J Dawg you can pick them up on ebay all day now for less than $200 in good working order. I recently picked one up that had ‘94 scratched into the inside of the grip. Thing runs like a champ
Mines characteristic sound is the *ping* of the bolt banging the dye stainless barrel. My buddy always said he'd pick up on my gun from anywhere on the field and if I was close he felt safe to make the advancing moves, knowing I was near by
SAME. When I was new to the game, there were these two guys that DOMINATED the local field. And they shot Mags. We all had upgraded Spyders and Tippmanns, and a few with real jobs had low-end cockers, and we had all invested quite a bit of money and work into making our gear better, but we were all outclassed by these guns. Ever since then, I have been in love with them.
Still got my three mag purchased over the 90s. Never getting rid of them. Best guns I ever owned. Now and then I bust them out on the field and play with them.
The Mag is a beast! My first and last marker was and still is a Mini-Mag. I purchased it after several experienced tournament and scenario players from the NYC area suggested it to me. Keep in mind, many of them owned Angels, Bushmasters, and Cockers etc. as well. Not to mention, the owner of the shop (Flag Station) I used to frequent, who probably owned every marker under the sun, advised getting a Mag. He referred to Mags as the Harley of markers. Soon after getting my Mag the E-Mag, Retro Valve, Lvl 10 bolt, Warp Feed, Flatline tank, Intelli-frame, and a whole bunch of other upgrades were released on the market within the span of like five years. The timing was impeccable for me, a first time paintball marker owner and Mag user. I felt spoiled and spent money like no tomorrow just to get that desired look and perfect functioning Mag. Although I like and appreciate Autococker's, Angel's, and Tippmann's among others, for there history and lasting memories when playing with or against other players... I have to say, I'm glad the Mag was my first choice. There's just something about how it performs and its reliability that enhances a players confidence on the field. I still laugh at those moments when I was accused of using an electronic marker only to reveal a simple Retro Valve Mini-mag... literally a metal tube with a barrel, valve, and grip attached to a rail. I haven't played in years, but when you heard that signature AK-47 like "Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut!" on the field, you knew it was a Mag.
Loved automags! I had a custom rt with a beautiful ano. Wish I still had that gun... just starting to get back into paintball after a 15 year hiatus! Bought a shocker XLS and looking to build a mag and autococker a little later on down the road. Love these videos! Please shoot them in your next videos!
Love the Mags. Have my Mini Mag which was my first semi auto from who knows what year it was. Serial number on that bad boy is MM00410 so one of the 1st Mini Mags made.
68 Automag on a remote with the tank on a belt behind my back was such a killer setup at SC Village in the 90s. Used to SLAY all those dorks with their pump guns...haha. Was such a fun time being an early semi-auto Automag owner back in the day. Was like cheating.
I still have my Automag RT Pro which I bought in 2000! That thing shoots lasers to this day if I actually go to play paintball again. About 5 years ago I sent it back to Airgun Designs and had it fully gone through and they said it was in great shape and just replaced some O rings for me. Kids trip out when I bring it out and say it's so heavy but can't believe how spot on it is and how many kills I achieve with it!
Awesome. I remember using one with a warp feed. Found my 01 angel fly and other gear in my basement recently and decided to take a trip down memory lane. Now gonna go look up spyder em1s. We were sponsored by the company store in annapolis Maryland (We were "the company kids") and they had a deal with kingsman at the time. Our pro team (Bad Company) were using modified em1s at the time.
I am a stone cold, true blue mag guy. Most of friends had cockers or impulses or shockers. My cocker friends were always adjusting, tinkering, fixing, (you get the idea) with their autocockers. My shocker and impulse friends were usually arguing over which one of their guns was better, but how they were both better than us "mech" guys. I just showed up game day, gassed my mag up and played. It never failed me. I upgraded and modified it along the way, still every game day, gassed her up and she worked. I never had to tinker, because it just worked.
It's so funny back in the day everyone I played with had autocockers. I was the only one who used a mag. They all got rid of their cockers. I still have my mini mag. It'll probably get buried with me 🤣🤣🤣. First gun I worked hard to get and rarely went down on me. And was sssssoooooo silent with a smart parts teardrop barrel.
Same here. But everybody loves cocker's, I never got that.Id clean mine after every round put a drop or two of oil put her back together, wipe her off with a rag, make sure my VL2000 battery was good, load up my pain, top off my CO2 tank, chill and relax in the chair. Look over at my teammates and they are all raising ten kinds of hell because each of their cockers had no more then two problems going on with each gun. Then they would swear by them. Id always shake my head and tell em to get me a beer.
I learned on a PMI piranha PUMP, would get lit up allll the time by automags. Then I got my hands on one, same smart parts barrel walnut grip and all !!. Took out 6 guys 1st game. Still run all retro stuff from my spyder comp A , tippman carbine , and 68automag . Also still run smartparts progressive ceramic barrels. Nothing more satisfying than taking out e-guns w retro semi markers.
Auto mag and autococker were the high end markers when I started playing paintball... When I finally got my hands on an automag with a power feed i felt like a king, lol... My poor pump gun never saw another game... Now I'm shooting luxe ice.. What has happened to our sport.. Lol
I wish it could go back to spool and woods fields. Sadly it's changed so much from being a laid back weekend sport to everyone acting like an asshole who just dumps as much paint as possible.
@@scinto23 Nothing's stopping ya from going back, take some time to play rec. Show the renters how we did it in the Oldschool, slow the roll down just a bit, and have some good fun! I have a rather large collection stemming from the beginnings of the sport to current day. If speedball feels like too much of a hassle? You'll catch me training new players with either an Automag, Autococker, or a nice pump in hand.
@@reignick1133 actually went with a group from work a few weeks ago for the first time in about 8 years. It was great getting out there again. Unfortunately the rest of the rec players just wanted speedball. Not many fields around here and the crowds arent huge so it's pretty much majority rules on what fields get played 🙁
I'm still running an XValved Minimag with warp feed. Mags have a blow forward bolt design and ahead of their time with built in regulator. Mags are not heavy of you get a ULT body
My brother, before he left the sport in 2003 would argue endlessly about autocockers and automags. So much fun. Of course, I won. Still have my '02 Cocker...😅💓
The Smart Valve wasn't customized by Smart Parts, they we're created by AGD to replace the Magic Box mod that leaked. Tom Kaye talked about it on PBNation during that famous post featuring Bill Gardner and a few others.
It has been 20 years since I had a mag, but I don't believe that piece on the back was the valve. I remember seeing Tom Kaye saying the extra holes didn't do anything. Tom was one of the few that actually tested stuff. Didn't just make it up. Problem is people didn't believe him when he could prove it.
@@scmsean That part on the back was Half of the A.I.R. Valve, it was basically a regulator. The 8 hole mod was part of the Magic Box modification offered by Smart Parts, but then Tom/AGD offered to the mod's for Smart Mags, but it wasn't warranted through AGD
@@PWNDNOMAD When I had my mag there was the 8 hole back piece, update to valve, and a different bolt. All it did was turned the most reliable gun into something very unreliable. I think most mods on paintball guns just take your money. Very few helped.
@@scmsean Depends on the gun and the mod, a little bit of research on the gun/part goes along way. I have never used anything other than AGD parts on my Mags, minus the 8hole mod I had on my Smart Mag, but I will say this, mine worked flawlessly in the winter when I lived in Md, while everyone else's bone stock unaltered mag froze up. So believe what you want. Chances are you may have had an aftermarket valve or bolt combo that caused poor performance, but mine was a modified stock valve with all AGD internals and I never had an issue with it.
funny story... the Minimag is longer than the automag :) - Airgun designs has a new website you can build a custom Mag - going to run you $550+ - hard sell when you can get a Axe, Etha2, Emek, or so many other guns that are better performers. Mags also always suffered from needing a higher input so no mid/low pressure tanks and under about 650 PSI left in the tank and you were needing to refill
Christopher Davis yeah but they are custom ish. You can also go to Lukescustoms website and really custom your mag out to be a beautiful little sleeper.
It might be a "hard sell" but the Automag once set up is the most reliable paintball marker ever made. I can not tell you how many 20+ year old classic Automags, "newer" X-valved Mags and even a few E-Mags which have been neglected for over 10+ years put away wet, covered in paint and dirty beyond belief air up and work FLAWLESSLY after all those years of neglect/abuse with nothing more than just 2 drops of Gold Cup pneumatic oil into the ASA. The following for Automags may not be currently as large as the following for Autocockers, but it is a loyal following and there's plenty of good to be found in the community.
i love always the agd many told me to try a tippman or cheaper style gun first but i went straight to the mag for my first paintball gun, as it was the first type i gave a try to play for the first time, it was great besides a little overshooting by the stuck up (grown up adult) kid whom owned the very large property. i took out 3 at high arc range (45 degrees) the paint balls rained down on them, ended up fending off two at angles behind a tree, i raised my arms after no more paint, and they ran in and proceeded to over shoot the back of my dancing hopping legs with my painter and hands still high above my head. yeah , their guns were turned up also. i pointed out the rules to them they just looked at each other smiling. hahahahah. last game i had with them there were five of us and a single jr high student , he did not know they were all out of paint except me and my auto mag, i said its a stand off, you got them beat , just don[t point at me or i shall fire, sure enough he hesitated and was practicing to aim at my head, then suddenly when he turned aiming at my head from 10 feet away i sent 2 shots to his forearm , then he was out, he cried and i said good job you had us. but when he took a chance it was either and or 'or'. its a game, with real situations possible, and after i called stand off he wasn't giving up, i was willing to give the game to him, but i was not going to get hit. So , there can be some age difference as well and that complicates things only in a situation like this, otherwise short agile superfast munchkins and their dad's are taking out entire teams , lol i have seen it quite a bit, its an exciting sport to watch and be a part of.
People liked the mag back in the day for practicality. Mainly reliability and speed. People liked the cocker back in the day mostly for the intrinsic things … Like you can tinker with them, they look and sound cool. Etc. Cockers intrinsic value carrys over to today, mags practical value in speed and reliability has been outshined by other more modern mechs like say the EMEK. I still want a mag cuz I always wanted one as a kid and couldn’t afford it. But the practicality in me won’t let me actually pull the trigger on one.
The reason mags fell off in popularity is because Tom Kaye refused to give the Gardner brothers any money over the e marker parent. It's said his exact words were "I'd rather never make another electronic gun over give them one penny" and true to his word he has not and the company followed that path as well
On an autococker you can hit the cocking rod at the same time as you pull the trigger. This causes the gun to shoot really hot. It was called thumping. The beaver tail stops you from doing that.
Wish I had bought a auto mag when I started playing….. all the old heads were like “get a 98 Custom!” So I did. About $800 later it had cUstom SS lines to a small drop foreword, and Palmer regulator, upgraded bolt, spring, valve, charging handle, 18V revvy freak barrel kit (first got a 32 degrees whisper because they’re loud af but then realized my already terrible efficiency gOt was worse)RT trigger (that I drilled and tapped myself @13yrs old against the advice of the old heads) and then I had a custom painted 76LB artillery piece that cost waaaay too much for what it did. Regrets.
The reason automags never made a come back for mech tournaments like cockers is because of how the marker functions. Because they are able to be modded with RT capable valves into absolute beasts there is a reputation that follows them as a whole. A well built pneumag will still destroy any modern spool valve marker thats a mech. Go watch the deadly wind hAir valve video from 2004 for automags that was never released, thats a machine gun.
I have both an automag and a micromag. Love my automag but don't use my micromag. Since I don't use it and collects dust I'd rather someone get some use and fun out of it like I did and still do with my automag. Was trying to figure out what it's worth but so far my research is next to nothing.
I had one of these back in the late 90's early 2000 and had no clue what it was, I thought it was a piece of crap and dont remember what happened to it, I wish I had it again to build off of
From a cocker guy all flipping day. Go micro for accuracy. If you can find them that is. They are coveted for a reason. Minimags were longer bodies than automags. FASR. Forward Air Spring Return.....not spool. Barrels were Twistlock.
@@josephholt7425 Short explanation: TL:DR; *The 'Mag is not a spool valve even though the powertube is a rough approximation of a spool valve concept. And it's not a FASOR because an Automag is volume dependent not dwell dependent.* Long explanation : Automags are NEITHER FASOR nor Spool Valve, they are an Unbalanced mid-regulated fixed volume blow forward. *Automags do have a spool valve in the powertube, but so does an Autococker 3-way.* FASOR's use a solenoid or mechanically actuated pneumatic shunt to move a *Pre-Regulated* power pulse of gas to push forward on their firing valve assembly. Usually this firing assembly is in a second "stacked" lower tube , though one could make a staggered tube akin to Angels or the AKALMP Viking markers. The closest to an In-Line FASOR action marker that has been released has been the JDS King Cobra and later under Simon Stevens, the Invert Mini & Empire Axe. and while these do rely on the spring for returning the bolt and are metered poppet valves there is no hammer assembly. *The JDS king Cobra, Invert Mini and Empire Axe are not truly FASOR markers.* They are officially classified as *Unbalanced Articulation forward Spring Bolt Return In-Line Poppet markers.* *A FASOR marker's operation is set by dwell time to control how long a Poppet Valve, an Automag's operation is set by volumetric pressure.* An Automag is not reliant on a spool valve for the firing process only the venting of the powerpulse as either a shot or in the case of the Lv 10 bolt a "chuff" if the bolt's movement is obstructed. Nor does the automag utilize a cupseal & stem system such as a Nelson valve, Sheridan valve,or Schrader valve. ( These latter three are all variants of Poppet Valve Concepts.) The Level 10 bolt is a built in mechanical anti chop and is EXCEPTIONALLY gentle on even the most brittle/fragile tournament grade paint stored at lower than ambient temprature. Automags do not regulate until the midpoint. Said regulator is not a "normally off" regulator it is a free jet. Meaning the gas is directed to two different directions as it simultaneously fills the Dump chamber and is regulated When you release the trigger. When you squeeze the trigger you are impinging upon the On/Off pin valve assembly cutting off the gas that normally would flow into the dump chamber and the regulator while opening the airway for the power pulse of gas to propel the bolt and the ball forward. The regulator required for a FASOR is "Normally Off" until the pressure behind the spring stack, Bellvue washers, or piston assembly come up past the maximum pressure you have dialed it to is then allows a metered amount of air through until the pressure on the other side meets the limit that you have dialed into. Hence the description of "Normally Off" as in until it gets enough gas behind the pre-set limiter it is "off". ( I.E. it's doing nothing, not letting gas through.) The regulator on every Automag is a "Free Jet" in that the regulator spring stack is ALWAYS allowing gas through ( to be regulated as it flows) and YOU are in COMPLETE control of when that valve gets shut off/ is allowed to recharge. The operation of ANY Automag is as follows: Squeeze trigger: On/Off pin goes up, valve shuts off, airway is opened, all available gas is sent through the dump chamber into the powertube and out the bolt. Once all gas from the dump chamber is expended through the powertube and bolt? Resistance to the mainspring is lowered, spring pressure impinges upon the bolt returning it to it's rearmost position. Release trigger: On/Off pin moves down due to the gas pressure acting upon it without the force of leverage from the sear engaging it. Thus allowing gas to flow into the marker's dump chamber and regulator *At the same time.* The pin of the On/Off valve Seals the airway where it would vent through to the powertube. At roughly the same time the sear engages on the rear ledge of the bolt under minimal pressure. These two later actons happen not the Exact same time due to a built-in mechanical bias, but they happen in a fraction of a second of each other. Repeat until opponents on the field are eliminated, or you are eliminated.
The mods for the mag made things worse not better. There was also a bolt and a value mod for this gun. They just made one of the most reliable guns very unreliable. Only useful mod was the grip in the front.
Coming from someone who played in those days and owns SEVERAL of both which still see use today? Baldercrap.. They both performed very well the reason you see more Autocockers these days? More people are making more products for autococker.. you can still get a custom Automag to this day, but if you want custom parts? you're either going to Luke's customs or Tunaman. and both of these paths mean you'll have to get the custom parts anodized.
Still using my Minimag and Micromag. Just got a Mag for my son a while back...keeping the AGD legacy alive!
Which one is the one that keeps firing automatically nonstop
@@cutflow2 You probably are talking about the RT. It was banned.
"Smart Parts" wow that brings me back!
Nothing like that Sk-thunk sound of Mag. I always wanted one. Was always out of my price range
J Dawg you can pick them up on ebay all day now for less than $200 in good working order. I recently picked one up that had ‘94 scratched into the inside of the grip. Thing runs like a champ
Mines characteristic sound is the *ping* of the bolt banging the dye stainless barrel. My buddy always said he'd pick up on my gun from anywhere on the field and if I was close he felt safe to make the advancing moves, knowing I was near by
i have 2 68 auto mags i bought in 1997 still using them today rock solid!
My Automags will be the only markers I will never get rid of. Freaking workhorse!
SAME. When I was new to the game, there were these two guys that DOMINATED the local field. And they shot Mags. We all had upgraded Spyders and Tippmanns, and a few with real jobs had low-end cockers, and we had all invested quite a bit of money and work into making our gear better, but we were all outclassed by these guns. Ever since then, I have been in love with them.
Same except for my lv1 it was the 1st thing I bought in my 1st job so it have a special place in my heart
@@Floodbait_117 I had a first gen LV1, best EGun I have ever owned. To this day it's still being used for tournaments down in Fl.
THESE ARE MY FAVORITE GUNS! Smooth, FAST, modular, and easy to repair and upgrade, and customize. Mags are awesome.
Still got my three mag purchased over the 90s. Never getting rid of them. Best guns I ever owned. Now and then I bust them out on the field and play with them.
Damn love the automag, a simple yet effective mechanism
How reliable is it
@@cutflow2 infinitely
buying another...you did this to my inner 13 year old self. i'm 31 now haha
The Mag is a beast! My first and last marker was and still is a Mini-Mag. I purchased it after several experienced tournament and scenario players from the NYC area suggested it to me. Keep in mind, many of them owned Angels, Bushmasters, and Cockers etc. as well. Not to mention, the owner of the shop (Flag Station) I used to frequent, who probably owned every marker under the sun, advised getting a Mag. He referred to Mags as the Harley of markers.
Soon after getting my Mag the E-Mag, Retro Valve, Lvl 10 bolt, Warp Feed, Flatline tank, Intelli-frame, and a whole bunch of other upgrades were released on the market within the span of like five years. The timing was impeccable for me, a first time paintball marker owner and Mag user. I felt spoiled and spent money like no tomorrow just to get that desired look and perfect functioning Mag.
Although I like and appreciate Autococker's, Angel's, and Tippmann's among others, for there history and lasting memories when playing with or against other players... I have to say, I'm glad the Mag was my first choice. There's just something about how it performs and its reliability that enhances a players confidence on the field.
I still laugh at those moments when I was accused of using an electronic marker only to reveal a simple Retro Valve Mini-mag... literally a metal tube with a barrel, valve, and grip attached to a rail.
I haven't played in years, but when you heard that signature AK-47 like "Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut! Chut!" on the field, you knew it was a Mag.
I have an rt mini mag with level 10 kit. Will never sell that beauty!
I've been using classic Automag, Mini Mag & the 99 Autococker since 1998.✌️ out from Cali 😎
Loved automags! I had a custom rt with a beautiful ano. Wish I still had that gun... just starting to get back into paintball after a 15 year hiatus! Bought a shocker XLS and looking to build a mag and autococker a little later on down the road. Love these videos! Please shoot them in your next videos!
Love the Mags. Have my Mini Mag which was my first semi auto from who knows what year it was. Serial number on that bad boy is MM00410 so one of the 1st Mini Mags made.
Love my mags I have a micro mag and a standard 68.. Both are great markers.
68 Automag on a remote with the tank on a belt behind my back was such a killer setup at SC Village in the 90s. Used to SLAY all those dorks with their pump guns...haha. Was such a fun time being an early semi-auto Automag owner back in the day. Was like cheating.
I still have my Automag RT Pro which I bought in 2000! That thing shoots lasers to this day if I actually go to play paintball again. About 5 years ago I sent it back to Airgun Designs and had it fully gone through and they said it was in great shape and just replaced some O rings for me. Kids trip out when I bring it out and say it's so heavy but can't believe how spot on it is and how many kills I achieve with it!
I started with an automag. Loved that gun and after I did a few upgrades, she was a best
I used to have an Automag back in 2002😂. Great times!!!
Genius barrel design with buit in breech. Easy cleaning. Old barrels came with wire nubbins. Now we use plastic nubbins.
Awesome. I remember using one with a warp feed. Found my 01 angel fly and other gear in my basement recently and decided to take a trip down memory lane. Now gonna go look up spyder em1s. We were sponsored by the company store in annapolis Maryland (We were "the company kids") and they had a deal with kingsman at the time. Our pro team (Bad Company) were using modified em1s at the time.
Minimag I bought in 95 is still going strong to this day, real conversation piece. I also have a bob long g6r. Minimag is still my favorite.
Just dug my 68 mag out after it's been sitting for almost 7 years. I bought this thing in 2003. A few orings, a little oil, and it's back in business.
I'm looking to get my brother one for Christmas this year!! He always wanted one growing up
i love these guns. never owned one i used Smart Parts Impulse ...but this gun is what got me into the game ...back in 2002
Mags all the way. Still shooting with automag and having great fun with it. Newer parts are more light weight and slimmer.
12-14" tear drop barrels are phenomenal with these
No they are not. SP barrels in twistlock automags LOVE to berak paint.
@@josephholt7425 I run one on both my automags one of which is an autoresponse and I've barely ever broken paint with it.
I love using my Classic LV7 Auto response automag. Fully mechanical with a trigger that practically walks itself at 8bps average
I am a stone cold, true blue mag guy. Most of friends had cockers or impulses or shockers. My cocker friends were always adjusting, tinkering, fixing, (you get the idea) with their autocockers.
My shocker and impulse friends were usually arguing over which one of their guns was better, but how they were both better than us "mech" guys.
I just showed up game day, gassed my mag up and played. It never failed me. I upgraded and modified it along the way, still every game day, gassed her up and she worked. I never had to tinker, because it just worked.
Man, this brings back memories. I had the Automag RT and if you feathered the trigger just right...that thing would throw some paint.
Had both solid guns!
It's so funny back in the day everyone I played with had autocockers. I was the only one who used a mag. They all got rid of their cockers. I still have my mini mag. It'll probably get buried with me 🤣🤣🤣. First gun I worked hard to get and rarely went down on me. And was sssssoooooo silent with a smart parts teardrop barrel.
Same here. But everybody loves cocker's, I never got that.Id clean mine after every round put a drop or two of oil put her back together, wipe her off with a rag, make sure my VL2000 battery was good, load up my pain, top off my CO2 tank, chill and relax in the chair. Look over at my teammates and they are all raising ten kinds of hell because each of their cockers had no more then two problems going on with each gun. Then they would swear by them. Id always shake my head and tell em to get me a beer.
If it gets buried with you, it will probably still work when everything else is rotted away.
God bless the classics!!!!!
The valve on Mags are the reg. The ANS Phase II reg is essentially an inline Mag valve, which is really cool.
I learned on a PMI piranha PUMP, would get lit up allll the time by automags. Then I got my hands on one, same smart parts barrel walnut grip and all !!. Took out 6 guys 1st game. Still run all retro stuff from my spyder comp A , tippman carbine , and 68automag . Also still run smartparts progressive ceramic barrels. Nothing more satisfying than taking out e-guns w retro semi markers.
Do you think you can do like a brass eagle rainmaker video?
Auto mag and autococker were the high end markers when I started playing paintball... When I finally got my hands on an automag with a power feed i felt like a king, lol... My poor pump gun never saw another game... Now I'm shooting luxe ice.. What has happened to our sport.. Lol
I wish it could go back to spool and woods fields. Sadly it's changed so much from being a laid back weekend sport to everyone acting like an asshole who just dumps as much paint as possible.
@@scinto23 Nothing's stopping ya from going back, take some time to play rec. Show the renters how we did it in the Oldschool, slow the roll down just a bit, and have some good fun!
I have a rather large collection stemming from the beginnings of the sport to current day. If speedball feels like too much of a hassle? You'll catch me training new players with either an Automag, Autococker, or a nice pump in hand.
@@reignick1133 actually went with a group from work a few weeks ago for the first time in about 8 years. It was great getting out there again. Unfortunately the rest of the rec players just wanted speedball. Not many fields around here and the crowds arent huge so it's pretty much majority rules on what fields get played 🙁
My marker of choice during the 90s from a tippman pro am
I'm still running an XValved Minimag with warp feed.
Mags have a blow forward bolt design and ahead of their time with built in regulator.
Mags are not heavy of you get a ULT body
2023 and still rocking all 8 of my 68Automags👈😎👉. ✌️Out from CA
My brother, before he left the sport in 2003 would argue endlessly about autocockers and automags. So much fun. Of course, I won. Still have my '02 Cocker...😅💓
I still have my mini mag. Paid 2500 for it in the 90's. Thanks for the video. Cockers suck. Lol
Oh the memories. 👍
These for me were eye candy.
Still love my Minimag and hubby has his Autococker. I'll never trade in.
Have a cocker and a Mini mag best guns back in the 90s need to shoot my mag but need to bring to lone wolf to be look at!!!!!
The Smart Valve wasn't customized by Smart Parts, they we're created by AGD to replace the Magic Box mod that leaked. Tom Kaye talked about it on PBNation during that famous post featuring Bill Gardner and a few others.
It has been 20 years since I had a mag, but I don't believe that piece on the back was the valve. I remember seeing Tom Kaye saying the extra holes didn't do anything.
Tom was one of the few that actually tested stuff. Didn't just make it up. Problem is people didn't believe him when he could prove it.
@@scmsean That part on the back was Half of the A.I.R. Valve, it was basically a regulator. The 8 hole mod was part of the Magic Box modification offered by Smart Parts, but then Tom/AGD offered to the mod's for Smart Mags, but it wasn't warranted through AGD
@@PWNDNOMAD When I had my mag there was the 8 hole back piece, update to valve, and a different bolt. All it did was turned the most reliable gun into something very unreliable.
I think most mods on paintball guns just take your money. Very few helped.
@@scmsean Depends on the gun and the mod, a little bit of research on the gun/part goes along way. I have never used anything other than AGD parts on my Mags, minus the 8hole mod I had on my Smart Mag, but I will say this, mine worked flawlessly in the winter when I lived in Md, while everyone else's bone stock unaltered mag froze up. So believe what you want. Chances are you may have had an aftermarket valve or bolt combo that caused poor performance, but mine was a modified stock valve with all AGD internals and I never had an issue with it.
Miss my FX micro I ran a 4500 nitro duck and never had one issue.
Have shot both. My 68 is in pieces, in the box came. Last guns used Emag and DM5.
my first high end marker was the auto mag
I love my mag.
How much for the Micromax(if you're interested in selling it)?
hey next time do one on the RT automag that thing was too much fun but you had to have your output pressure set just right have the trigger belt
When I was a kid I dreamt about the original invert mini. Now I dream about my 3rd - 4th automag
funny story... the Minimag is longer than the automag :) - Airgun designs has a new website you can build a custom Mag - going to run you $550+ - hard sell when you can get a Axe, Etha2, Emek, or so many other guns that are better performers. Mags also always suffered from needing a higher input so no mid/low pressure tanks and under about 650 PSI left in the tank and you were needing to refill
Christopher Davis yeah but they are custom ish. You can also go to Lukescustoms website and really custom your mag out to be a beautiful little sleeper.
It might be a "hard sell" but the Automag once set up is the most reliable paintball marker ever made. I can not tell you how many 20+ year old classic Automags, "newer" X-valved Mags and even a few E-Mags which have been neglected for over 10+ years put away wet, covered in paint and dirty beyond belief air up and work FLAWLESSLY after all those years of neglect/abuse with nothing more than just 2 drops of Gold Cup pneumatic oil into the ASA.
The following for Automags may not be currently as large as the following for Autocockers, but it is a loyal following and there's plenty of good to be found in the community.
Had a mag with a reactive trigger. shot on the pull and the release. ball breaking machine.
i love always the agd many told me to try a tippman or cheaper style gun first but i went straight to the mag for my first paintball gun, as it was the first type i gave a try to play for the first time, it was great besides a little overshooting by the stuck up (grown up adult) kid whom owned the very large property. i took out 3 at high arc range (45 degrees) the paint balls rained down on them, ended up fending off two at angles behind a tree, i raised my arms after no more paint, and they ran in and proceeded to over shoot the back of my dancing hopping legs with my painter and hands still high above my head. yeah , their guns were turned up also. i pointed out the rules to them they just looked at each other smiling. hahahahah. last game i had with them there were five of us and a single jr high student , he did not know they were all out of paint except me and my auto mag, i said its a stand off, you got them beat , just don[t point at me or i shall fire, sure enough he hesitated and was practicing to aim at my head, then suddenly when he turned aiming at my head from 10 feet away i sent 2 shots to his forearm , then he was out, he cried and i said good job you had us. but when he took a chance it was either and or 'or'. its a game, with real situations possible, and after i called stand off he wasn't giving up, i was willing to give the game to him, but i was not going to get hit. So , there can be some age difference as well and that complicates things only in a situation like this, otherwise short agile superfast munchkins and their dad's are taking out entire teams , lol i have seen it quite a bit, its an exciting sport to watch and be a part of.
The days when paintball was fun.
The automag was the first marker I shot l, there heavy but solid guns
I miss my classic automag.
People liked the mag back in the day for practicality. Mainly reliability and speed.
People liked the cocker back in the day mostly for the intrinsic things … Like you can tinker with them, they look and sound cool. Etc.
Cockers intrinsic value carrys over to today, mags practical value in speed and reliability has been outshined by other more modern mechs like say the EMEK.
I still want a mag cuz I always wanted one as a kid and couldn’t afford it. But the practicality in me won’t let me actually pull the trigger on one.
Is that a pro stock on the wall for $1550 🤔🤔
We should do a review on Worr Machine AG or EG.
I have a custom mini mag still works 12oz tank 3.5 bottle racing green.
Arnt these the grandfather to the 9.1 fsc and tipx
excellent example of a smartmag
I still use my mag for tournaments, with a q loader
Kingman Spyder
Id get all of my stuff from proteam/armson , diamond labs etc still have my first agd classic
anyone know what the velocity screw thread size is? the tourny lock size
Shooting vid!
i still have my splash anodized micromag its 25 yrs old
What about a RT automag?
shit i miss my mags... had both the standard and the RT.
The reason mags fell off in popularity is because Tom Kaye refused to give the Gardner brothers any money over the e marker parent. It's said his exact words were "I'd rather never make another electronic gun over give them one penny" and true to his word he has not and the company followed that path as well
what do beaver tails do?
They help beavers swim and pack mud.
lol plz i really wanna know whats it for on an autococker
Ever shoot a .45 1911 and get bit by the slide? Same principal. Stopped the bite
On an autococker you can hit the cocking rod at the same time as you pull the trigger. This causes the gun to shoot really hot. It was called thumping. The beaver tail stops you from doing that.
Wish I had bought a auto mag when I started playing….. all the old heads were like “get a 98 Custom!” So I did. About $800 later it had cUstom SS lines to a small drop foreword, and Palmer regulator, upgraded bolt, spring, valve, charging handle, 18V revvy freak barrel kit (first got a 32 degrees whisper because they’re loud af but then realized my already terrible efficiency gOt was worse)RT trigger (that I drilled and tapped myself @13yrs old against the advice of the old heads) and then I had a custom painted 76LB artillery piece that cost waaaay too much for what it did. Regrets.
The reason automags never made a come back for mech tournaments like cockers is because of how the marker functions. Because they are able to be modded with RT capable valves into absolute beasts there is a reputation that follows them as a whole. A well built pneumag will still destroy any modern spool valve marker thats a mech. Go watch the deadly wind hAir valve video from 2004 for automags that was never released, thats a machine gun.
I have both an automag and a micromag. Love my automag but don't use my micromag. Since I don't use it and collects dust I'd rather someone get some use and fun out of it like I did and still do with my automag. Was trying to figure out what it's worth but so far my research is next to nothing.
I had one of these back in the late 90's early 2000 and had no clue what it was, I thought it was a piece of crap and dont remember what happened to it, I wish I had it again to build off of
They banned mags from tourny play. That's why cockers are still huge.
Why they do that? Claiming RT mags aren’t (idk, trigger assist/response) instead of true semi?
my micromag valve has 3 stars still
From a cocker guy all flipping day.
Go micro for accuracy. If you can find them that is. They are coveted for a reason.
Minimags were longer bodies than automags.
FASR. Forward Air Spring Return.....not spool.
Barrels were Twistlock.
Wasn't aware any automag was a spool. Thought they was all FASR.
@@GodOfWar109 They are. You are correct.
@@josephholt7425 Short explanation: TL:DR; *The 'Mag is not a spool valve even though the powertube is a rough approximation of a spool valve concept. And it's not a FASOR because an Automag is volume dependent not dwell dependent.*
Long explanation :
Automags are NEITHER FASOR nor Spool Valve, they are an Unbalanced mid-regulated fixed volume blow forward. *Automags do have a spool valve in the powertube, but so does an Autococker 3-way.*
FASOR's use a solenoid or mechanically actuated pneumatic shunt to move a *Pre-Regulated* power pulse of gas to push forward on their firing valve assembly.
Usually this firing assembly is in a second "stacked" lower tube , though one could make a staggered tube akin to Angels or the AKALMP Viking markers.
The closest to an In-Line FASOR action marker that has been released has been the JDS King Cobra and later under Simon Stevens, the Invert Mini & Empire Axe. and while these do rely on the spring for returning the bolt and are metered poppet valves there is no hammer assembly.
*The JDS king Cobra, Invert Mini and Empire Axe are not truly FASOR markers.* They are officially classified as *Unbalanced Articulation forward Spring Bolt Return In-Line Poppet markers.*
*A FASOR marker's operation is set by dwell time to control how long a Poppet Valve, an Automag's operation is set by volumetric pressure.*
An Automag is not reliant on a spool valve for the firing process only the venting of the powerpulse as either a shot or in the case of the Lv 10 bolt a "chuff" if the bolt's movement is obstructed. Nor does the automag utilize a cupseal & stem system such as a Nelson valve, Sheridan valve,or Schrader valve. ( These latter three are all variants of Poppet Valve Concepts.)
The Level 10 bolt is a built in mechanical anti chop and is EXCEPTIONALLY gentle on even the most brittle/fragile tournament grade paint stored at lower than ambient temprature.
Automags do not regulate until the midpoint. Said regulator is not a "normally off" regulator it is a free jet. Meaning the gas is directed to two different directions as it simultaneously fills the Dump chamber and is regulated When you release the trigger.
When you squeeze the trigger you are impinging upon the On/Off pin valve assembly cutting off the gas that normally would flow into the dump chamber and the regulator while opening the airway for the power pulse of gas to propel the bolt and the ball forward.
The regulator required for a FASOR is "Normally Off" until the pressure behind the spring stack, Bellvue washers, or piston assembly come up past the maximum pressure you have dialed it to is then allows a metered amount of air through until the pressure on the other side meets the limit that you have dialed into.
Hence the description of "Normally Off" as in until it gets enough gas behind the pre-set limiter it is "off". ( I.E. it's doing nothing, not letting gas through.)
The regulator on every Automag is a "Free Jet" in that the regulator spring stack is ALWAYS allowing gas through ( to be regulated as it flows) and YOU are in COMPLETE control of when that valve gets shut off/ is allowed to recharge.
The operation of ANY Automag is as follows:
Squeeze trigger: On/Off pin goes up, valve shuts off, airway is opened, all available gas is sent through the dump chamber into the powertube and out the bolt.
Once all gas from the dump chamber is expended through the powertube and bolt? Resistance to the mainspring is lowered, spring pressure impinges upon the bolt returning it to it's rearmost position.
Release trigger: On/Off pin moves down due to the gas pressure acting upon it without the force of leverage from the sear engaging it. Thus allowing gas to flow into the marker's dump chamber and regulator *At the same time.* The pin of the On/Off valve Seals the airway where it would vent through to the powertube. At roughly the same time the sear engages on the rear ledge of the bolt under minimal pressure. These two later actons happen not the Exact same time due to a built-in mechanical bias, but they happen in a fraction of a second of each other.
Repeat until opponents on the field are eliminated, or you are eliminated.
Reet first
The mods for the mag made things worse not better. There was also a bolt and a value mod for this gun. They just made one of the most reliable guns very unreliable. Only useful mod was the grip in the front.
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Noobs would have macrolines on an automag
Automag was a sham.
$399 and no barrel lol
because the cocker could outperform the mag earlier and the mag didn't catch up until later
The micromag had a better overlall designed than the auto cocker. Especially if you can get a new enelectronic group.
Coming from someone who played in those days and owns SEVERAL of both which still see use today? Baldercrap.. They both performed very well the reason you see more Autocockers these days? More people are making more products for autococker.. you can still get a custom Automag to this day, but if you want custom parts? you're either going to Luke's customs or Tunaman. and both of these paths mean you'll have to get the custom parts anodized.
Let’s talk about the unreliable design.
Prolite ftw
Thing leaks every other game.
Literally