Auction Ford F150: TIMING Codes & LOW POWER! (PHAD Pressure Transducers)
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- This 2007 Ford F150 came from the auction with a severe LOW POWER complaint, and occasional TERRIBLE engine sounds.
Sure enough, P0012 and P0022 timing codes are stored.
Looks like a closed case: needs new timing PHASERS, right?
This is a perfect example of where the PARTS CANNON can get you in trouble very quickly!!
Let's start from scratch, gather some data on a test drive, and see what the root cause of the problem is.
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Ivan
Ivan very nice video mate ... thanks for sharing ...
btw your pressure transducer i got ... is one of the best stuff for my scope !!!
thank you.
P.S i need more practice in that kind of waveforms but the tool is amazing :)
Glad you are enjoying using the PHAD Pressure Transducer, Andreas!
In all the years I've watched you, you definitely get the hardest cars to diagnose I've seen on UA-cam and somehow you always figure it out
The twisted cam was the best diagnose with eric o
He is qualified to be a technician astronaut at the space station.
Once you get the new cat installed, I'd sure like to see the data run again. Hopefully the cat ran it's normal life expectancy. However it could be more. The scope and data tell the story.
If there was some bonus footage I bet I would order a transducer.
2007 F-150 I'm just over 300000 miles.
4.6L. it's been a good truck no problems with the motor so far. Transmission.rear end👍.It's unreal no oil leaks.
4.6L and 5.4L Triton 2 valve are almost bullet proof engines.
Ivan, great diagnostics! There may be more going on there with the timing, but the low engine RPM could be simulating a problem that may or may not be there. You proved a problem that needs to be fixed before any other proper troubleshooting can be done. Thanks for the great case study!!
I would think there is still a low oil pressure issue when hot in addition to the clogged cat. I would like to buy one of your transducers as well. Good job Ivan you are a great instructor.
Anytime I heard phaser problems, my first thought is "how is the engine oil?" When was it last changed? Is it the right weight?
Ivan, could you do a series on regular maintenance and what happens when the maintenance is not done? Might help people keep up on maintaining their rides.
I disagree. You cannot tell people how to maintain their vehicles. That's why a vehicle manual is there to help. All they want to do is drive and complain and bitch when their vehicles act up. Now you tell them. Your cats are plugged up. How much is is going to cost??
O that's to much.
Can I drive it ??
I tell them no
Well the code says a new o2 sensor is what I was told?
I tell them. It's your choice. If you want to buy and install a 02 sensor. That's your choice.
Good day...
This is a high level diagnostic channel, not a basic how to maintain and change your oil type of channel. There are plenty of those already
Who'd have thought that PHAD Pressure Transducers would make excellent Xmas gifts. Nicely plugged Ivan.
At the risk of sounding like Matt. You having a plugged converter is a Hypothesis not a Theory.
It definitely seems like something timing related is going on but also due to the running rich/lean condition could have cooked the cats to add insult to injury
Thanks for talking us a long while you diagnosed the problem. I really enjoy your videos. 👍
I would like to see the oil pressure readings on the transducer as well , Not only do these chains and phasers fail , but so does oil pressure
😁
what oil pressure? 🤣
Keith your comments on Ivan’s videos are like a true mentor. Not bossy or overbearing, but genuinely interested in providing direction.
Like ObiWan to Luke. Lol. “Use the transducer on the oil Ivan”
Great diagnosis again Ivan! Guessing the transducer set up to the o2 sensor bongs took 20mins then you mentioned that the test is around 5 mins but worth the effort to pinpoint the actual faulty component. Hope the see the data once the clogged cat is changed to at least have closure. Cheers!
i would also check the rockers under the cam to see if any are worn out or missing
Ivan, here's a fun one for you - buddy of mine has a 2019 Cadillac XT4. The dealer did some work to it, and left a ground loose, resulting in a no comm, crank no start condition. The electricks in the car make it spin and spin and spin, and all the while, it's injecting fuel. Naturally, while the dealer was diagnosing, they'd just hit the button and let it crank till it timed out.
This alone was enough to burn down the converter in it. He had the car back for a few weeks, and boom, got a P0420.
I love my PHAD transducer. Hey my friend almost called you the other day. Have a new student start school where I work. The 7 year old and his parents speak very little English they are from Russia. Almost needed a translator.
Yep, check the oil pressure when it gets hot. I know you know the "gauge" on these Ford trucks is not a real gauge. If the pressure is above about 7psig, it reads mid-scale.
Phazer's on stun!? 💣
Photon torpedos
Set Phasers to Stun. Good song.
I actually called this one several minutes before You did Ivan! It was a hypothesis on my part, but turned out correct! I owe it to the best diag tech Mentor on the UA-cams. Thank You Ivan!!
Yep....Watched his video's and fixed my Nissan.......Ivan is a GENIUS !!!!!!
I only got the guess about 30 seconds before Ivan mentioned it. It's only because Eric O. and Ivan have been such amazing tutors that I put the pieces of the puzzle together. These two guys are the best of the best since Keith moved on to other pursuits. You guys are entertaining and excellent teachers. You make me wish I could afford a smart diagnostic tablet like the one Ivan has been using lately but I only work on my own machines.
Try out a Launch x431 if You can swing it Marscruz. They are great!
@@brianw8963 I can't justify spending $1200 on a scan tool that I might use a couple of times a year. About a quarter of that would be my cutoff.
Ivan thank you for saying the name Bernie Thompson in one of your last few videos. That man is a treasure trove of information and education.
FordMakuloco for the 5.4.
Damn called CAT as soon as it dogged out, classic symptom. but just got lucky LOL
Me just getting into diy oil change and basic repair watching this: So you wanna diy huh?!
Something like this I would leave to professionals like you. Thanks for the videos!! :)
These days a person can learn this in an Automotive Tech School.
DIY oil changes? May I make a suggestion with some four plus decades of intense DIY under my belt... Look into vacuum extraction as the process for oil changes. You'll have to research or carefully experiment if the vacuum tube will get to the bottom of your oil pan. But, once that hurdle is crossed, vacuum extraction is the way to go. Keep the oil changed a couple of times a year and stretch out the oil filter change interval to every three years...
I love the process for its simplicity so much, I removed the oil pan of my 1993 C1500 pickup truck and modified the internal slosh baffles in addition to welding in some blocking plates so the vacuum tube would never get hung up.
Now, I no longer have to jack up any of the family's vehicles to perform a simple oil change. The process only takes 20 minutes tops. And every other Summer or so the vehicles are up on jack stands for other maintenance and that's when I swap the oil filters for new ones.
In ancient times, many places carried a simple manual brass bilge pump that could also doubled as a way to drain old oil via a thin tube put down the dipstick on inboard boat motors. Or from your car and pickup for that matter. A pair of thick gloves were a also good idea if pumping out hot oil was your thing. As time went on "anti pollution" measures were taken which seemed purposely designed to defeat this procedure.
@@russellstephan6844 Hey, I appreciate your comment quite a bit actually! I have a 2006 Accord, manual, 2 door, 155k miles I recently bought out of necessity for daily commute.. and I love it, more than the 2017 camry I owned. Just something about the way it drives and the older style of things still persisting in the vehicle.
Anyway! My first oil change, the filter was extremely tough to get at. I was forced to go in through the passenger wheel well and couldn't see the mating surface of the engine once removed. Next time I'll try jacking a bit higher with wood, or some other tricks I've seen online. But yes, pump suction for oil changes is right up there on my list of research! Thank you.
More than welcome! Keep on the DIY thing, for sure. Over my lifetime, I'm confident I will have saved over a quarter of a million dollars in automotive expenses due to DIY. Not only can I perform nearly *any* professional shop task, I don't have to buy new cars. Used cars are cheap and don't need loans to obtain (savings on interest payments). And since there's no loan and the car is effectively disposable, I don't have to carry collision insurance (more savings). No one wants to steal my rides, either.
My profession was high-end IT. I did work at a service station pumping gas back in the day, but most of my fix-it skills have been through self-education and the school of practical hands-on fix-it-by-Monday-or-you're-going-to-need-a-ride-to-work deadline.
Good luck on this journey. It will have its moments of high frustration. But, as with any valuable skill, stick with it and work through the difficulties.
Yes, good call. would like to see more with that diagnosis. Part 2
I’d be interested in seeing a P/S sensor 1 and sensor 2 holes compared with the pressure inducers.
Big exhaust restriction tell tale is, seems to run decent at first start up but quickly degrades. Eventually rough idle and stalling. But you knew that Ivan, 🤩.
Pop those front sensors out and run it again. 🤔
Maybe change the oil.
I stopped at 12:20. My first thought is a blocked cat. Now I will resume to see what it is/was. 13:38 "clogged cat" lol The laser temp probe is in order. Hot as hell on one end, cold as ice on the other. :)
Wow, very cool diagnosis!! I would thought the phasers will go bad if it was aftermarket stuff in it. But that sounds right with bad cats!! Awesome video!! Love it! Any chance of part 2? Or part 3? Hahaha!! Many thumbs up!
5.4L Triton 2 valve (Absolutely great engine)
5.4L Triton 3 valve (That's the one with some issues)
Not necessarily. Maintain them both, keep the oil clean, and you'll get 200k plus miles no problem. The 3-valve doesn't tolerate neglect.
@@adotintheshark4848 Very true. Some people complain about vehicles cause they treat them like crap and then say Ford this, or Chevy that.
Waiting for part 2....and 3 😁
Nice work Mr.ivan👍
Yeah just helped my bud replace cats on same truck, replaced the whole exhaust. Here in Michigan salt city, rust belt. The truck is coated with that fluid film so it’s solid but the exhaust was so so with a clogged cat. He’s goin to keep it so he bought the whole thing, hangers and all
Plugged cat is difficult for a DIY to diagnose. It shouldn't have been enough to send the truck to auction though.
South main auto uses a PHOD pressure transducer, if Eric can do it, I can…well try 😂
Ivan you should be doing the Key On Engine Off test while diagnosing a Ford. It will give better results.
I clicked your order page... and started reading about you. What a good read! [and pictures] God bless you and Amanda [who i saw a few vid's ago]
You should create a kit that consists of two transducers and two long hoses. The DoubleDucer
Neat/interesting for Ivan, means “troubling” to me …
160k when was the last time it had plugs. those are the root cause of misses and lean codes and probably what cooked the cat.
my brother thought his tranny was taking a dump. all sorts of weird shiftng. had lean codes and missfire code. took it for a ride about 150 feet. put plugs in it fixed everything.
With all your huge experience, Vanya, having such a simptoms, you should take a look at backpressure as one of the first)))
I would be concerned about base oil pressure being low due to various leaks internally. The cam timing should not be affected by the exhaust restriction as it likely goes bad idling hot in drive due to low oil pressure.
Can you test if it runs better with the O2 sensor removed leaving an open hole? 20 psi should push a lot of gas out even a small opening.
Not really, these big V8's have "2.5 exhaust systems, the "3/8 O2 port is not gonna be very much and one simply cannot run a vehicle without O2 sensors anyway.
@@barryaiello3127 You can run without o2 sensors.
@@paulturgeon2259 It will run only in "limp mode", the O2 sensors play a huge part in the PCM determining how much each injector should be turned on for, they cannot just be "deleted".
You could, but it would probably melt the firewall since the O2 hole was facing directly at it lol
Great video! Your scan tool seems like a nice one. They can get expensive as you know.
Add cam phaser transducers to the bill. So proper timimg. Possibly add a tuneup or check the plugs.
After the cat is replaced.
I've got over 385k on my original 03 Chevy cats. It's finally showing its time for new cats. That's 18 years on them. Do my maintenance as per my manual.
Awesome as always. Such an effective and efficient diagnosis technique
Dealer finds out the price of catalytic convertor and how high they shot up...... "Time to do some sketchy sh!t doo da doo da, I hope I dont get caught doo da day"
Plugged cat is my guess at around 12 minutes, symptoms check out and the P0420 is a clue. Let's see :)
That code does not mean plugged cat though, I got 2 Hondas with that code and they run like champions... That code means non working.....
@@turboimport95 Of course it doesn't mean it's plugged, but the code confirmed it in this instance. It's not working because it's plugged. But usually yes, it's not working but it flows fine.
Engine stumbling down causing the oil pressure to drop enough to affect the phaser?
Definitely especially if it was idling low enough or at long times
Yeah, especially if it was kind of tired and had slightly low oil pressure to begin with.
Thumbs up for constipation!
FYI, talcum powder quiets squeaky belts without making a mess. Squealing belts drive me crazy. 🙂
I would look at the engine temperature on the scanner that can indicate a plugged catalyst if the temperature rises suddenly
Great video. That pressure transducer looks very neat. I only have a Uscope so it doesn't look like it would work with that.
Guess I should have read comments first... I just questioned if they work with uScope or not... I had a feeling they don't... Bummer... Pico scope is way more tool than I'd use or need at the moment... Maybe someday.... 💰
It's a transducer that puts out a voltage. Why would it not work with a U-Scope?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I'm glad to hear that they do. I may have to get one.
Can't even count how many of the F150s / Explorers / Mountaineers we've had come in with a failed catalytic converter due to misfires from bad plugs. Nobody wants to change them out on the 4.6 / 5.4 3vs, but unfortunately it just exacerbates their future repair costs.
I think the vvt phasers made it missfire which then killed the cat would be my guess
An interesting version.
Ivan how about a follow up on the repairs......
"Cat replaced, truck runs great" ;)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Вот как!? Информативное сообщение... Откуда появлялись ошибки по пониженному питанию?
Right from the front seat. Thanks Ivan!
An interesting one. Bad cat, ouch. These generation of F-150's had crappy solder joints on the back of the instrument cluster causing weird things to happen like the red brake light coming on along with the dome light and cargo lamp on the back of the cab. I don't know if that's the cause of the red brake light here or not though but just a thought. My truck had some ghost misfires earlier this spring but I have not felt any lately, hmmmm. Plugs only have about 30-35k on them.
great christmas present for my girlfriend. 2 pressure transducers.
Dear Mr. Ivan, I wonder if this car have engine load PID and whether if such PID would be like a supplement indication along with MAF reading toward a clogged cat, and as you know that simple vacuum gauge would show such a constipation. If your recording includes engine load PID, I wonder what was it at idle and under half and full load or when the car starts acting up. Many thanks for your great videos. John Kaplanian.
Something tells me that you're going to reevaluate the cam phases and oil pressure
I think I saw Ford Boss go through 4 or more alternators before getting a good one.
With the timing issues and cylinder misfires on the 5.4 3v it toasts the cats. Gonna have to replace both after repairs to engine
Excellent video Ivan.
Very interesting.
Hey Ivan! I was wondering will the pressure transducer work with my Modis or do i need a Pico? Keep up the good work btw.
Yes. It will work with any scope.
Yes John, it just converts mechanical things like pressure into scope data that can be very precise compared to a hand held gauge. It can be used on any scope.
Show us the finished product??
Did the customer run off to do the repairs ??
Good video 👍. Part 2?
Measure temperature of convertors fore and aft.
What are your thoughts on the launch tablet vs the think car pro? I’m leaning more think car pro because you use it all the time and it never lets you down!! Lol
Love my Launch Torque. On this Ford it has the IDS power balance option, exactly the same as the oem tool.
But the Think does look good also I must say.
Just chop off the cats and run it, figure out if there is a cam/phaser issue and figure out if he wants to fix it or ship it
OK, but why was the cat clogged? Misfires? But then, what is causing the misfires?
Interesting that it set the "system too lean" code as well. Wondering if that's because of the clogged cat or if there is other problem, like vacuum leak?
Отсоединить выпускной коллектор от катализаторов и проехаться... Какое там крепление, на фланцах, на хомутах?
Love the content great videos keep up the good work
Hi clogged cat should lead to richer trim ,....? Can anyone explain why it's positive this time..?
Phasers? Do you got to set them to stun first? Do you have to first fill out an ID10T form?
I'm calling VVT solenoids, before watching the video.
EDIT: Thats a miss
Hey at least you're honest, THAT'S BEEN A RARITY IN THIS WORLD FOR QUITE SOMETIME. Personally I was clueless, LOL.
Those phasers have trouble at cold all the time. If he used a misfire scope, would have seen no issue. Cat input and output was the storyline. Could have measured cat temperature and notice temp difference too. A misfire for an extended period of time will destroy a cat with unburied fuel- been there
Everybody knows what phasers are, that's what the starship Enterprise fired at the Klingons. sheesh 😂
Endoscopic camera for final proof.
Hey Ivan what is ? boom boom boom ?
Those damn vct are definitely acting up for sure
Won't a clogged cat always block the exhaust? Cold or hot,why would a clog cat drive good sometimes then bad other times, or is there more problems to this truck, can any explain, nice diagnosis btw ,🙃
Ivan, in your opinion, is that think tool scanner better than the Launch X431 V+?
I have the launch, it’s a great tool but his seems a little better
ThinkTool is more rugged and has a metal stand, which is great for daily field use :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics You skirted my question! lol
Great video. I was thinking early on it could be the trucks main computer, shows how much I know! My son's 2003 Honda Accord has the code for a bad cat but is otherwise running OK. Replacement cats are selling for as little as $100 on eBay and Amazon, do they actually work?
Are the error codes listed in the order they first occur?
What is your secret for removing the O2 sensors w/o destroying them or the manifold? What is the difference, besides several hundred dollars to acquire, between the 2021 Thinktool Pro($756.99) and the 2021 Thinktool ProS($1,169 - coupon) you link to in the Show-more box?
Bigger screen, faster speed, more features 👍
This is why I'm getting ford electric truck.
Great video...
Clogged exhaust or not, misfires or not, those phasers should NEVER stick like that. Something's going on there.
Vvt solenoid
I have the pico 2205a two channel scope. Will this pressure transducer work ok with it?
5.4L Trition?
Yes. 5.4L 3 valve
@@bobbydelamar606 Oh, dear. He needs to walk away. Walk away.
@@phprofYT 😂 Yeah. He's the guru so he can fix it. The 5.4L Triton 2 valve is a great engine. This 5.4L Triton 3 valve has issues but taken care of, I've seen them last.
Another great video.
Why doesn't the truck monitor it's own catalytic pressure?
gOOD JOB
Ivan did you get your 100k subs milestone youtube button?
What think car scanner do you use?
What is better than one transducer? Using two pressure transducers. What is even better than using two pressure transducers? Knowing how to build your own pressure transducers. 😁😁
I really would have liked to get one of those pressure transducers, but unfortunately Dr. Fauci already cancelled Christmas so I will have to wait until Easter. 😬
hehe two pt's for the win 👍
Great video Ivan as usual. I'm a little confused was the plug cat causing the over retarded and over advanced codes or are those separate codes that need to be looked at after the fix of the cat and if the cat is causing that why did it cause those camshaft codes
most likely since the cat was clogged, that slowed engine rpm making it sluggish, ecu detected high throttle and load but low rpm, so it was advancing or retarding timing trying to make the engine breath, It maxed out the degrees it could turn and "thought" it needed more so it figured the phasers were not moving enough. So it threw the cam codes...
@@turboimport95 thanks for that explanation. That makes sense
@@turboimport95 An interesting version. But rather complicated ... I think there is a simpler reason.