
It is standard when running an Oath deck.
You can also get Tribal spells in addition to the ones listed
Are world enchantments still separate from normal enchantments? If so those too lol.
@@NotSoSerious69420 World is still a thing, but that's a supertype rather than a card type, so it doesn't count for Atraxa.
There's no good tribal spells in vintage, really. There's somewhat of an argument for "Not of this World" but not really. Favor of the Mighty is cute, but too cute for vintage lol
Everytime I watch a vintage game it reminds me how bad savanna lions are.
You take that back!
@@Eldritch_Panda31 never!
Kitchen table: A 7/7 with flying and vigilance? I have no way to deal with that!
Modern: Doom Blade.
Vintage: A 7/7 with flying and vigilance? I have no way to deal with that!
She not a valid target for doom blade
@@Eldritch_Panda31 LOL you right
Great video.
Man, Atraxa is strong. Wish I got one at 7 euros!
Maybe I'll open one up at my LGS!
Keep up the great content!
I bought 4 paper copies for a total of $32 the next day it went to 40 then 60 I kinda got a mini heart attack. If I waited even one day i would have been screwed lol.
Atraxa is seeing play in legacy especially because it's a natural order target and I have seen it in pioneer and standard. I imagine being similar to griselbrand and with solitude in modern it will see play there too
Hello harrymtg was you at the axion event in Birmingham on the weekend of 18th and 19th of February?
I was pretty happy that atraxa went up in price. It's a good feeling when you already had a copy lol
You do not counter black lotus vs workshops. It's situationally correct vs many decks but generally you do it only against Mono W.
This is great I traded an Elesh Norn for this Atraxa and some other cards. Hopefully her value goes up.
Became a fan of you once I saw you on the Cardmarket youtube channel. Always fun to watch you play!
Try going RUG like your mirror match opponent, tarfire replaces nameless inversion as Tribal card. Underworld Breach is better enchantment than Yawgmoth's bargain and also fills Yawgmoth's Will's role. Would Narset have room here? It has felt pretty powerful inesper saga and Sheoldred wheels although in this last it has bit of anti synergy with Orchard giving opponent Kavus to pressure Narset with.
Thid is magic as Richard Garfield intended
as soon as we get battle, atraxa get's possibly one more card... lul
That's awesome actually
I get your reasoning, but I still disagree with the Force on the Lotus. IMO the only times you Force of Will Lotus are 1) when it's your only option (ie, they don't have to cast anything else) OR 2) when they're gonna use it to play multiple cards you need to stop. Here there's not that much chance of #2 and #1 is off the table. A lot of the time your Force is going to hold up vs a deck playing workshops so I would have held it to try and stop t1 trinisphere or something similar.
Edit: I paused right when you started talking about it, typed this, unpaused and he slammed Lodestone. Wouldn't have mattered anyways 😂
why dpes oko at 2:16 have the zendikar rising set symbol instead of the eldraine set symbol, even if there is eldraine as the set the card is from on the bottom of oko?
What are you doing in the Oath Mirror!?! You vamp for Orchard. You side out 2+ Oaths, 1 S&T, 1 Manacrypt, Bargain. Bring in LD. Do not side out counterspells. Not running 4 wastes and 1 strip is a mistake. side in 2 artifact destruction and counters. Why cast oath if your opponent will for you? Bargain is weak in the blue mirror. Oath of Druids makes the deck, not the creature. Treat this build like a control deck don't rely on the creature you choose and brute forcing it out.
And remember yall, on the HarryMTG channel, we never miss a topdeck.
Wotc has completely abandoned balance in every format.
Reminds me of Tarmogoyf and it's card type clause that determines its power. This is exceptionally powerful, one is a graveyard (needs mill effects), the other is your library (pure card advantage).
Harry do you stream?
Another awesome video as always!
Good to see Oath has a new toy.
Lets go Oath deck!
Your Videos are super well made, keep it up
Kicking myself for not picking up a few of these when they were only a few bucks last week.
I don’t watch a lot of vintage stuff, so I forget how stupid the format can be sometimes. That m1g2 was a great reminder I just started laughing
I traded away my skrelv for an atraxa about a week ago. Bet that guy is kicking himself now
Yoxmoth Will
Why draw 6 on turn 1, when you can win turn 0?
Are you not running and emerakul or gaeas blessing?
Blessing is bad with Dig thru Time, Emrakul(s) triggers don't work with Flash
Also Emrakul doesn't pitch to anything
@@danlorett2184 Blessing is a requirement for an Oath deck. You will flop to losing all your big cards.
@@Eldritch_Panda31 This is vintage, if that happens you're way dead anyways
@@danlorett2184 I'm aware it's vintage I've played it for 20+ years now, second blessings has saved me in a few games allowing my forces to be redrawn.
Wizards be like: "How can we make Vintage even _more_ degenerate?"
It doesn't draw cards. It literally puts cards into your hand without drawing them. And if you don't have a lot of different card types in your deck then you get fewer cards. It's not the penultimate card but, depending on the deck you put it in it's a pretty good card stat wise as well.
why does it say the oko was from zendikar rising
Honestly its so nuts I dont understand why people didn't realise it, the text is literally draw 6 on etb, and it's ridiculous on board, dosent even matter if its removed because you can just do it again next turn.
It is not taking over anything. It’s just the latest FOMO netdeck hype that will die once the newness factor has worn off which will be soon
I actually don't think the forbidden orchard play would have mattered. They could make a spirit on your endstep, then another on their upkeep. Unless the oath trigger doesn't go on the stack if conditions aren't met, getting the orchard into play would not have mattered
Oath trigger doesn’t go on the stack unless conditions are met yep
There's a clear difference between PUTTING A CARD IN YOUR HAND and DRAWING CARDS
I really don't get how this is more powerful than griselbrand, need explanatioin there
this is so degen, i love it
How exactly did you cheat Atraxa into play
can you make a deck with training grounds for modern pls
I don't feel exactly good selling my Atraxa 2 weeks ago for 9€ and now she is at 25€.
It will be back to €12/15 soon once the overhype has worn off
@@tbd3058 To be honest, the decks using it are quite convincing to me.
Oh shoot, they forgot to write "if you cast it" on Atraxa. Oh well.
Yes yes, play atraxa... play her... buy her... make me rich...
TIL you can fuck up playing Oath.
This format is bonkers...
+ like for the pricetag of this video
I laughed my ass off as you present a vintage deck with all the goodies and then proceed to say „Atraxa costs 90$, this video was really expensive“ 😂 Sure that’s not cheap but have you checked the price on the other cards of the deck? 😂
Vintage is mad af
Now 28€ on cardmarket
Comment for the algorithm.
It's hard, but I can get it out on turn 1 in modern.
Don't get this in the wrong way, but "putting a card into your hand" is not drawing a card, the difference here is significant as it will not satisfy triggers looking up for drawing cards. I get it that it's similar to drawing but clarify that then, maybe talk about card advantage, just don't call it drawing cards because that's wrong. Aside from that, great video.
Vintage feels like yu gi oh lol
You basically won via commander damage in round 1
Ho, so that why this thing have gone from 5 to 25 euro in the last week. I should have bought one when i had the occasion
So games are mostly decided on turn 1.. I'm confused how this is a fun format
Ahhh I traded her at prerelease
First time seeing competitive vintage. Thanks, I hate it.
Whooooaaa broken in a format no one plays, neato
no--- it DOES nothing
This was so gross
What a bunch of non-games. So worth it! 🙄
When you concete on turn 2 and act like it's normal. Tells me you have been broken by a way to fast meta
I think she will be banned in vintage.
How - in this world - can you play a brainstorm who is not from ice age.
You should be ashamed.
And also Force of Will 🫢
Oath of Druids is a stupid card.
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You are so salty about Null Rod lmfao you know why people play it, to stop moxes, lotus, and other powerful artifacts from going online. Come on now bro, other than that, great video.
“Null Rod does nothing” is a running joke in the vintage community
You should really read the cards flavourtext sometime...
@@HarryMTG ahhhh my bad, I don't play vintage enough to know that
@@lordflashheart3741 ya I just did and feel so dumb >.< Good ol Hanna
i dont belive the hype. imo people just try to experiment with new cards. I dont see why Atraxa is better than a griselbrand...
Card quality > number of cards. Don’t care if I draw 14 cards if 7 of them are lands. Never mind going 10 cards deep in older formats will be good odds to to just get enough value from for it to not matter. Plus she has vigilance which is a HUGE upside.
She can be pitched to force of will, force of negation, force of vigor, endurance, solitude, you can use natural order to get her has vigilance which let's you attack and defend with lifelink making racing her extremely hard, is 1 less mana making her that much more castable, has death touch allowing you to trade up so even if your opponent has a 20/20 if it's not indestructible you can trade. And it's an etb to get cards meaning you don't spend life and aggro can't stop you from essentially drawing oh and speaking on that doesn't get stopped by sheoldred
And they are showing games won because of favorable circumstances as proof of how good this card supposedly is. As with a shitload of cards it’s a nice card that can win you a game when it goes unopposed. It’s not anything format breaking
Really hopin nu atraxa eats a ban. boring design and way too powerful
She’s no where near that strong lmao. She’s no Oko she’s just a different variant of griselbrand
She's not a side grade to grisel. She is being used as a strict upgrade.
@@1Fsypro no idea why you think that would mean she needs a ban. Griselbrand is rather old at this point and the power level has gone to a point where he can get pushed a little bit. She’s also not a strict upgrade. Sometimes drawing 14-21 cards (depending) with no other investment other than the life is way more important than what cards you get. She’s just a variant that has a higher max power level but the average will be closer to griselbrand anyway.
@@NotSoSerious69420 lmao well this makes sense. I had two videos open about atraxa. One EDH one (where griselbrand is banned) and this one. I made the comment on the wrong video lol
@@1Fsypro oh that’s fair. I think she’s WAY less likely to get banned in commander since griselbrand is WAY stronger in commander than any other format since you can, if you still have 40 life, drawing 35 cards is WAY stronger in combo. She’s pretty good for mid range but if she’s someone’s commander she’s probably just never going to hit the field because her getting to the field is a huge issue.
i took the bait and bought a set. nothing near grisselbran good