This Trail Snapped My Carbon Frame
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Man, there's no dishonor in walking a segment you're not feeling regardless of ability. Two weeks ago at Angel Fire bike park I came up on a feature I've ridden dozens of times and just got that "nope, not today" feeling. I'd just forgotten how steep it really is and in a flash it made me nervous in a way I opted to ride around. It happens.
It's healthy to do that sometimes
Angel fire is sick
Can always come back and try it next time, done that many times
I agree, I try to do one thing I haven't done before each time I go riding and ride it a few times. I found with myself anyways that when I try to do too much in one day I freak myself out and the next time I ride it feels like I'm starting all over again.
Yup, same thing happened to me a few weeks ago at Mountain Creek. A drop I've done 100 times, just wasn't feeling it. Had that shakey, nervous feeling and wasn't riding confident for whatever reason. No shame in saving it for another day!
I'm surprised there wasn't a catastrophic failure after seeing that crack bro. Glad you made it out uninjured.
I never thought about it but I am taking the water bottle off next time I inspect the frame after a big impact.
@@modash1231 You can actually see the crack at 15:40 when he puts the bike down. Still a nasty one and happy to see Nick riding away from that
Seriously, I was shocked when he kept riding after that g put, but I’m assuming he didn’t identify the crack until after and that he’s not a psycho that rode a cracked frame down the double black.
Looking at the linkage the crack was in the part of the tube that would actually be in compression on that g out right? Makes sense the it would fail at that point with the water bottle mount becoming a stress riser. Really glad the frame survived till the bottom.
@@JohnBooth its just Evil things, i swear they dont stress test their frames based on how people actually ride their bikes.
Ive spoken to several Carbon Professionals in the MTB sector and they've all said Evils suspension design is highly flawed as the amount of stress on the downtube is concentrate in one area that carbon isnt designed to handle in that direct.
Look at the Enduro around the shock tunnel, Not designed to handle the twisting of a Trunnion shock.. and tada they use a trunnion and it cracks the frame.
Theres only a few Brands who got their shit together with carbon, a few botique brands, Trek, Canyon(their new stuff thats made by quest composites).
I just think Every carbon Brand needs to add and extra layer or two for strength (and attempt to remove stiffness) or look into Alloy coated Carbon designs. - i believe only one brand does this?
It is always great to see people NOT ride an obstacle because they are not feeling it. Too many times in the past I rode stuff on an off day and it ended badly. But I am older and " wiser " now . Good to show people we all have off days and that the mountain and trail will be there for us next time. Sucks about your frame , but it is impressive it held together the rest of the ride . Keep up the rad content !!
To be fair to the bike, it still rode out the rest of the trail with that amount of damage.
Or riding after that made it worse
Yeah. That’s impressive.
Evil bikes are absolute tanks, even when cracked I guess
@@subbot8077 Well if it would be a tank, the frame wouldnt be broken I guess...
Bike companies shake at the thought of Nick buying one of their bikes 😂🤙
Time to get him on a commencal.
@@zEndersShadowz i heard good things about them for us big boys. Ive been keeping my eyes on them 😎🤙 lets see what happens after my hightower
Really appreciate you speaking to the intimidation factor and owning (on video) that sometimes you’re “just not feeling it”. We’ve all been there in our own way. Dale had a similar memorable moment on 5th Horseman a year or so back where he contemplated for a long while and then just took a pass as you did. He scripted the comment “no shame”, and that’s 100% true. Stay safe and live to ride another day. 🤘Also, glad you made it through the rest of that ride with a frame cracked that badly. That could have had catastrophic consequences as there was a lot of gnarly terrain left to challenge.
Better to walk than go to the hospital. I have been staying in Whistler for 3 months, across from the hospital, and the number of heli evacs to Vancouver is amazing plus all the bike park trucks that transport people to the hospital is amazing. A walk here or there is much better than 3-6 months without any riding. Great video!!!
Glad to see advanced riders say “not today” to a feature. I took my first trip to a bike park this summer, went to kicking horse in Golden BC. There were some times on the trails up in the alpine I felt that fear on a feature, which was strange as I can’t say I’ve ever felt that before. I had a few “not today” moments, and wondered if that was normal after. Unfortunate that it happened on my first day at a bike park, but I know I have the ability to ride some of those features, just will end up being on another day.
Also, as I’m watching your videos it’s slowly convincing me to move from the prairies to BC.
Great to see someone post up admitting they aren't feeling it today.
Total respect for that 😉
I get it too on jumps I've done plenty of times previously. It used to get annoyed with myself at first . But just realise it's my gut instinct telling me something.
Plus their is always another day 😉
Nice to see you listen to your inner voice to not do certain things on a ride. Also has a lot to do with the people you ride with. A good group will not push you and then there are riders who will egg you on and that’s when bed things can happen. Thanks for sharing your video. They are always very entertaining 😃
Thanks Stan!
I hear you about warming up. A challenging trail for me that I’ve done previously will seem much harder and daunting if I haven’t ridden something well within my abilities first
This is such a great video! I always enjoy your content, your such a great rider. Keep uploading your awesome videos.
Evil, The Snappening
i have so muchrespect for this man. i love how he shows where he isnt feeling that confident just to show that not everyone just sends everything. such a humbleand well rounded man.
I'm the same, some days I feel good on the bike and hit everything and some days I walk a lot of features.
Nice profile pic, Have Heart's best album and some of the best album art in all of hardcore
Jeeeez that rear hub
Good on you for keeping it real and making smart calls! Dave is probably 160lbs soaking wet, floats over everything and can turn and stop on a dime. I'm way more impressed with 'bigger' riders challenging themselves with the things jockey sized riders can make look too easy at times. Subscribed!
3:50 of course there are "these days" ! And the reason why I subbed your channel back in the days, was when I watched you ride stunts and the north shore over and over again until you cleared them. That gave me the most realistic impressions of the gnarlyness and I loved it 🙌🏽
I for one appreciate you showing yourself being sensible. Hope the new bike works out for you.
I can’t even imagine how huge the gopro effect is on those trails … I only caught myself thinking “that doesn’t look THAT bad” a few times … 😳😳😳
Yeah thats some scary descents for sure.
The fact that some still look crazy really goes to show how tough of a trail it is
10000% agree. Also, massive crack in frame and still rides out on such steep technical descents. Commitment. Thank God for warranty
I love Dale's Channel also.
Thanks both guys
A few years ago a pal and I did some training. We said we wanted to be safe getting down stuff, any stuff. We spent 1/2 a day on a flat-ish piece of ground, learning techniques. Best £90 I've ever spent on 'mtbing'. Recommended.
Yeah, once you get "the fear", it is so tough to break through. It can come at weird times too. I was on a 5 day MTB trip last week. Feeling great, riding well, then on day 3, we were dropping in and it was very windy. The trail was narrow and steep at the top and I got shaken up by it. It really wasn't a big deal and I rode it smooth, but I couldn't get my head straight the rest of the ride. Walking easy features, forgetting everything I know. Other days, I'll have a scary crash but ride confident the rest of the day. Sometimes it just sneaks up on you, I guess
I’m my experience. If it looks steep on a GoPro it’s triple steep. And some of those drops looked vertical. So kudos to you guys and I’d love to ride that decent- for the challenge.
Love the fact that you put the walk around in the video, I still have trails were I got features that I can't ride yet, makes me feel better no matter what skill level we're at we're all always trying to level up. That being said man that one area where you had the problem that looks super steep even on the GoPro, and you know it's super steep because GoPro has that effect where it flattens everything out, so glad you didn't get injured man and awesome video.
I honestly cant wait to get a pair o Nobl wheels! Not having to true them all the time seems like a dream
For sure. I have the TR41.
Man I really appreciate you showing that you don't always ride every feature. I definitely have those days or those features that for whatever reason I can't wrap my head around.
While listening to this I am getting ready to leave for a race that I have to ride tomorrow. There is one feature that has me worried. What you said at 4:07 was just what I needed to hear.
If any trail was going to snap a frame that would be the one, what a steep janky tech beast!!
Thanks bud , I built this beast !
@@hobbes8737 hehe I like that you take pride in building a frame snapping trail
@@hobbes8737 did you build the drop at 17:10 just for giggles? You're a beast!
@@lamefart yea pretty much , built about 4 bridges on diesel wolf. Was easy , took only few hours per . Splitting log chunks that i cut with chainsaw . I built diesel wolf while on EI , so pretty much the govt funded bridges. Lol
@@hobbes8737 That's great hearing from you. Man you're a visionary for breaking a smile on riders' faces and some bones and frames as well. Hahaha!
Wait, the train gap, is it still there?
Man I wish we have EI as well.. Well, we're a poor country. 😅
Thank you for including that walking bit. I had a big crash on the sonic steeps and yesterday I had to walk sections because o was so freaked out.
Bro, after watching that whole thing, can we give it up for you for trying new and totally f***** up trails, and also whoever you're riding with didn't even have knee pads on, he is also the man. Like those trails are so gnarly.....
This trail looks so fun!
I can't believe you finished the trail with that crack holy shit lol 😆 and it made it threw too
Am glad you made and put up the video. Always great stuff.
I appreciate you leaving the clips in where you don't ride a section of the trail. We all have those days.
I like how you keep it real. With that being said, those trails are so tech and scary. Good job!
I’ve always liked your vids but special props for being real!!!
If you look close at about 12:05 and for a few seconds after that, you can see the crack, especially on the right side of the bike. Bummer it cracked, but impressive it held together the rest of the ride.
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Good for you Nick! No point in being a Hero if you're not feeling it....I think we all know the feeling...
Hey man, LOVE your videos! I’m glad you made it out ok!
The “Angry squirrel” brake sounds tell me how steep those trails are! Amazing 😀
im always taken back a little bit when i see people riding gnarly stuff like this without any protection other than a full face. i've said it before and ill say it again, no matter how good of a rider you are, you should ALWAYS wear atleast knee pads and elbow pads along with a helmet of course. to each their own but i'm sure they'll regret it when they crash and smack their knee on a rock
That’s ride was sick that’s so crazy you snapped your frame and rode the rest of the trail without knowing your frame was snapped
wow, pemberton trails are so steep and gnarly! poor bike, glad you could ride out safely...
Mate, I was just like you on slabs. Let's face it - we don't have too many on the shore to practice on. I almost had an "incident" on In and Out towards the bottom (you know where I mean), so then I did some research. Ended up finding RideHub in Squamish and took some slab lessons. Much better now. I like Dale's videos for sure, but I prefer yours as you are closer to my level - and you ride stuff I haven't yet. All the best.
Love the honest content. I've been struggling with the same thing at Big Sky. High consequence sections are tough to overcome mentally.
Nice Tails there VanCan.... love the rock rolls
I can't believe you rode after cracking the frame !
I was scared after you‘re shown crack🙈, because I thought the frame will break on further slabs but😮💨 it was ok.
Good luck and ride safe🤙🏼 Hopefully the next frame becomes better.
Man walking around a feature is always a good idea, gotta listen to those feelings and remember its about having fun and not crashing
Keep the faith ... class vid , hopefully next frame is the one.. 👍
Please get the propain spindrift!
Im glad you play it safe when your nervous. Know your limit or else you’ll end up paralyzed. So many times I let the pressure get to me and I would just send it knowing I was going to Die and now my body really hates me.lol Good job on the trail!
I still blame Dale. "Well Andrew did it." LOL
I blame Andrew, even though he wasn't there!
Sorry about the bike. What a trail!! I feel like Dale is the anti-flow person. Very very techie trails. Love your videos on flow trails.
I broke a Ventana El Saltamontes aluminum frame in same place on down tube and under the same conditions about 15 years ago. Huge pop at bottom of g out. They replaced frame no questions. I sold it immediately upon arrival. Back then when a frame broke you lost all shifting too because large parts of the cable didnt have housing.
How can anyone give this the thumbs down... This was captivating to watch... Two thumbs up from me... Awesome!
How many frames can you snap? VanCan: yes
That frame crack is definitely due to weakness along the downtube water cage mount. Either design flaw or over torqued bolts at that point. Get a warranty replacement, that's design not crash damage.
3:50 I think this is the way it should be, right. I know myself on bad days. Either I didn´t pay too much attention to my nutrition and my energy runs low, or I´m too drained out from the past days of riding. Sometimes my head just says no too. All three are very good reasons to skip a feature and safe it for another day. Thats keeping the bills low, the ego stable, and the stoke high. So far my theory^^
So my guess is that the frame started cracking with that rock roll with a brupt end but it was unnoticeable and as he rode the gnarly chunky rough trail the crack got bigger and bigger until it went half way across down tube, if you did not notice it later in the car park and just went on to ride the next trail we would have had to watch a catastrophe and if you were able to notice the crack after the rock roll you would not have rode the bike down the trail but walked it to bottom cause you love your bikes, don't you??
you can see the crack at 12:05 especially turning brightness up and lowering contrast (yt addon) and it looks pretty major there already.
So happy you made out alive!
Incredible that it kept going after that crack.
I think its cool that you shared the not so great sections of your ride
The min he stopped to explain it was the min I would have just started walking past him with my bike on my way down. Kudos.
nice ride. get some sticky tires like a mich dh34...sticky.
Holy Moly that is steep !!
You can actually make out the crack at 15:40 when you put the bike down. Glad this went as smooth as it did with the crack already. But it goes to show: carbon is way more sturdy than some people make it out to be.
PS: Shout out to Pete and Judy for being your Patrons :D Family support is the best.
I've walked features that I rode several times successfully. But on one particular day, I just didn't feel it. Same way with whitewater kayaking - some days I just don't feel it so i portage a rapid that I ran just a few weeks earlier. Beer taste just as good.
Aw snap your bike needed a break
17:03 those brakes sound primo
that trail was a carbon bike destroyer hahaha
I often find myself not confident on trails I ride all the time, even when I've done bigger things. When you're not feeling it you're not feeling it.
those trps look sick!
Guys i have a question.
I never ran tubeless, when do you decide to get a new tire? Like should you replace it after 1 puncture or it can take a couple, or it depends on how bad it is?
maybe you will try the norco range for the new bike day
Smart. Release the video way after getting a warranty frame 👌hehe
His mate has got to get some knee pads on
The fact that u kept riding those gnarly trails with a broken frame is awesome
Im curious as to why your brakes make that slight squeal noise that is like mice that vary wildly in pitch, its identical to the sound my brakes make. What causes it?
The Evil breaker 😆 Are you already on your new frame or have you been switching to another bike e.g. the Sight?
Anyway, great trip and keep up that good work 🤙
Didn't he already buy the Norco?
@@Drunken_Sailor1 no, he got his new frame
@12:26 Bob from the movie La Bamba "It's not my first or my last..." Someday a Santa Cruz frame might be in the future Van Can video.
Does anyone know why his front brake line goes through the top cap/steer tube
“We just warmed up on a double black”
Hahaha
This is some nasty riding man 🤘
Nothing wrong with coming back to a feature i can relate when looking at something a little too long its time to move on. That is nuts that that frame snapped like that. This is my mtb channel my main one is ononewheel7.
Was supprise ur still alive riding that cracked dt
I see a lot of frames damaged because there was a hole drilled for bottle cage riv-nuts. Manufactures should and often dont re-enforce the week spot they create when fitting a cage mounting!
I live by the rule there's no shame in walking. Live to ride another day :)
4 minutes in and I’m so glad that you didn’t edit out the walk around.
The trail I ride every week i use to be so scared of every feature, but after a year of riding 1-2 times a week I don't even blink an eye now
How was the Warrenty process? I am thinking about getting a following for my XC bike, but I’m curious how easy it was to get another frame. Any thoughts?
Super easy. Shop did everything and had the new triangle in a week.
Its well known GoPro's lens effect the depth perception of the viewer of how steep things are...but when the GoPro makes it look completely vertical it must be insane lol
Your bike got SO noisy after that crack. I'm sure that crack would have propagated from the rest of the trail so the initial crack wouldn't have been that large.
This bummed me out. I know that if you lose sight of roll down that it's insanely steep. Pretty rad that a cracked downtube was able to handle a bunch more G outs and chunder without really giving away.
That was very lucky 😂
That's why I have so many bruises from MTB, I didn't have the common sense like you to stop when I know I can't do something.
Dude props to evil bikes for making a bike that rode out of that trail with a crack that went around half the frame!!
At the moment of impact the crack wasnt that big
Worst part about the frame split is waiting for a new one.. uff
how in the name of all that's holy did you do that
not riding a feature because you dont feel confident enough is usually a good thing being silly and taking risks might be fun but forcing it despite having a bad feeling about it is just ending in insuries that in turn further reduce confidence.
Edit: Please for those seeing this .. Keep in mind that if you are riding alone (which btw you should avoid at all cost) and your frame breaks like here.. please don't continue riding. And if you decide against healthy intuition just make sure people know where to search for you in case something happens
Very nice nature