To see more style on Style fights, please go to this playlist: ua-cam.com/video/BlqVv0n0zJM/v-deo.html Also, to see how to do a kimura lock (that we saw in this match): ua-cam.com/video/SnLuzJi23MA/v-deo.html To see how to do an arm triangle (that we saw in this match): ua-cam.com/video/_0p90C3-62A/v-deo.html To see a Judo vs Muay Thai match, please go here: ua-cam.com/video/kuLfnyqwst0/v-deo.html
Brandon Clark thats the thing though, the Judoka was taking his sweet time establishing dominance and control thus stalling. They also got to keep entertainment in mind, and honestly at a black belt level vs a non grappler, a Judoka should be able to submit fairly quick and easy.
The Judo guy exposed two weaknesses of 90% of TKD practioners. They rely on kicks too much and haven't been trained in punching, blocking and grappling (which does exist in TKD). The second is TKD is really shyt for sparring, more so than alot of other MA.
To be honest in Tae Kwon Do throwing punches during a match as well as sparring is not really totally against the rules per say but the reason why punches are not really used or seen are mainly because punches are not allowed to be thrown to the head,punches that are considered to not have hit hard don't count and plus compared to other techniques a punch tend to score so low on Tae Kwon Dos point system that they practically don't even really count for anything anyway and thus all of those factors make punches despite not being totally illegal not really worth it to try to attempt and in Tae Kwon do and even though certain other stuff which is not really practiced in a fight or sparring are done in pre arranged forms those prearranged forms do not really necessarily do the best at preparing you to perform techniques in an actual match or fight especially when you haven't actually been using them in competitions or practicing them during sparring.
@@kennethrogers1129 I practice old school TKD taught directly to me by 1 of the 3 original masters that came to the US to teach, GM Sang Kyu Shim. So yeah, I am aware of the difference in traditional TKD and the McDojos that started popping up in the 80's that comprise the majority of schools and their successors out here.
When I first started trying different martial arts I did Tae Kwon Do for a while and I remember I fell on my arse once practicing high kicks. The class laughed but the teacher made me feel better by telling me he has done if before too.
@@chadelliottfahlman Second time he got the TKD guy on the ground, he just went into full mount and got the hooks in, he gets stood up. I was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
@@BiggieSmokes187 yeahh like bruhh judo is a ground martial if your gonna compare them both your gonna allow them both to have advantage and tkd can have advantage at kicking just like the martial art teach you and judo have the advantage on the ground if you don’t allow ground game then don’t bring judo to it because judo is a ground martial art
@@tidakada7357 I wouldn't know if Okinawan were good wrestlers or not. But Okinawan karate had a close combat main focus. Japanese made a Japanese martial art out of karate by using their Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu mindset which obviously don't really work for hands to hands combat. To me karate is cool but it's more a promotion and a way to keep Japanese medieval fighting culture than anything. However I have to say modern karate is amazing for speed and explosiveness.
That's awesome. I don't do wrestling( I am a kickboxer) but I know takedowns and takedown defence I created my own style. Wrestling is highly effective. That's great your son is doing wrestling he will become a strong athlete.
Honestly the judo guy went easy on him...I mean he could have chocked him in a matter of seconds when the taekwondo guy was on the ground. And with gloves imagine how difficult it is.
My Tae Kwon Do instructor was a 7th Dan taught from general Choi in Korea. He was taught many throws takedowns and grappling techniques at black belt level
Moo Sul Kwan , we do judo, hapkido and taekwondo, to have comprehensive martial art skills, takes a long time to learn all that, out original GM advised to get a black belt in one first , then add the others. Hapkido is my favorite, and use TKD and JUDO for combat experience, however limited by rules for safety. Apparently in this match low kick , elbows, knees were illegal, and the Tkd guy had no grappling experience , not smart.
Guys... judo rules aren't like in bjj. If you take too long to do a submission then the 2 judokas get to their feet again. So this is fair for the judoka because this is how they compete anyways
@@CommunismiEstCacas as far as boxing us concerned, the Mayweather style of running out the clock, wearing the opponent out over 10 rounds... It's a great and smart strategy for boxing, awful for a fight. Bar right, Tyson v Mayweather, Tyson wins.
I think in Judo there is a rule where you only have 15 or so seconds on the ground to get the submission. So I think the rule set they were fighting under had a similar idea to that. So even though it’s annoying to not being able to see the Judo guy work on the ground that’s probably the same amount of time he’d get in a Judo match.
Yes and no, if you get a submission and they tap it’s an immediate win, if you trap them for 10-19 seconds you get half a point, 20 seconds is an immediate win
Interesting seeing as I've done both.. and have the same feelings toward TKD as Joe Rogan. I did it for YEARS and it left me with no hands and no grappling at all. At least I can do Judo and sporadically burst out some Hwarang tekken kicks.
I already knew the rules would be biased against the judo guy tbh.... But the thing is,I'm a brown belt in karate but stopped training for 3 years but trained in judo for 2 years..... Once I got into MMA shortly after turning 19 most of my karate went out the door and my judo was the only thing that (kinda) saved me.... I'd think it would be the same for TKD in my honest opinion
Karate and tdk are just fine. You need to spar tho. And you need to cover the four parts of martial arts, punching, kicking, wrestling, and submission grappling. If your karate went out the door you were no good. Same for taekwondo, same for judo. That's like a boxer not punching in mma sparring. No good.
You'd give it to the TKD guy???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WIth all of those kicks and punches that you say landed, the Judoka didn't even slow down, or stagger, or...... You have no reasoning skills, period. If the judoka accomplished nothing in 4 seconds, the ref stood him up. But when the TKD guy did the chicken dance and ran away for 30 minutes at a time, they didn't put him on the ground with the judoka on top of him, which would have been the only fair thing to do. EVERY TIME THE JUDOKA STARTED TO WIN, THE REF STOPPED HIM. But they let the TKD guy do the Mayweather dance. Even at that, the Judoka entirely won that. But the judoka should learn some judo. He could have easily done a gi choke on him at one point. Several armbars, the triangle, etc., were within easy reach, and he couldn't finish the Kimura. But he still won that by a huge margin. You don't get points for glancing blows in boxing, I don't see why you should in full contact TMA fighting.If there had been any good kicks or punches, the judoka would have gone down, or staggered, or been k.o.'d
carnivalwrestler The Tae Kwon Do fighter seemed like the better fighter overall, and had an impressive fight IQ. The Judoka was almost retarded in comparison as far as fight IQ goes.
@El Bottoo Boxing is my favorite sport and favorite technique for street fighting. I've been a boxing fan since I was a kid, and I got to punch Gene Fullmer in the plexus when he was champ, if that tells you anything about how long I've been into the sweet science. LOL, when the bjj dudes start selling their propaganda about 90% of the fights going to the ground, they must be a) talking about third graders, or b) talking about my fights, where I hit my assailant, and he goes to the ground (or just doubles over wishing he had never been born). When a tkd guy lands a kick on your head cleanly, you're going to know about it ... when you eventually wake up. To be fair, I think this tkd guy was slow, don't believe it, take a look at some tkd tournaments. Those guys are explosive with full body rotation in their kicks. Good kickers. This judoka was extremely poor on ground skills. So I think they were evenly matched skill wise per their styles, but I'd like to see a judoka with good ground techniques against a really quick tkd practitioner. Maybe they ought to have style vs style tournaments with some medium-to-highly skilled players. That could be very interesting.
@El Bottoo The ref did step in and stop ongoing submissions. The kimura and the arm triangel could very well have been successful but the ref didn't let him finish. I also seriously doubt that the judo guy had pain for weeks after this
This is from a production called Ganryujima. The rule set includes rules that govern ground fighting. Most fights can only be on the ground for 15 seconds at a time, but special rules can be agreed upon by fighters to increase the ground game to 30 seconds.
I believe the arm triangle failed because he was only locking it up with a gable grip. He needed to slide the neck hug through deeper to grab his bicep, similar to the RNC. I'm sure the gloves made it difficult to do that.
Matthew Van Helden honestly in my opinion the Judoka had more than enough time. He got stood up quick because he used side control to stall and not to actively pursue a submission. If the Judoka where against a fellow grappler then yea it takes more time, but against a non grappler, at a blackbelt level a Judoka should be able to submit someone fairly quickly and easy.
“How do you not submit them when you have the arm triangle” The arm triangle has to be perfectly set up and controlled. Even good submission specialists such as myself have trouble with it sometimes. Judo does not teach punches
I understand where the ref is coming from - he wants to keep the action flowing for the sake of the show. But realistically, being stood back up or not, Judo guy won hands down.
The judo guy deserved the win 100% the tkd had some flashy kicks that didn't do much damage and he was saved by the ref everytime the judo guy put him in a kimura
As a taekwondo practitioner i already knew the result. The taekwondin lacks in force. He just doesnt know what to do. Grappling and grounding are fundamental in every way
5:19 There is Atemi-waza, or strikng techniques in Judo, depending on where you train you may or may not be taught it. I train the Olympic Rules Judo so we dont learn Atemi-waza (but the coachs their throw in self defence stuff as well)
Judo guy not well rounded that’s why he don’t do anything once in the ground. Also the ref is favouring the tkd guy by standing them up way to fast. But yeah tkd guy had no chances and he wasn’t supposed to
Grappling exists since ancient Greece is the oldest art of fight, I don't understand how traditional Martial Arts neglect the training of Grappling TWD Modern is so limited.
Striking isn't better than grappling, but grappling isn't better than striking. They are like a man and a woman. They complement each other. Each has its own merit. They're stronger together than alone.
I'm a Jeet Kune Do guy...and I hate being on the ground. I'm a striker at heart and always will be. But JKD students started training in BJJ for a reason.
As some who took bjj and tkd afterwards, it was an adult class with 3 hours a class, 1 hour endurance training, 1 techniques, 1 hour sparring. The sparing was essentially MMA with a slew of others knowing alot of different martial arts, alot of wrestlers, judokas, muy Thai, amd kickboxing in the class, only one other bjj guy, it was the funnest class I've ever taken
i dont practice tkd but one thing its good at is being overwhelming, especially with their switch stances and faints. theyre like whirlwinds of legs lol, did not see this here. the tkd guy was shook
I was very fortunate that in my martial arts experience our Grand Master, was a GM of TKD, Hapkido, and Judo. He trained black belts in all three martial arts and we were always cross training. We would do Tkd tournaments, and Judo tournaments and do Hapkido self defense. Actually Hapkido is like TKD and Judo combined plus more joint manipulations, throws, chokes, vicious strikes that are not in Judo or TKD, so I was pretty lucky coming up as a kid being exposed to that comprehensive type attitude of martial arts practice, pretty much the first MMA back in the 60’s and 70;s Moo Sul Kwan Martial Arts. You have to have common sense about it, if you feel your opponent is a grappler then you have to be very careful and keep your balance, be patient and let him run into a hard strike as he closes distance, of course it helps a lot if you know judo as well as have good striking,
If i was the tkd i would have kept using the low kicks. Because it looked like judo guy was getting damaged by the low kicks and they are hard to grab.
A judoka doesn't mind a few low kicks. When he closed the gap you are done to be thrown to the ground. Low kicks and even high kicks have no power as a judoka got very close to you. You can say I will try to keep my distance from him and keep delivering that low kicks. For how long can you keep your distance? How far do you think you can run? A judoka will chases you, catches you, grapples you and finally throws you to the ground, pins you and go for submissions like chokes, armbars etc. Speaking from experience. You want to fight a judoka? Learn judo.
A good calf slicer should remove some of the Judokas ability to leverage his weight and compromise his guard. He will want to defend against low kicks after the initial connection, so the TKD fighter should answer with punches up high. In and out footwork should be a speciality in TKD, but were not really seeing it here. Decent mid-level match however
The TKD guy's arm was 2 seconds away from becoming a spaghetti arm and the ref stood them up. You could see that the TKD guy was obviously hurt from that
That arm triangle sucked total ass, wasn't even close xD. As your mate said, it was the judokas hip being way too high, allows the guy on bottom to turn in without just turning further into the choke. Arm triangle actually has quite a few little intricacies that make them not work.
It was a submission by verbal, tap or the refs decision,that's how they score a point then ,they stand them back up its a demonstration not a proper fight ,and if the ref didn't stop it ,it would of been a dislocated shoulder,for sure you'll find he's uses an extended arm technique so as not to rupture the elbow joint.
The referee knows what he is doing. He stops the fight just before the judo guy is going to submit him every time. Otherwise, the fight would just last a few seconds. It's not a real fight. It's a demonstration
@@z4743 thats a vague and ignorant statement. If anything, grappling will save you out of trouble, think about it people don't need to be trained in order to grab a hold of your shirt/clinching senseless. If you are a explosive grappler, you can still takedown multiple people. Biggest advantage of grappling is not only you can control your violence and others violence and movement, you can also use it to get out of tricky positions when you are in trouble. Everyone can throw a sloppy punch but not everybody can grapple in street.
@@shiro703 you will also get stomped against multiple attackers in street. A good boxer might do better against multiple people but imagine this you are using your footwork and knocking dudes out, bang somebody rushes to you and gets a hold of you, Its cool but then you realze his pal next to your side just stabbed you. No one should fight multiple opponents, unlike striking grappling is scaleable, meaning you can control the amount of violence you can use on someone , you can control them and talk sende to them, you can throw them and knock them out or potentialy cripple them, you can take him down and break every part of his bones, you can choke him out and he won't remember thing (keeping you out of law suit, unluke striking)
Judo in Japan are excellent ! See how the TKD Korean karate guy gets lost on the ground. Thanks for this video! Fun and enjoyable! No way Karate guy won!
I do judo. BJJ. Kickboxing and boxing. (Hopefully mma one day) but I can confirm as a white belt. That black belt could’ve EASILY arm barred or choked that tkd dude.
I did taekwondo I am a green belt with blue stripe I won 2 medals silver metal first and then a bronze medal. Taekwondo is the best. I moved to Seattle Washington from Las Vegas Nevada so I had to stop but when I’m 18 I will go back to Las Vegas and continue. I do better.
The judo guy had many chances to do an arm submission , funny he must have not learned that! Referee gave the TKD guy to many fucken breaks. Ok , but not a great fight.
This type of TKD fighter is the type I like the least being black belt in TKD myself. My school was clearly much more well rounded than his and focused more on effectiveness than sport.
Hey, guys, I do bjj alongside other martial arts but my takedowns suck really bad, can you tell me what style of judo is the Olympic style that focuses takedowns? Cheers
This is excellent proof why Gracie modifies Jiujitsu is. So important. Set up submissions with strikes . This guy should have watched like one gracuesbin action fight and he would have beat him in the first round
Interesting... As a young man, 47 now, I competed in judo and wtf taekwondo. If I was up against myself it would've been a heliuva rumble. Maybe a judokick and a taekwondothrow😀..
6:23 “I think he had a perfect arm triangle”--Nope, he did not, if you’ve ever trained BJJ or proper Judo Newaza, you’d know that was the sloppiest arm triangle on the face of the earth hahahaha
It's a shame how the promotion has such a lack of understanding of fighting. I don't even think the ref knows that he disrupted multiple finishes and he was giving the other guy a huge handicap
Looks like there are rules that we as spectators aren't made aware of. I'm assuming it's to avoid having a match drag out for a long period of time with no action on the ground, but I see no other reason for them to continuously separate. That TaeKwonDo guy looked uncomfortable with his own techniques too..
I would like to see that taekwondo guy do another match against judo, I think he learned to implement taekwondo's moves much better as the fight went on.
Judo guy takes TKD guy down, then judo guy does nothing with his advantage and falls asleep, and the ref stands them up. Also, the ref saves TKD guy every time the Judoka goes for a submission.
I actually like judo. But I actually have an high green belt in wtf taekwondo and an white belt in judo. I find judo hard to understand. But I am willingly to learn and work hard to get my black belt in judo
Good on you for combining the 2, it will serve you much better than just TKD or only Judo. I will say this though, Judo has all the same throws as Jujitsu, they just took all the strikes out completely with Judo. If you train Jujitsu you will get the Karate style kicks and punches and the Judo grappling too but in the past the Jujitsu classes I went to didn't train the strikes very often though, we usually concentrated on the throws, grappling and all the joint locks. Joint locks are awesome and a great way to beat an opponent without spilling any claret.
Explorshon yeah. I took a break from martial arts for awhile. Was dealing with personal issues in my life. Besides I am gonna study more Japanese stuff. Such as martial arts. I really love Japanese martial arts.
Judo is a great art to learn, but when you want to experience full grappling, experiment with leg locks and leg takedowns either with a friend or a different art, since they have removed it from competitive Judo
what a surprise a strike judo guy win against a olympict TKD guy who would have thought no find a traditional TKD guy vs a sport judo guy and wonder how the judo guy got his broken knee before being able to do any real grappling
if the ref gave the judo guy more time on the ground to work it would have been over, but he should have gone for more than just the kimora and learned to work faster when he knew he had less time on the ground
This is Ganryujima, they have a hard time limit on takedowns. i think its 15-30 seconds. So if you're going for a submission you have to be really quick at it. you get a lot of points for each takedown though.
I guess anyonw has forgotten that the Taekwon-Do does include tons of grappling techniques, but everyone thinks TWD is only kicking because of the modern Combat sport
Judo vs TKD YEAAHH!!! OK, rules: - throws don't count - pins don't count - no gi - kick and punch all you want - If you even try any sort of arm/leg/joint lock the referee will stand you up - If on the ground you will be stand up after a random set of seconds - You have to wear gloves, just in case you try to grab something Cool
To see more style on Style fights, please go to this playlist: ua-cam.com/video/BlqVv0n0zJM/v-deo.html
Also, to see how to do a kimura lock (that we saw in this match): ua-cam.com/video/SnLuzJi23MA/v-deo.html
To see how to do an arm triangle (that we saw in this match): ua-cam.com/video/_0p90C3-62A/v-deo.html
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Fight Commentary Breakdowns, btw it’s not judo it’s Japanese jujitsu, judo has no strikes in it
Im so tired of this ref standing them up when the judo guy is clearly in a dominant position and actually working on the ground.
Brandon Clark thats the thing though, the Judoka was taking his sweet time establishing dominance and control thus stalling. They also got to keep entertainment in mind, and honestly at a black belt level vs a non grappler, a Judoka should be able to submit fairly quick and easy.
I wanna kill that ref 😄🤯
It's the rule, this isn't MMA.
Gets full mount, ref immediately stands them up. Lol what a joke, regardless of what the rules are, that shouldn't be the rule!
If u listen n understand Japanese, u can hear a countdown after the first takedown.
The Judo guy exposed two weaknesses of 90% of TKD practioners. They rely on kicks too much and haven't been trained in punching, blocking and grappling (which does exist in TKD). The second is TKD is really shyt for sparring, more so than alot of other MA.
To be honest in Tae Kwon Do throwing punches during a match as well as sparring is not really totally against the rules per say but the reason why punches are not really used or seen are mainly because punches are not allowed to be thrown to the head,punches that are considered to not have hit hard don't count and plus compared to other techniques a punch tend to score so low on Tae Kwon Dos point system that they practically don't even really count for anything anyway and thus all of those factors make punches despite not being totally illegal not really worth it to try to attempt and in Tae Kwon do and even though certain other stuff which is not really practiced in a fight or sparring are done in pre arranged forms those prearranged forms do not really necessarily do the best at preparing you to perform techniques in an actual match or fight especially when you haven't actually been using them in competitions or practicing them during sparring.
Not old school TKD, which is like karate, in our style we practice old school Tkd, plus judo and hapkido for a comprehensive martial art.
@@kennethrogers1129 I practice old school TKD taught directly to me by 1 of the 3 original masters that came to the US to teach, GM Sang Kyu Shim. So yeah, I am aware of the difference in traditional TKD and the McDojos that started popping up in the 80's that comprise the majority of schools and their successors out here.
In MMA a "TKD fighter" is actually a "sprawl and brawl" fighter, especially if you are specifically facing a Judoka.
He is not a Judo guys, He has used Japanese jiu-jitsu techniques
Instead of "is judo guy gonna win?" you should've asked "after which kick is the TKD guy getting taken down and smashed?"
Tkd guy did not know how to mix in his kicks at all
TKD guy shamed us, he should of thrown more quick side kicks and unpredictable back hook kicks to his legs and body.
@@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin tkd dont hit legs
@@carlosandres1835 yeah we do
@@kimpavfx no yall dont i did tkd for 4 years and not one leg kick is taught
When I first started trying different martial arts I did Tae Kwon Do for a while and I remember I fell on my arse once practicing high kicks. The class laughed but the teacher made me feel better by telling me he has done if before too.
Everyone who ever learns kicks falls including the punks who laughed at you for falling
I fell flat on my back and laughed at myself for a good minute 😂
A guy at our club got a concussion and I nearly broke my arm. Unless you’re slacking you’ll probably fall once kicking in the beginning.
Explorshon I’ve fell while throwing a kick too but it wasn’t in front of anyone
Same here.
What kind of BS fighting is this? Ref saved that TKD fighter consistently from being finished.
The judokas skills weren't an issue. It was the format.
Chad Fahlman the format wasn’t the issue. It was the judoka.
@@The13point1 horseshit. They were stood up after mere seconds.
@@chadelliottfahlman Second time he got the TKD guy on the ground, he just went into full mount and got the hooks in, he gets stood up. I was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
he should have gotten an armbar much quicker
Wtf it's wrong with the referee? Every time the judoka starts doing newaza or ground work he stops the fight? Wtf?
Ikr thats the way of judo its like submission how is the judo guy gonna win instantly if the referee is stopping him
@@BiggieSmokes187 yeahh like bruhh judo is a ground martial if your gonna compare them both your gonna allow them both to have advantage and tkd can have advantage at kicking just like the martial art teach you and judo have the advantage on the ground if you don’t allow ground game then don’t bring judo to it because judo is a ground martial art
If I’m not wrong this event is called Ganryujima and there’s a dumb rule where there’s a 15 second timer on going to the ground
Referee taken money from tkd guy, i think
korean referee maybe
One day I fought in school with a guy who did wrestling. He pushed my karate brown belt up my arse.That was 25 years ago. My son does wrestling now.
@@tidakada7357 I wouldn't know if Okinawan were good wrestlers or not. But Okinawan karate had a close combat main focus.
Japanese made a Japanese martial art out of karate by using their Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu mindset which obviously don't really work for hands to hands combat.
To me karate is cool but it's more a promotion and a way to keep Japanese medieval fighting culture than anything.
However I have to say modern karate is amazing for speed and explosiveness.
That's awesome. I don't do wrestling( I am a kickboxer) but I know takedowns and takedown defence I created my own style. Wrestling is highly effective. That's great your son is doing wrestling he will become a strong athlete.
Elijah A primary karate practitioner will never out wrestle a wrestler... karate takedowns and defenses are very basic in grappling
You must have been a shitty student.. either that or your checks cleared..
@@ruderocky1431 no dumbass. He went against a wrestler. Those guys are top notch athletes.
Title alone I already knew who was going to win
theyre both trash lol
@@RyanOstarineGarcia doesn't make you sound civilised nor clever .
@@RyanOstarineGarcia you seem fun
Chad Literally Nicholls idiot.. these are high level fighters
Tkd is good are u saying its bad
3:58 imagine if that was pavement. judo is scary.
A friend did that to me on pavement, it hurt a bit but I can ignore pain, I swiftly put him in an arm bar cause it was convenient.
@@dited358 R/that happened
@@dited358 ill just bite your leg if you do arm bar on me lol
@@BiggieSmokes187 you gotta do what you gotta do
@@BiggieSmokes187 yeah the jaw has the strongest muscle in the body
Honestly the judo guy went easy on him...I mean he could have chocked him in a matter of seconds when the taekwondo guy was on the ground.
And with gloves imagine how difficult it is.
I think the gloves and the lack of gi bothers him a bot. I bet the grip is not too good in those gloves.
My Tae Kwon Do instructor was a 7th Dan taught from general Choi in Korea. He was taught many throws takedowns and grappling techniques at black belt level
Do you really think those handful of moves are enough to cover you against a whole system like judo or bjj
My sensei can’t compete in mma because he is too deadly
Moo Sul Kwan , we do judo, hapkido and taekwondo, to have comprehensive martial art skills, takes a long time to learn all that, out original GM advised to get a black belt in one first , then add the others. Hapkido is my favorite, and use TKD and JUDO for combat experience, however limited by rules for safety. Apparently in this match low kick , elbows, knees were illegal, and the Tkd guy had no grappling experience , not smart.
@@loganyoutube5418 this isnt a real thing if he was too deadly he would be a champion without effort. fedor is deadly. jon jones is deadly.
@@McGeezlefuck judo and bjj
Dumb rules, let the judo guy do his work.
Yeah the referee was f-ing idiot cuz thats the way of judo
Guys... judo rules aren't like in bjj. If you take too long to do a submission then the 2 judokas get to their feet again. So this is fair for the judoka because this is how they compete anyways
Behold the only two arts to make it to Olympics and lost a shit ton of effective self defense doing it
How about seeing them as "sports" and not entirely MAs, because some of the techniques are forbidden in competitive style.
@@Mordowx Thats right. Only sports; one more "mutilated" that one. Sorry for my comment... The TKD actually buy smoke. At least in my country.
Damn. Hurts harder than a Cro-Cop head kick.
Boxing, wrestling?
@@CommunismiEstCacas as far as boxing us concerned, the Mayweather style of running out the clock, wearing the opponent out over 10 rounds... It's a great and smart strategy for boxing, awful for a fight. Bar right, Tyson v Mayweather, Tyson wins.
Woah! Takewondo dude’s kicks had some amazing form n balance. (Except for the failed spin kick, but lol that happens)
I think in Judo there is a rule where you only have 15 or so seconds on the ground to get the submission. So I think the rule set they were fighting under had a similar idea to that. So even though it’s annoying to not being able to see the Judo guy work on the ground that’s probably the same amount of time he’d get in a Judo match.
Yes and no, if you get a submission and they tap it’s an immediate win, if you trap them for 10-19 seconds you get half a point, 20 seconds is an immediate win
Interesting seeing as I've done both.. and have the same feelings toward TKD as Joe Rogan. I did it for YEARS and it left me with no hands and no grappling at all. At least I can do Judo and sporadically burst out some Hwarang tekken kicks.
I've tried to do Hworang kicks (like front- back- side) combos and I can see how people fall on their asses trying that lol
Judo guy actually went for a leg sweep 1:28
This is pissing me off how the fight keeps getting stood up lol
It seems like Rule #1 was "If the Judoka is winning, stand them up".
I already knew the rules would be biased against the judo guy tbh....
But the thing is,I'm a brown belt in karate but stopped training for 3 years but trained in judo for 2 years.....
Once I got into MMA shortly after turning 19 most of my karate went out the door and my judo was the only thing that (kinda) saved me....
I'd think it would be the same for TKD in my honest opinion
Karate and tdk are just fine. You need to spar tho. And you need to cover the four parts of martial arts, punching, kicking, wrestling, and submission grappling. If your karate went out the door you were no good. Same for taekwondo, same for judo. That's like a boxer not punching in mma sparring. No good.
You'd give it to the TKD guy???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WIth all of those kicks and punches that you say landed, the Judoka didn't even slow down, or stagger, or...... You have no reasoning skills, period. If the judoka accomplished nothing in 4 seconds, the ref stood him up. But when the TKD guy did the chicken dance and ran away for 30 minutes at a time, they didn't put him on the ground with the judoka on top of him, which would have been the only fair thing to do. EVERY TIME THE JUDOKA STARTED TO WIN, THE REF STOPPED HIM. But they let the TKD guy do the Mayweather dance. Even at that, the Judoka entirely won that.
But the judoka should learn some judo. He could have easily done a gi choke on him at one point. Several armbars, the triangle, etc., were within easy reach, and he couldn't finish the Kimura. But he still won that by a huge margin. You don't get points for glancing blows in boxing, I don't see why you should in full contact TMA fighting.If there had been any good kicks or punches, the judoka would have gone down, or staggered, or been k.o.'d
carnivalwrestler The Tae Kwon Do fighter seemed like the better fighter overall, and had an impressive fight IQ.
The Judoka was almost retarded in comparison as far as fight IQ goes.
@@geryquin4214 Facts matter far more than your assumptions.
@El Bottoo Boxing is my favorite sport and favorite technique for street fighting. I've been a boxing fan since I was a kid, and I got to punch Gene Fullmer in the plexus when he was champ, if that tells you anything about how long I've been into the sweet science.
LOL, when the bjj dudes start selling their propaganda about 90% of the fights going to the ground, they must be a) talking about third graders, or b) talking about my fights, where I hit my assailant, and he goes to the ground (or just doubles over wishing he had never been born).
When a tkd guy lands a kick on your head cleanly, you're going to know about it ... when you eventually wake up. To be fair, I think this tkd guy was slow, don't believe it, take a look at some tkd tournaments. Those guys are explosive with full body rotation in their kicks. Good kickers.
This judoka was extremely poor on ground skills. So I think they were evenly matched skill wise per their styles, but I'd like to see a judoka with good ground techniques against a really quick tkd practitioner. Maybe they ought to have style vs style tournaments with some medium-to-highly skilled players. That could be very interesting.
@El Bottoo you let judoka finish his kimura or choke see how injured tkd gets
@El Bottoo The ref did step in and stop ongoing submissions. The kimura and the arm triangel could very well have been successful but the ref didn't let him finish. I also seriously doubt that the judo guy had pain for weeks after this
This is from a production called Ganryujima. The rule set includes rules that govern ground fighting. Most fights can only be on the ground for 15 seconds at a time, but special rules can be agreed upon by fighters to increase the ground game to 30 seconds.
Are knee/elbow strikes allowed?
I believe the arm triangle failed because he was only locking it up with a gable grip. He needed to slide the neck hug through deeper to grab his bicep, similar to the RNC. I'm sure the gloves made it difficult to do that.
Jkd guy did well, but if they gave them literally just 1 more second on the ground he would have been finished at least twice for sure
Matthew Van Helden honestly in my opinion the Judoka had more than enough time. He got stood up quick because he used side control to stall and not to actively pursue a submission.
If the Judoka where against a fellow grappler then yea it takes more time, but against a non grappler, at a blackbelt level a Judoka should be able to submit someone fairly quickly and easy.
“How do you not submit them when you have the arm triangle”
The arm triangle has to be perfectly set up and controlled. Even good submission specialists such as myself have trouble with it sometimes.
Judo does not teach punches
So true!Preach it !
That’s not correct. In Judo, Atemi Waza teaches both punches and kicks.
Taekwondo guy …… If you’re not on your feet ,, you’re going to lose ! That was a nice leg sweep by the judo dude.
I understand where the ref is coming from - he wants to keep the action flowing for the sake of the show.
But realistically, being stood back up or not, Judo guy won hands down.
The judo guy deserved the win 100% the tkd had some flashy kicks that didn't do much damage and he was saved by the ref everytime the judo guy put him in a kimura
As a taekwondo practitioner i already knew the result. The taekwondin lacks in force. He just doesnt know what to do. Grappling and grounding are fundamental in every way
5:19 There is Atemi-waza, or strikng techniques in Judo, depending on where you train you may or may not be taught it. I train the Olympic Rules Judo so we dont learn Atemi-waza (but the coachs their throw in self defence stuff as well)
Everytime the judoka went to finish the fight the ref stood him up....
1:29 that leg sweep 🤯
Judo guy not well rounded that’s why he don’t do anything once in the ground. Also the ref is favouring the tkd guy by standing them up way to fast. But yeah tkd guy had no chances and he wasn’t supposed to
Grappling exists since ancient Greece is the oldest art of fight, I don't understand how traditional Martial Arts neglect the training of Grappling TWD Modern is so limited.
The Judoka dominated the fight, I think once the Tae Kwon Do guy resorted to boxing the grappler's job was already done.
TKD is just for the movies, Judo is for the bodyguards.
I went on Quora to see what people thought about taekwondo vs wrestling, and it was a bunch of taekwondo guys saying they’re lethal weapons and shit 😂
That’s hilarious! Could you show me some links?
The rule set was a little confusing. I think they limited ground time to the 10 second judo rule and there were no leg kicks, I think.
Striking isn't better than grappling, but grappling isn't better than striking.
They are like a man and a woman. They complement each other.
Each has its own merit. They're stronger together than alone.
Judo ends when the opponent's shoulders touch the ground, so judoka don't train for submissions too much. Mainly pins. Speaking from my experience
Depends on the Judo. Kosen Judo has more ground.
Ya, I learnt katagatame as a pin
I usually go for a submission than a pin, since I am more lightweight
Bullshit. I've trained both and there is an amazing amount more things to learn on the ground in BJJ.
What the hell you saying there are chockes and locks you can do
Judo guy needs to go to BJJ school for submissions...
I'm a Jeet Kune Do guy...and I hate being on the ground. I'm a striker at heart and always will be. But JKD students started training in BJJ for a reason.
Many of us saw the effectiveness of jujitsunl early on and immediately started training
I always tell people this in a fight the better grappler almost always wins
@@morkujinirukandji4820 if you have a 2 vs 1 fight it doesnt work . Taekwondo + kickboxing = a god fighting mod
As some who took bjj and tkd afterwards, it was an adult class with 3 hours a class, 1 hour endurance training, 1 techniques, 1 hour sparring. The sparing was essentially MMA with a slew of others knowing alot of different martial arts, alot of wrestlers, judokas, muy Thai, amd kickboxing in the class, only one other bjj guy, it was the funnest class I've ever taken
The commentary on this is so lame. Nothing worthwhile being said and they don’t even know what judo is
i dont practice tkd but one thing its good at is being overwhelming, especially with their switch stances and faints. theyre like whirlwinds of legs lol, did not see this here. the tkd guy was shook
Exactly
Definitely should've thrown more faster kicks to his legs and body and not those slow drab head kicks, Could've made life scary for the Judo guy,
Simply said: Judo rules!
I was very fortunate that in my martial arts experience our Grand Master, was a GM of TKD, Hapkido, and Judo. He trained black belts in all three martial arts and we were always cross training. We would do Tkd tournaments, and Judo tournaments and do Hapkido self defense. Actually Hapkido is like TKD and Judo combined plus more joint manipulations, throws, chokes, vicious strikes that are not in Judo or TKD, so I was pretty lucky coming up as a kid being exposed to that comprehensive type attitude of martial arts practice, pretty much the first MMA back in the 60’s and 70;s Moo Sul Kwan Martial Arts. You have to have common sense about it, if you feel your opponent is a grappler then you have to be very careful and keep your balance, be patient and let him run into a hard strike as he closes distance, of course it helps a lot if you know judo as well as have good striking,
Okay boomer
Judo guy gets the mount.
Referee: stands them up. 😂
If i was the tkd i would have kept using the low kicks.
Because it looked like judo guy was getting damaged by the low kicks and they are hard to grab.
Yeah but in taekwondo we're taught to aim higher,think the guy wanted to deal more damage by trying to deal a good hit on the face or upper area
But when u are going to fight in this that has mma rules.
I would have try to learn the low kick.
A judoka doesn't mind a few low kicks. When he closed the gap you are done to be thrown to the ground. Low kicks and even high kicks have no power as a judoka got very close to you. You can say I will try to keep my distance from him and keep delivering that low kicks. For how long can you keep your distance? How far do you think you can run? A judoka will chases you, catches you, grapples you and finally throws you to the ground, pins you and go for submissions like chokes, armbars etc. Speaking from experience. You want to fight a judoka? Learn judo.
A good calf slicer should remove some of the Judokas ability to leverage his weight and compromise his guard. He will want to defend against low kicks after the initial connection, so the TKD fighter should answer with punches up high. In and out footwork should be a speciality in TKD, but were not really seeing it here. Decent mid-level match however
@@theseeker5799 thats why the tkd should have used more the low kick.
He could use the low kick to set up other moves.
When the judoka did a kani basami at 1:33. Looked like mortal kombat for a sec.
The TKD guy's arm was 2 seconds away from becoming a spaghetti arm and the ref stood them up. You could see that the TKD guy was obviously hurt from that
That arm triangle sucked total ass, wasn't even close xD.
As your mate said, it was the judokas hip being way too high, allows the guy on bottom to turn in without just turning further into the choke.
Arm triangle actually has quite a few little intricacies that make them not work.
It was a submission by verbal, tap or the refs decision,that's how they score a point then ,they stand them back up its a demonstration not a proper fight ,and if the ref didn't stop it ,it would of been a dislocated shoulder,for sure you'll find he's uses an extended arm technique so as not to rupture the elbow joint.
The referee knows what he is doing. He stops the fight just before the judo guy is going to submit him every time. Otherwise, the fight would just last a few seconds. It's not a real fight. It's a demonstration
this is why kickers should have bjj skills
i'm sure if this was a street fight Mr.judo would win..
Ryan Etzkorn agreed. A throw onto concrete is a finisher, there are plenty of UA-cam clips with such street fights
Grappling in a street fight would result in getting stomped
@@z4743 depends if your fighting one person then yea grappling would be good but if it’s more then one person your gonna get stomped
@@z4743 thats a vague and ignorant statement. If anything, grappling will save you out of trouble, think about it people don't need to be trained in order to grab a hold of your shirt/clinching senseless. If you are a explosive grappler, you can still takedown multiple people. Biggest advantage of grappling is not only you can control your violence and others violence and movement, you can also use it to get out of tricky positions when you are in trouble. Everyone can throw a sloppy punch but not everybody can grapple in street.
@@shiro703 you will also get stomped against multiple attackers in street. A good boxer might do better against multiple people but imagine this you are using your footwork and knocking dudes out, bang somebody rushes to you and gets a hold of you, Its cool but then you realze his pal next to your side just stabbed you. No one should fight multiple opponents, unlike striking grappling is scaleable, meaning you can control the amount of violence you can use on someone , you can control them and talk sende to them, you can throw them and knock them out or potentialy cripple them, you can take him down and break every part of his bones, you can choke him out and he won't remember thing (keeping you out of law suit, unluke striking)
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Judo in Japan are excellent ! See how the TKD Korean karate guy gets lost on the ground. Thanks for this video! Fun and enjoyable! No way Karate guy won!
I do judo. BJJ. Kickboxing and boxing. (Hopefully mma one day) but I can confirm as a white belt. That black belt could’ve EASILY arm barred or choked that tkd dude.
This is a ... fight? All I see is a one sided slaughter
I did taekwondo I am a green belt with blue stripe I won 2 medals silver metal first and then a bronze medal. Taekwondo is the best. I moved to Seattle Washington from Las Vegas Nevada so I had to stop but when I’m 18 I will go back to Las Vegas and continue. I do better.
The judo guy had many chances to do an arm submission , funny he must have not learned that! Referee gave the TKD guy to many fucken breaks. Ok , but not a great fight.
Judo is the Master tecnic body to body..trows and greaping with summision are the way of combat. Thanks for the vídeo
This type of TKD fighter is the type I like the least being black belt in TKD myself. My school was clearly much more well rounded than his and focused more on effectiveness than sport.
Hey, guys, I do bjj alongside other martial arts but my takedowns suck really bad, can you tell me what style of judo is the Olympic style that focuses takedowns? Cheers
Judo
This is excellent proof why Gracie modifies Jiujitsu is. So important. Set up submissions with strikes . This guy should have watched like one gracuesbin action fight and he would have beat him in the first round
Throw him a bunch of times and let him back up take away his morale. You need to meme that one. That was funny
Striking and punching isn't allowed in competition judo so most people don't train it. It is part of the katas though.
Interesting... As a young man, 47 now, I competed in judo and wtf taekwondo. If I was up against myself it would've been a heliuva rumble. Maybe a judokick and a taekwondothrow😀..
They paid the judo guy to underperforming in the ring,
The judoka only had 10 seconds on the ground. You can hear the countdown in japanese.
6:23 “I think he had a perfect arm triangle”--Nope, he did not, if you’ve ever trained BJJ or proper Judo Newaza, you’d know that was the sloppiest arm triangle on the face of the earth hahahaha
But can it work on the streets? I bet gun kata could beat both of them. Or Batman, Batman could also win.
Or master wong
Those are some fantastic takedowns
It's a shame how the promotion has such a lack of understanding of fighting. I don't even think the ref knows that he disrupted multiple finishes and he was giving the other guy a huge handicap
Change your channels name to armchair fight commentary. lol.
Looks like there are rules that we as spectators aren't made aware of. I'm assuming it's to avoid having a match drag out for a long period of time with no action on the ground, but I see no other reason for them to continuously separate. That TaeKwonDo guy looked uncomfortable with his own techniques too..
I would like to see that taekwondo guy do another match against judo, I think he learned to implement taekwondo's moves much better as the fight went on.
Yep
Glad you agree :)
that's how you learn to really implement real martial arts, by fighting with different rules sometimes and against different opponents
You might not enjoy grappling as a martial artist but it's part of the bread and butter. You have no choice but to learn it If you don't want to suck.
Hi. Can you do a video on jkd please?
Yep
In Taekwondo we have very little ground training
I do taekwondo and a sixth degree told me to through my front leg and then set up the back leg
Judo guy takes TKD guy down, then judo guy does nothing with his advantage and falls asleep, and the ref stands them up.
Also, the ref saves TKD guy every time the Judoka goes for a submission.
I actually like judo. But I actually have an high green belt in wtf taekwondo and an white belt in judo. I find judo hard to understand. But I am willingly to learn and work hard to get my black belt in judo
Good on you for combining the 2, it will serve you much better than just TKD or only Judo. I will say this though, Judo has all the same throws as Jujitsu, they just took all the strikes out completely with Judo. If you train Jujitsu you will get the Karate style kicks and punches and the Judo grappling too but in the past the Jujitsu classes I went to didn't train the strikes very often though, we usually concentrated on the throws, grappling and all the joint locks. Joint locks are awesome and a great way to beat an opponent without spilling any claret.
Explorshon yeah. I took a break from martial arts for awhile. Was dealing with personal issues in my life. Besides I am gonna study more Japanese stuff. Such as martial arts. I really love Japanese martial arts.
Judo is a great art to learn, but when you want to experience full grappling, experiment with leg locks and leg takedowns either with a friend or a different art, since they have removed it from competitive Judo
drago6060 DD that’s why I am going to do some Japanese jujitsu
Good mentality to have!
was a fair fight its always interesting watching traditional styles fight like this
its not the TKD guys fault, that's the reality of grappling.
what a surprise a strike judo guy win against a olympict TKD guy who would have thought
no find a traditional TKD guy vs a sport judo guy and wonder how the judo guy got his broken knee before being able to do any real grappling
Im kinda nitpicking but when you refer to the judoka as a 'judo guy' it kinda makes you seem less professional...
if the ref gave the judo guy more time on the ground to work it would have been over, but he should have gone for more than just the kimora and learned to work faster when he knew he had less time on the ground
This is Ganryujima, they have a hard time limit on takedowns. i think its 15-30 seconds. So if you're going for a submission you have to be really quick at it. you get a lot of points for each takedown though.
It's not a kimura, it's Ude Garami. Kimura is the BJJ nick name for it, because Brazilians couldn't pronounce it right in Japanese
What a load of crap. 3 times the judo guy was going for or had a submission almost locked and the ref stood them up.
The fighter in white is not judoka . He is from U-STYLE , a shoot prowrestling company similar to RINGS , UWFi , Shooto , & Pancrase
Judo guy could've landed a lot of punches on the ground, nothing special but a lot of volume
Judo WINS!
The judoka didn't seem very experienced but he was tough
Definitely a superior physique as well. These guys are several weight classes apart for sure. Look at that boy's legs, got some BEEF on him.
I guess anyonw has forgotten that the Taekwon-Do does include tons of grappling techniques, but everyone thinks TWD is only kicking because of the modern Combat sport
Yeah, in TTU under WT we do some grappling, lots of punches and block/punches. And of course kicking.
Sport TKD is so far from Tradional TKD.
Judo vs TKD YEAAHH!!!
OK, rules:
- throws don't count
- pins don't count
- no gi
- kick and punch all you want
- If you even try any sort of arm/leg/joint lock the referee will stand you up
- If on the ground you will be stand up after a random set of seconds
- You have to wear gloves, just in case you try to grab something
Cool