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  • Опубліковано 4 чер 2023
  • Welcome to TomFM! In today's Football Manager 2023 experiment video Every team gets promoted or relegated in the English Football League, causing absolute chaos in FM23.
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  • @bababababababa6124
    @bababababababa6124 11 місяців тому +288

    MK Dons getting relegated from the National League is pretty much how I expect their next few years to be 😂

    • @gui18bif
      @gui18bif 11 місяців тому +25

      Let's hope

    • @huntungriffle8121
      @huntungriffle8121 11 місяців тому +3

      Up the fucking dons

    • @archiesmith6023
      @archiesmith6023 11 місяців тому +4

      i hope not mate

    • @AtomicSpino
      @AtomicSpino 11 місяців тому +5

      Im a dons fan and we had a dreadful season, literally last season we got third then we place 21st? They're not fit to wear the shirt

    • @core_russell3869
      @core_russell3869 10 місяців тому

      ​@@AtomicSpinoas a Newport County fan, it's the same here, we were in the play offs the other year and now we're crap

  • @neffersonjickel3901
    @neffersonjickel3901 11 місяців тому +429

    This was an interesting experiment! I'd love to see one where the English pyramid gets 0 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 3 points for a loss.
    The worst teams would rise to the top, get Prem/European money, get better and then start getting less points.
    Cups, Europe, and Internationals would stay the same as they are in real life.

    • @Sirjohnfootball
      @Sirjohnfootball 11 місяців тому +1

      What a f*cking stupid idea

    • @NathanHeaver
      @NathanHeaver 11 місяців тому +15

      Yes that will be fun

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому +72

      Great idea!

    • @timokarff6162
      @timokarff6162 11 місяців тому +7

      @@TomFM Based on that: What would happen if a win and a draw both get you 2 points, and 1 point for a loss?

    • @Will_Flatt
      @Will_Flatt 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TomFM come on Tom we should do it

  • @M4tth3wH1
    @M4tth3wH1 11 місяців тому +90

    As a Leicester fan seeing this after we actually got relegated irl, watching us finishing 6th in this is just so painful 😂😭

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому +4

      Maybe you'll manager 6th in the Championship next season? 😂

    • @M4tth3wH1
      @M4tth3wH1 11 місяців тому +1

      @TomFM maybe haha. Got to get the recruitment right on and and off the field before we start thinking about getting back up. Great video btw, keep up the good work 👍

  • @Koeienmelker09
    @Koeienmelker09 11 місяців тому +35

    Fulham did very well, 3 Europa League's, 2 Champions league finals and 1 conference league Final. (This was nice to see as a Fulham fan)

  • @DefensorLF
    @DefensorLF 11 місяців тому +131

    Tom what if you made it so top 5 euro league teams had to play with south american nation rules (for example, all english clubs get put into brasil , having to play with brazil's selection rules and calendar, spain into argentina's calendar, italy into chile ect) and the other way around (brazil teams into the prem, argentinian in la liga)

  • @Theepicgolem123
    @Theepicgolem123 11 місяців тому +8

    6:39 i cant imagine the amount of cleaning that spurs did to that dusty trophy cabinet to fit in those league cup trophies

  • @liamthomas9622
    @liamthomas9622 11 місяців тому +56

    I'd love to see the English leagues have the "Belgian playoffs" and see if that affects what happens up and down the leagues

  • @fabianbailey488
    @fabianbailey488 11 місяців тому +53

    UP THE BROMLEY BOYS 🎉🎉🎉

  • @zHawkC
    @zHawkC 11 місяців тому +6

    The strangest thing about this is how consistently low the goal difference is. Would expect the prem teams that stay top 8 to all have massive GD vs the yoyo teams. Also saw some league winners with only +20 GD which seems really odd

  • @erethjallsen8819
    @erethjallsen8819 11 місяців тому +2

    You’ve been killing it with the cool ideas recently! Love it Tom!

  • @bensquires2819
    @bensquires2819 11 місяців тому +5

    Missed Newport County being stuck in the conference and Southend going up.

  • @daansaras138
    @daansaras138 11 місяців тому +29

    Hi Tom, I like the idea and I'm curious how the teams in The Netherlands will do. Do you have a shortcut how to easily change the competition rules?
    Thanks in advance!

    • @OzgurOri
      @OzgurOri 11 місяців тому

      .

    • @core_russell3869
      @core_russell3869 11 місяців тому

      This needs more attention because I need to know now

  • @GYFC420
    @GYFC420 11 місяців тому +3

    Idea:in the first szn only 1 team gets relegated but 1 more team gets relegated every season until every team goes down except for 1st place and then they would win

  • @gumpastee
    @gumpastee 11 місяців тому

    This is a really good idea. I'm impressed by your originality

  • @SpoopyGamer
    @SpoopyGamer 11 місяців тому +10

    FA Cup "nobody out the ordinary won it" Bruh, a small team like Everton won it twice

    • @senanjackson3364
      @senanjackson3364 11 місяців тому

      Since when are Everton small?

    • @SpoopyGamer
      @SpoopyGamer 11 місяців тому +1

      @@senanjackson3364 Always were, Always will be

    • @senanjackson3364
      @senanjackson3364 11 місяців тому +1

      @DomRawR ah well that definitely isn't true, they're a big team. Big team doesn't just mean the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool, sue even Newcastle are big

    • @rogercrane1767
      @rogercrane1767 11 місяців тому +3

      Must have started watching in the last decade, or joking. everton are historically massive

    • @SpoopyGamer
      @SpoopyGamer 11 місяців тому +1

      🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣

  • @Noname-uo2oz
    @Noname-uo2oz 11 місяців тому

    Really loving the videos for a while now Tom, you deserve the 100k🔥

  • @TheKoesti123
    @TheKoesti123 11 місяців тому +5

    Can you change the qualification spots for Europe? What if all second leagues of a nation (so Championship, Ligue 2, Serie B, Bundesliga 2, ...) get all the qualification spots for Europe?

  • @stephenfrankland485
    @stephenfrankland485 11 місяців тому

    love to see this as just the top and bottom 10 change, leave a few open spots for maintaining league

  • @joshualiley
    @joshualiley 11 місяців тому +2

    I think it would be more interesting with an 8 up, 8 stay, 8 down model so that teams could get a foothold and have the chance to spring up without having a massive dwarf in class all in 1 go

  • @gracielynn9623
    @gracielynn9623 11 місяців тому

    I love to see you make a video about what if you replaced the bottom eight English championship sides with the top 8 USL championship sides from last season. Could be quite interesting.

  • @villabear
    @villabear 11 місяців тому +1

    Fairly new subscriber here. Love the content. I’d like to see a completely random football league. All 92 sides get randomised into their league. Probably a lot of work but interesting to see how quick sides drop and the cream rises to the top.

    • @Fizzydog77
      @Fizzydog77 11 місяців тому

      This would actually be really cool, I second this!!

  • @christianlenik5307
    @christianlenik5307 11 місяців тому +3

    0:08 "ELITE" Lincoln 😂

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому +1

      Got to represent

    • @christianlenik5307
      @christianlenik5307 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TomFM On My Manager Savegame, Lincoln won the FA-Cup...
      ...while being relegated to National League...

  • @vangoal172
    @vangoal172 11 місяців тому

    Tom thank you very much, your content is really cool, sending you love from Tunisia 🖤

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoy it! Love to Tunisia!

  • @cameronlinley96
    @cameronlinley96 11 місяців тому +1

    "Wrexham seem to be the biggest Yo-Yo club of all time"
    THEY ARE ALL YO-YO CLUBS TOM

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому

      You make a good point...

  • @guismodrum78
    @guismodrum78 11 місяців тому

    Very entertaining, thank you Tom

  • @crowreligion
    @crowreligion 11 місяців тому

    Lets expriment this
    Win - 3 points
    Draw - 1 point AND add 0.1 to k unless k is 2.
    k is 0.5 when each season starts.
    k has a minimum limit of 0.5 and maximum limit of 2.0
    Lose - all your points that you have currently collected gets k times itself. Also, if k isnt 0.5, reduce 0.1 from k.
    Additionally, to get more draws, there is no overtime.

  • @Rugby0nTop
    @Rugby0nTop 5 місяців тому

    I love how Burnley just did not change the entire video

  • @Ant_FM
    @Ant_FM 11 місяців тому

    Get in! Stoke won the conference league 😊 that has made my day! If only if it came true. Brilliant video Tom that was a great one.

  • @samtyler689
    @samtyler689 11 місяців тому +1

    59 year old be celebrating a European trophy in Portugal would be nice! (Also just nice to see Charlton doing well in a save, we’re usually rubbish!)

  • @ah_effe
    @ah_effe 11 місяців тому +1

    You should do a save with reversed prize money in the top 5 leagues and europe too. (Like 1st in england get the least amount of money)

  • @Bcfc2011
    @Bcfc2011 4 місяці тому +1

    At the start when he said it’s not looking good for the blues I’m like ugh cuz that’s my team and FRANK LAMPARD OH HELL NAH luckily we got prometed back up

  • @aaronroberts291
    @aaronroberts291 11 місяців тому +1

    Do a rebuild of Newport County from their European stints in the 80’s. Every video nowadays they go from L2 to the 7th tier and would be good to see them succeed

  • @EuanBCFC
    @EuanBCFC 11 місяців тому

    6:24 I mean, Yeovil have literally done exactly the same as Scunthorpe irl, but in a shorter time period

  • @user-iw4ue8zz1n
    @user-iw4ue8zz1n 4 місяці тому

    I loved that my club (Bath City) did appear in this video 3 times 😊

  • @MNFM21
    @MNFM21 11 місяців тому

    thanks for doing my suggestion xD

  • @BhlackBishop
    @BhlackBishop 11 місяців тому

    The top prem clubs probably poached all the good players that got relegated hence getting stronger and stronger every season. That sweet first division money must be well shared across the country by now.

  • @frog605
    @frog605 11 місяців тому

    hi tom, good vid. can you rank all of the FM games that you have played

  • @flak509
    @flak509 11 місяців тому

    CHAOS! I love it Tom 😂😂

  • @GenericZac
    @GenericZac 11 місяців тому

    Doing this experiment with all ten tiers of English football would be mayhem

  • @caseyjennett7446
    @caseyjennett7446 11 місяців тому

    Interesting one for you. The most successful team in the European competitions each season get relegated to the national league (or equivalent). Should spring some interesting results me thinks

  • @teddietubehd5307
    @teddietubehd5307 11 місяців тому

    You should try a reverse table.
    20th win the title
    20-17th all get Champions League
    16-15th Europa
    and 14th Conference.
    Those in 1st, 2nd and 3rd all get relegated.

  • @waveringvermin2102
    @waveringvermin2102 11 місяців тому

    York promoted to league 1, all we have to do is wait until 2062 and hope someone in the FA has an aneurysm and implements these rules. The dream is alive…

  • @lewiswoods2012
    @lewiswoods2012 11 місяців тому

    PLEASE HELP ME, where in the pregame editor can you chnage the promotion and relegation spots i have looked in keague standings etc but cannot find it anywhere

  • @danmoody8244
    @danmoody8244 11 місяців тому

    Interesting concept would love to play this as mod in fm

  • @jamesminor8576
    @jamesminor8576 11 місяців тому

    That 2026 League One season was MAD!!!

  • @andylindress
    @andylindress 11 місяців тому

    How do you do this Tom in the editor? Have you got a video you can share or a link?

  • @Billymortzz
    @Billymortzz 9 місяців тому

    Need to redo this but with every single league in England, would be very interestint

  • @ellibod1
    @ellibod1 11 місяців тому

    Is this available on the steam workshop? The all team’s promoted or relegated thing

  • @nhantnt
    @nhantnt 11 місяців тому

    1:46 LOL
    Also Gillingham is one of my favorite teams, it's great to see them in the Championship, then the National League, then the National League again, to League One, to League Two. Never a premier league though ;-;
    And as a red, it's funny how Man Utd was relegated in their first season :V

  • @englishdragon88
    @englishdragon88 11 місяців тому

    I’ve only recently discovered your UA-cam channel and I’m already a big fan of it
    I was just wondering how you’re doing videos like this? Is it from the steam workshop? If not where? I currently play FM23 and I’ve got the English league to the combined county leagues I can’t remember what step that is on the football pyramid but I’m going through that
    I’d love to play through the game with your mods that you have showcased and would like to know where you get the mods

    • @S1NON54
      @S1NON54 11 місяців тому

      he is using in-game editor, than he just simulates seasons and makes saves to check them in the video

  • @S1NON54
    @S1NON54 11 місяців тому

    West Ham after being relegated to championship and promoted to Premier league every year: I`m movin up and down, side to side like rollercoaster

  • @72Reiss
    @72Reiss 11 місяців тому

    Love that experiment!

  • @copious983
    @copious983 11 місяців тому

    I think if you had a prom/rel play-off between the leagues it might have looked very different

  • @ryancheung2399
    @ryancheung2399 11 місяців тому

    What a great experiment. Curious to know how many managers got sacked because of the relegation

  • @cundsmobile4540
    @cundsmobile4540 11 місяців тому

    I have a idea give a random no legue team man citys team and see how long it takes them to get promoted or if the players leave before they get to a champions league

  • @BigD4ddy4G
    @BigD4ddy4G 11 місяців тому +1

    MK Dons in 2062 getting relegated from the National League 👌🏻

  • @nazgulcanellas3047
    @nazgulcanellas3047 11 місяців тому

    How you did it? I have the editor and i don't see this type of options

  • @mhdk677
    @mhdk677 11 місяців тому

    10:20 what's the background song? Sounds so much like a Danish song. Have tried looking up if it's a sample but can't find anything

  • @JayStanTheMan
    @JayStanTheMan 11 місяців тому +1

    What if you moved the MLS, the entire league, to England and placed it right in between the Championship and League One? MLS teams could be promoted to the Championship or relegated to Leauge One and I’d be very curious to see where they ended up after 50 years!

  • @brentton2
    @brentton2 11 місяців тому

    2:05 you’re wrong there as Halifax Town, Bromley and Southend United got promoted instead of Stevenage, Harrogate Town and Newport County

  • @harrytmm
    @harrytmm 11 місяців тому +1

    someone needs to make a datatbase of this

  • @samuelmarron5875
    @samuelmarron5875 5 місяців тому

    Middlesbrough actually came 7th in the 2004/05 season to qualify for Europe the second time around…

  • @mclark8857
    @mclark8857 11 місяців тому

    mental that in the first season Man United got relegated and qualified for the UCL at the same time

  • @austinberwick4927
    @austinberwick4927 11 місяців тому

    watford loved coming 9th in the premier league

  • @llSuperSnivyll
    @llSuperSnivyll 11 місяців тому

    6:22 It could be worse, such as getting relegated anyways when there are only 4 relegated teams.

  • @nadzmipaktam
    @nadzmipaktam 11 місяців тому

    Hi Tom. I have an idea.
    You can build a league with the all champions team from UEFA Coefficient ranking 1 to 20. You also can do vice versa by using last place team to see who's team the worst 😂.

  • @oscarscadds36
    @oscarscadds36 11 місяців тому +1

    Weymouth (my local club) got to league one lol like that’s ever going to happen ever

  • @nickysturzu
    @nickysturzu 11 місяців тому

    Maybe you can create an experiment like the Super League, but with promotion and relegation, like Super League A, Super League B and so on...

  • @jacobthompson5697
    @jacobthompson5697 11 місяців тому +1

    You should do every team is in the promotion playoffs next

  • @GingerTwat1
    @GingerTwat1 11 місяців тому +1

    I just subbed (at 99k) reloaded and you were then at 100k 👍👍

  • @MOONPSLA
    @MOONPSLA 15 днів тому

    South Shields is where I am from!!

  • @Mr1nv1s1ble
    @Mr1nv1s1ble 11 місяців тому +2

    Anyone else notice that at the end of the 2041 season, Newcastle went down but had a UCL spot? Did they win it and finish 10th?👀

    • @charlespickering1416
      @charlespickering1416 11 місяців тому

      Probably won the europa league

    • @Mr1nv1s1ble
      @Mr1nv1s1ble 11 місяців тому

      @@charlespickering1416 I did also think this after posting 👍😆

    • @Mr1nv1s1ble
      @Mr1nv1s1ble 11 місяців тому

      @@charlespickering1416 also, why can’t your name be Ronnie?😂🤣

    • @charlespickering1416
      @charlespickering1416 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Mr1nv1s1ble Ronnie has done so much damage to the Pickering name...

    • @Mr1nv1s1ble
      @Mr1nv1s1ble 11 місяців тому

      @@charlespickering1416 who?

  • @einarjuel
    @einarjuel 11 місяців тому

    You've successfully simulated a two-party system

  • @John-hh8lq
    @John-hh8lq 11 місяців тому

    SUGGESTION #1: Is there a way to change the game where the team get the amount of points per how many goals they get in a match? e.g. Arsenal 5 - 3 Spurs... Arsenal get the 5 points (obviously) but Spurs would still get 3 points although they lost?
    SUGGESTION #2: Start all teams in all the divisions in alphabetical order or TOTALLY randomise all teams in all the leagues and see where they end up over 50/100 years?
    SUGGESTION #3: Incorporate a Draft system like the USA do in NFL where the best players are picked from a list?

  • @YTVossy
    @YTVossy 11 місяців тому

    You should turn the money around. So national league teams are earning premier league money and vise versa but for all the divisions.

  • @Gavin8708
    @Gavin8708 11 місяців тому +1

    Yeovil Town did what Luton Town did but backwards💀

  • @noddyjoe
    @noddyjoe 11 місяців тому

    Ah yes, Tranmere fan here - seems we dropped out of existence entirely!

  • @jonathanthompson2912
    @jonathanthompson2912 11 місяців тому

    How do you add extra promotion Nd relegation places

  • @GamingTimeNL
    @GamingTimeNL 11 місяців тому

    Do an experiment before the Bosman Arrest, so every team in Europe can only play 3 foreign players

  • @davidarends668
    @davidarends668 11 місяців тому

    I wonder if any of those Conference League winners were playing in the Championship when they won

  • @Trollolmen
    @Trollolmen 11 місяців тому +4

    Hey Tom, the experiment was really interesting! We would like to try this with a friend, would you have a link to download the database ? Thank you in advance

  • @gdparry2727
    @gdparry2727 11 місяців тому

    Imagine if it went back to only champions go in champions league like the early 90s.

  • @natashaabdu
    @natashaabdu 10 місяців тому

    0:07 Bro actually put Lincoln at elite

  • @jeffreyboggleton
    @jeffreyboggleton 11 місяців тому

    9:26 LET'S GO WE IN PREM BOIS

  • @thetrainhub390
    @thetrainhub390 11 місяців тому +1

    Is this a mod I can download on Steam?

  • @NaNa_waffler
    @NaNa_waffler 5 місяців тому

    Charlton in the prem and winning the conference league 🤩

  • @noah45675
    @noah45675 11 місяців тому

    would be more interesting if you focused on the prem/championship clubs

  • @frankshaw6243
    @frankshaw6243 11 місяців тому +1

    Can you do a vlog at chesterfield vs Matlock

  • @dillon2493
    @dillon2493 11 місяців тому

    newport were actually the first team from league 2 to be stuck in the national league

  • @justzaxx7150
    @justzaxx7150 11 місяців тому

    Love seeing Gills get some love in a video

    • @TomFM
      @TomFM  11 місяців тому

      They had a superb start! Wouldn't be surprised to see them promoted next season irl!

    • @justzaxx7150
      @justzaxx7150 11 місяців тому

      @@TomFM As a Gills fan I hope so too, hopefully we can face Lincoln again next season!

  • @jameswg13
    @jameswg13 11 місяців тому

    Wonder what this did for manager hirings and firings every season

  • @archieplays03
    @archieplays03 17 днів тому

    Can you do a tutorial to simulate 100 years into the future?

  • @LordWay
    @LordWay 11 місяців тому

    Relegating Exeter is something i'm taking personally 🤣

  • @benN303
    @benN303 5 місяців тому

    Hi what r u playing on

  • @emmadestcroix9079
    @emmadestcroix9079 11 місяців тому +1

    Up the blades

  • @joshlucas4867
    @joshlucas4867 4 місяці тому

    Think this is the first fm video that morecambe have actually been mentioned…ofc not for a good reason

  • @mrchigago
    @mrchigago 10 місяців тому

    as a preston fan it hurts to see blackpool and blackburn achieving European glory whilst we yoyo between league 1 and the championship 😂

  • @svokxz6435
    @svokxz6435 11 місяців тому

    Imagine this happened in real life.

  • @turts9359
    @turts9359 11 місяців тому

    Is this database available to play?

  • @99dndd
    @99dndd 11 місяців тому

    Last day of the season, 12th vs 13th. The winner will spend the next season 2 divisions higher than the losers.