David Garibaldi presents a lesson on his classic permutation concept! Excerpted from his "Lessons" Breaking the Code" DVD. More information at HudsonMusic.com
One of the things I get from David's teachings and even moreso, his playing, is that it's not about being better than anyone else. It's about being as good as we are. Often, the challenge is playing at our best.......doing the things we do as good as we can do them.
One of the all time great masters on the kit! He makes it look so easy. It isn't even remotely easy. I have the book Rhythmic Illusions by Gavin Harrison, another awesome drummer (there are just a handful more on their level that I know of) with incredible insight regarding permutations and rhythmic displacement. I just read this stuff because I am an arranger/keyb. player (my drumming skills are very modest compared to this great master!) and in awe and what these guys come up with. Anyway: D. Garibaldi is one of the finest drummers and drum teachers (ever) when it comes to awesome, musically most useful, tasty grooves, control, sound and deep knowledge. He is also a wonderful teacher. Just love this guy!
Never heard this concept described out loud. As a guitar player, this is very helpful to me as well. For me it's fun to suddenly make it feel like you lost the "1".
I am so grateful to have studied with David when he was writing “Future Sounds”. I own every one of his book. His teaching method was (and is) always so complete. 🥁🙏🏽
Best drumbook ever. I had a teacher that made me play the grooves plus permutations, while reading a page of the new breed book with my rightfoot. Thats when I developed autism.
David Garibaldi Is the Funkiest Drummer on da Planet!. Thank You David for the inspiration.You have been one of the biggest reasons I've been playin for decades. You are THEE Funk Master!
Adrian Baca, He said rhythmic solfeggio system. :) Solfege is the "Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do" thing and is used for ear training with pitch. So his reference to solfege was doing a similar kind of ear training with rhythms instead of pitch.
Along with a select few bands, David Garibaldi and Tower of Power wrote the book on funk music. I recommend your acquiring all of the early TOP cd's (Amazon has most of them) and getting hipped to Mr. Garibaldi and the TOP.
@TubaVallopi With permutation the stickings will stay the same when they're shifted. But with note displacement you're actually shifting notes. So for example a groove or even a note starts on the 1, but then it's shifted an 8th note or a16th etc. So with a groove the whole groove changes and shifts an 8th or a 16th. That's note displacement. Hope I helped you out with your question.
@gwb911 What are you talking about? So many drummers respect David because of his groove and feel...Even Dennis Chambers talks about filling in for David....
And also Jojo Mayer's Secret Weapons of the Modern Drummer. That and Greb's DVD are my two favs right now. And for free online teachers, you could always check out Mike Johnston. Hands-down one of the best teachers I've ever seen
Future Sounds by David Garibaldy. The book that taught me how to drum. If you dig linear drum beats and you are more into freedom in drum beats than amazing chops you should definatly buy that book. Those permutation studies are insane. A pain in the ass to learn but excels your level of play like nothing else. Atleast for me.
"playing something different that makes you feel like the tempo moved" I guess this should be the metric modulation ? And the concept David mention in the video, I guess it can be view as a displacement as well. Coz Gavin Harrison did mention a similar idea in his "Rhythmic Vision", but named it different only.
How fucking amazing do you think it would be to have this guy send one of his signature snare drums to your drum teacher as a christmas gift? THAT HAPPENED TO MY DRUM TEACHER AND I COULD NOT FUCKING BELIEVE IT.
If we are talking purely about time and feel, then yes he is a bit more straight in his subdivision than say a Jabo, Stubbfield or even Purdie. David is more on the frontside of the beat with a tendency to push as well. This is something he has said and if you don't believe me just listen. If your having trouble hearing go back to 2:30 where he goes from straight to the perm example you can hear him surge a couple times and has to slow back down in the straight groove. Now remember he is still one of the best and the amounts of time and swing feel we are talking about here are extremely minute(especially to an untrained ear). When he plays with the backing tracks or click for that matter its right on because his time like every other monster and professional is dialed in. BUT his naturally tendency is to be a bit in front and on the straight side, if you need a glaring example go right now and watch some Steve Jordan videos then compare. And lastly to be a "Dick" cause thats my name if you can't hear any of these differences your time and awareness of time is not even close to a professional or advanced level, and that is something every musician needs to work on and have, instead of worrying about gospel chops licks and linear permutations go PRACTICE! click click click click click click......
+dick johnson Yeah sure, blah ,blah, blah---there's guys like you all over UA-cam with your pseudo-intellectual, professorial diatribes trying to impress all who will listen. The bottom line is---SO WHAT?? I'm pretty sure Mr. Garibaldi shits all over anyone on here trying to criticize his playing in ANY way. The guy is recognized by MOST drummers on the planet as one of the most influential, ground-breaking, FUNKY, GROOVING drummers on the planet and his place in the history of drumming is already cemented. Anyway, by all means, carry on---DICK!
Music should be flexible not mechanical like a click that's missing the point of music if you ask me! Obviously staying in time is important but the regimental use of playing to click stifles creativity and feel I think. The original funky drummer Clyde stubblefield said he hated playing to click its in a video on UA-cam where he's playing some dudes kit.
so basically: permutation = same pattern starting and ending in a different place, and displacement = playing something different that makes you feel like the tempo moved ?
Are you a drummer? I've been heavily studying his book "Future Sounds" recently. It's so exiting to be getting closer and closer every day to his level of execution!
AMG I am sure with practice you could. My issue is that most drummers employ the 4 to the floor technique and they can't play anything else. I play the Arabic drums and it comes in handy because first and foremost, I am a guitarist. When i'm a situation where there are several other guitarists on stage, I can always find a counter rhythm that blow the minds of most drummers.
Odthean All I can tell you is to listen to some Arabic or middle eastern music. Many such bands have 4 or 5 drummers all playing different rhythms. A good example is the Led Zeppelin concert Unleaded from the early 90's, they have a full Indian Orchestra, many great counter rhythms on that.
@spacitydrummer4JC there's many different ways to learn. A drummer can sometimes learn the most by watching the masters play and using their own ears and eyes to pick things up. I think you're misunderstanding the intention when you say they're just showing off. Almost all the drummers who are established enough to put out a video have an approach that works musically, it goes beyond speed
That's funny he looks light brown. Well, it could be I am color blind. So what do we say to that,,, thanks,, now I can understand the drum lesson better. Or something colorful like that?
Please Not you Too What The Fuck are you Guys Smokin HE'S WHITE I Know David Man It Pisses me Off People Talking About Someone They Don't even Know Get a Freakin Life
Is this a permutation or beat displacement? A permutation would list all the possible arrangements of the given notes, beat displacement simply shifts the starting note to different beats.
@dtportnoyrox50 Gavin harrison i agree. But pridgen already is the future....Guitar center winner at 9,endorsed at 11 and getting a scholarship to berklee at 16. He also worked with amazing drummers including garibaldi....the kids got it.
I don't understand the purpose of doing this. I'm trying to teach myself to play drums without a teacher so can someone explain it to me? If I did this with my band, they would get messed up & think I was losing my place. What is the reason to work on this?
@doublethumpbass89 i can understand gavin being the future of modern drumming. pridgen no. everything i've found of his all sounded the same. i saw him at the modern drummer festival he was in. it was all really the same. Gavin was incredible. playing amazing things that blew us away. pridgen was ... shirtless. didn't need that
@doublethumpbass89 True. I've tried to get into his stuff man I really have. His playing just doesn't hit me like Vinnie and Gadd etc. Those guys are at the point in their playing to where they are artists. There probably aren't many you haven't heard of based off the list you just put up but check out Benny Greb, Elvin Jones, Sean McCurley, and Gary Novak...novak is stuuuuupid.
Every song i hear, that this man plays drums on, it's always this exact same beat. I guess you can argue that he does this beat well, but he should've diversified at least a little bit, to draw in more listeners for his band. It's the same thing, over and over again.
Edward Smith Garibaldi is possibly the greatest funk drummer of all time. He plays incredibly technical and complex patterns but still grooves like hell.
The MAN just grooves funky like he is breathing...and makes the ghost notes seem ever so easy!!!
One of the things I get from David's teachings and even moreso, his playing, is that it's not about being better than anyone else. It's about being as good as we are. Often, the challenge is playing at our best.......doing the things we do as good as we can do them.
That’s it. That’s what our heroes have done, and we can do that too. Do work, get results.
Even that tuning alone is amazing! such a total perfect musician!
I swear I’m bk here every 3 years or so lol. Love this method. Creativity on tap..
One of the all time great masters on the kit! He makes it look so easy. It isn't even remotely easy.
I have the book Rhythmic Illusions by Gavin Harrison, another awesome drummer (there are just a handful more on their level that I know of) with incredible insight regarding permutations and rhythmic displacement. I just read this stuff because I am an arranger/keyb. player (my drumming skills are very modest compared to this great master!) and in awe and what these guys come up with.
Anyway: D. Garibaldi is one of the finest drummers and drum teachers (ever) when it comes to awesome, musically most useful, tasty grooves, control, sound and deep knowledge. He is also a wonderful teacher. Just love this guy!
Never heard this concept described out loud. As a guitar player, this is very helpful to me as well. For me it's fun to suddenly make it feel like you lost the "1".
I am so grateful to have studied with David when he was writing “Future Sounds”. I own every one of his book. His teaching method was (and is) always so complete. 🥁🙏🏽
Best drumbook ever. I had a teacher that made me play the grooves plus permutations, while reading a page of the new breed book with my rightfoot. Thats when I developed autism.
The snare, hi-hats and bass drum sound like perfection.
very nice grooves, he plays being so relaxed, i like it!
What an awesome talent! I especially love those Hi Hats. 👏
WOW that's BRILLIANT!
You are the best, man!!!!!!! Very, very, very good!
Nice tutorial man! The trick with the extra hihat helps a lot!!!
David Garibaldi Is the Funkiest Drummer on da Planet!. Thank You David for the inspiration.You have been one of the biggest reasons I've been playin for decades. You are THEE Funk Master!
Adrian Baca,
He said rhythmic solfeggio system. :)
Solfege is the "Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do" thing and is used for ear training with pitch. So his reference to solfege was doing a similar kind of ear training with rhythms instead of pitch.
This man have taste to play fantastic grooves,and he is one of best drummers on the planet!
Love ya Davy Gee!!!🥰🥰❤️
Greatness teaches greatness!!! B.t.w real cool beat!!!
Along with a select few bands, David Garibaldi and Tower of Power wrote the book on funk music. I recommend your acquiring all of the early TOP cd's (Amazon has most of them) and getting hipped to Mr. Garibaldi and the TOP.
@TubaVallopi
With permutation the stickings will stay the same when they're shifted. But with note displacement you're actually shifting notes. So for example a groove or even a note starts on the 1, but then it's shifted an 8th note or a16th etc. So with a groove the whole groove changes and shifts an 8th or a 16th. That's note displacement.
Hope I helped you out with your question.
If he were the private teacher to any of us we'd probably all be extraordinary. Great free lesson!
@gwb911 What are you talking about?
So many drummers respect David because of his groove and feel...Even Dennis Chambers talks about filling in for David....
Máster David Excelente
The concept is simple enough. I think the hardest part would be knowing how the groove goes no matter which quarter note you start it on.
And also Jojo Mayer's Secret Weapons of the Modern Drummer. That and Greb's DVD are my two favs right now.
And for free online teachers, you could always check out Mike Johnston. Hands-down one of the best teachers I've ever seen
Now we know why he's the best funk drummer around. What a groove.
Thanks !
Future Sounds by David Garibaldy. The book that taught me how to drum. If you dig linear drum beats and you are more into freedom in drum beats than amazing chops you should definatly buy that book. Those permutation studies are insane. A pain in the ass to learn but excels your level of play like nothing else. Atleast for me.
"playing something different that makes you feel like the tempo moved"
I guess this should be the metric modulation ?
And the concept David mention in the video, I guess it can be view as a displacement as well. Coz Gavin Harrison did mention a similar idea in his "Rhythmic Vision", but named it different only.
heard he programmed prince & the time's 777-9311 on the linn drum. what a polished drummer.
How fucking amazing do you think it would be to have this guy send one of his signature snare drums to your drum teacher as a christmas gift? THAT HAPPENED TO MY DRUM TEACHER AND I COULD NOT FUCKING BELIEVE IT.
If we are talking purely about time and feel, then yes he is a bit more straight in his subdivision than say a Jabo, Stubbfield or even Purdie. David is more on the frontside of the beat with a tendency to push as well. This is something he has said and if you don't believe me just listen. If your having trouble hearing go back to 2:30 where he goes from straight to the perm example you can hear him surge a couple times and has to slow back down in the straight groove. Now remember he is still one of the best and the amounts of time and swing feel we are talking about here are extremely minute(especially to an untrained ear). When he plays with the backing tracks or click for that matter its right on because his time like every other monster and professional is dialed in. BUT his naturally tendency is to be a bit in front and on the straight side, if you need a glaring example go right now and watch some Steve Jordan videos then compare. And lastly to be a "Dick" cause thats my name if you can't hear any of these differences your time and awareness of time is not even close to a professional or advanced level, and that is something every musician needs to work on and have, instead of worrying about gospel chops licks and linear permutations go PRACTICE! click click click click click click......
+dick johnson Yeah sure, blah ,blah, blah---there's guys like you all over UA-cam with your pseudo-intellectual, professorial diatribes trying to impress all who will listen. The bottom line is---SO WHAT?? I'm pretty sure Mr. Garibaldi shits all over anyone on here trying to criticize his playing in ANY way. The guy is recognized by MOST drummers on the planet as one of the most influential, ground-breaking, FUNKY, GROOVING drummers on the planet and his place in the history of drumming is already cemented. Anyway, by all means, carry on---DICK!
Music should be flexible not mechanical like a click that's missing the point of music if you ask me! Obviously staying in time is important but the regimental use of playing to click stifles creativity and feel I think. The original funky drummer Clyde stubblefield said he hated playing to click its in a video on UA-cam where he's playing some dudes kit.
You are full of shit there's nothing on 2:30 you are just delusional he's timing is perfect.
Master....
This book lets you develop independance between yourlimbs, lets youread notation, but most important, it's FUN!
eggselent!!
never heard this guy but hes good
This is sooo sooo wild.
so basically: permutation = same pattern starting and ending in a different place, and displacement = playing something different that makes you feel like the tempo moved ?
Holy crap it sounds like it's 9/8 but it's in 4/4 the whole time. crazy!
Nice ghost notes!
Can you compare this snare to a Pearl free Floating brass?
What is hip??????Dave Garibaldi. Such a natural.
you should mos def check out Benny Greb's dvd's then if you haven't already.
EXCELLENT TEACHER
Amazing Garibaldi! Love the hi hat. What model is this?
Billy Ponzio Jazz i think thats a vintage sabian vault 13" Jam master hihat cymbals
@drummerkareemovic basic, simple, but hard for us!!! :P Nices grooves for you!
90% of drummers can't even come close to playing like this!!!
Are you a drummer? I've been heavily studying his book "Future Sounds" recently. It's so exiting to be getting closer and closer every day to his level of execution!
+Tony Marinelli You are correct and I'm one of those 90% for sure. He has always amazed me!
AMG I am sure with practice you could. My issue is that most drummers employ the 4 to the floor technique and they can't play anything else. I play the Arabic drums and it comes in handy because first and foremost, I am a guitarist. When i'm a situation where there are several other guitarists on stage, I can always find a counter rhythm that blow the minds of most drummers.
Tony Marinelli I'm curious about the counter rhythm you're talking about. Could you direct me to any examples?
Odthean All I can tell you is to listen to some Arabic or middle eastern music. Many such bands have 4 or 5 drummers all playing different rhythms. A good example is the Led Zeppelin concert Unleaded from the early 90's, they have a full Indian Orchestra, many great counter rhythms on that.
THE MASTER OF FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kikme778 Hey nat, you found the video where I learned that groove.
David, What brand of pedal are you using on your bass drum?
what's the difference between a permutation and a displacement?
@Joey842 juaz his a master
i have a question, what`s the different between permutation and note displacement? thx
@MrKevadel Ok now i get it thx u so much :D
@spacitydrummer4JC
there's many different ways to learn. A drummer can sometimes learn the most by watching the masters play and using their own ears and eyes to pick things up. I think you're misunderstanding the intention when you say they're just showing off. Almost all the drummers who are established enough to put out a video have an approach that works musically, it goes beyond speed
A lot of drummers don't know that David Garibaldi is, in fact, black.
That's funny he looks light brown. Well, it could be I am color blind. So what do we say to that,,, thanks,, now I can understand the drum lesson better. Or something colorful like that?
Please Not you Too What The Fuck are you Guys Smokin HE'S WHITE I Know David Man It Pisses me Off People Talking About Someone They Don't even Know Get a Freakin Life
tower of power is the funkiest and whitest band XD garibaldi is like an engineer
Yo Billy: You must be a drummer... David Garabaldi is WHITE! He whiter than Snowy Bleach.
Really!!!
Is this a permutation or beat displacement? A permutation would list all the possible arrangements of the given notes, beat displacement simply shifts the starting note to different beats.
what is his main crash
and Stanton Moores groove alchemy
THAT SNARE!
any idea what kind it is, I am curious now
@dtportnoyrox50 Gavin harrison i agree. But pridgen already is the future....Guitar center winner at 9,endorsed at 11 and getting a scholarship to berklee at 16. He also worked with amazing drummers including garibaldi....the kids got it.
@doublethumpbass89 dude you can't put thomas pridgen and gavin harrison on the same list with the other dudes you listed haha.
anybody know what bass drum head that is?
Does he permutate only the hi hat accent or the whole groove one quarter note ahead?
matenorth sall he permutates all the groove one 16th note ahead.
Guillermo Núñez Thanks!!
1:30 did anyone hear ralph maggio system?
I don't understand the purpose of doing this. I'm trying to teach myself to play drums without a teacher so can someone explain it to me? If I did this with my band, they would get messed up & think I was losing my place. What is the reason to work on this?
It opens your mind
Cool, I can always benefit from my mind opened wider. But what I really need is my mind to be totally blown.
Keep aspirin in your stick bag boys. Listen and learn from THEE Master.
Damn!
My volume was pretty high then the fuckin' trumpets slapped me in the face!
Yeah!
@doublethumpbass89 i can understand gavin being the future of modern drumming. pridgen no. everything i've found of his all sounded the same. i saw him at the modern drummer festival he was in. it was all really the same. Gavin was incredible. playing amazing things that blew us away. pridgen was ... shirtless. didn't need that
That word at 1:31, rhythmic soul fed your system. Sexy
You described metric modulation there.
@doublethumpbass89 True. I've tried to get into his stuff man I really have. His playing just doesn't hit me like Vinnie and Gadd etc. Those guys are at the point in their playing to where they are artists. There probably aren't many you haven't heard of based off the list you just put up but check out Benny Greb, Elvin Jones, Sean McCurley, and Gary Novak...novak is stuuuuupid.
You havetobe able to hearphrases.
Sheeets?
LED Drummer Forget it transcribed it out
Every song i hear, that this man plays drums on, it's always this exact same beat. I guess you can argue that he does this beat well, but he should've diversified at least a little bit, to draw in more listeners for his band. It's the same thing, over and over again.
I do similar exercises-----I actually thought I invented permutation!!!!!!
TRADUZAAAAAAMM ESSAAAAA MERDAAA
Solfeggio lol
he starts like this is the basic groove :P basic my ass
2 people don't know what drumming is.
@ultimatefighter187 im not gonna lie he is really good. he can play he deserves everything he has worked for. i just don't enjoy his playing
Tight but No swing,,,little on the stiff side,and mechanical
Edward Smith Garibaldi is possibly the greatest funk drummer of all time. He plays incredibly technical and complex patterns but still grooves like hell.
fuzzylogiceireHe's Good...sure,,,but come on, The James Browns drummer, feel..and swing are top notch...its quality before quantity...
+Edward Smith Check out the Funk brother's drummer, he eptiomizes the work "Funk" his name is Uriel Jones. Way better than Garabaldi.
+Edward Smith Go to a concert and see him live - Nothing stiff about it.
+Edward Smith SURE it is Ed!!! And your qualifications are??????????
Gavin Harrison yes...Thomas Pridgen not so much. I'm not a fan of his at all.